AMD AVC vs HEVC vs AV1 - Which Recording/Streaming Codec should you use?

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Hello Dear Viewers :D
Today, with a requested video testing the video quality of 3 codecs:
- AVC (Advanced Video Coding)
- HEVC (High Efficiency Video Coding)
- AV1 (AOMedia Video 1)
The 3 codecs are tested at 1080P and 1440P, at 2, 5, 10 & 15 Mbps (video bitrate).
00:00 - Intro
01:27 - Recording & Streaming Video Quality
05:10 - AVC vs HEVC vs AV1 - 1080P - 2Mbps
06:15 - AVC vs HEVC vs AV1 - 1080P - 5Mbps
07:44 - AVC vs HEVC vs AV1 - 1080P - 10Mbps
08:45 - AVC vs HEVC vs AV1 - 1080P - 15Mbps
10:00 - AVC vs HEVC vs AV1 - 1440P - 2Mbps
11:13 - AVC vs HEVC vs AV1 - 1440P - 5Mbps
12:11 - AVC vs HEVC vs AV1 - 1440P - 10Mbps
13:15 - AVC vs HEVC vs AV1 - 1440P - 15Mbps
14:48 - Conclusion
16:42 - Channel Members
17:03 - More Videos
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MB: Asus X570 Strix-F
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GPU: AMD RADEON RX 7900XTX @2900/2700 MHz
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MB: MSI Z490 Tomahawk
RAM: 4x8Gb Patriot Viper 4400Mhz CL19 (3600 MHz CL16)
GPU: AMD RADEON RX 7900XTX @2900/2700 MHz
SSD: Kingston V300 120Gb
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2Tb 7200 rpm
PSU: Seasonic SIII 650W Bronze
CASE: Aerocool One Frost Edition
INTEL 12th Gen PC USED for CPU testing:
MB: Gigabyte Z690 Aorus ELITE (DDR4)
RAM: 4x8Gb Patriot Viper 4400Mhz CL19 (3600 MHz CL16)
GPU: AMD RADEON RX 7900XTX @2900/2700 MHz
SSD: Kingston A400 240Gb + WD SN570 500Gb
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2Tb 7200 rpm
PSU: Aerocool X-Strike 800W 80+ Silver Semi Modular
CASE: Phanteks Eclipse P400A
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@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

This was a very requested video for several months, so it would make me happy if you could hit like to help this video get more and more recommended!

@bjjm9772 Жыл бұрын

Quick question! Do you recommend to use the PRO drivers due to their "Stability" or stick into the latest Adrenalin drivers?

@adammartin4906 Жыл бұрын

You know I'm always hitting that Like button not sure why they can't just give it a smash before they watch your videos are Awesome!!!!🤪

@MoChuang343 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for making this comparison. Everything I have seen thus far only compared AVC with AV1 and that's a night and day difference. I was looking to see how much better AV1 is compared to HEVC, bc I use HEVC for most of my video work. I am glad to see that AV1 is pushing the quality forward and we're only on 1st gen HW encoders for AV1 so hopefully it'll keep getting better over time.

@MoChuang343 Жыл бұрын

Question for you though. Do you think the AV1 cards are worth it at this point? Like you said AV1 is only available on RTX 4000, RX 7000, and Arc. And beside the Arc A380, which sucks at gaming, all those cards are really expensive. Given that most people have access to HEVC on all Ryzen iGPUs, RX 400 and newer, GTX 1000 and newer, and Intel iGPU 7th gen and newer, should they just use the HEVC they already have? If you stream to Twitch you are stuck with AVC regardless, and if you stream to KZfaq you can use HEVC on your older GPU and get pretty close to the quality of AV1 with slightly more bitrate. So at the end of the day is it worth it? Maybe when Twitch makes the jump to AV1 it will...

@Harvester88 Жыл бұрын

I am personally using AV1 on KZfaq for streaming but for recording purposes I went HEVC. AV1 files were difficult to edit in resolve for me. I love the file size of AV1 recordings though. I could do lossless and get smaller files than HEVC and still great quality.

@Tiiroj 7 ай бұрын

How are you using av1 for streaming? There is no any option to choose av1. Thanks.

@stuupyisntreal 6 ай бұрын

@@Tiiroj your gpu might not have the encoder. which gpu are you using

@noname-vw1oi 3 ай бұрын

Whats your gpu and cpu?

@lazypilotindonesian 3 ай бұрын

OBS y can check on settings

@niezzayt3809 Ай бұрын

@@stuupyisntrealwrong. If you have LESS THAN 10K subscribers and you want to do Livestreaming with your RTX 4090, even if you start streaming with AV1 enabled, the people watching your stream will receive H264 version of the video codec. Not AV1

@Atilolzz Жыл бұрын

I really apprectiate the enormous amounts of work you put into these videos! They are genuinely helpful!

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad to know

@ivanbrkic99 Жыл бұрын

That cat at the start always cracks me up, great video as always Fabio!

@TheRealClaylex Жыл бұрын

It still boggles me YT and even other newer streaming platforms are STILL ahead of what Twitchs streaming capabilities can do.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Twitch should have already died, they refuse to move forward, ban people for nothing, don't care about their "special girls" breaking the rules, etc etc

@SaiTatter Жыл бұрын

So much truth in a few words ❤

@ColdFear6666 Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays Damn, no one ever was this right, like you now!

@TheRealClaylex Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays They make 1 step forward 2 steps back dumb asf decisions bro.

@TheRealClaylex Жыл бұрын

@@SaiTatter Mhmm. Like dudes, we have women literally having sex on their stream and yet they're not fully banned from the platform.

@JegsTV Жыл бұрын

just the video im actually researching on. thanks bro.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Great to see I helped

@MERF615 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. You make very good and useful content! I love to plunge headlong into your creativity!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much as well

@daniboy_tv 7 ай бұрын

Late to the party, but I sincerely thank you for all your continued efforts for all of us using AMD! Really has saved me a lot of work and headaches

@AncientGameplays 7 ай бұрын

Thankyou as well for watching and commenting :D

@maestro9615 Жыл бұрын

Everybody give this man a thumbs up. Show some love. This is my favorite pc game related channel.

@Nick85 4 ай бұрын

Thank you SO MUCH for this video. For my use case, I have a decent gaming PC on my home network and sometimes I like to stream games from it to another PC. It is not an easy question to ask which codec is best for this or how to set this up for the best quality with the least amount of money spent. Understanding the differences between encoding and decoding and the technologies involved helps with me selecting a good enough GPU to get the highest quality out of my streaming PC without overspending. This video was extremely helpful for that pursuit.

@AncientGameplays 4 ай бұрын

Glad I could help

@vladislavkaras491 Ай бұрын

Great comparison with great explanation! Thanks for the video!

@AncientGameplays Ай бұрын

Thank you as well :D

@Malefikar Жыл бұрын

I'm not a streamer, but sometimes i record some games for my friends. This video can be very helpful, thanks!

@theguycanfly98 Жыл бұрын

He has an older recording tutorial for and cards, but he did say it quickly in this video too, that if you're just going to record you should probably double the streaming bit rate. Personally I use 40mbps for my cod clips on here and HEVC because I have a rx 5700xt and I think my clips look decently crispy

@Malefikar Жыл бұрын

@@theguycanfly98 thanks

@evilleader1991 Жыл бұрын

@@theguycanfly98 If you record @ 1440p60 I think the max bitrate on KZfaq is 32000 kbps, so I dont know if you would gain anything more in terms of visual clarity going higher. COrrect me if im wrong :)

@seuma_sonate 2 ай бұрын

Hello! Thank you for the work you have done here. This is finally a comparison, which also points the details in clarity etc. and not, like various other videos, just straight side by side comparison without any commenting at all. I like how AV1 is doing but also sad, that it isn't available on twitch as for now. Hopefully they will add this. Back to your video. Again a good comparison and easy to follow along. I wasn't using AV1 for recording because the most Videos only showed settings and such for either x264 or h264. I now have a better view on quality changes for the encoder thanks to your video! Much appreciated.

@AncientGameplays 2 ай бұрын

Thanks, twitch was supposedly adding av1 very soon

@ellypsis603 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this Fabio 😄

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Thank you as well

@yarom1342 Жыл бұрын

yes finally a good comparison between them

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@yarom1342 Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays 😄

@joeyzwappa1756 Жыл бұрын

First, haven't watched it yet but this is something i'm also interested in. Thank you will be watching now u got a like from me already.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Thank you as well

@Silent-1983 Жыл бұрын

Thank You!

@user-ff9rx7kq2g Ай бұрын

Thank you

@MAK_007 Ай бұрын

I can't import AV1 recorded videos to adobe premiere pro. I can't even upload the recording directly to KZfaq. KZfaq says processing failed. I recorded it through Nvidia app. How did you export your AV1 video ?

@AncientGameplays Ай бұрын

That's because Adobe still needs to work things up. I can export and Use AV1 videos with Filmora for example

@MAK_007 Ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays thank you

@Stameno 2 ай бұрын

thank you

@pasha715 Жыл бұрын

very intersting video, for people who have worse internet this av1 is very good, ofc for the rest of people too :)

@ufo-nwgd 5 ай бұрын

спасибо большое! отличная работа!

@debnadaebna9981 Жыл бұрын

Very informative! Thank you! There is one strange thing that got me confused about AV1 codec - I have a TV Box, Mecool KM6 Deluxe. It can use AV1 when streaming videos (through hdmi) and not only the picture is better but the performance is better too...

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Because it has a dedicated av1 decoder. Unless you need to use the cpu for av1, the performance will be around the same for all codecs

@debnadaebna9981 Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays Wow nice.

@MartyMcFlyTop1 Жыл бұрын

You're the BEST

@user-bonk Жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@Bobalazs Жыл бұрын

av1 is clearly the future. currently its lacking support.

@gapast3669 Жыл бұрын

Very helpfull video, i relised i was recording with AVC and thinking where was the issue with the quality...

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Great that I could help!

@DeusGladiorum 7 ай бұрын

Interestingly, I would say the text clarity is actually better in HEVC than AV1, though maybe not leaps and bounds. If you pause around 8:53 - 8:54 and observe the white flag on the left, as it gets closer I can definitely read the word "festival" much more readily in the HEVC version before I can in the AV1 version. And I see similar superiority in HEVC when I try to read other text like the words at the bottom of the license plate at various times

@AncientGameplays 7 ай бұрын

It can vary depending on the image as well, and the KZfaq compression definitely doesn't help

@sassuki 5 ай бұрын

Same here; HEVC looked ver~y similar to AV1 for me; sometimes HEVC was better, sometimes AV1, depending on the scene.

@wolfreeew Жыл бұрын

Hey fabio, nice video much appreciated , just letting you know that in the 1440p test the youtube timeline says 1080p.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Fixed, thank you

@filippocontiberas Ай бұрын

I use AV1 two passes + Opus for audio and I archieve small files or streaming flux with very high quality

@amirafshar2580 Жыл бұрын

Nice

@Jeyxx2003 Жыл бұрын

Really nice video, one more reason to buy the new 7000 series in the future although I think AMD was very late in getting their act together now I know why my graphics card has a decoder but no encoder I can see why the high CPU usage in OBS thank you !

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Yeah, its basically because your using software/CPU AV1. And AMD did not come late here, as only the newer gens of each brand have AV1 encoding

@GameLinerSaikou 11 ай бұрын

Lower Bitrate & Retain decent image quality. With HW encoding GPU you are set for a unique exp w/ AV1. tbh, I only use AV1 now XD. Kudos bro.

@GameLinerSaikou 11 ай бұрын

Hey AG! huge thanks to you again for your research on av1 in this vid. A technical and motivational one for me to finally start uploading AV1 2K gameplay series. ❤🎉 respec bro!😊

@MrBoombast64 Жыл бұрын

So now it´s the applications that is bad as they are not implementing the newest technologies... Great video as always mate!

@heinzletzte.6385 Жыл бұрын

I use hevc for streaming on youtube and for recording because my GPU does not have an av1 encoder. I wish other platforms would support hevc too.

@DrozChann3L 26 күн бұрын

starting today i will use hevc, that is what is available to my card

@CuervoVirtual Жыл бұрын

For streaming KZfaq: AMD H265 is amazing (nothing to envy Nvidia HEVC / NVENC). Twitch: AMD H264 (RDNA2 & 3) is It is decent but it does not reach the level Quality of Nvidia cards (slightly less than Pascal 😮, and much less than Turing & Ampere). AV1: I haven't tried av1 (I have an RX 6650 XT) but it should surprise you.

@evilleader1991 Жыл бұрын

Care you detail your settings? I am interested in starting to stream a little again, but it has been difficult after changing to an AMD card and only having limited amount of upload speed (20mbps).

@Zicrixdoesart Жыл бұрын

And they're already working on av2!

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Noice!

@JordonAM Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately for channels under 10K you get stuck with AVC transcoding from KZfaq. The only way you can force VP9 is if you upload or stream at 1440p. It's a strange rule and I wish that wasn't the case

@MoChuang343 Жыл бұрын

You can upscale to force the transcode

@JordonAM Жыл бұрын

@@MoChuang343 Yes, hence where I said "The only way you can force VP9 is if you upload or stream at 1440p"

@MoChuang343 Жыл бұрын

@@JordonAM Idk why I phrased it like that...literally made no sense and added no value to what you already said...I mean to say you can use a 1440p stream key to force YT to upscale a 1080p stream from OBS to 1440p and give you vp9. Very helpful if you dont have the bandwidth for a 1440p stream yourself.

@MysticMylesZ 8 ай бұрын

Do you know if AV1 will come to the AMD Radeon 500 series? Or is it only for graphics cards newer than 2018 I have a Radeon RX 550

@AncientGameplays 8 ай бұрын

Ofc not...av1 is recent and only on thr 7000 series a s nvidia 4000 series

@Venlorz Ай бұрын

having this codec, will this improve when remoting a PC from Steam Deck? I'm trying to build PC and not sure what to get GPU.

@El_ShintA Жыл бұрын

Good video

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@moustafa_1994 Жыл бұрын

Really good video thank you! but I didn't catch it (sorry f'ed up sleeping schedule lol), what GPU was used? and how does NVENC campare to AMD Encoder?

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Was the 7900xtx although it doesn't matter much. Nvenc is better at avc, but I believe the difference in hevc and av1 is barely noticiable

@moustafa_1994 Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays wow thanks for the fast reply! don't you think this is an idea for future content?

@maegnificant 9 ай бұрын

I don't know if this is something you're interested in, but I would love to see and hear your opinion on a comparison on streaming codecs for VR, like for the Quest 3 :)

@AncientGameplays 9 ай бұрын

Thanks, but the difference would be exactly the same. Av1 > Hevc > Avc

@maegnificant 9 ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays okay

@anderseriksson7187 10 ай бұрын

Perfect, just what i was looking for. When can i stream in 1440p 15mb/sec to twitch?

@AncientGameplays 10 ай бұрын

Not yet sadly, Twitch is stuck in the past

@abah.gaming84 5 ай бұрын

Hey, any good recommendation for recording using 6600xt in 1080p? For now i use HEVC at 35k bitrate, then export with higher bitrate (50k) using H.265 encoder in Filmora 13 (2k upscale). Any recommendations? 😂

@isuues7656 Ай бұрын

@Ancient Gameplays Hello, please tell me what bitrate should be set for the AV1 codec for streaming in 2k (1440p (6-13 Mbps)

@AncientGameplays Ай бұрын

always use the most you can

@SpecCrazy Жыл бұрын

AVC is really old now. At that time it come out for use with CPU Encoding (x264). If compare Hardware H.264 vs x264 you will see different. Unlike H.265 and AV1 that come out while the GPU get very powerful and more versatile like these days. Especially AV1 that must require quite a lot of processing power (must require GPU, otherwise the AV1 quality will come out like garbage like when using SVT-AV1) and many software like Adobe Premiere Pro does not support it make H.265 better in general. But if these 3 codecs have decent value of bitrate it will come out almost the same quality.

@redragongaming Жыл бұрын

Yeah i use AVC with 60 MB/s bitrate and the quality is pretty good.

@SpecCrazy Жыл бұрын

@@redragongaming I'm using 50-65Mbps on both AVC and HEVC. I think 50Mbps is enough to output a really good quality with save more disk space a bit.

@redragongaming Жыл бұрын

@@SpecCrazy What kind of editing software do you use? I am currently editing my videos with Vegas Pro or Cyberlink Power Director.

@SpecCrazy Жыл бұрын

@@redragongaming I'm using OBS for recording and Adobe Premiere Pro for editing. Codecs may varies up to my emotion to use it LMAO

@redragongaming Жыл бұрын

@@SpecCrazy Wow you are smart, i never got the hang of OBS Studio or Adobe Premiere Pro, they always seemed too complicated to me, i'm kind of retarded anyway.

@evilleader1991 Жыл бұрын

holy shit i was just looking into this since i discovered that my upload speed was 20 mbps instead of the advertised 10 mbps :P. This should allow me to have a decent enough stream using H.265 encoder to youtube.

@jadadpe3873 Жыл бұрын

What do you think of the current streaming performance of the RDNA2 GPUs and how does it compare between Twitch and KZfaq? Specifically the 6950xt after the relatively recent driver updates etc.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Rdna2 gpus have hevc and avc+b frames

@ThunderKat Жыл бұрын

Would be nice to see CPU encoding equivalent (viables) and how 8 vs 16 cores modern CPU hold regarding lost performance... Nvidia new nvenc with rtx always been great as it also avoid unnecessary use of RAM and improve games performance over 1000 series and bellow. H265 should be best, but not sure GPU can do this in real time but then x264 using the cPU on medium/slow could achieve similar RTX quality if not better. In my experience to get best result you need to improve game resolution, regardless of end encoding quality the encoding would had an easy time with high resolution sources when doing his magic. Remind of days recording with FRAP using uncompressed format (heavy files), that quality was beyond anything else even up to date like you could full anyone you where actually watching the original screen if you went full-screen and the fun thing is that even a Phenom II could handle the task easy, but then this is offline recording not suit for streaming. I try using OBS uncompressed but doesn't match what Frap offers back in the old days, OBS is a messy program all around. I imagine CPU encoding could become more relevant despite the AV1 introduction as CPU can easily handle the task even at the highest of settings. I have a couple old 1080p video recorded with FRAP the quality was beyond anything else back then, including shadow lay at max settings that came years later.

@dsm828 Жыл бұрын

Encoding through software based(cpu) is way more taxing than via hardware, with the gpu the encoding is done by an specialized part, it will always perform miles better than doin it through the cpu. An exemple, rn, afaik there aint a single cpu that can manage av1 in real time...

@Hjallapenos Жыл бұрын

Are there any performance differences with the different encoders? Does it change the fps when streaming, or only the quality of the stream?

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

On the same card, the performance impact would be equal (almost zero), this was with the 7900XTX, although I always record using HEVC and the performance drop is almost unnoticiable, even at 50mbps

@Hjallapenos Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays ok thanks! It's a shame that twitch doesn't support HEVC but I'll try to remember to use it next time I record something 😄

@manu-singh Жыл бұрын

will there be any way to encode av1 on 6700xt in the future ? sorry i dont exactly understand how these av1 encoders work?

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Those are made in the gpu, they're hardware, so no it wont. You have hevc though

@preacherplays 11 ай бұрын

So on OBS what's the difference between SVC-AV1, AOM AV1, and AMD HW AV1?

@AncientGameplays 11 ай бұрын

The one you see is amd hw av1, the others are cpu sided, they need a good cpu

@preacherplays 11 ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays Thank you! My google Fu is apparently very bad because I've been trying to find this information everywhere.

@s3cr3t_channel 3 ай бұрын

I hope GPU brands will release soon h.266 decoding and encoding.

@AncientGameplays 3 ай бұрын

Av1 mate

@s3cr3t_channel 3 ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays they already have av1. H.266 is my concern.

@SlashGunz7 2 ай бұрын

Bro! What do you think, what its better? I have an RX 6700XT. I have to know wich one is better, record screen (games) on OBS with H265 or AMD Adrenalin with he HEVC?? OBS is supposed to be very heavy and affects performance...

@TheZerosd 2 ай бұрын

Oba is more CPU consuming while adrenaline is gpu

@AMDPCBuoldersCommunity Жыл бұрын

6900xt has to support it. In OBS it shows up for use, but I don't really stream, but handbrake also does av1 I first tested on the 3950x 2060ko an hour in to use I was 15% done. And on the 5900x and 6900xt same settings the full render was done in 15 minutes 4k to 4k I have a 6900xt on the 3950x as I am doing other testing , so I can test this as well. Now. As well as when I finish memory tuning testing between the 3950x and 6900xt and the 5900x and 6900xt to see if there are different results. Let me know and I can send settings used in OBS as well as version number and do a test stream. For you let me know I got your back

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Not, that's impossible. It shows you the cpu one as explained

@AMDPCBuoldersCommunity Жыл бұрын

Also from what I understand resolve supports it have not tested it as of yet something else I can forward information on.

@AMDPCBuoldersCommunity Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays the 3950x vs the 5900x run out the same and a 15% to 20% ipc lift would not reduce time to render this much I will have a 5950x later but will test the same movie from hvec to av1 In Handbrake , I have 26Tb of media in house that I have for Plex and recently have been working on testing 4k stuff lots of information learned here on the Plex media server side of things

@AMDPCBuoldersCommunity Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays I will test all of it in bit in the deepest dive you will ever see on KZfaq with 6900xt for fun I even put it on FX at 4l lol but 2600x vs 3950x vs 5900x and I will wrap it up with 5800x3d it won't be out till some time august as I am using a ton of different ram settings in testing here. And also open loop vs aio. Just from 3200 cl 18 to 3600cl 14 was a 9-10 fps gain in numbers but giving out too much and as 4x8 is harder on the memory controller this is the best on the 3950x I have dual rank 2x16 that I know will do at least 3800 cl14 on the 3950x and on the 5900x 4000 cl14 everyone should learn a ton from the data I collect here. Rotfl

@Dxeon2.0 5 ай бұрын

Ok mas esse teste e feito pelo obs ? Estou pra adquirir uma GPU AMD e estou procurando informações dessas GPUs AMD 7000 usando o av1 no obs para live

@AncientGameplays 5 ай бұрын

onde é não interessa para nada, o que interessa é o codec e qualidade. Vê este video também: O twitch vai começar a suportar AV1 finalmente penso. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7iAjJt0zZurkqc.html

@spindragonkiller Жыл бұрын

This video content is AV1 quality (no pund intended) hehe😊 thanks a lot AG. I wonder if I were to record an AV1 "locally" at 1080p 60fps then export scaleup to 1440p 60fps, what would be your recommend Bitrate in this scenario?🎉

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Higher bitrate is always better, if you can use it at higher levels, just do it :D

@spindragonkiller Жыл бұрын

@AncientGameplays I will try to crank bitrate up. thanks AG! I think I may need to try ai upscaling as normal upscale resulted in a bit blurry from FHD to 2K and 4K. (alas,my monitor is only 1080P supported) keep up the great work, and I subbed!

@hernanzambroni7181 Жыл бұрын

Hey Fabio which are your toughts about your first Asrock brand gpu 6950XT ?

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Love it so far

@makingzebraop. 4 ай бұрын

I have Amd rx 6600 graphic card and i5 12 gen and My network downloading speed is 25 mbps and uploading is 20-25 mbps which encoder is best for me and how much much bitrate is good for me .... I hope you can help me Thnx 🥰

@sovelissfiremane 10 ай бұрын

Would you say that using AV1 at 75Mbps is good enough for recording in 4k? Provided that one has powerful enough hardware, that is.

@AncientGameplays 10 ай бұрын

that's more than enough. I would say AV1 4K 50Mbps would be more than enough usually

@camp1na325 Жыл бұрын

👍

@yevolution 10 ай бұрын

What do you think is the best birate for 1080p to make sure that all games being streamed are crispy ?

@AncientGameplays 10 ай бұрын

Its all shown in the video

@yevolution 10 ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays Is it still worth it to go beyond 15mbps for 1080p ? since you did say that the higher the bitrate is better

@johnhughes9766 Жыл бұрын

Great video, what codec is nvenc ? As that’s what it come up with in obs for me

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Nvenc is just like amf. It can be nvenc avc, nvenc hevc or nvenc av1

@johnhughes9766 Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays any idea what the 2080ti uses ? I know it’s not av1

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

@@johnhughes9766 the 2080ti has at max HEVC

@Munky332 9 ай бұрын

I'm more interested in how AV1 competes against HEVC in VR scenarios. Meta(Oculus)'s new Quest 3 is supposed to support AV1. The problem is that so few GPUs offer it an encode except the newest gen 4000/7000/Intel cards, and I'm already on a 6900xt so I'm not upgrading any time soon even if AV1 is better. My question is, how is the latency? I know that was one of the reasons that H.264 was preferred over H.265 for Quest 2 streaming for the longest time because the latency was just dogshit. how much performance hit is there doing CPU encode vs GPU encode with AV1? I mean, most of my cores aren't being used with the games I play, so if pushing AV1 via CPU is an option, and my other cores finally get used, is it really a big deal?

@AncientGameplays 9 ай бұрын

is AV1 is supported, the base line is "use it"

@Phat_trick910 9 ай бұрын

6000 support av1

@AncientGameplays 9 ай бұрын

@@Phat_trick910 no

@Munky332 9 ай бұрын

@@Phat_trick910 Partially Wrong, It supports DECODE of AV1, NOT ENCODE, which is necessary to send AV1 to either twitch, youtube, or in this case, to the Quest. AV1 ENCODE is only only supported by AMD 7000, Intel ARC, or Nvidia 4000

@TheVektast 9 ай бұрын

AV1 gpu encode is pretty bad and has much higher latency than Hevc.

@JayzBeerz Жыл бұрын

Hey bro does the 4080 have the AV1 encoder?

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Yes, why don't you guys watch the video...

@JayzBeerz Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays I did. 💜

@JohnDoe-ip3oq 8 ай бұрын

The problem with avc is encoders supporting AMD's improvements starting with RDNA 2. I bet they're still using GCN code paths.

@TannerDuran 2 ай бұрын

So moral of the story, the baseline to aim for is usually HEVC, but AV1 is the best case scenario rn- assuming your system can handle it. Now I just gotta figure out the best settings and stuff to stream on yt and twitch using an i5 13600k paired with radeon rx 7900 gre.

@AncientGameplays 2 ай бұрын

I have a video for those settings as well

@kshitijrastogi1 Ай бұрын

My AV1 recorded videos doesn't work in premiere pro any solutions?

@AncientGameplays 29 күн бұрын

Premiere doesn't support them, speak to adobe..m

@syrynx4454 Жыл бұрын

What about 30 mbps or 50 mbps at 1440p, would there be any difference in quality?

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Yes, higher bitrate always looks better

@potataoDOCE 6 ай бұрын

então vc particularmente nos seus videos tu usa hevc?

@AncientGameplays 6 ай бұрын

Sim, por causa do programa de edição

@SirWolf2018 Жыл бұрын

When I watch Twitch, my GPU power consumption goes up to 30-40W. On KZfaq, up to 16-20W on my RX 6800. AV1 or HEVC, whichever it is, must be so efficient, apart from looking so clear.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Yeah, not only that, resolution also matters, and the overall platform gpu usage

@kagetora03 Жыл бұрын

can u make a video where u compare AMD's and Nvidia's AV1 encoding?

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

I could possibly do it I guess

@LingWinny27 9 ай бұрын

For AMD AVC, here's the best settings I've got with FFmpeg: EnablePreAnalysis=true RateControlPreanalysisEnable=false PAPerceptualAQMode=1 PATemporalAQMode=2 MaxConsecutiveBPictures=1 PASceneChangeDetectionEnable=false PAHighMotionQualityBoostMode=1 PACAQStrength=2 Took me a week of testing stuff and this is the best AMD H264 will get at the moment for Twitch..but even after all of this testing, I'm switching to KZfaq since I bought a RX 6950 XT months ago so HEVC it is for me !

@itsfmg9194 6 ай бұрын

How do find those settings ?

@LingWinny27 6 ай бұрын

@@itsfmg9194 in your OBS or StreamLabs OBS settings > Output > AMF/FFmpeg. Then paste the lines there

@NOURNOVEY 4 ай бұрын

Can I do 2 pass encoding with amf encoders?

@LingWinny27 4 ай бұрын

@@NOURNOVEY Pre-Analysis is basically two pass encoding

@pookano 4 ай бұрын

Why AV1 still not using in some streaming software? In OBS only for recording, not streaming..

@AncientGameplays 4 ай бұрын

as shown OBS supports AV1, your streaming service doesn't. That's the issue

@pookano 4 ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays what streaming service support it then?

@EternalOhm 4 ай бұрын

@@pookano KZfaq and Discord if you count streaming to your friends on discord as a streaming service. Twitch has plans to roll out AV1 support, but that's about it.

@stevenanderson3205 Жыл бұрын

I understand AV1 is also open source so no cost to companies to use it.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Exactly, the same for AVC, and HEVC costs 1€ to the user

@josezapata6568 Ай бұрын

whenever i try to record with av1 it says i cant see my vid but i can still hear it

@AncientGameplays Ай бұрын

You need to have codecs for it...

@Prospaect Жыл бұрын

AV1 seems to lack quality details over HEVC. That was very obvious especially on the mountains & buildings, doing the 11:14 run.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

It depends o the scenario but it is overall better

@Prospaect Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays I suppose so, what is better though? does it take less performance, smaller file sizes or what? I havn't quite understood what's so good about it, e.g. compared to Nvenc (h.264).? It does seem solid nonetheless, but I would like to see a comparison on performance (FPS) between Hardware AV1 and Nvenc.

@_B.C_ Жыл бұрын

Any speculation as to when twitch will allow av1?

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Don't really know

@Anth0ny85 9 ай бұрын

Should i use my cpu (7800x3d) or my gpu rtx 3060 for obs game recording ? Thank you :))

@AncientGameplays 9 ай бұрын

hey, always the GPU. Much better in terms of performance drop

@Anth0ny85 9 ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays Thanks for your answer.

@evilvash0 Жыл бұрын

think i'm gonna buy a RX 7600 for the AV1 to pop in my second machine that captures and replace my 2070S because Av1 still handles lower bitrate way better compared to everything else.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Indeed. I am currently testing the 7600

@evilvash0 Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays kinda miss my old R9 fury before I replaced it with a 2070S back then but 4gb's of vram was pushing it and needed more umph at the time and was lucky before everything got hectic to get a 2070S for lower then MSRP in June 2020 on newegg but preparing for a new purely gaming PC build with hopefully a R9 8950X and a RX 8950xtx if they even come out that is Edit: will be my last build I probably make the hobby is getting to out of control anymore for pricing :)

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

@@evilvash0 indeed...

@evilvash0 Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays thanks for the info and subbed can't wait to see your review on the 7600 maybe get some good ideas on the encoding side of the things and stuff :)

@52no Жыл бұрын

if u need only card for encoder buy intel arc a750 or a380 amd av1 encoder is trash all amd encoders only for marketing and never updated.5 years i use amd cards and have soulsadnes with encoders and quality for streaming an so happy iam with intel and nvidia encoders now.never buy again amd cards this cards dont have normal quality streaming encoders this is marketing scam.wana stream buy intel arc or nvidia.

@user-jg1yp8dx7y 7 ай бұрын

i buy 4060ti and cant activate av1 in obs so for av1 need only 4080 ?

@AncientGameplays 7 ай бұрын

Nah, 4060ti should work, you need to select youtube forst

@marcosvieira6149 Жыл бұрын

Ei fábio, tenho uma dúvida.. 90 graus em temperaturas de hotspot para placas como 6700XT, 5700, 3080 , é uma temperatura muito alta ? lembrando .. no HOTSPOT , ótimo contéudo como sempre amigo.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Viva Marcos, 90C é tranquilo, apenas quando estiver nos 100C os mais é que se deve preocupar

@sekyS Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays você é brasileiro??

@robertomguimaraes Жыл бұрын

@@sekyS lol. Google traduz os comentários.

@ElPerroFlaco19 Жыл бұрын

Its compatible with my ryzen 9 5900x + 6950xt codec av1?

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Watch the video, I explain everything in the Intro

@whitezzpt Жыл бұрын

Av1 only on the 7000 series AMD.

@bobbymoss6160 Жыл бұрын

Shoutout to Nalvara!!!!

@nathanbrown492 10 ай бұрын

What about at very high bitrates (eg. if you have two local devices; a VR headset to a PC, a TV on the network to the PC, etc.)

@AncientGameplays 10 ай бұрын

Hevc and av1 are still better

@nathanbrown492 10 ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays Actually, I don't think so; some Quest Pro users have been switching to h.264 for lower latency and slightly better performance. I found this out after I commented, perhaps you should release a video exploring it from your perspective.

@Zaytehs 29 күн бұрын

So a 3060 doesn’t have av1 encoder?

@AncientGameplays 29 күн бұрын

Nope

@jadadpe3873 5 ай бұрын

Apparently we'll be getting HEVC and AV1 support for twitch in OBS sometime this year. Think its first coming to Nvidia gpus then the others a bit later

@AncientGameplays 5 ай бұрын

if it supports AV1 I doubt it will be nvidia only, but... being nvidia and twitch the way they are...

@leucome 5 ай бұрын

OBS already support AV1 for Intel/AMD GPU and for CPU so it would be weird if it come out on Twitch only for Nvidia.

@dosmasdosesigualacuatro5343 3 ай бұрын

12:09 look at the wall with the lamp, hevc has richer texture detail, those are not artifacts, av1 tends to smooth too much wiping detail in texture, I came to learn that encoding movies where skin looks plastic

@AncientGameplays 3 ай бұрын

av1 and hevc got improved with the 2024 drivers as well.

@akiro_sen 11 ай бұрын

when I go to import the nvenc avi to premiere pro I get the error that it is not compatible

@AncientGameplays 11 ай бұрын

Because your version of premiere may not suport it

@akiro_sen 11 ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays I have the latest version of premiere pro

@akiro_sen 11 ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays what version do you have?

@imrin4059 Жыл бұрын

What monitor are u using?

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Which one

@imrin4059 Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays your main, u have multi?, do you know different on av1 4090 or 4000 vs arc intel cards av1 (i saw som vids like av1 9 av1 8 ) what even is that.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

@@imrin4059 You won't notice much difference overall trust me. Also, my main monitor is LG 34GN850

@robertomguimaraes Жыл бұрын

Pls test av1 codec quality with vmaf in rx7600 vs 4060ti vs a770 in same this video comparison technique

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

The av1 codec is a big bugged on the 7600 since its the first driver it has, but hevc works perfectly

@robertomguimaraes Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays thx for comment sir! Love your channel! I use HEVC in 6750xt and i love it, i was thinking about av1 upgrade, but... i will wait more time after your commment hahahahah

@RFN_Feral 2 ай бұрын

love that but somehow other streaming platforms like Tiktok are not having AV1😢

@AncientGameplays 2 ай бұрын

Tiktok? Dude...

@RFN_Feral 2 ай бұрын

@@AncientGameplays Tiktok Studio for streaming, what’s wrong with that?

@lautyprz 7 ай бұрын

Wich one is better? AOM AV1 or SVT AV1???

@AncientGameplays 7 ай бұрын

Those are cpu sided, very heavy on the cpu

@how2pick4name Жыл бұрын

HEVC encoding sucks on my RX 6800, lots of stuttering but AVC is fine. I record with adrenalin and it's very good imo.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

Then there's something missing there. Recorded for years with my 6800 and hevc with no issues. That's maybe windows, or just missing codec extensions

@how2pick4name Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays I'll have a look, thanks.

@how2pick4name Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays Just got OBS, same thing. Changed practically every setting, no joy. What i did notice was OBS default setting was 1080p output and that seems fine ish. 30000 kbps should be enough. It seems like 4K encoding is the problem. AVC is fine in 4K. P.S. I have video about it if you're interested, with everything I did, converting with avidemux etc. :)

@evilleader1991 Жыл бұрын

@@AncientGameplays I am thinking of streaming with an RX 6800 @ 1440p60 on 15 mbps. Do you think that is enough or should I downscale the stream to 1080p, can't afford higher bitrate because my upload speed is only 20mbps :/.

@AncientGameplays Жыл бұрын

@@evilleader1991 what you want is more mbps if possible. I used to stream at 1440P 30mbps with no issues. If using youtube, use HEVC