Bullet Lube for Black and Smokeless Powder

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2 жыл бұрын

EDIT:
After shooting this lube in both black powder and smokeless guns I have, I now favor this over any of the store-bought lubes I've used or even seen. I've dub my bullets out of the berms on both rifle and pistol ranges and have yet to see any evidence of leftover lube still in the grooves, which tells me that it's being used up in the bore, which is exactly what we want to see.
I'm reposting this one. I took it down after I got that strike but this video does not show anyone how to manufacture ammo so I'm hoping it's going to be OK.
This video shows you how to make a holistic recipe using natural ingredients. It's known as "Emmert's Improved" and it's been around for a long time now and is a proven performer. Forget about buying ingredients at the big box store too, those are not the right stuff.
Recipe (all quantities given in weight):
50% pure beeswax (Bulk Apothecary)
40% Crisco or Coconut oil (grocery store)
5% Canola oil (grocery store)
5% Anhydrous Lanolin (Bulk Apothecary)
www.bulkapothecary.com

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@RoiratNews 2 ай бұрын

Sad to see that the info was deleted regarding the Ingot to Target Bullet Casting is missing today.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Ай бұрын

The name of their website changed. Try this… www.artfulbullet.com/documents/Fryxell_Book_textonly2.pdf

@carlgomm9699 2 жыл бұрын

You have such a nice show, I really appreciate the help you have given me !!

@terryqueen3233 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much I certainly do appreciate that. I got that recipe the last time you showed it

@silentseawolf 9 ай бұрын

really appreciate all this info

@williamsepessy8687 Жыл бұрын

Gee, I thought I was done experimenting with bullet lubes. I have a large supply of beeswax, lanolin and lambs tallow, along with Paul Mathews recommended neatsfoot and castor oils. Never encountered coconut oil until last week and now I see your video. My lube requirements are for percussion pistols and black powder cartridge loading for Cowboy shooting. My need is not as great as those who engage in long range shooting, but I have a certain fascination with lube recipes and your comments about leading and accuracy bear this out. Thanks for the new recipe and will be anxious to try some as soon as the weather breaks a bit.

@BigRooster616 10 ай бұрын

50% Beeswax 45% Lard table spoon of synthetic transmission fluid . Works great for Smokeless and BP. I have been cowboy action shooting and loading with BP & Smokeless. This works great for my loads

@asherdog9248 2 жыл бұрын

For years I have been taking g a small jar of Cisco to the range for BPCR shooting. Before I chamber the cartridge I rotate the bullet nose in the jar of Cisco to LIGHTLY coat the nose with Cisco. It keeps the fouling very soft. The bullets are lubed with an SPG type of lube.

@MegaDavyk Жыл бұрын

The lube I used in my Kentucky long rifle and Reb Nord was mutton fat and washing detergent. Clean up with boiling water was a breeze.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

A lot of the old time lubes used animal fat of one type or another. Clean up is one of the ways you can tell if your lube is working.

@raystevens1458 Жыл бұрын

Nice video, you have my interest, I would really like to see how it's applied to the bullets, thanks again.

@shastasteve 2 жыл бұрын

Just downloaded the cast bullet guide and that is awesome. Printed it up and put in a binder for the reloading bench. Another good use for the lanolin in your bullet lube is to mix it 10/1 with 99 percent alcohol. Makes a great case lube for reloading.

@tomlagatol4448 6 ай бұрын

I can’t seem to find the cast bullet guide in post vid info. Could you please help me out and send me the link. Thanks

@shastasteve 6 ай бұрын

www.lasc.us/Fryxell_Book_textonly2.pdf@@tomlagatol4448

@michael184272 5 ай бұрын

Could you post up or pm me the "cast bullet guide" link.. sorry but I could not locate it in your video

@michaelhayes7471 10 ай бұрын

I use basically the same formula i just used what i had beeswax Cisco a little olive oil an a little duck fat works good in hot weather

@danbartter7885 Жыл бұрын

I like the cast bullet guide - I just made a small batch for 50/70 BP roller and trap door - 40% bees, 35% tallow 15% paraffin and some moly grease - looking forward to sending them to the paper. like your recipe the real down to earth is just equal part bees and tallow! I will use seal ring for a bit of the smokeless bullets - seems simple and half the cost of most other components! (I had to hunt for the guide with the tittle)

@taurushipointenthusiast1306 10 ай бұрын

Been kicking round few different Ideas, that toilet ring yes it is a no go the fouling for me, Soy Wax I thought was a grand idea but perfumes, dyes and other chemicals added for soap makers. Bees wax has similar but it is all natural so it burns and cleans better. Just an observation from someone whom has tried several ideas. This one covers all, by covers all I do muzzle loading as well as Smoke-less Why would I have 2 different lubes, 1 large batch I am set

@olesarge1724 2 жыл бұрын

What you might look into is a DIY hotwire cutter. Should cut that bees wax real fast.

@NW_Ranger Жыл бұрын

I go outside to cut my wax. I also use a homemade hot knife. It’s made from scrap metal and is nothing fancy. I also stay out of the kitchen and go to the shop for the lube melt. I use a a little portable single burner hot plate. The “Elite Gourmet, Electric Single Burner” is of descent quality and works very well. I do not use Crisco anymore. After a while the Crisco starts to breakdown and it becomes a strange sticky glue like substance. It is nasty crap! It is made from hydrogenated cotton seed oil. I would never put Crisco anywere near my cutting boards or food. That crap will shorten your life if you use it with your food! Go look it up and learn about it. I’ll stick with tallow (cows) or lard (pigs). Incidentally, rendered bear or raccoon fat works very well… maybe better.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

@@NW_Rangerthe lube can also be made with high temp coconut oil in the same amount. No crisco in my food either!

@SuperCinemaCraft 2 жыл бұрын

Very awesome stuff! I wish I was in the position to cast my own.

@RJ-sr5dv Жыл бұрын

Great channel..thx

@johnwebb7944 5 ай бұрын

Sir you should try using a hot pitcher of water and resting your blade in it prior to cutting your wax and between each cut.

@tobiasgutfleisch4312 Жыл бұрын

A perfect video... Can this bullet lube also be used in the RCBS Lube A Matic? Simply use a cylindric mold for the lube and use the bullet lube sticks in the calibration & lube press?

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

That’s what I do…don’t use a heater with this lube though. It will run all over the place if you heat it.

@shastasteve 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you put this back up. Will this lube work fine for black and smokeless? Just ordered a couple dies for my 45-70's

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve used it for both and it’s worked great. It’s a soft lube though so I only make up as many lubed bullets as I need at the time.

@foundrysecurity570 Жыл бұрын

Thanks again for the great info. QUESTION. How do you control fouling in different different weather conditions? The worst I suppose is hot and dry. Can you please give your insight on primers, powder compression, lube ext on this topic. Haha no pressure

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

Best way to keep fouling under control is to wipe between every shot. That works great for gong shoots like the Q. I’m silhouette though, you do t have time for that. I blow tube for silhouette, but I also live in western Washington where the humidity is always over 50%. Guys in the desert SW regularly run into a situation called “fouling out” where blow tubing and lube are not enough and accuracy goes out the window. Only experimenting with your load will tell you how many shots you can fire before fouling out.

@johnndavis7647 Жыл бұрын

I melt and clarify raw beeswax in a crockpot set on low.

@bobboyer9440 2 жыл бұрын

You said in your video that you kept it in your refrigerator. Does it have to be refrigerated or can it be kept at room temp?

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure you could keep it at room temp but I’m kinda anal about things like this. I want it to be preserved as good as possible since it lasts a long time before you can use it all.

@grahamstewart7980 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Have you ever used this lube in a lubrisizer? I found out the hard way to make sure your lube will perform before loading it up in your lubrisizer! Another hard lesson.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

I make up tubes for my RCBS lube sizer using PVC pipe. Works great with no heat needed.

@smartmeis Жыл бұрын

Beeswax and extra virgin olive oil. I use expensive olive oils and it’s amazing stuff. Although I do believe it will get sticky if it sits too long. I’m unsure. Never had that happen before but I’ve heard of it. You can add coconut oil but it depends what kind

@ronmorse5624 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video And I learned something. curious what bullet you are shooting I have a Pedersoli Quigley in 45/90. I have had it for several years but haven't fired it yet due to health problems. Pretty well to back on my feet now and need to get started.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

So in picking a bullet you need to verify what the twist rate is in your rifle. I think that the Pedersolis are running 18”, which would mean that your looking for a bullet no more than 1.42” long. You can get an excellent mold from Steve Brooks (brooksmolds.com) in the New Postell style of about 535 grains or so. This will get you way out there to a thousand yards or more.

@ronmorse5624 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the quick reply. You wouldn't have a link to the cast bullet guide someone mentioned would you.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

@@ronmorse5624 www.lasc.us/ArticlesFryxell.htm

@ronmorse5624 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I really appreciate it.

@mkshffr4936 11 күн бұрын

Very interesting video. I have known for a long time that using smokeless lube with the holy black was bad mojo but I have often wondered whether one could use BP lube for smokeless. BTW, what is the purpose of the lanolin?

@RecoilTherapyChannel 11 күн бұрын

The Lannin gives it a little bit of extra stickiness to help the lube stay in the grooves.

@mkshffr4936 11 күн бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel Thanks.

@hettro-cv6082 Жыл бұрын

I saw your note on buying bees wax in pellet form, but can you tell where you got a big block of bees wax, I can use it for other reasons.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

Look on Bulk Apothecary dot com.

@JaredHempfield Жыл бұрын

I have wire pulling lube which is thick lanolin, think that will work? Thanks for the video

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

Find the SDS sheet for it and verify that it’s just lanolin. You don’t want any petroleum base products in BP lube. For smokeless it doesn’t matter much. Just so long as there’s not a bunch of other additives in there is the big thing. If there are additives in it, I’d forget it and order from Bulk Apothecary. These ingredients are not expensive. I’m still working off the first batch of materials I bought for this video, and not in danger of running out anytime soon.

@JaredHempfield Жыл бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannelGood idea, thanks, I always forget to check that. The MSDS of Gardner Bender 79006N Wont say what it is composed of but everything checks out. Would rather not try it if they're gonna be like WD-40 and hold out their true ingredients.

@tobiasgutfleisch4312 Жыл бұрын

Crisco is difficult to get in Germany. I am thinking about using standard frying fat ( palm fat & rapeseed oil) instead of it. I only want to use one type of grease in my RCBS Lube A Matic for my Sharps 45/70 black powder cartridges and 30/30 Win, 6,5x55, 7,5x55, 8x57 smokeless cartridges (9mm Luger) . Do you have any advice here? It would make sense to maintain a high melting temperature here, wouldn't it? I am pretty sure this lube will also do a good job for my 100m muzzle loader bullets.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

I haven’t tried those oils… The other one I did try however is high temperature coconut oil. It seems to work really well and do an excellent job. I am the same way on only having one type of lube in the sizer. I’ve run this lube with everything from 9 mm up through 445 super magnum and pistol and also on my 4570 Rifles and I think it will do fine on my 4590 that I just got as well. I think as long as you don’t go over about 1800 or so feet per second you’ll be OK.

@johnanderson186 Жыл бұрын

I bet bacon grease would work great! Smell good too! Lol

@chaimafaghet7343 11 ай бұрын

Use lard. Crisco is an abomination.

@severnsproducts1433 Жыл бұрын

Use avocado oil if you want a high temp lube

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

Is Avacado oil solid at normal temps?

@severnsproducts1433 Жыл бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel unfortunately not i usually mix it with beeswax and carnauba wax until its the consistency i want

@jrpocoroba 2 жыл бұрын

did you test if this wax produces a lot of smoke in the shot? usually beeswax makes a lot of smoke. good video. I will try to make your recipe

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 жыл бұрын

Doesn’t seem any smokier than the guys shooting next to me. Accuracy results have been great so far too

@srkmarine1 2 жыл бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel have you ever been able to compare accuracy to one of the mainstream lubes like SPG? I have a rifle coming in next month and I'd much rather prefer to make a recipe like this rather than order a bunch of expensive lube online!

@erickschmidt3828 2 жыл бұрын

How dos this lube compare to SPG? Also is it less cost to make this lube. Thanks for a great video

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 жыл бұрын

It’s a lot cheaper than SPG…as far as whether it’s better or not I can’t really answer that. SPG and DGL (very similar) are both used by a lot of shooters, but this recipe is also used by a lot of guys. Experimentation with your rifle/load combo will point you on the way you need to go.

@erickschmidt3828 2 жыл бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel thankyou for replying. I'm gonna give this recipe a try. Where did you buy the bulk bees wax and lanolin

@RecoilTherapyChannel 2 жыл бұрын

@@erickschmidt3828 look up “Bulk Apothecary” on the interwebs

@erickschmidt3828 2 жыл бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel thankyou

@pcblah 6 ай бұрын

For lubes that use an animal or vegetable fat mixed with the beeswax, is there a shelf life on them? I might make and backstock lots of .45-70 bullets, and having them prelubed would save some time. I assume it wouldn't be a problem in a loaded cartridge because they would be sealed from air and light contact?

@RecoilTherapyChannel 6 ай бұрын

I had thought of trying the same thing. Vegetable oils will definitely last longer than animal oils. After I lubed up a bunch of Keith bullets and let them sit, I changed my mind. Having lubed bullets sitting out attracts dust. Lube can also dry out over time too. Now what I do is have my lube sticks stored in the fridge outside my loading room and I just run a bullet into the lube sizer and then seat it in a case. That way, I know that it's fresh. Once you get a rhythm going, it doesn't seem to be that much slower. I'm on a single stage press though, if I was on a progressive, I'd just lube them up in batches of 50 or 100 right before I needed them.

@pcblah 6 ай бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel I might get a lube sizer. My reloading recipe asks for unsized bullets (Springfield trapdoor), so I didn't really consider using one before. I could just get an oversized die for it, in .460" and hope no excess lube squirts out.

@RecoilTherapyChannel 6 ай бұрын

@@pcblah slug the barrel with a good size egg sinker. You’ll probably need a die running .462-.463 or so…you can get those at Buffalo Arms. Call them up and tell em what you got going. You probably need a bigger mold too. Look up Steve Brooks or Buffalo Arms, either one.

@RecoilTherapyChannel 6 ай бұрын

The lube recipe in this video will work well for you. Avoid any petroleum products in your lube if running real black powder.

@jamesdardano1516 Жыл бұрын

Are you willing to inform me as to where you purchased the beeswax ? Thank you !

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

BulkApothecary.com

@smallchunkaground2071 8 күн бұрын

Would this work as a patch lube also if I was to soak my patches in it?

@RecoilTherapyChannel 8 күн бұрын

Seems like it would, but I don't have any experience with muzzle loaders. I would think that you'd have to watch how much you got on each patch as this recipe is solid at regular temps, you wouldn't want an over-soaked patch.

@frederickwise5238 6 ай бұрын

Im too old to do B.P. anymore and this isnt about lube,.but thot Id pass on a source of "wax" in a form from which it is easy to make wads- Go to the hardware store and buy the seals they use when they install a toilet. Chill em in the fridge. make a punch out of a cartridge a bit larger than the ball. Make a "short piston" out of a dowel rod (to push the wad out of the cartridge) drill the primer hole out enuf to run a push rod thru. Punch the wads out of the bees wax, push em out and stack em up. The wax toilet seal is cheaper for the quantity of wads you can make than buying them.

@RecoilTherapyChannel 6 ай бұрын

I had heard that a while back too. I covered using toilet wax in the video because it isn't pure beeswax, it's an industrial product called "slack wax" and is full of petroleum products. It may work OK for smokeless powder but no petroleum products should ever be used in BP lube as it will create hard fouling in the bore. The other thing is that the rings are not any cheaper than buying pure beeswax from Bulk Apothecary. You get a better deal buying real beeswax and steering clear of the toilet rings.

@frederickwise5238 6 ай бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannelMaybe because I didnt use it that long. I only needed a small amount to try out a Manhatten C&B used at Chickamauga in 1861. Last time fired was around 1933 shooting rats in my Grampa's corn crib. lol I just wanted to see if it would still shoot. It did, just fine. My local gunshop didny have any Blkpwdr supplies, so I was on my own. LOL

@RecoilTherapyChannel 6 ай бұрын

yeah we're on our own for most things BP these days! One good source is Buffalo Arms in Ponderay, ID. They have a great website too.

@RJ-sr5dv Жыл бұрын

Looking for a web add or link to the Frye book, obviously I missed it if it is there? Thanks in advance..bob

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

Search “From Ingot to Target” by Glenn Fryxell… It’s free to download and print off.

@RJ-sr5dv Жыл бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel Thank you so much.. I tried that before but got nowhere - Tried again and success. I think a Silecone Valley Soy Boy (girl) blocked this on another search engine Thanks again RJ

@dogbone1358 Жыл бұрын

At this point in time I have no intention of making my own bullets. At your recommendation I found 535 gr bullets at Montana Bullet Works lubed for black powder. Still learning from your videos about black powder. My question is, can you shoot smokeless powder loaded with bullets lubed with black powder lube? Thanks

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yup sure can. MBW has pretty good stuff that will serve well. You’ll need to cast your own if you decide to start chasing long range target work but for gong shoots (Quigley) you’ll be ok. Smokeless loads should duplicate BP ballistics. 5744 and 4198 are excellent choices. With that bullet, your most accurate velocity is likely to be in the high 1200’s to mid 1300’s. A LabRadar makes things much easier. Have fun with it!

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

PS….stay away from any wads or fillers with those powders. It’s a banned practice at the Quigley and dangerous to boot.

@dogbone1358 Жыл бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel Thanks for the quick reply. I’m far from competing in black powder shoots but enjoy watching you do it. And thanks for the tips on the smokeless powder. I use those along with 3031 and 4064. Also have some BP loads using 1 and 2F. Have you ever tried duplex loads with small amounts (4 gr) of smokeless at the base of the case and BP for the rest? It’s said this reduces fouling allowing more shots between barrel swabbing. I have a Caldwell chronograph but I need to use it more.

@dogbone1358 Жыл бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel Have you ever tried duplex loads with small amounts (4 gr) of smokeless at the base of the case and BP for the rest? It’s said this reduces fouling allowing more shots between barrel swabbing.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

@@dogbone1358 duplexing seems to be falling out of favor as most matches now ban it. I have not tried it personally, but every reference to it does mention the benefits you list as well as a boost in velocity. Wiping between every shot is key to getting the best accuracy, so even if I were to go the duplex route, I would still be wiping every shot.

@jkfinkeldey Жыл бұрын

What does the lanolin and canola contribute? Would a 50/50 beeswax/coconut oil work as well?

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

Canola is a highly efficient machine oil and lanolin adds some adhesion so the lube stays in the grooves better

@tombrown6464 Жыл бұрын

I am curious if you or anyone else has used lard in bullet lube?

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure that it would work… Most of the old time recipes call for an animal, fat of one kind or another.

@georgelewis7010 4 ай бұрын

You kept saying the website in the description, all I see in the description was some scented oil site

@RecoilTherapyChannel 4 ай бұрын

Bulk Apothecary is where you can get real beeswax. Buy it in pellet form not the huge block lol…

@georgelewis7010 4 ай бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel ok that is good but I was talking about the bullet casting guide

@RecoilTherapyChannel 4 ай бұрын

@@georgelewis7010 www.artfulbullet.com/documents/Fryxell_Book_textonly2.pdf

@victorshults242 2 жыл бұрын

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@Majorme2 2 жыл бұрын

I’m a beekeeper..I’ve got plenty of wax….but thanks for the info….

@raysheppard8040 10 ай бұрын

I'm kicking around different ideas how about soy wax? I found it in a bees wax search, Just made me wonder ahout it

@RecoilTherapyChannel 10 ай бұрын

Good thing you asked….soy wax is awful with BP…can create an asphalt like substance in your barrel. Starting to learn that beeswax has its limits too. Try some Ozokerite wax from Etsy. I’m experimenting with it right now and it’s very promising. Synthetic spermaceti might be another good one too.

@raysheppard8040 10 ай бұрын

@@RecoilTherapyChannel thanks for letting me know, as stated kicking around ideas I am partial to what you shared with us... mainly because it serves black powder and smoke less

@RecoilTherapyChannel 10 ай бұрын

@@raysheppard8040 the lube recipe in this video is easy to make and the ingredients are all low cost and easy to come by. There are better lubes but this one is a good "jack of all trades lube" and will serve well in most circumstances. Don't fall for the toilet ring wax either. It's not the same as beeswax and (by the pound) not any cheaper either.

@lawrencelaforest6545 Жыл бұрын

Just microwave it.

@Atlasmehd Жыл бұрын

Jeezus melt that thing down into 1 lb wax ingot.

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

Sometimes I am a little slow on the uptake LOL

@robertweinberg4449 Жыл бұрын

Correct spelling of book authors: Glen E. Fryxell and Robert L. Applegate

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

At least somebody’s paying attention

@abdulr9914 Жыл бұрын

Guns cleaning oil..this sir

@RecoilTherapyChannel Жыл бұрын

If running smokeless powder, gun cleaning oil might work. The thing about black powder though, is that if you run a petroleum based lube, it will create really hard fouling in the barrel that is difficult to remove. With BP, one of the most important things the lube is supposed to do, is keep the fouling soft. That's the reason for the vegetable based oils in this lube. There are many lube recipes in Glenn Fryxell's book "From Ingot to Target" that you can search. It's free to download from their website.

@korg20000 8 ай бұрын

I gave up after watching 6 minutes of slicing wax...

@RecoilTherapyChannel 8 ай бұрын

Can’t please everybody

@bovineexcrement8635 Жыл бұрын

Cookie deleted my comment, for saying that ring was a petroleum product and not beeswax. I also pointed out home de POT is upside down and on the government tit and how he was making money off taxpayers. Hahaha 🤷‍♂️