This interview is another great example of how creepily NORMAL most serial killers and dangerous people look.

The fact that we know that Nico is a cannibal but you didn't at the time of interview adds more layers to how wild this is

I can't believe the entire video is Aki talking to a cannibal, about another cannibal, without realizing she was talking to a cannibal. I have so many questions

it's so crazy to me that this man got so much attention and recognition in Japan and didn't end up in prison like he should have.

Nico being a cannibal and publishing a cannibalism cook book under the guise of innocently being “fascinated” by it is so incredibly scary

It's crazy that we're just watching an interview of Aki talking to an actual cannibal and murderer without her knowing it, pretty scary..

Ok so I searched up Nico and read quite some horrendous stuff, this man is just as crazy as isegawa himself. He also killed a person in Paris and ate them. He has an extensive history of digging up corpses and eating them raw. This whole interview he acted just like a normal person. It’s crazy that killers just look and act like normal people and we can’t tell at all yikes…😰

How ironic that Nico, a serial killer, saying he doesnt have empathy for serial killers because they're manipulative. The irony.

I think the fact that Nico has stated some of his fascination with cannibalism started because of all the news he saw in France as a kid about Sagawa is the most disturbing part of all of this.

it is scary to think that a loophole in the justice system allowed a murderer to roam free without punishment or a sentence.

Please revisit Nicolas Claux. He himself is not only a cannibal but a killer, and the fact he sells 'authentic' serial killer possessions I think warrants a video on

Nico apparently he served 12 years in prison and has 6 counts of grave robberies. He also goes by "The Vampire of Paris" i find it very creepy that he's so fascinated by cannibals and felons when clearly he is one too, that shows how more messed up his fascination is because it's not just because of curiosity, its also cause hes exactly like these people.

This guy was such a creep, even to mock the dead by making a manga and books about his experience in killing and eating her. What goes through that type of mind?

It’s really interesting hearing a cannibal talking about another cannibal ..!

That sudden cut, to explain who Nico was before the interview, got me spook ngl, cause the sudden stop was eerie as hell, Amazing video though nonetheless.

Good Lord I just wiki-ed Nico and all I can say is thank GOD that Aki didn't have a face-to-face with Nico. I don't know if he's changed or not but what he did in the past, that man should NOT be walking free.

Not shaming anyone, but people in the comments saying it's so wild that Nico turned out to be a cannibal too when he "seemed and acted so normal" is driving me crazy. My guys in what fucking world is selling "serial killer memorabilia" normal. Anyone that sells serial killer belongings and to make it better calls them "collectibles" can't possibly be normal or sane or respectful. It takes an insane lack of empathy to profit out off shit that was involved in someones horrible death. No sane, genuinely empathetic, trustworthy human would be interested in being near a killers belongings, ones that were even directly connected to the crimes, with the interest of gathering them as "collectibles" to sell. The fact that anyone could be introduced to this guy with that image and description of their website and activities, and not get alarms blasting in their brain is fucking concerning as shit to me. I hope to god you all get better at recognizing red flags

Just looked this guy up, I would never in a million years be able to guess whatever the hell he has done. It's crazy how normal all these people look.

Aki, seriously. You might want to vet or research who you’re gonna interview in the future. Be careful down this road.

It does gives chills knowing you're interviewing a cannibal about an other cannibal. Aki going in real deep.

The way he speaks on having no empathy for serial killers while being one himself… Chilling. I’d also like to add that when he offered to send Aki a copy of that book I felt my stomach sink. Looked up some information on him and I just have to say… The way I would cut all contact immediately 💀

I love how this channel went from, "What's in the box!!?" to true crime in only a few years.

Notice how, even tho japan doesnt have that much of a crime rate, the crimes that do happen there are the most bizarre.

When the cannibalistic killer gets more attention and freedom than the innocent woman he murdered, is absolutely gut-wrenching. The only thing about the case that brought me some joy is Issei died of pneumonia, won’t miss him.

Justice was not served. Sagawa was essentially living his best life. I'd be disgusted if I was Renee's family seeing him live so carefree, and profit after taking her life.

It's always so unsettling to see murderers look and act completely normal. Like, I dont blame Aki for not knowing. I wouldn't have known just from this conversation. I can't imagine the mental impact of finding out afterward.

My husband just peeked over my shoulder to watch the video with me, I just finished telling him the story. He is a tough guy but even he was shook. Aki... I have been a fan of yours for a few years. I know that your mental health took a hit after finding out that his man is also a killer and a cannibal. Please take care. Much love from montreal!

The fact that Nico has everything. Literally everything, from famous killers and cannibals.. turned my stomach upside down.. but when I looked onto his case.. It made it even worse.. Its ironic the way he basically laughs and makes it seem he is just "interested" and the persona he put was a great act.. But who am I to judge maybe he did change.. but I wouldn't be so sure.. Anyways great video.. Tho I'm now concerned about your safety.. I hope he doesn't bother you or wants to meet up.. Stay safe.. And keep up the good work..

13:40 the fact that the magazine owner went to jail and sagawa didn't is INSANE

Wow absolutely terrifying😮 I think cannibalism is where I draw the line of creepiness. It's actually scary to know Aki talked to a cannibal without knowing because I'm sure she wouldn't have interviewed him.

I swear when Aki said that she didn’t realize she was talking to a cannibal about another cannibal about cannibalism that just sank my stomach.

Maybe a 🚩 red flag 🚩 Nico said he wanted to encourage Sagawa’s craziness because he “found it funny.” Right after Sahara told Nico he wanted to be EATEN by him and his gf. Maybe it’s just me but I don’t want to encourage a cannibal killer who is roaming free!?!

This was very very disturbing vibes. I hope you can focus more on victims. They are the ones who really deserve the spotlight and include helplines. Mental health is real everyone should do therapy and journal cause clearly it was something he was very fixated on including tried to get them to eat him and meet... and there seemed to be a cannibal underground inner circle to other cannibals is Shocking…But excited to see what you do in the future!

I hate the fact that Japanese entertainment industry monetary supported Sagawa by putting him in a TV program. I was so shocked to find him in a show with Bakusho-mondai, a well known comedian duo (Now I want to cancel them). A monster like Sagawa should have been socially/ mentally more punished. He definitely should have been isolated from society, instead of getting attention from the media, which I think is totally insane.

“Was there ever a time you thought maybe you shouldn’t continue talking to this cannibal?” “Yeah he started asking for money 😒”

My skin is crawling. 😰 I know some animals practice cannibalism, but it's so eerie and disturbing when humans do it. Rip Renée.

oh my god Aki are you okay?? im so glad Joey is in close proximity to you and you seem to have a good support system. the video is amazing but im just concerned how you felt afterwards ;;

I would be suspicious about anyone who collects serial killers’ belongings. Major red flags that something is not right. Nico is a cannibal, and it’s not at all a surprise. Anyone as invested in collecting + selling serial killer memorabilia as Nico is cannot be a sane, typical person. That is not just being “a huge fan of True Crime” or whatever.

"Do you guys want to eat me?" Makes so much more sense knowing hes a cannibal too 12:32

This is absolutely crazy, especially with the fact that Issei Sagawa was able to live a life of freedom after murdering and eating Reneé. It's mind-boggling...I have a lot of questions. The fact that Aki didn't know that Nico is a cannibal until AFTER the interview...it gives me chills.

The fact that aki talked to a cannibal without knowing, but let us know beforehand, made this person instantly scary. thinking about the fact that he basically did similar things that were talked about and shown to aki and us...and that he liked to do those things and most likely wanted to collect those things because he probably gets off on those...and that he was most likely "inspired" to do the things that he ended up doing because of sagawa...thinking about the fact that the mouth we saw talking on camera ate another human being- I actually became sick to my stomach and almost threw up at the end of that video. That person is so damn scary. Humans are scary because they can appear normal and simply have interests like these because we are simply curious af and even want to know about morbid things. I've looked up "how long does a corpse stay in rigor mortis" but because i was genuinely curious and need that info for a manga ive always wanted to make (where the characters die but eventually they reawaken as if they had never died....kinda similar to the manga Ajin (because i have been inspired by it) but with actual real life science and facts stretched to their limits but in the end still being science fiction.) But then hearing about what that one human has done is honestly the scariest shit ever. It's reminding me of that one time where the dog of my sister's friend was so cute and nice to me. And then he chased a cat and killed it on the spot the next day. That dog bit that cat's head off. Literally. Because a friend, of my sister's friend, didn't believe that the dog had to be kept on the leash at all times when walking outside, because he will kill other animals no matter the size otherwise. I was terrified of that dog from that point on. I was just a 12 year old. He couldve done the same to me in a blink of an eye. (but in that case the dog simply had a hunting instinct. Different to the actions of a human that kills other humans.) Imagine talking to someone briefly on one day, and then the next day you see him on the news because he killed a person and ate their face or something. And then thinking about....that victim couldve easily been me....or someone i know or am related to. Or worse you then get to know that a missing family member has been killed by that person you talked to yesterday. And the fact that exactly that has happened and still happens over and over again is so sick. Humans are fascinating but god damn some of them are so damn sick. And need help.

I had no idea he passed away until just now so I was surprised to see the comments talking about him in the past tense. Even aside from the obvious justice unserved, this is one of the most bizarre stories I’ve ever heard. Nico coming into the picture just increases the bizarrerie (which is coincidentally the French word for it). You could say bizarre over a thousand times about this story and it wouldn’t be enough.

This whole video is unsettling, especially the interview. I am glad for yhe post editing Aki letting us know that Nico is a cannibal. And it is scary to think about.

It was an.... interesting video to say the least, Aki. I commend the grind n the commitment but i do wish there was more discussion from the victim n her family's perspective. I just can't help but feel like her existence being diminished n reduced to some kind of prop to a deranged lunatic is so unnerving n despicable. It's tragic to think that's all she's known for n never even received justice for it.

Ever since I was a child and got into anime/manga, I constantly asked my mother to take me to Japan and she would joke that there are cannibals who will eat you to get me to stop asking. I only later learned she was referring to this case :o

I’m so conflicted with this video. On one hand knowing nico is an actual convicted cannibal, I don’t like the promotion and given platform of him. Despite that, he seems so well informed into the topic of cannibalism and serial killers it’s hard to look away or not pay attention to him and he made this video very informative. Like some of the personal letters and arts he received is only available because of interviews like these. It’s like a double edged sword.

He didn't find it "funny" that he offered for him and his gf to eat him. If he had the opportunity where he could do it without consequences he would have. He is and was fascinated by him bc they are one in the same no matter how he lies to act like he's special and a "different" kind of cannibal and m*rderer. His intent is transparent (to me) in how he fails to try and distance himself and talk sh*t about him like the "but I'm not like that." Its no surprise that he has done the same thing and enjoys being in touch with others like him, feel a connection and normalize his own sadistic behavior in his mind. I see that he is delighted by all of this. He's creep who should be behind bars.

This video made me think that there are two types of people who like horror and murderers: 1. those who feel identified and attracted to the murderers, really, to a pint of admiration 2. Those of us who are simply curious, like stories and the psychology behind those stories Now it makes me wonder how fine that line is between the two personalities. 😮 Edit: Aki!!! The man had a cannibal recipe book, that gives clues, WTF!!

The fact that she was talking to a serial killer/cannibal about a serial killer and a cannibal is crazy🫣

Aki, hun, I enjoy your content, but please remember to stay safe.

I’ve watched an interview with a serial killer before in my psychology class. In that interview he was also calm when talking to the interviewer. It was the interview with Ted Bundy before his execution. It’s very chilling how calm and conversational Nico is in the interview.

“Wow you would never tell this guy is awful.” He sells REAL items from serial killers??? That’s clear idolization and he literally has so much true crime shit and a zodiac killer mini figure ??

I think I can speak for everyone when I say cannibalism is disturbing.

Moral of the last half of the story...you never know if you're talking to a serial killer.

Listening to that interview with context has given me this strange sense of dread. Like that was a seemingly normal person and I wouldn't have known otherwise. That he ate somebody... Another human being. An it's strangely humbling, most of us think we'll never meet someone like that. Or that somehow we'd know to stay away. But the reality is we don't. Even the way he talked about it seemed like was just a outsider, like us reading and watching, not understanding. But he does understand, he's experienced it, done it. An honestly I'm speechless.

He says if you want to understand the psychology of killers you have to dig deep but he's one himself so I don't think he had to dig too far

i know its like 7 months old and all but still hoping Aki doing okay after this whole experience

The weirdest part of the interview is him saying that his girlfriend was scared of Sagawa because he’s a cannibal and knows where they life. But she is actually living and dating a cannibal.

The way he talks about Sagawa in a way that suggests he’s horrified by his actions, yet has such a horrific history himself is. Very scary. Just goes to show that those types of people are truly monsters amongst us.

I know you mentioned doing this episode took a real toll on you but thank you for doing it for us. I love your true crime episodes and I hope you keep doing them in the future. But do take care of yourself. Lots of love from South Africa ❤ 🇿🇦

Aki not knowing who Nico was or looking him up at all before this is mind blowing... Bless you lol, all jokes aside great interview.

I wish some people did not criticize Aki for not knowing this guy is also a cannibal and serial killer, because I didn't (okay, just looked him up, and realize I do know of him, not by his actual name, but by his press name; see the Murderpedia entry on him). I've been into true crime and serial killers for a long time, ever since I was affected by the ones that were active in our state and general area when I was growing up (Night Stalker, Calveras County killers, and Yosemite Park killer). I'm obviously more familiar with serial killers, even some lesser-known ones, from the US, and it's only with the accessibility of information with the internet that I'm aware of the ones in the world. I do think we should be grateful that she has brought attention about this guy, not to glorify him, but to be aware that this world and people like this exist freely in society, and to watch out for it. What kind of world allows people to profit off of tragic killings of this nature, right? If you hear someone talking about these things in the same way as this guy does, take it as a lesson in paying attention to red flags about people. He is very casual talking about these things, he has a huge collection of things he is rather proud of. I'm into information about serial killers and their motives, but I would be horrified to have anything belonging to them, have any correspondence with them, or any merch associated with them. People, particularly law enforcement, who have had to interview serial killers have to be very professional and stoical, as the intelligent ones will take any little bit of info that is mistakenly divulged. I'm personally more worried for Aki, as a public YT personality who did this interview, more than anything else. And as much as I am a proponent of getting people with mental health issues the help they need, if one's issues are the kind that makes you harm or eliminate the overall health and lives of multiple people for whatever reason, then I have no sympathy.

Finally you made a video about it! I haven’t watched it yet but being from France, I felt so mad knowing that the Japanese justice didn’t do anything as if a foreigner’s life meant nothing. Same thing happened with the case of the missing french woman in Japan in 2018 (most likely murdered) where the local police gave little to no cooperation. That’s crazy and really disheartening…

My ex collected art from serial killers, had a few of Sagawa's art pieces and I think a letter? NICO AND I SPOKE VIA VIDEO CHAT AND I NEVER NEW HE WAS A CANNIBAL?! I remember saying to my partner that he creeped me out, that his eyes were so cold. I felt uncomfortable and somewhat scared, I even got up in the middle of the call for a bit because I did not like him at all. My partner thought I was being rude, but I just couldn't shake the horrible feeling I had. I found out while watching this and I'm even MORE creeped out. Spooky side story: I used to have vivid and graphic nightmares when I started sleeping over my partners house, I blessed some of the art and sealed them in blessed frames, it wasn't until I did that and he got rid of a large collection of the art did the nightmares stop. He had a piece from "the Night Stalker" that I hated, and I saw a figure standing in the area near it. I begged him to sell that piece, and he thankfully did. He stopped collecting that stuff early into our relationship, thankfully. Someone in my family was murdered by a serial killer and he saw how it effected me and my family.

the way my jaw dropped when you said Nico was also a cannibal

Looked up Nico's crimes while watching, he was known as "The Vampire of Paris". It does seem like there were serious mental health considerations at play according to court psychiatrists, but he still committed some wild criminal acts.

seriously one of the most enraging and infuriating cases ive ever heard of

How is it even possible that your interview partner is... well... free as well as Sagawa was?! :O

Aki: Have you gain some kind of empathy? Nico: No. You have to understand they are extremely manupulative. YOU DON'T SAY.

Nico being what he is & how people frame his behavior as so normal. The thing people need to understand outwardly weird people aren't what you need to fear or avoid. We're actually safer to be around than normal people. Normal is hiding stuff about yourself, being insincere, and conforming to such a degree nobody expects that stuff of you. - Weird people, by and large, aren't the creepy monstrous threats people say we are. We're sincere because we have nothing to hide.

Fantastic video Aki! And great interview. I am a big fan of true crime and this one has always been so interesting, knowing the way he got to go free and turn himself into a celebrity of curiosity.

About a year ago an Italian KZfaqr, Bugalalla, interviewed him and made a video about his life and crime

The fact you spoke with a cannibal without knowing makes my stomach turn

@akidearest Ed Gein influenced much of the horror slasher movies from the 70's/80's and is worth a read since you like true crime. He was not just a cannibal, but would use human parts and skin to make furniture, wind chimes, lamp shades and clothes ect... They have some good documentaries online. Also Andrei Chikatilo was a really messed up serial killer that had a victim count in the low 50s. There was an made for HBO movie called "Citizen X" that is based off of his crimes and capture that is a decent movie, though if you read about the real events they are much worse than the movie shows. I really enjoy your true crime series because you manage to remain objective with the info, but still can show your disdain of these monsters.

I'm a long-time subscriber from the Netherlands, but I didn't knew about this case as it happened before I was born and for some reason most of the true crime stuff I find on KZfaq covers either interesting foreign cultures like Japan or English speaking countries so I don't know a lot about non-English European cases.

I don’t have a sensitive stomach but man this whole thing turned my guts upside down. People are so scary.

Aki, how were you able to prepare for this video without feeling like you need therapy for what you learnt when finding out what he did 😭

I love listening to you talk about this kinda stuff ❤️

Aki talking to an cannibal about an cannibal is crazy

Oh my gosh when you google the name of the guy… this just became an insight into another serial killer WTF 😮

6:09 LMAO IM SUPRISED THAT ONE OF JAKE WEBBER’S VIDEO WOULD TAKE PLACE IN A TYPE OF VIDEO LIKE THIS 😭

Considering Nico is also a cannibal, you can think how much upset he must have felt for aki asking questions about another cannibal, without ever giving any thought or recognition to him (she didn't know he was one at the time, but he also didn't know that) for his actions. If I was Aki, I would get scared thinking I might have hurt his pride as a cannibal (that is, if nico is as proud as sagawa about his crimes) That being said, the thought of Aki interviewing a guy who's pretty much the same as sagawa without even knowing that really creeps me out. It shows that we have no idea that someone very close to us could also be a cannibal

The police when they need to search akis house : 😢💀🤨

Somehow I feel like Aki doesn't do enough research on the topics she discuss. I love true crime, which is why I still watched it and I like Aki but someone really has to proofcheck her research. It feels kind of disappointing that she had a chance to talk to an actual killer/cannibal and criminal because of the position she's in but can't do a quick background check on the person she's interviewing. This isn't the only time she's made errors while investigating (this is the second time she's made an error about this particular case). I hope she does due diligence next time to give more respect to the victims and people involved. I get it is for entertainment and I was entertained but still a little bit of care goes a long way.

The cut off before the interview scared the living shit outta me💀

I wonder how Aki felt after the interview when she found out who she was talking to

this video just randomly played after another one and oh my god i heard akidearest and i gasped 😭 i remember i watched you a lot when i was little, love your content 🩷🩷

didn’t know who nicolas claux was and look into his case and wow that was disturbing

during the call u said so many of the serious stuff about sagawa but u just had to add him cutely doing sports i can't

Keep up the great work and videos Aki

I'm so fucking mad that he's dead. He got away with it.

This is honestly so unnerving to watch, but so interesting. I'm sure Aki would have rather not know she was talking to a cannibal or else we wouldn't be able to see this type of content. i feel she would be so scared to even go through with it. How normal he is and how his eyes light up talking about different people who were cannibals. It gave me chills. Also...did his girlfriend know he was a cannibal? And Aki please be safe!

Aki: “I don’t know how u sleep at night dude..” Cannibal: 😀

Nico’s store is called “Serial Pleasures”. The only chance he wasn’t himself a killer/cannibal was if he hadn’t worked up the courage yet, as he clearly fetishizes this stuff. Not remotely surprised.

"Some of us dig a little bit deeper" In more than one way too.

insert [* chuckles * "i'm in danger!"] meme seriously though, full stop. so glad this was not a meet up in person.

Just imagining if you did get back intouch with this guy again after this video. "Why didn't you say you were also a cannibal??" "Well, you never asked"

I find the psychology behind cannibalism weirdly fascinating, but equally disturbing and frightening. The interview was really interesting.

maybe instead of eating people, he should have spent that time improving his illustration skills

Absolutely amazing interview, very interesting, knowledgable individual