The difference between the stealthy legion can be summed up as Raven guard: you dont see them and you dont know they're there Night Lords: you dont see them but you KNOW they're there Alpha legion: you see them but you dont know they're there

My favorite Alpha Legion story. Probably fake but still, awesome. A group of people were playing 40k rpg. They had a drop in who didnt know the game so they so they played a just for fun game. The guy could pick any group of space marines. Guy said he hear of alpha legion,, they wear blue right? GM said no that's ultra marines.Player insisted they seemed cool, could he play alpha legion. Fun game so ok. Mission involved going underground to get something. New guy wants to put a bomb in the tunnel just in case they need to flee and collapse the tunnel. Ok. Seems a little over cautious but new player involvement is good. Dm tells new player to write it down. He does and puts the note aside. Blah blah blah. They get the thing and are leaving. One player (not the new guy) falls behind a bit and OHNO! The player is a traitor! Traitor holds up the others, makes them throw their guns down and put the thing they got on the ground and back away. The group does. As the traitor is walking to get the item, the new player says 'he is standing in the section of tunnel where the bomb was set. how long have we been on this mission?' Dm, I dont know 40 mins Player tells the dm to look at the note he put aside when he planted the bomb. Dm picks up the note and written on. It says 'set explosive at 40 mins' Bomb goes off killing the traitor. Everyone stares at the new player. New guy "I am Alpharius"

While quite large compared to regular humans, Alpharius Omegon was small in comparison to his fellow primarchs. That is to say, compared to his brothers they are just a little guy

headcannon: Alpharius is alive but nobody believes him because they are all just like, "yeah man me too, we are all Alpharius." "No you fool, I'M ALPHARIUS." "... yeah sure man, you're Alpharius"

Little Trivia: Back during WWII, the UK Security Service, a.k.a. MI5, made a counter-espionage and deception operation against the Nazis where they captured Nazi agents, either real or fake, and spread disinformation to their controllers. The name of this operation? The Double-Cross System or the XX System. This operation is overseen by a committee, the Twenty committee, because the operation's name can also be read as the Roman numeral for twenty. Just in case you ever wonder where GW got the idea for the Twentieth Legion's whole schtick.

In DK's defense "he cares not from where the blood flows" matches the quote "chaos demands blood, yours or theirs," perfectly.

One of my favorite stories is where an arbites is hunting alpha legion sleeper cells, but he finds out he himself is a sleeper agent

The end of Shi's message should've been " see you later BATTLE BROTHERS - said a loyal space marine leaving a room full of undercover alpha legioners"

Bare in mind that Alpharius learned how to hide his primarch aure with Malcador and Omegon did not, and every time Rogal "felt" Alpharius, he only felt one primarch in the room, not two.

"But we already did an Alpha Legion episode!" "That's the secret. EVERY episode is an Alpha Legion episode."

Remember kids, the real Alpharius is the friends we made along the way.

Perturabo: "God is CRINGE." Lorgar: "God is BASED."

Fun Fact: Even the Night Lords and Konrad Curze were put off by The Alpha Legion. Yes, The Night Haunter himself called out their tactics and called them twisted.

Alpha Legion is the embodiment of living in someone's head rent free

I'm surprised they didn't talk about the Sons of the Hydra, the Alpha Legion warband that still consider themselves loyal to the Imperium.

From everything that I’ve read, the Alpha Legion treats it’s baseline human agents well and will even launch assaults to break them out of captivity.

"I'm playing both sides, so that way I always come out on top." -Unnamed Alpha Legion Legionaire

Alpha Legion tactics 101 1. paint a single model of every 40k faction there is (just a generic troop, no fancy stuff) 2. secretly slip him into your opponents army when he is not looking 3. once your model is discovered or once the game is over reveal to your opponent that that model was a double agent 4. claim strategic victory (even if you lost)

The four guardsmen of the apocalypse sounds like an incredible idea for a unit.

The best part about Alpha legion is anyone and everyone could be alpha legion. I'm convinced all of 40k lore is Alpharius training and testing against Alpharius in case a threat does appear, then the Tyranids show up

"We are alpharius, you cannot win" "We are sanguinius" Serpent starts sweating nervously

It has been said that the secret third one, Sigmarius, still resides on Sigma-Ulstari, on the grindset to this day...

I am so sorry, I don't want to be the actually guy, but I don't think this will count as "actually," more trivia if anything. Two things, first, the super clean death of Alpharius, and the reaction of the alpha legion is actually the strongest evidence that it wasn't Alpharius that was killed, but instead Omegon or a random Marine. Same for Rogal Dorn being alive, every time a primarch is killed for good and certain like with Horus, Sanguinius, Konrad Curze, or Ferus Manus, the psychic impact it has on the legion is crushing, and forces them to suddenly pivot toward their unsavory habits as a whole. The death of Sanguinius had the Black Rage become more common, Ferus Manus's death cause the Iron Hands to start hacking off limbs, less because they were injured, and more because of a type of Body Dysmorphia etc. No repercussions happened when Alpharius or Dorn died. 2nd, and this is more of a funny little story, but the meme of Alpha Legion being Loyalists was addressed by GW with a story of one Alpha Legionnaire that thinks he's still loyal to the imperium.

"You roll a six and any vehicle explodes" So you're telling me that Chaos has Space Slavs, Space Egyptians, Space Catholics and now the Space IRA in the Alpha legion?

a funny point for the alpha legion is that a good sized chunk of the legion was lead by........ a shard of the Deceiver disguised as what they all thought was Omegon and near the galactic core were slowly building anti warp pylons from The Sons of the Hydra novel

I like to imagine the emperor just knew full well, the Alpha Legion was putting heads in the fridge of the high Lords, and approved of it

The recent Horus Heresy 2.0 has made Alpha Legion the ultimate troll army. Their army wide ability is that whenever you want to shoot, charge or do a reaction to an Alpha Legion unit they count as being 2" farther away than they actually are. That means if night fighting is active they can stand at 23" away and shoot but you can't shoot back, if they are more than 10" away you cannot charge them and most reactions require the reacting unit to be within 12" and there are some pretty powerful reactions that let you shoot, charge, give everyone a cover save, make one dude into a sacrifice that just absorbs all the shots etc. meaning you can deny a lot of defensive power with careful positioning. I'm expecting to see a big explosion in HH Alpha Legion players in the near future. Well that and Exodus and Armillus Dynat exist.

My general assumption is Alpharius is actually loyal, but most of the Alpha Legion have no idea whose side they are even on

" I have never seen the alpha legion played on the tabletop" that's how you know they are a good alpha legion player

finally a loyal traitor Legion

"The voice actor sounds so familiar!" It's Scott McNeil, he was the original voice of Piccolo in the first Dragon Ball Z dub (before Funimation's in-house studio took over) and has done a TON of voice acting all over the place.

There's a fairly common fan theory that though the majority of the Alpha Legion turned traitor, they're unwittingly doing the work of loyalists. The fan theory goes that Alpharius turned traitor, but Omegon stayed loyal(maybe it's the other way around, maybe it's both, maybe it's neither). After Alpharius was killed at the Battle of Pluto by Rogal Dorn, Omegon took full command of the legion and began secretly waging war on the traitors. Many people point to the Alpha Legion's actions on Vraks and other battles where they intentionally drew the attention of the Imperium to crush an out of control cult or other chaotic shenaniganeries or separatists in position to cause a whole lot of damage that the vast nightmare bureaucracy of the Imperium would normally be sluggish to respond to, or even skip over entirely.

Everyone misses that fact that I think there's a good mix of loyal and non loyal Legonaires, almost 50/50 they're all about black ops and espionage a solid amount if their agents may have been soo deep in may have been completely unaware of which side they were on in the heresy

"First Heretic- Its about Logar..." Argel Tal "....... Is it really?"

Alpha Legion is extremely popular in 30k because they dont try to force Chaos themes on them, especially when it makes no sense giving the history and tactics of the legion. Heres the plan to make them cooler in 40k: Get rid of all the Daemon engines, let them steal the cool new toys of loyalists like Primaris marines and repulser tanks, Let them take Imperial allied detachments who they deceived and used as meat shields, let them plant explosives before the battle that their opponents trip over, let them use the opponents units to shoot on each other because they sprung a trap or have agents within, give them sniper and scout characters to pick off named characters, let them be impossible to decapitate and have whole HQ units count as warlords, Let them infiltrate and scout or force your opponent to deploy in ways they dont want to...

Those 4 guardsmen were trained by Sly Marbo. They may not be as tough or effective as Sly, but those 4 guardsmen have become legends in their own right.

I'm happy you guys did a full episode on the Alpha Legion. My favorite Space Marine chapter because they use so many real world equivalents in how they operate but of course like anything in 40K is racked up to 20. Hydra Dominatus.

"A harrowing is coming, but first let's maim them!" - Armillus Dynat, Horus Heresy: Legions

How to play alphalegion: Bring atmost 5 of every unit for every faction Eg: ultramarines If fighting against ultramarines put 5 ultramarines in ur army

The Alpharius book really made me like the Alpha Legion, they became my favorite 'Traitor' Legion.

I often like to imagine that anytime GamesWorkshop retcons something, it's just the Imperium finally fixing files that alpha legion recruits changed just to prove themselves.

Remember Kids! Never forget your METAL BAWKES! But my view of the Legion is that there is a warband loyal to Omegon(who is the alive one) who are still loyal to the Imperium while the rest are fooled to help the Imperium or are independent of the Legion as a whole and are doing their own thing while Omegon leads his Omega Legion to help the Imperium from the shadows.

Ok so am I the only one who thought that when they found the heads in the freezer the implication is the bodies were sent back and an infiltrator has been feeding the bodies to the high lords and the heads were left as proof.

I am so shocked they didn't include the Alpha Legion guy who got hunted by Asdrubale Vect from the Drukhari.

My guess is that the Alpha Legion has only one goal: end the emperium war by any means necessary. That means dealing with chaos, emperium and xenos at the same time, everything goes. No sacrifice, tragedy nor subterfuge is out of limits. Why? Malcador and the Emperor were with Alpharius since the beginning. I can see them teaching Alpharius that a tragedy for billions can bring mercy to trillions. ... or is it?

“Not a lot of people collect alpha legion” Me painting my new HH alpha legion army and an alpha legion CSM army on the shelf: :(

Alpharius Omegon is a little guy among his brothers.

The ghost legion part of the alpharius book was my favorite, the way he interacted with his sons and discussed about missions was so cool to me, also recognizing names like dynat, ingo pesh and skroll made me genuinly happy

At some point bricky needs to stream him and dk watching all of emperor tts

Maybe Lord Cypher from the Dark Angels is Omegon...who knows? Also, Alpharius and Big Boss or Solid Snake would get along nicely, I now want to see a comic of Alpharius and Big Boss sneaking in cardboard boxes inside the Imperial Palace

Exodus was an agent similar to Phocron during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, said to the best sniper in all the Legiones Astartes. Whether it was actually one person or a small group of talented marksmen, of course, we don’t know for sure, but I wouldn’t mind him/them popping back up in 40K. Alpha Legion needs a little diversity for sure.

Metal boxes on the hillside, Metal boxes made of ticky tacky, Metal boxes on the hillside, Metal boxes all the same

I have a theory about the alpha legion, they are just the ultimate shit posters, the seem to serve all the chaos gods simultaniously except nurgle, their schemes serve Tzentch, their prepetuation of war through playing both sides serves Khorn, their upsurd level of mind whiping and declaring they are all Alpharius serves slaanesh, and why don't they serve Nurgle, just to mess with you so you can't call them chaos undivided

The Alpha Legion are a blank check to justify any battle on the tabletop you want. Why is this regiment of Guard attacking another? Because their commander is an Alpha Legion agent. Why are these Ultramarines fighting this other group of Ultramarines? Because one of them is actually Alpha Legion in disguise, perfectly replicating their fighting tactics. Etc, etc.

Almost broke into tears when I saw my bois in blue and green

"Wait, it was the Alpha Legion?" "Always has been." *Shoots the first guy in the back*

Legion was one of my favourite books in the Horus Heresy series. Didn’t like it at first but by the end it’s in my Top 5 (so far). Big up Bronzi and Peto

30:00 - Maybe someone in the Asassinorum knows the Alpha Legion is loyalist, and faked the death of their own assassins to make it seem like the legion is with Chaos and is causing fuckery to bolster their cover...or maybe not. Crikey.

I'm so mad GW forces you to buy the premium Faith and Fury book in order to learn an Alpha Legion warband created a ritual to turn Imperial citizens into psykers capable of creating physical manifestations of the Emporer. And then violently exploding.

NGL and off topic I just love the Chaos Lord's in the Dawn Of War games. DOW 1: Lord Bale ("SINDRI!!!!") DOW 1.2 Winter Assault: Lord Crull (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!) DOW 1.3 Dark Crusade: *Lord Eliphas The Inheritor* ("Chaos calls for your destruction!") DOW 1.4 SoulStorm: Lord Carron ("METAL BAWKES!")

Btw is the rule of thumb to call alpharius alpharius before he found his twin and to call him omegon after he found omegon and they swapped names making omegon alpharius and alpharius omegon. Also I could see the psychers all having the same dream being due to one sleeper psycher starting the vision wich other psychers detected, creating a stronger impact on the warp thus causing a sort of chain reaction.

DK getting confused by the quotes and thinking they had already talked about Alpha Legion is lore accurate

Alpha to Omega, the Hydra awakes.

The Long Games at Charcharias is such a good story. surprised that alpharius "dying" to guilliman wasn't brought up.

Love the Alpha Legion lore and how open they are to interpretation. The armor color is so cool as well even though they have never been super powerful on the tabletop they would one of the worst to fight as a Guardsmen on a planet.

“Shy, smack his nuts” *Crash* I die laughing.

Fabulous Billy needs a episode for sure. Love the alpha legion you guys knocked this episode out of the park

"We do a little trolling" -Alpharius probably

Just started my first army and it was the Alpharius podcast episode that made choice the alpha legion as my first army.

36:00 Bricky should have just said "They poisoned the watering hole!"

Can’t wait for the alpha legion poster.

Tonite in Ridiculous Gear: Shy Is Disgusted, DK summons Jesus and Bricky becomes Alpharius

Also they're the 20th legion because that makes them the XX - the _double cross_ legion.

So if a hydra has three heads, couldn't there be a third alpha legion leader?

dammit now I wanna hear some loyalist alpha legion shit.

Hallelujah it's a raining snakes!

It's been a long while since I've played 40k but I've kept up with the game periodically - I love the presentation of the codices and battle reports are fun long form videos - and the Alpha Legion had two fairly recent editions where they were powerful (for CSM). There was the edition where you could essentially field infinite cultists and the one where you got enough minus to hit buffs that you could run Lord Discordants directly up the table turn 1 without getting them shot to pieces. They were especially good at objective battles. It was *really* fucking hard for your opponent to score from killing your warlord. It probably couldn't top any metas but you could absolutely clean up at your local game stores with decent play on your part. It's a shame Bricky never got to play against them. Favorite faction in 40k. Love the fluff (they did a bit more than that in the Heresy, Bricky), crunch, and aesthetic. They really lend themselves to the Your Dudes aspect of the game.

The Alpha Legions lore is much like they are themselves in universe. A lot of conflicting stories and various theories between the people in the know. The only "real" depictions we have seen of the alpha legion are the cases of short stories and full novels where they get a pov. Like the primarch book or the Shroud of night novel. For example we know now that Alpharius was tought by Malcador, who founded and led the Officio Assassinorum. So it is easy to look for connections there. Another one is that because of the whole switcheroo we saw happen in the Primarch book, the running theory is that it was Omegon who died (or maybe didn't) to Dorn. Following that because Alpharius was raised in the Imperium and omegon wasn't there is the Idea that they where each leaning towards the opposite sides. In the end who the fuck knows It's not unreasonable to assume that one of the twins is alive (most likely Alpharius). And that there might me a bigger part of the legion still united but duping everyone . While there are scatterd warbands who follow whoever is more convenient at that moment.

Oh boi, another legion episode! I can't wait for the Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children episode! Then they should do the Sanguinius and the Blood Angels episode next! (Reset the clock! Reset it until they have nothing left to talk about!)

51:33 rolling the ABSOLUTE bare minimum for deception and hamming the hell up to act EXTRA convincing

Big E gets resurrected, and his first words are "I am Alpharius"

I just like to imagine that an Alpha Legion dude infiltrates some imperial thing just by putting on a fake mustache.

Of course bricky springs the video on my favorite legion the day i had to stay late at work.

This whole legion is me, getting the role of Shapeshifter on Among Us and killing my friend, copying their identity, and then immediately getting caught red handed by the other friend. While standing in front of the corpse. I managed to shift the blame in the end. Hydra Dominatus indeed.

The sound effect after "Shy, smack his nuts" made me have to suppress my wheezing laughter for minutes on end so I don't wake up my roommates

Would’ve loved it if they introduced themselves as Alpharius

Kassar is a bad ass in Shroud of Night. There's also Occam the Untrue. And Arkos the Faithless. Then there's also failsauce like Kernax Voldorius. Shy, you did the guys a disservice. You should have given them the poll results from Warhammer Community where the Alpha Legion got the most votes out of all the Traitor Legions (even got into the top 4 out of all the legions).

I knew it, thats Dawn of War 1 Alpha Legion Blue!

I realized that many of the names of actually (supposed) alpha legion marines are just really cool sounding words that would absolutely be used in a spy blockbuster as codenames, either straight up or a corrupted version of the word, which also sounds really cool when you use your “movie trailer guy voice” to say it.

The first legions i play when i got into 40k were the iron hands and alpha legion because of how I love this Greek esthetic and yeah in that time the alpha legion suck but i would win 10 of maybe 25 games

Shy is Alpharius confirmed

bro I first found Bricky back in the days of Silver Guides - now I'm into Warhammer and it's all come full circle.

When you are Alpha and Omega. Is there anyone above you to answer to? Is the so called "God" Emperor above you? Or are you above him? You hold all the answers and the all questions. Do you bow before the false Emperor? Or do you slay him? Riddles on top of questions. On top of more tricks of the mind. What is the truth? When it is all a lie. *smile* I am Alpharus. Hydra Dominatus

“Why, I’m Alpharius.” “What kind of fool do you take me for? He’s Alpharius, He’s Alpharius, you’re Alpharius, I’m Alpharius!! Are there any other Alpharius’s I should know about?!” “I am Alpharius.” “…I’m out of here.”

FANTASTIC, I just started the first heretic I might actually be able to watch the book club ep having actually read the book on release date rather than a few weeks after reading. woop woop.

alpharius is the smallest primarch so hes just a little guy

POP THE BUBBLE! POP THE BUBBLE! Bricky I love your Spongebob reference!!!

I was wonder when the Alpha Legion would be covered. Can’t wait to hear it. I realize that’s something an Alpharius would say.

I find it funny how DK talks about not seeing anyone play Alpha Legion and MWG's Live Report today is Necrons vs Alpha Legion....amazing timing XD.

Alpharius wasn’t a Primarch. He was just a little guy.