Bren 2 Ms vs Virtus

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The Bren 2Ms carbine is on the market. The Bren 2 pistols have been here for a while, but we finally get a chance to shoot the Bren 2 carbine and compare it to the Sig MCX Virtus. These two rifles are directly competing for your dollar, so which one would I choose?
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@bmstylee 4 жыл бұрын

Tim if you want to learn how to suppress things ask KZfaq. They seem to be pretty good at suppressing a lot of things.

@justanotherinternetexpert7743 4 жыл бұрын

OMG .....HAHAHAHA! ....nice!!! Lmao!

@mindcraftpoly8869 4 жыл бұрын

Lol, nice one!

@fubar1217 4 жыл бұрын

Shots fired....LOL

@majikr80 4 жыл бұрын

Good one lol 😆

@aholegunner 4 жыл бұрын

Pew Pew!

@vonherebroadsword3263 4 жыл бұрын

It is time for the gauntlet, rifle addition. CZ vs Sig. Time to show what the rifle can do

@Mr1MOA 4 жыл бұрын

Sand tornado test AKOU style!!!

@Credit87 4 жыл бұрын

Rifle EDITION

@rubbledubble8536 3 жыл бұрын

@@Credit87 and Justin it Jordan u

@goldnav 4 жыл бұрын

For a second I thought the title said “bren VS. Virus” lmao

@justanotherinternetexpert7743 4 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha!

@armoredman 4 жыл бұрын

I did AR vs Virus, didn't go over as well as I'd hoped. :)

@AlphariusMemegon 4 жыл бұрын

The thing that gets me about Sig is that they don't like to have their parts sold anywhere else. I have a Rattler. The case deflector is too small on it to reliably keep the empty cases from hitting me as a left handed shooter. A standard MCX deflector will fit the Rattler, and will definitely do a better job. However, it was years before I even had the ability to get one because Sig refused to sell it to me and nobody else had them.

@bombsaway6340 4 жыл бұрын

Austin Laverty if you can’t get parts the gun only serves as a collectors item

@davidbeck305 4 жыл бұрын

FN is about as bad with the SCAR series.

@gunfisher4661 4 жыл бұрын

In cases like that one should partner up with some one that has an MCX and order a replacement part thru them if possible using warranty. Just a thought.

@AlphariusMemegon 4 жыл бұрын

@Pap deisel I can understand that Sig would be the only one making it since it is a pretty weird part. But not being able to get my hands on parts without sending the gun back to them is unacceptable. Thankfully, they now have a small parts shop on their site. It's still crap, and it's still sig controlling the parts, but it's better than it used to be.

@jacobbeard7186 4 жыл бұрын

The p365 actually has a lot of aftermarket support building around it outside of sig, so sig isnt all bad. I dont like their business model though.

@Brokkolesz 4 жыл бұрын

Hungary adopted the Bren 2. The instruction manual says that the smaller port is for firing in normal conditions, the larger port is for firing in adverse conditions (like sand, jungle), and the off position is for long term storage after cleaning.

@Rx-xR 4 жыл бұрын

I suspect that since the company says not to use a suppressor with the gas system, that the off-position would also double as the suppressor setting, so you'd basically be shooting a suppressed bolt-gun.

@flopus7 3 жыл бұрын

I thought the no gas was a legacy rifle grenade setting

@zoltancsikos5604 Жыл бұрын

I find it so odd that a few males from Hungary want to go around on every video trying to brag about this garbage rifle which is getting replaced only a few years after the contract to acquire these were signed.

@Brokkolesz Жыл бұрын

@@zoltancsikos5604 What makes you think these are getting replaced? I'm in the army, it's not getting replaced. And it's not a garbage at all, the magazines we ordered are just simply shitty (not factory spec magazines)

@bohicagaming4462 6 ай бұрын

@@zoltancsikos5604you call it garbage meanwhile it has a problem track record in Ukraine lol

@son12509 4 жыл бұрын

Both piston driven 556 carbines, one has ar 15 charging handle (trash) and the other has ambi, side charging and amazing bolt hold open and release controls. Bren 2 all day every day.

@agbond003 4 жыл бұрын

Competing for my dollar? I’m over here waiting for PSA blem build kit to drop below $399

@alexmaurice4274 4 жыл бұрын

😂i feel

@gunfisher4661 4 жыл бұрын

That might be risky considering prices starting to rise on ammo and such.

@HandGrenadeATmine 4 жыл бұрын

Same, i don’t understand who can afford to throw $2000+ at these guns. i would rather get cheap AR-15s and cheap military surplus rifles.

@samabinguap8303 4 жыл бұрын

@@HandGrenadeATmine lol broke af

@dannyg6045 4 жыл бұрын

Even if I had 10million in the bank I wouldn't drop 2k on these rifles.

@Mrgunsngear 4 жыл бұрын

great info

@NinjaEnShort 4 жыл бұрын

For me it's going to be a Bren 2. The MCX is essentially a short stroke AR15 that's way more front heavy and sacrifices the slim profile of the original to accommodate the piston... I also can't get a proper cheekweld on that stock and find it uncomfortable in general. If I want an AR, piston or not, I'll go for an AR.

@bengriggs1344 4 жыл бұрын

I purchased a Primary Weapons Systems .223 Wylde upper receiver for my pistol lower. It is a long stroke piston, like an AK, with an 11.85 inch barrel. The entire, complete upper was under $600 and it has a three position gas system. I absolutely love that thing and it shoots very softly and very reliably. I agree with you, if I wanted an AR, I would stick with a standard AR that I can use virtually any other upper receiver with, and with PWS making piston uppers that are available, you can have the best of both worlds.

@balthezor 4 жыл бұрын

You are on top of it Mac. I was looking forward to this. Thanks

@twinturboaddict 4 жыл бұрын

I just got my FDE Virtus about 2 weeks ago. Had to hunt it down. I could not find them anywhere. I love it already. Extremely nice rifle and amazing shooter.

@chrislacey5979 4 жыл бұрын

The gas cuttof choice is likely a legacy option for sales to EU and former soviet military block militaries. It's used for firing rifle grenades which are still in common use. Hope this helps.

@GammaRayTrae 4 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love my Sig MCX and I’m not changing for anything. I’ve never had an issue with it, it’s super accurate with all ammunition, and most importantly mine came with backup sights before the craze of buy your own separate

@chrisimes478 4 жыл бұрын

Just ordered the BREN 2 after your last video and even though you didn't choose it I am so glad I did. Something different then the standard AR look style we all have and ever since I bought my Shadow 2 then the P10c Then the Scorpion EVO 3 I had to round it out with the Bren 2. I have been waiting for 3 years since I saw the first Bren 2 and now I got one shipping my way. I just ordered it after your video the other day! Thanks for all the killer contact MAC!!!!!!!

@StonerAR10 11 ай бұрын

I went with the Bren 2 as well. I have 2 Virtus and 2 Bren 2 . Love them both. I'm happy the Bren 2 has the heavy barrel.

@motoriderguy3854 9 ай бұрын

@StonerAR10 do you think the heavy barrel helps it shoot softer ? I just picked one up ,and was a little concerned with the balance .

@SBHounds14 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Tim! Just the comparison I was looking for

@lisar3006 4 жыл бұрын

I worked hard to get my old PD to buy the Sig-P220 to replace our S&W model 19's in 1987 over the Glock and they are still using the very same weapons all these years later. You can't beat Sig for dependability even if they do cost much more and i like the positive piston gas system over direct gas operation.

@69deputy 4 жыл бұрын

The old sig is not the same as the current sig!

@elliottbutts153 4 жыл бұрын

I sold my MCX after acquiring my Bren 805 S1. 2 years later with still no regrets. I don’t have a bolt release on any of my AK’s either but somehow I manage. Maybe I prefer a similar battery of arms, a lefty and use to what I’m use too

@stephenj6203 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see an Accuracy test of the Bren 2.

@davegeorge2307 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear about your rotator cuff, hope you heal quickly, thanks for your great reviews and content, could you do some more hand cannons? Semper Fi

@brentchuck1664 4 жыл бұрын

Wow. MAC picked another sig?! Anyone else feel like Tim picking a Sig over the Bren 2 is another sign that 2020 is bringing the apocalypse?

@chrisclark6161 4 жыл бұрын

I'm not actually surprised. Quality control issues of the past aside, Sig is making great products. The small details on the MCX are better done than they are on the Bren 2 in my opinion, so I actually agree. The exception is the Bren 2 in x39. I'm so glad someone finally had the balls to ditch antiquated AK mags and make good mags for x39.

@Colonel1Bravo 4 жыл бұрын

I’m with you. I have a Bren 2Ms in 5.56. It’s a nice little rifle for that caliber. That said, unlike most people, I don’t believe it is a replacement for my SCAR17 at all and I like many things about the SCAR better (I would feel the same in either caliber scar, and yes they want too damn much for a scar). On another point, I have had plenty of experiences with the SIG’s since the very early 1990’s and for the life of me I just cannot recommend any of their products. I know it’s hit or miss with them. CZ makes good stuff that runs no matter what. These guns are for recreation, but if I needed one to save my life, I just think SIG fails consistently.

@vocenoctum2046 4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the SIG is as close as you can get to an AR15 without being an AR15...

@rmclr92 4 жыл бұрын

@@vocenoctum2046 Yes. Which begs the question: what makes an AR and AR, and when does it stop being an AR? 🤔

@Swissk31300BO 4 жыл бұрын

@@Colonel1Bravo how would the Bren 2 in 556 be a replacement for your scar 17 in the first place? 556 doesn't equal 308 and the Bren 2 in 308 is probably never getting to the us at this rate.

@nolanmonahan7144 4 жыл бұрын

I'm 1:05 in and hes gonna pick the Virtus

@Troubadour313 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, not a huge shock he picked the AR. They coulda went through objective testing and the Bren 2 coulda won by miles, but it was always going to be the one that was closest to an AR.

@Mr1MOA 4 жыл бұрын

Considering I already have a SIG MCX, although it is the first generation model, and availability of the MCX Virtus is literally non-existent, I decided to get the CZ Bren 2. Thanks Tim for the comparison video.

@baconx4 4 жыл бұрын

Was able to get a Bren2 14" pistol before the pandemic prices hit. Love it!!!

@aceman1126 4 жыл бұрын

Going with a brace or sbr?

@SA-xf1eb 4 жыл бұрын

Need a Bren in 6.5 Grendel.

@BlitzPig23 4 жыл бұрын

So much this.

@jessesimmons4503 4 жыл бұрын

Indeed a 6.5 grendel pistol format.

@djdecember1 4 жыл бұрын

.308

@boygonewhoopdataZZ 4 жыл бұрын

308 and Grendel are interchange.

@jten1116 4 жыл бұрын

@Nicholas Rodriguez What the heck you two are talking about??? None of your crap is correct. 6,5(mm) Grendel is interchangeable with 5,56(mm) ?? 308 (7,62mm) is interchangeable with 6,5(mm) Creedmore ??? How do you interchange them, put JB Weld on a chamber? If you mean that in AR15 6,5 Grendel upper fits 5,56N lower, correct, but mags are not interchangeable. Same thing with AR10 with 308 and 6,5 Creedmore. None of these have anything to do with Bren though, it's not an AR-platform rifle.

@skoolerb8779 4 жыл бұрын

My Sig MCX Virtus is my go to rifle! Love it! Have .300 BLK and 5.56 barrels.

@cr0ss0ut 4 жыл бұрын

There are people drilling out the "OFF" gas port setting on the bren to .9mm for the pistols for a supressor setting with great success. Id be willing to try that out when replacement gas ports become available. That said ive ran a can on my 8" bren pistol with no issues whatsoever. Ejection pattern looks slightly more forward but it doesn't feel like its slamming things around inside the gun.

@jerryjohnsonii4181 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome versus video. I like the CZ BERN 2Ms myself. Hope your shoulder gets better, Tim MAC for Life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@RoofKoreanConcepts 4 жыл бұрын

Great comparison video. I opted for the MCX Virtus Patrol, but the handguard is super chonky. Definitely like how that 12" handguard looks with the 16" barrel; I'm guessing it helps a bit with the weightiness out front too. Great content, thanks!

@FNG_Star 4 жыл бұрын

Tim good luck with your shoulder. I had a rotator cup tear repaired last year and its takes a long time to get back to normal. Lots of therapy. Hope it helps

@jimr880 2 жыл бұрын

So many decision from a home defense standpoint. I'm an old iron sights kinda guy and love my 20" barrel AR-15, which serve me well from 6 ft. to 600 yards. Although I have an 16" barrel M4, with scope, that's a bit more tactical, it's best suited for that 50-200 yard range. We're good on handguns, so I'm now looking for that tactical .223/5.56 and both of these fit the bill. Instead of going back and forth on the issue and driving myself crazy, I've decided to pickup both the Sig MCX Virtus and CZ Bren 2 for the reasons mentioned: my intimate familiarity for the AR platform and total unfamiliarity with CZ rifles platforms, but I've never had one reliability issue with their pistols. So what the heck. Excellent comparison video. Cheers!

@mr.kalash7555 4 жыл бұрын

Thank god, I've been waiting for someone to do this review!

@Siasquatch 4 жыл бұрын

I am planning on getting two new rifles later this year, one is the PSA AK74 (when they finally release), and no joke the other was between the two rifles in this video. Thank you for the awesome video and valuable information presented here today. I think I will try the Sig.

@CSmothersForge 4 жыл бұрын

I’m rifle configuration I like the virtus. But in pistol, I usually pick my Bren over my virtus pistol

@Siasquatch 4 жыл бұрын

@@CSmothersForge Thank you for that information. I appreciate you sharing your experience and I like to hear from people who have hand on (like yourself). If anyone else wants to share their experience below, please do so.

@CSmothersForge 4 жыл бұрын

Siasquatch understandable when I bought mine there was like one video of the gun (Bren). But overall I’m very pleased with the Bren and being a lefty the Bren is more comfortable to operate. Because the virtus lacks a ambi bolt release so I find myself running it just like my ARs. That’s really the only gripe with the virtus

@steved5871 4 жыл бұрын

I've had my Virtus for about two years now. I can honestly say I love it. It runs flawlessly. Just double check the torque on the barrel retaining screws when you get it. The accuracy on mine was a little disappointing when I first shot it. I ran across another review that mentioned his were not to spec. When he tightened them up the accuracy improved. Mine was the same way. Groups went from 3-4 inches down to 1-1.5.

@GrottyWanker69 4 жыл бұрын

@@Siasquatch I have an 11" Bren 2 Pistol. It's absolutely amazing, and I would take it over every single other rifle on the market. It shoots as smooth as longer, heaver guns, and it's a feather weight at around 6.5 lbs with a brace and MRO

@sogerc1 4 жыл бұрын

Familiar does not mean better. You can always improve yourself while the virtus will always have the clumsy charging handle. I'd like to try the bren, seems even better than the scar in handling.

@TROOPERfarcry 4 жыл бұрын

I bought a Sig MPX... then they came out with the Gen II, and it has limited parts compatibility with Gen I. Gen I does not deliver on the caliber swap options touted by Sig. Sig's response is to offer a reduced price for a Gen II upper. That's nice... just pay more and you'll get what they said you'd get. I resent being a test-bed for manufacturers. CZ made the Bren 805... listened to customer feedback, then released the Bren 2. That makes sense. Because they didn't deliver with the Bren 2 what they had *promised* with the Bren 1.

@stackscustominc1 4 жыл бұрын

You can have the virtus, I'll take the CZ. I like the look of the handguard and like being able to get parts for it even if they discontinue it. Big fan of the Griffin sights as well, they're simple and cheap and they seem to hold up

@usernamunavailiable 4 жыл бұрын

Just got a Griffin rear BUIS for one of my rifles. Unfortunately it was missing the set screw to assemble it. Emailed them and within a couple of hours the said they'd send one out. Unfortunately that's where the US Postal Service comes in and shits on everything. It's 3 days before I get any change on the tracking number, and it's in New Jersey, not Ohio.

@TheCowboymateo 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. Love it

@smithremedy9 4 жыл бұрын

seems like the "off" position would be a great spot to drill a port tuned for your chosen suppressor. Make it the perfect suppressor host. I wish CZ would do that from factory, and hopefully someone offers an aftermarket plug at somepoint, but I think that would be a great option.

@oo7kamikaze 4 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. As long as you can readily snag a new gas valve on the off chance you screw it up that would be the perfect solution.

@richardnamber813 4 жыл бұрын

How's the 11in pistol do with the can?

@paintballplayer700 3 жыл бұрын

HB Industries offers exactly this service now. They will drill your plug with a suppressor-tuned port size.

@Scott-qq9jd 4 жыл бұрын

I was impressed by SIG's spare part availability. I was able to buy a kit of all the parts that need periodic replacement on my old West German P225.

@justanotherinternetexpert7743 4 жыл бұрын

This is exactly the video i have been wanting to see some one make. And Of course its MAC, giving the gun community what it needs when it needs it. THANKS MAC GREAT VIDEO! ......stimulus check is going towards a bren 2(not sure of barrel length yet 11, 14.5, or 16), sig mcx virtus 11" pistol, or a POF revolution 12.5" pistol......choices, choices, choices!

@Hawgacydal 4 жыл бұрын

Depending on what you plan on using it for may help you decide what barrel length you go with. I purchased the Bren2 in 14" pistol and did a pin a weld job with a muzzle brake. I'm very satisfied with it, not to mention it's 7.62x39. I put the HB Industries trigger and the Dan Haga ACR stock adapter. Haven't shot it yet, waiting on range membership to come back approved, but I've got over 2,000 rounds of steel case ready to burn through it.

@justanotherinternetexpert7743 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hawgacydal NICE! ......yeah i have absolutely no real NEED for another gun. The hoard of them I own already covers pretty much any situation that could come up where a gun would be useful. .....IT IS A WANT AND THE PROBLEM IS .....I WANT THEM ALL!!....lmao! Thanks man for your advice i appreciate it!

@justanotherinternetexpert7743 4 жыл бұрын

@@bustabeans7917 i dont know if this helps or makes it harder. But i own a p415 10.5 inch and LOVE IT. i also own a pof renegade plus 10.5" in 300blk(my go to home defense gun) and a pof p308 they all ran flawless out of the box with alittle oil on the bcg. I like the pws mod 2, but i saw a video with iraqvet8888 with him testing the p415 and decided to buy that instead, ever since i have been a pof fan boy, Lmao, they make nice guns......i am on edge about the virtus, i like the operating system but i actually think its kinda ugly. And the fact that it is not full ambi, has me putting it last in my list. But looks are subjective, and the only reason i want full ambi controls is because i am left handed. Lol

@justanotherinternetexpert7743 4 жыл бұрын

@@bustabeans7917 no suppressor yet sorry. But no grit on the handguard no. I mean the piston system gets dirty, they all do, but it does not get out to the handguard, not on the p415. ....have you looked at lwrc? I have a lwrc ic-a5 six8 that is pretty nice as well. The only thing i dont like about the lwrc is it is barrel heavy, all piston guns are alittle bit. But the p415 feels more balanced then the lwrc, they are both 10.5 inch barrels idk how the longer barrel versions feel tho. And the lwrc has a very loud "sprong" sound in the buffer tube. But that can be mitigated by a voltor system or jp silent spring. Sorry i could not help with your suppressor questions. I will say tho, i belong to a POF facebook group, and LOTS of people on there have suppressors on their guns, i know from what they say that if you have issues with your gun when you suppress it, POF will tune the gun for you to run specific with your suppressor, pof is pretty good at taking care of there clients, lwrc as well. Ok i know that does not exactly answer your questions but i hope it helps........just reread your post you said GIRTHY not gritty. My bad, ....um no it fits my hand well, obviously its alittle bigger then the renegade plus, because it has to fit the piston system but it is VERY comfortable, and i have no issues c clamping it.

@bittamoss1502 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hawgacydal Which Muzzle brake did you used for your Bren 2 ?

@pistolperrynoya9469 4 жыл бұрын

CZ Bren 100%! I have the pistol in 7.62x39 and its superb, maybe my favorite! Gotta have the carbine version! Great video thanks for doing it! Sorry to hear about your shoulder, hope it heals quickly.

@biggboysouth 4 жыл бұрын

I have the 11.5 inch 5.56 version. Really love it and is growing into my favorite rifle. How's the recoil for the 7.62? I was reading one user on the forums complaining that it was sharp. I really like to eventually have a 9 inch 7.62 rifle also as well as a carbine of course although I'd personally prefer a lighter weight barrel.

@jameshall7866 4 жыл бұрын

Does yours get pretty hot?

@jameshall7866 4 жыл бұрын

biggboy I have a zhukov stock with dan Haga insert and a double star brace (aluminum) and it bruised me and my son pretty good lol.

@pistolperrynoya9469 4 жыл бұрын

biggboysouth lightest and smoothest shooting weapon in 7.62x39 i have ever shot. Zero complaints; I’m beginning to like it even more than my 5.56 guns if that means anything about recoil.

@pistolperrynoya9469 4 жыл бұрын

James Hall no but i have only put about 120 rounds down range in any one sitting.

@ferebeefamily 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video.

@infantry237 4 жыл бұрын

I have both just picked up the Bren 2 Carbine on Friday. I took both to the range today and after about 500 rounds down range with both I would pick the Bren.

@kurtkenehan8017 4 жыл бұрын

How did you get yours? did you order directly from cz?

@infantry237 4 жыл бұрын

@@kurtkenehan8017 I picked it up on Gun Broker one of the first ones that was listed.

@mattmorrison9379 4 жыл бұрын

When one cant decide between 2 similar rifles I'd go with the import. Better possibility of being collectible down the road imo. And to Tim and others involved in MAC thank for all you do and know that you can better a person's day with your content.

@unpietraselvatico7912 4 жыл бұрын

Genesis23OPB I'd love to get my hand on an APC223 but it costs 3k plus here in Italy unfortunately. Looks sick tho!

@mattmorrison9379 4 жыл бұрын

@@Genesis23OPB fair enough on the point of parts availability, but with the abundance of good ar15 type rifles to shoot and own in the states I'd always go with the import.simply for collectibility. Not saying the sig is a AR I just mean theres many options for a fighting rifle is all

@xenonram 4 жыл бұрын

Aren't they both imports?

@mattmorrison9379 4 жыл бұрын

@@Genesis23OPB Are the Swiss SG556 commanding a premium as they are in the states? They fetch around 3500.00 usd

@mattmorrison9379 4 жыл бұрын

@@Genesis23OPB Ah I see. Ya the Swiss SAN SG 550P is the way to go over the sig 556. I believe SAN stands for Swiss Arms Newhousen. Forgive my spelling lol. Very cool to hear prices from around the world.

@luissantiago5163 4 жыл бұрын

Oh awesome! Love VS vids. Cheers

@morski5060 4 жыл бұрын

the "off" setting is probably made for shooting blanks during some occasions by honor guards. Pretty common in post-soviet countries, idk if you have the same in US

@Kildaer 4 жыл бұрын

The off setting is also used for rifle grenades, but yeah it has no use for the American market, unless you can somehow convince California that it isn't semiautomatic. However every gas block system that I have seen for California is a replacement part as I doubt that they would allow the user to adjust to semi automatic out on the field.

@jasestrong 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Devil Dog , I really enjoy your videos and feel they are geared to the end line user . I purchase a lot of your reviews

@vocenoctum2046 4 жыл бұрын

I really liked the idea of the pic rail for stock/ brace attachment, so it was a selling point for me on a gun I purchased. But then, shopping around, there was very little selection for stuff to actually put on them. All of them have the same skinny setup as pictured here, really. So I ended up getting a AR adapter anyway.

@ung427 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Tim, you'd definitely want the ability to turn the gas all the way off for ownership in states like California and such. That's how I have my Adams Arms piston systems installed, with the gas turned all the way off, then you can take the piston out and you have a bolt action. This way you can use your 30 round magazines, or even 60 round drum magazines because it is a bolt action. You don't have to have bullet buttons or silly fins hanging all over the rifle. Without the piston rod installed and the gas turned off, there is no way to make it semi-auto.. and then at the same time when you are out shooting somewhere you can always use the piston, but then take it back out when you need to, like during transport, when your shooting/plinking spotters spot a patrol car coming up the highway, and what not and what have you.

@robertmartin8668 2 жыл бұрын

Love your channel bud. I love that Bren 2 and I actually like the front end on it better than the Virtus. Its all personal preference at that point. Great video, thank you.

@intelmike181 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great video MAC! I wonder if you would still prefer any sig over the CZ in 7.62... Battle of the .308s: Bren vs. 716 vs. SCAR? Hope your shoulder gets better.

@collinis1 4 жыл бұрын

intelmike181 I think the 716 is pretty dead in the market. It would probably be best to compare it to the .308 sized Mcx thing that sig is making for the new 6.8 military contract

@justanotherinternetexpert7743 4 жыл бұрын

Bren Br .308 vs Scar vs POF REVOLUTION PISTON AND D.I. VS LWRC REPR VS XCR VS NEMO ARMS .308 VS LMT MWS .308 VS .....THE KING OF THE TRAILER PARK PSA .308 FREEDOM LINE!!! .........LMAO BATTLE ROYAL!!!

@Swissk31300BO 4 жыл бұрын

Can't compare a 308 bren when it doesn't exist in the civilian market. Easily my biggest problem with CZ. They been hyping it for years.

@TRUTHISABSOLUTE777 4 жыл бұрын

@@justanotherinternetexpert7743 forgot the one that could actually win in a lot of people's minds..PWS. The most underrated of them all. PWS is that sleeper car that you didn't tgink much of.. till it smokes you on the red light.

@justanotherinternetexpert7743 4 жыл бұрын

@@TRUTHISABSOLUTE777 lmao i did forget about PWS, they are cool rifles, but i dont about smoking the rest of the list. Thats a pretty strong list i put up there. ....i also forgot KAC SR-25 ....i must have been watching dwarf porn and gun videos at the same time and got distracted again.....my bad! Lmao!

@RickNethery 4 жыл бұрын

Sad to hear that your rotator cuff is hurting. Hope you heal up soon. I like the looks of that Bren, it appears to have a slight drop at comb, it looks like it would be easier to look down the top of the barrel and line up the sights. Great comparison.

@DoloMissionz 3 жыл бұрын

Just the video I was looking for

@jameskelly9711 4 жыл бұрын

I complete[y agree with your comment about small diameter handguards.... some almost make an AR look like a muzzle loader.

@chimpmunkboy8850 3 жыл бұрын

I have a SIG MPX but the quality comment helped me decide to go with BCM for my next AR.

@silverrado58 3 жыл бұрын

Tim in the past what I've read about gas selectors being turned to the off position for two reasons. 1. For complete silence in a sniper roll, 2. Don't know if these type of grenades are used anymore but in the past they needed the full implementation of the gas to launch the grenade that was placed over the barrel.

@mr.mercury4247 4 жыл бұрын

I feel like the only way to really know what you want (at least with firearms) is to handle them in person. And good luck finding a gun store anywhere near you that has even one of these in stock let alone both of them.

@doublezzranch849 4 жыл бұрын

Comparing the two are always my favorite videos. QUESTION : Did you change the gas jet on your SCAR 17?

@austin316rt 4 жыл бұрын

I read some where that for CZ to get the Bren 2 BR into the US market they need to make a 922(r) compliant version and wait 6 month to a year for the ATF to approve shipment :(

@timothybarron7754 4 жыл бұрын

Would be nice to see the B&T APC223 in the mix too

@fatrown3 3 жыл бұрын

Bren calls to me. Virtus also calls to me, But at a decibel or two lower volume

@PhalanxR 4 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see more X95 content. Ive watched about every X95 vid on youtube including yours. Would love to see it ran through a class, or how you store it in your jeep etc.

@tylerwarren8399 4 жыл бұрын

One thing you didn't cover in this video that I feel is crucial in deciding between the two. How do they 80's action movie bump/hip fire? Thanks Tim for being one of the voices of intelligent discussion in our community, yet not forgetting how to have fun in the process. Yours is one of the first channels I reccomend to new gun owners to show we as a community are welcoming, and there is a rich culture to be found.

@Arleys617 4 жыл бұрын

Check out his CZ Bren 2 review video. He bumpfired it and it looked amazing. He was giggling with happiness.

@rockelino 4 жыл бұрын

Please do a review on the Sig 516!

@injuredoutdoorsman9011 4 жыл бұрын

The off gas position is designed for suppressed shooting when you don’t want the added noise of the bolt cycling.

@fubar1217 4 жыл бұрын

@Fui Gebhardt1 Mall ninja-esque or not, it's probably gonna sell some guns for them.

@kalapuikko666 4 жыл бұрын

My guess is for riflegrenades.

@fubar1217 4 жыл бұрын

@@kalapuikko666 See I thought that too....then I thought, "who still uses those?"

@kalapuikko666 4 жыл бұрын

@@fubar1217 French use rifle grenades on their 14,5" HK416.

@JustinOpinionChannel 4 жыл бұрын

My (very limited) understanding of the purpose of an "off" setting for the gas system would be for extreme stealth when suppressed. Think of a sniper who needs to make a single shot and does not want the cycling of the action to make noise. I could be mistaken on CZ's purpose - but that is one possible explanation.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD 4 жыл бұрын

Military rifles often come with gas cut-offs for the purpose of launching rifle grenades, not sniping.

@PpAirO5 3 жыл бұрын

This is my favourite "Go to" firearms channel 👍

@ephi0379 4 жыл бұрын

Suppressing the Virtus is going to give you a different gas experience than suppressing your original MCX. Would love to see you do a comparison video

@spacepimp 4 жыл бұрын

Good choice. I have the original MCX pistol. Love it.

@texasghost6725 4 жыл бұрын

I was set on a mcx, went to my lgs to get it. I pulled it off the rack and was barely able to lift it high enough to put it back on the rack. Went home and ordered a sr15 mod2. Although lighter, I’m not completely impressed with it. Upper/lower fit is sloppy. Lower rattles when you shake it, without the buffer in it. The qd socket on my urx4 mlok won’t hold a sling and it had a dime sized rash on the finish by the knights logo on the mag well. Not good enough for 2300 bucks. Next ones going to be a triarc or solgw.

@Kylesjeep 4 жыл бұрын

I like the MCX even tho I’m only 5 miles from the CZ factory here in KCMO. I’m with you on that decision they are both excellent rifles and I’d love to have either one!

@cccalifornia7206 4 жыл бұрын

In watching you shoot booth..... You seem to shoot the Bren 2 better with less recoil also! I vote for the "BREN 2" for you and for me.... LOL. 👏😎👍

@texasranger24 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, if an Ar-15ish rifle has a gas piston it might as well have a forward charging handle, Adcor-style.

@bobibobilli1537 4 жыл бұрын

I never shot either but I like how the Bren looks.

@tilvalhalla9343 3 жыл бұрын

yeah idk what hes talking about it being ugly. the gun is absolutely gorgeous. i love mine to death. its the only rifle i shoot now

@ACOGLMT556 4 жыл бұрын

My virtus thats less then a month old came with iron sights, didnt come witg a lancer mag or the vice block that i saw others come with though. Wish I could take it out shooting but it has become prohibited before I even got it in hand.

@KM_1983 3 жыл бұрын

They have the 1913 adapters for mounting the sig stock on the Bren 2 now.

@ayyyota 4 жыл бұрын

Biggest issues I've got with the CZ are: * grip module (hopefully someone comes out with a replacement lower/grip area) * handguard (I know HBI makes some parts, but we need more) I ended up with the Virtus Pistol - got a screaming deal on it for $1500 in 556 11.5". Overall I'm glad I went with it instead of the CZ.

@scrumdiddily6162 Жыл бұрын

It seems at this point it’s down to preference. Which is fine, I’m glad 2 reliable, accurate and well made rifles are available

@logangarrison1775 4 жыл бұрын

Tim i would love to see a Gauntlet series of videos for popular rifles. DO IT DO IT DO IT! PLZ

@scrumdiddily6162 Жыл бұрын

The fact that they’re both comparable to each other is awesome, I see no downside to two Awesome rifles being readily available

@craigsteinkamp12 4 жыл бұрын

It may be fudd lore but I heard that the off position for a piston operated gun was for rifle grenades and to suppress the firearm. With the gas off the action won’t cycle and you may have an increase in decibel deduction.

@christophertmiller1360 2 жыл бұрын

I just saw a video on the cz 805 bren . The shooter complained when took a shot gases would come out of the back of the rifle.

@coldcanuck6091 4 жыл бұрын

I too am having difficulty with my right shoulder rotator cuff. I just had a partial left knee replacement that started out just fine but then recoup took a turn in the wrong direction, so I won't be getting shoulder surgery anytime soon. I'm looking for a decent shoulder doc to get a steroid injection. Good luck with yours, Tim.

@WildWeasel4570 2 жыл бұрын

I’m a little late to the party here. But I have read that the barrels on the SIG have not been torqued to spec. I recently acquired one and the first thing I did was check the barrel screws. They were some what tight but not to spec. I didn’t shoot it first. But if people are having accuracy issues that might be why. Mine shot great. 1 moa gun with good ammo.

@Brimwald 4 жыл бұрын

Why not test accuracy to determine which is better? Also, is there a significant weight difference (>1lb)? As for the off gas port off position on the Bren it could be for rifle grenades or suppressed single shots to be completely silent for designated marksmen (especially on the 308 version they have).

@CzechoslovakGunStories 4 жыл бұрын

Nice video :) Gauntlet would be interesting... BREN 2 is now a standard issue rifle of the Czech Army and I wonder how would it perform :) Not sure if Virtus was made primarily as a military weapon but certainly would be interesting.-

@project86xero 4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if you could get a machinist to drill a small hole in the adjustable gas block of the bren for suppression? It might take some messing about with port size but that could be an option. Also someone like manticore arms could always make an aftermarket replacement part too.

@jamesjannell8706 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for another great review. How do these compare to the new Robinson XCR L ?? It seem they are all priced about same. What would you choose. Haha. Thx.

@TheREALLibertyOrDeath 2 жыл бұрын

Love my xcr-l , very nice guns

@roul3688 4 жыл бұрын

A similar rifle to the Virtus is Barrett Rec 7 Gen 2 or 3, piston operated. I have the Gen 2 but there are hardly any reviews on it. Rec 7 has a single piece piston and a 2 position gas block, suppressed or unsuppressed. I'd be curious on what you think of it if you ever get you hands on one.

@zoinkedshaggy 4 жыл бұрын

Hey you should check your KZfaq status or stats. This video was the first time I have been notified in almost 4 weeks.

@EChaseWright 3 жыл бұрын

Can you do an updated comparison video of the Bren 2 pistol SBR versus AR-15 type platform?

@thejonesy8173 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe the idea behind behind the no gas setting is similar to the hush puppy lock on the HK mk23

@OpenDaNor-n7t 4 жыл бұрын

I bought the MCX Virtus patrol noctis or whatever new back in December (2019 for future viewers) for like $1600 out the door at cabelas without a sale. Mine came with Sig folding sights that are really nice. I wonder why the newer ones now are selling at 18, 1900+ with no sights.

@MrRedFox13Photography 4 жыл бұрын

Bren2 762.39 i love .30cal and ill feed it steel all day. When I get it lol

@Ryan.F86 4 жыл бұрын

LOL. Tim suffers from "battered Sig owner syndrome." He just can't help himself even after all the lemons he's gotten from Sig.

@mindcraftpoly8869 4 жыл бұрын

Lol

@yagizgorgun8342 4 жыл бұрын

Plain and simple, Sig Arms = JUNK

@miophx8283 4 жыл бұрын

You're so right. He's a fan boy because, "Sig" !

@mikeklawitter1924 4 жыл бұрын

Also in this thread "a broken clock can't even be right twice a day!"

@twinturboaddict 4 жыл бұрын

All my Sigs work flawlessly. I guess it's the luck of the draw.

@ortiz11039 4 жыл бұрын

I like comparisons like these.

@user-pf5yx3pt2q 4 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one that thinks the Bren 2Ms looks like the ACR.

@kurtkenehan8017 4 жыл бұрын

its like a mix of the scar and an ACR to me. ya

@quinngilbert4996 4 жыл бұрын

It does and that's why i kinda died inside when he said it looked ugly...

@kurtkenehan8017 4 жыл бұрын

@@quinngilbert4996 same i thought it looked awesome until he brought it up

@paintballplayer700 3 жыл бұрын

Wait til you put an ACR stock on the Bren!

@bench175 4 жыл бұрын

Would have been nice to compare accuracy. That's one of my top requirements for a full length rifle.

@Brimwald 4 жыл бұрын

I'm surprised he didn't. That would clearly separate one over the other.

@gopgeorge1047 3 жыл бұрын

@mac Is the Bren 5.56 8" Pistol threaded in 1/2x28? Also, what about the Virtus, same threading? I have both and am currently figuring out the whole muzzle brake/flash hider/suppressor situation and you're the man to go to for straightforward answers. Thanks.

@kensai77 4 жыл бұрын

MAC I remember on your ACR vs SCAR 16 video, you chose the ACR. So how would you rate the Bren 2 vs the ACR or SCAR 16?

@Russianmafia10 4 жыл бұрын

He's already said the Bren 2 is miles ahead of the scar 16 and a much better buy

@kensai77 4 жыл бұрын

@@Russianmafia10 Not surprised at all. It's hard to come up with a reason to fork over $3K unless you're a FN fanboy.

@doublecheeseburger1712 4 жыл бұрын

Tim....ever play with your Beretta ARX 100 anymore? Just dug mine out of the safe .....would be neat comparison to these two....

@1AbominAble1 4 жыл бұрын

Good luck on the shoulder. I’m 4 surgeries and an artificial joint in on my left shoulder, in short, it sucks. Avoid surgery if at all possible! Double, triple check your surgeon if you have to go that route. A better surgeon is worth every penny over the average Dr.

@richardmiller3146 4 жыл бұрын

I am 2 in in left shoulder. 1st was to repair ruptured biceps tendon and torn labrum. 6 months later, still painful turns out had torn rotator cuff. Now, 8 months later, still painful surgeon wants to go in and scope it to check for damage that might need to be repaired that isn't showing up on MRI. Why 4 surgeries for you?

@1AbominAble1 4 жыл бұрын

Richard Miller Tore the whole joint up severely when I was around 17, just dealt with it until mid 30’s when it tore for the 10-12th time separating all but 2 muscle groups. Rehabbed for a long time, no gain. Sought out a good surgeon, he botched it. Everything he connected ripped out in 24 hours leaving me in a bad place. Since I’d never even had a stitch before this I didn’t understand that he was a hack and let him repair his mistake 3 long weeks after the initial surgery. He did such a bad job that I lost most of the mobility in the shoulder and ended up with permanent searing pain, numbness, nerve damage, loss of use of hand, etc. Spent a few years searching for someone who was confident enough going in to try and fix it without risk of losing the arm- which a surgeon told me was a real possibility. Settled on a Surgeon, he went in and tried to repair the damage from the other Surgeon as well as the initial injuries. He cleaned it up and told me that it was the worst shoulder he’d ever seen, said it’d have to come out, and that he hoped he’d bought me some time. Shortly after that it needed to be replaced. 5 years on with my titanium shoulder and I still can’t use my arm very well, still have numbness, burning, freezing, intense nerve pain, loss of mobility, and an arm that is just “ dead “ sometimes. If I would’ve only found the last Surgeon first who knows how it would’ve went?

@1AbominAble1 4 жыл бұрын

Zrexer One It’s nice to hear that you were able to avoid surgery, I’m very happy for you! Keep it strong, stretched, and mobil and hopefully you’ll never need the surgeon.

@richardmiller3146 4 жыл бұрын

@@1AbominAble1 Damn, sounds like you've been through the ringer. I know what you mean about finding the "right" surgeon. I've had 7 neck surgeries and 2 rods, a plate, and 23 screws later I am miserable 24/7. Shooting (off bench) has been one of the only things I can now do that brings me any level of enjoyment. 7 neck surgeries, RT humerus (large upper arm bone) broke in half now has a rod running literally through the center of the bone from shoulder to elbow, 2 shoulder and biceps surgery on LT arm, and 2 lower back surgeries including large double threaded bolt/screw. Yeah, I can sympathize with you and just send prayers your way. After all that I feel "lucky." I should be either dead or a quadriplegic but by the grace of God I walk and work every day and refuse any disability. I don't look down on those that do because I don't know their story. There are people that question why I can't do certain things. When they hear my story their view is 100% different.

@1AbominAble1 4 жыл бұрын

Richard Miller I guess we are a pair of lucky Dick’s😁 I’m also named Richard👍 I usually don’t discuss my “ ordeal “ but you had asked and it’s obvious that you understand as your about half way into being the 6 million dollar man- probably both in parts and money. With three young kids I try to make sure that they don’t see me complain about it and am just thankful that I still have the arm and the function that still has. Hunting and shooting have always been my escape, it’s extremely hard to do solo now but the boys are just old enough to go help on the hunt and are showing some interest in shooting. God bless you Sir and I hope that you can avoid any further surgery.