Thanks a lot. I really appreciate the feedback. I'm glad you liked the video.

Thanks a lot. I'm really glad you enjoyed the video and found it useful. I appreciate you subscribing and hope my future videos will prove useful as well.

I agree, I’m new also to Airsoft, maybe got in it a little late, in my 50’s. Thanks for the info that you share with us. Like I mentioned early I’d watched your videos before I would’ve saved myself some trouble.

It's never to late for Airsoft. I'm no youngster either. I've got mates at my home site that are older than me. I've got mates that are much younger. I think that's one of the great things in Airsoft, we all share the same enjoyment regardless of age or background. I'm glad to hear you find the videos helpful and I hope they continue to help. If there is anything you would like to see in a video tech or info wise, let me know and I will try to sort something out.

I would have to 2nd that

Thanks, deans is definitely the way forward.

Thanks. I'm glad the videos are helpful. I hope you keep enjoying them.

@@rockbottomairsoft I will indeed. All the best man.

Thanks, I'm really glad you found it useful.

I'm slowly being converted 😃. They definitely seem decent. In some cases I need a small lipo though just for fitment.

I certainly like the LI-ION batteries. There are a lot of advantages to consider. It depends on what you want from a battery, but in most cases they do the job.

I still use Lipo's dependant on the situation. Some of which are still going strong after years like yourself. I have found myself moving to LION's for standard game days though just for convenience more than anything. It depends on what I'm using that day really.

Thanks, I'm glad you found the information useful. I certainly think Li-ion has its place in Airsoft dependant on the usage case.

How are li-po's outdated? I wouldn't call a battery the size of a matchbox capable of powering a DSG setup outdated.

@@hakont.4960 Effectiveness is not a price for safety and ease of use, especially if the effectiveness is only slightly greater in my opinion... but that´s only my own view maybe ;)

@@psycho9381 I wouldn't call nearly ten times the discharge rating just slightly higher performance. Li-po batteries will also be very safe if you use them correctly and buy high quality packs. Li-ion works well for low to moderate performance AEG's or if you have a huge battery space. They don't quite cut it for high performance AEG's and/or AEG's with limited battery space though.

@@hakont.4960 sry but i have to mention that just because you use more words it doesn't make your opinion any more correct ;) do not just inform yourself and get "book wise" ... try it out yourself and you will be surprised ;) ... there are some situations in this "reality" where practice refutes theory .

In some cases this may be possible. It can be very dependant on the lipo being used. As you probably know there are a vast array of different lipo batteries. MAH, C rating and even brand can all have an impact on the performance of a lipo. The Titan batteries all gave a set c rating and so it is of course possible to get a higher output lipo. In my case I found that there was little notable difference between a similar spec lipo and titan for response but of course there is more choice with lipo.

I believe your absolutely right. In fact I think that is what the majority of packs are made from. Wouldn't trust myself to do it myself though 😅.

@@rockbottomairsoft im a begginer at the sport but trying to make things safer and easier. I use to make my own battery for power tools using li-on. i wish someone will disassemble these titan batteries to see the inner workings of it.

Hi. I'm really glad you enjoyed the video and found it useful. To be honest there are benefits to both. For convenience you can't beat LI-ION. But if you want maximum output and a slightly smaller size it's LIPO. I've steadily moved to LI-ION myself. For voltage your replica will handle either, 11.1 will give better trigger response but slightly faster wear and tear. 7.4 will be slightly smaller but less performance.

I think in general a lipo has the ability to provide greater power it just depends on the rating of the lipo. The li-ion is definitely good enough power wise for me. Think it really depends on how much power you need.

I agree. I've had great success with my 3000mah one. Lasts a full game day with no issues.

Hi, sorry for the late reply. As far as Lipo or LI-ION you would normally be looking for 7.4 or 11.1. Most suppliers should have LI-ION options in stick styles. Hope this helps.

@@rockbottomairsoft ok thanks for replying I thing I’m going to get a 9.6v Nimh

That was what I thought. Like I usually say, I prefer to test gear in the field. In theory the li-ion should last longer. I will do a follow up when I've used it in the field but I'm confident it should last the day. I completely agree. The knowledge you can run it completely flat is comforting.

Thanks, I'm glad you found it useful. I agree I maybe could have chrono'd the rate of fire to actually show a difference, that is a good suggestion and something I may do moving forward. As far as rof goes, I've not seen a difference though. If you happen to get a different brand of LI-ION let me know how it performs for you.

It was previously always the case that NiMH where known to exhibit memory effects if regularly charged when not fully depleted. However this isn't such an issue with newer NiMH batteries. One thing NiMH does have is voltage droop. This means the output of the battery reduces as the charge level reduces.

If an 11.1 LIPO is not an option in a particular replica. An 11.1 LI-ION would also not be an option. That being said there are very few replicas that you can't use an 11.1 battery with. All replicas will be worn out more rapidly with an 11.1, how quickly failure occurs can be down to a lot of factors. Generally though if you wouldn't be happy using an 11.1 lipo in a replica you wouldn't be any safer with an 11.1 LI-ION. Hope this helps.

I agree you can get Lipo batteries with much higher C rating in many cases. These will of course be capable of pushing more current. I think it depends what you want out of your battery. In my case LI-ION suits my needs for most builds.

I'm glad you enjoyed the video, it's a bit of a minefield with batteries so I just touched on some of the basics here. For the specna you will have plenty of room with a crane stock style battery. The battery I use in the video will easily fit that's a 7.4v battery. 11.1 will give you snappier trigger response and bit better rate of fire. You can use the 11.1 but I prefer to use 7.4 if I can as it's not as hard on the mechanical or electrical system.

@@rockbottomairsoft thanks for that. I'm struggling to find a lower power li ion battery with crane type. I'll keep looking. Cheers

If you look at the link in the video description that should put you to landwarrior. They have a good stock of the li-ion batteries.

@@rockbottomairsoft I believe LWA is one of UKs main stockists of TITAN

Hi. Okay, as is usually the case in Airsoft it's not a straight answer, so here we go. Any battery choice depends on what it will need to power or be used for. Lipo can without a doubt provide more power if it is required. So if you are going for a build with a powerful motor, heavy spring and crazy rates of fire/power then in those cases you will get maximum performance with a lipo, LI-ION may still work but the performance in this case will be better with a LIPO. On the other hand if you are going to be using a standard replica or a mildly upgraded replica then the LI-ION will be better as it will last much longer, is much more forgiving with regard to the care taken with it and can be run absolutely flat with no adverse affects. I have used Titan LI-ION batteries for over a year now in various builds and have been really impressed. They still last a whole day for me. The performance difference between an equivalent lipo and these is negligible and unnoticeable. I see the same comments that you mention and some of the arguments may have some merit but for the average use that most of us have with our airsoft replicas the Titans are fine. I tend to use the LI-ION batteries far more than my lipo batteries these days. Hope this helps.

@@rockbottomairsoft So I only play on outdoor fields which ban full auto anyway. I don't plan on running insane setups, I might boost the motor an install a perun hybrid v2, but Im mostly after trigger response. RPS means nothing to me, I just want trigger response and accuracy. The Titan power battery seems like a great investment for my kid that isn't gonna be the most responsible about keeping his lipo batteries going, when I could buy 1 or 2 titan batteries and never have to worry bc of the capacity. There's only 1 indoor course near me, but I think even then full auto is banned. I think the Titan battery would make a nice purchase unless there is something I am missing. Please by all means provide feedback on my response lol.

I completely agree. I think for the use you've described the Titan batteries would be more than capable. I also agree about the ease of use. They will function fine if they have been run flat unlike a lipo, they are less likely to go pop and are far more forgiving in general. I play outdoor and one 3000 mah 7.4 or 11.1 will last me the whole skirmish day. They cost more than the equivalent lipo but I think in the long run they will serve you well.

@@rockbottomairsoft I appreciate your response! If you have a discord or anything let me know! I'm desperately trying to find people who aren't hive minded and able to provide a non emotional response that I can ask questions too.

Thanks, hope it helps. I don't have a discord but you can find me on Facebook and Instagram.

You can certainly use 11.1 with the edge. As to recommend it or not then that gets us on to why I use 7.4. I have been moving away from 11.1 steadily. It will generally put more strain on your electrical system. As you are increasing the power to your motor on an otherwise standard replica you are increasing the wear characteristics of that gearbox. In that I mean I would normally shim a box myself and carry out my own lubrication before going for higher rate of fire. If I have the box open anyway I tend to try to do work on a box that gets me the rate of fire I want while still only using 7.4 batteries. So for my unopened standard specna, I stick with 7.4 however if I wanted to increase response and rate of fire I would certainly try 11.1 on it. So that is why I tend to use 7.4 wherever I can these days. I would think you would be fine on an 11.1 Titan though. I hope this helps.

Thank you!

Here in the UK I believe landwarrior are a distributor for Titan LI-ION batteries. You can order those here: www.landwarriorairsoft.com/batteries-bbs-gas-chronographs-c5 I hope this helps. Otherwise other brands are available but I have not tried those yet. I believe Valken do some LI-ION batteries now.

@@rockbottomairsoft thanks

No worries

Hi, perhaps someone might know better than me on this way, but as far as I'm aware they don't make any specifically for AEP's. Sorry I couldn't be more help.

You can get 7.4V li-po packs that have standard AEP connector.

Nice replica, very nice. There are a lot of horror stories floating about regarding LIPO batteries. However don't let this put you off. On the whole the care that you have to take with them is not difficult and certainly easy to carry out as part of your airsoft routine. Battery wise I am more and more turning to LI-ION due to the fact that they are slightly more forgiving in the care you have to take with them. If you can physically fit a LI-ION battery then they are much easier to care for, usually have larger capacities but are more expensive. However if space will not allow, LIPO is certainly the best option. If you check out my videos I have a section based on batteries and electrical system there are a few videos on battery tech there and also a video on LIPO care which hopefully will tell you all you need to know to care for LIPO batteries. I hope this helps.

@@rockbottomairsoft I wish I would have watched that video when I first bought my LiPo battery, I flipping shot my gun until the battery died and now I can't even use the battery anymore

I'm sorry to hear that. It is possible on occasion to revive a dead lipo battery. However there are inherent risks with the procedure so I don't recommend it myself. There are instructions out there though. The best bet is just to buy a couple and change out mid day. That usually will last me a day. Hope this helps.

@@rockbottomairsoft yeah I found out that I needed to adjust my motor it was too loose and it actually killed the battery very quickly, I was unaware

It's all a bit of a learning curve. I've lost count of the number of jobs I've done to replicas that have gone majorly wrong, but then I know not to try that again🤣. So many bits that can go wrong with our replicas. Should be sorted out now, I hope it works for you now.

In theory the voltage you use is only limited by your build. Of course if the system can handle it you can use 14.8. If not then you may cause premature failure. Never tried a 14.8v battery myself. These days I try to tune my gearbox to run effectively with 7.4 rather than 11.1 if I can.

i have ver.2 gearbox with 18:1 gear that shim perfectly. m140 spring, shs high torque motor and currently having lipo 11.1v 25c. do you know how maximum voltage can we put on the shs 40,000 rpm high torque motor?

if it can handle a 14.8v battery then i will try it myself. 😅

Unfortunately I would have to disagree with a lot of your points here. But hey that's discussion. I absolutely agree that many devices have battery monitoring and control systems. Mobile phones, laptop computers, smart devices to name but a few. However to say that a lipo is safer as it puffs up would be inaccurate in my opinion. All batteries have the capability to explode as you put it, if they are mistreated or disposed of incorrectly, this is not just for lithium technologies. Now let me from the outset say that I am not showing preference to any battery at this point. I use both lipo and LI-ION depending on the use case. However puffing can be caused by a number of factors not just drawing to much current. The problem that causes ignition is if that puffed lipo ruptures and contacts oxygen. So that chance is reduced in a hard case, less chance of mechanical damage is present. Both LI-ION and LIPO should be charged using a smart charger so that issue is present for both. As for low voltage, that is not such an issue for LI-ION as they can be completely discharged without damaging the battery. This is not the case with LIPO. As for not providing the current required. If you are building a dsg or heavy build then obviously in that situation will choose a battery suitable to your requirements. I think the point I am making is that all battery technologies have a risk involved, even AA's it's all about the level of risk and treating your power supply with the respect and treatment it requires.

@@rockbottomairsoft I said Lipo is safer than ion, assuming they are both being used correctly. It is just a fact, not something to agree or disagree with. "Q: Are lithium-polymer batteries safe? A: Yes. Lithium-polymer is even safer than lithium-ion, as there’s less risk of leaking the electrolytic component." Look up any study. Also, it is pretty harmful to discharge a ion battery all the way, even though these con men at Titan make it sound like it is okay to do so. The discharge rate of ion batteries are not suitable for most airsoft guns. Most ion batteries are used in high voltage low current applications, or low current, high capacity applications. Don't let engineered marketing fool you. I have DSGs that get around 12RPS less than an equal "sticker rating" lipo battery. That can cause big problems if someone used it continually in a scenario like that. They say they are "made 100% in USA" but when you take the Titan wrap off, you see that they are Sony 18650s, which are made in China. They purposely mislead people. Why not say "assembled in USA with global components" If you are too lazy to take care of a lipo battery, you probably don't need to play airsoft. That takes away any "advantage" of a ion battery, in airsoft. Tesla uses Ion batteries, and that is fine. They operate at very low current and very high voltage. They also have BCM for protection, and they still catch on fire. 6C is not enough discharge for airsoft, I dont care how much mAh they have. Over discharging any type of battery is bad, lipo too. You are just way less likely to over discharge a lipo, due to the higher discharge rate. We need to make airsoft safe for people. I don't think selling a ion battery and saying "you never have to worry about" it is a good idea. This just leads to battery neglect and can be dangerous. Titan is wrong for what they advertise.

I appreciate all comments here. I don't agree with all the points your making, but I appreciate your input. I can certainly see that you have some issues with Titan branded batteries. Thanks again for sharing your experiences.

@@rockbottomairsoft No problem. People are fee to use what they want. Just type in google, "are titan batteries good for airsoft" Ask any veteran tech on forums and Facebook. You will get the same response. They are not my points. If you have a stock gun at .8-1 joules they will be okay, but 2x the price of a lipo. I mean some people tell everyone the earth is flat, they all work at Titan.

@@pauls.5815 Ugh this discuss makes me even more confused which battery i'm gonna use for my Lehui Vector V2 😭 But i really appreciate this discuss also added my references ❤️

I'm having issues with locking up in the gearbox trying to fugue out if it is the titan battery or not

I put an m110 in that particular replica if I remember rightly. So it's not massively stiff. It's only a single sector gear in it but it's 12:1 and high torque motor so does put a fair load on the battery. Are you using 11.1 or 7.4? Depends on the lock up but a few things can cause it.

I'm using an M120 in mine with high torque motor and gears. It is a 11.1 battery

I can't imagine it would be the battery that's causing the problem but of course it's a possibility. What I would recommend is to fault find by eliminating the obvious. Strip the box, check shimming is on point, check nothing can bind, check no screws have worked loose such as piston head and so forth. Before all that though, if you suspect a lack of power see if you can get hold of a higher discharge battery(within reason) and see if that solves the problem. Sorry If I'm stating stuff your already know.

I've checked all the obviouse stuff already like screws, piston, head and the shimming, I man I'm not an exoe by any means but I've sort of narrowed it down to the battery not having the power to pull back the spring or the programing on the titan mosfet not being set up right. That being said it's only an M120 so it really shouldn't need that much power to pull it back haha. I'm at wits end with it 😂