Actually miranda does have deflectors, 2 of them, top of saucer cylinders sticking forward from the raised engineering section. Remember TOS/TMP deflectors didn't glow. Miranda was TOS/TMP era ships.

The diff in size from D to E reflects a change in ship compliment. They are no longer carrying families around.

When we played STO, my friend called this the 'Middle Finger of Starfleet' and I wanted one so so so bad. THIS is a warship. Love it.

The top view of the saucer looks like a two sided battle ax.

One of my toons in STO flies the Buran. The Dreadnought designation is an artifact of it being a Discovery Refit of the Cardenas Class, which was one of the largest classes from that era, and it has the mechanics of an STO dreadnought: 4/4 Weapons, one hangar bay, and being a complete tank that can also equip dual heavy cannons. It also comes with an Ion Storm Generator Console.

This is actually the ship I fly in STO, and the deflector has a built-in ion storm generator

Ships that have the Dreadnought Cruiser tag in STO tend to have one hanger slot and are beefy cruisers with an Engineering lean. Other examples of Dreadnought Cruisers are the Galaxy-X, Atlas Prototype Dreadnought Cruiser, and Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Cruiser.

I like the four nacelle configuration, because it feels like a visual reference to the four liquid fuel boosters from the Buran-Energia.

I like the visual language of the ship, it looks robust, durable, and modern. It's has an understated aggressive look that definitely gives off a ship built for battle more than a long range exploration vessel like the Odyssey variants (except for the Terran Lexington Dreadnought).

Nice! Kind of a nod to the Constellation Class!! As are the other 4 nacelle designs!!

From that view of the under side of the ship the part that comes to a point on the front of the cut out part of the saucer it looks like the hammer part of a hammerhead shark's head.

when you do the comparison video title it 'Buran-Buran' 🤣🤣🤣 cheeky Duran Duran reference...

🖖😎👍A very cool and very nice looking starship indeed, And very well informatively explained and very nicely executed guys 👌.

The ax head just screams fight

Cute ship, she looks like something Riker would command! :D

Nice ship!

0:30 lemme stop you right there. the Gagarin class is the upside down Shenzhou (Walker Class). look at the curves of its (Gagarin) saucer. rotate the ship 180 degrees and re-address the shape of the saucer, the angle of the Bussard collectors, the deflector now positioned on the dorsal hull because it's just a stripped down and redressed Walker, its silhouette now resembles something that flies rather than floats, and it looks fine, great even. but no, they designed an updated and more streamlined Walker and just flipped it over, moved the shuttle bay location slightly, applied appropriate blinkies, and tossed it into the Zstore. once you see it for what it is, you cannot un-see the Upside Down Cruiser. with that rant aside... the Buran is, at best, an awkward look. the split saucer is its most, if only, interesting aspect - and that's just a carry-over from its Discovery counterpart. each one of those pylons/struts/wings are such a huge waste of surface area - and this thing as four of em! having given it a Constellation class nacelle placement, for both Cardenas and Buran, would have been more practical and looked better - with the Constellation nacelle style removing the possibility of in-strut Impulse engines and placing the said Impulse engine within the hull where they could be presented as more substantial and/or just present in general. granted such a nacelle change would likely mean relocating the shuttle bay, but it could do with an improved presence. at least, when i look at the Buran, of the arguable flaws it may have, i don't have to fight with the immediate recognition of it being upside down - so that's a win.

This is PRETTY

One of my STO characters flies this as their Final ship. The U.S.S. Nia Nal, rocking a Discovery faction engine set and Temporal faction weapon set, along with the tractor mines you can get from the end of the Romulan Mystery story arc.

I'm a traditionalist in the sense I prefer a full saucer section with no cut out at the front. If I were being radical I'd take out the saucer leaving a sharp, pointed primary hull.

If you took off the saucer section it looks like a Starfire from Babylon 5

I would argue that the "dreadnought" classification in this case is based on its tactical capacity. It suggests that this is a warship to the degree of the Defiant and Promethius. So, even though it's a much smaller ship than the Galaxy, the Galaxy is denigrated as a 'cruise ship' for a reason. Theoretically, it might even be more aggressive than the Sovereign; the four nacelle design suggests speed and perhaps high warp maneuvers. The Buran might be intended as an interceptor.

I don't know why I'm obsessed with the deflector dish, but I keep thinking "WHERE is the deflector?!" until I find out where it is. On that note... @10:00 the Oberth and the Miranda do too have deflectors! Miranda has two on either side of the ventral aft, and Oberth's is inside its engineering section!

From the back it looks more like an X-Wing XD

I like it. I think it's pretty cool looking.

I'll take one in red, white and blue.

This ship is AMAZING. I actually managed to take and shrug off a point-blank shot from the Doomsday Machine in the Days of Doom Advanced TFO! Yes, you heard me right! I took no damage from a blast from a DOOMSDAY MACHINE, the planet-killer, despite being hit at point-blank range.

This ship looks really nice with the Alliance vanity shield.

I have the ship in STO. If you are familiar with the game, it's a "Command" ship with the full Command specs. The bridge officer layout fall short for me because you need a Lt. Cmd. Tactical seat for the torpedo abilities to match up with the command abilities. It would have made a nice torpedo boat with the Cmd. Engineering/Command and if the had the Lt. Cmd. Tactical. The ships is a standard cruiser layout with 4/4 weapons. The special console is the Ion Storm Generator and the ship's mastery is "Unified Engineering" and both are nothing to write home about. The plus is that it does have a hanger bay and for the gerenal game play it's a decent ship. My choice for the Disco cruisers would be the Gagarin Miracle Worker Battlecruiser.

it likely handles like a brick too...... let me explain I have the winter event felkri dreadnaught carrier from a few years ago. it handles like a brick. It's most dangerous feature is the fact that it has fighter bays. The Lost souls it comes with are decent purchase the other types of fighters and gets nastier with the other felkri fighters, even if you have to have the felkri science carrier that has a t5 variant or you have the t6 variant and use those. eitherway.... I digress the felkri dread handles like a brick

I like the Prometheus design, so I go Hestia as my primary in STO. I do want a dreadnought of some type for my engineering char at some point. Probably Gal-X/Yamato, but that Buran doesn't look terrible (DSC design connection aside).... If >2 nacelles = dreadnought... man, the Borg killed 2+ dreadnoughts at Wolf 359. You know, since the Cheyenne-class and Niagara-class each had at least one ship lost there. :D Honestly, I've come around to the opinion that Starfleet wouldn't have dreadnoughts/battleships. Have something with the punch/defense of a battleship/battlecruiser? Possibly, but not called such, since peaceful explorers having battleships throws some confusion into their message of coming in peace. My thought is "large cruiser", because the only example of that type is a supersized heavy cruiser with heavier main battery. So "it's just a larger heavy cruiser, not a capital ship or 'warship'" argument can be fielded. OTOH, it's possible that heavy cruisers _are_ Starfleet's equivalent to battleships/battlecruisers. Connies, Excelsiors, etc would be the battleships, and ships like Niagara are the battlecruisers? Nebula might be the attempt to make a two nacelle "battlecruiser" for the Galaxy design era, or perhaps instead it was first-gen "BB" leading to the Galaxy second gen? Interesting thought experiment, if nothing else.

This ship is a fucking monster in game, especially as i can add worker bees to it to keep me goinng. I think its a dreadnought because it can take hanger pets but mostly still frontline combat ship?

Sto is really just making refit disco era ships

I like the deflector

It doesn't translate in photos but the orange bussards actually have a subtle lava lamp effect of light and darker blobs that flow about slowly like the Enterprise E bussards. I agree the rear does look a little like a cutaway. The Khitomer class also has a rear like that and a few other visual similarities. It actually looks nice in the Intrepid class material. I repainted the black accents in the execlsior blue to make it a bit less contrasting.

The STO version looks much better than the inverted Walker class design

I liked it for the most part The second angle you we saw instantly made me think of a Starfury the human fighter in Babylon 5 Personally I think it should have been way bigger or way smaller tho

If u take away the saucer sections on the side, it totally looks like a Vor'cha class klingon ship, maybe a collaborative effort from Klingon and Starfleet engineers.

I think, in STO, the dreadnought designation means the ship can launch shuttles/fighters to assist in battle and that it can use cannons in the weapons loadout. Regular cruisers can't do either. Battlecruisers can use cannons but ca n not launch shuttles in battle. Also, the Buran class has a special console that can generate an ion storm. Pretty neat. Great review, guys. I give mad props to the STO design team for adapting the Discovery designs.

I’m sure you just misspoke but the Shepard Class was the upside down Shenzou, not the Buran edit: I see other people said this, sorry 😂

Shenzou was upside down, who would put the bridge way down in the bilge deck?

Please tell me you'll be looking at the Gagarin

CREW QUESTION: You guys should do a speculation/wish list for the ST: Prodigy ship BEFORE anything about it gets released.

looks like a Starfury

take off the saucer elements and it looks like an X-wing

What in the fooken world ship is that lol it looks star wars like. Looks good though 👍

they should've done discovery in STO

The is my favourite looking STO ship ever and even in my top 3 of all star trek ship designs ever

It is a balanced ship strong from every side eithere you like it or you don't... No Nobel prize for nit picking!!!

WHY put bridge on top? Because Picard smashed the Enterprise E into he Scimitar would be very bad if it was upfront

Cool.

I love playing this ship. It was the very first ship I purchased from the STO C-Store!! It turns like a truck but it can take a beating!!

I do not have this ship in game and nor would I purchase it. Ship's I'd play over it and ships I'd take over it t6 odyssey( I cant remember its name) koballi samasar cruiser Lukari *(whatever it was, the anniversary ship a few years back) t5 Dyson class t6 Kitomer class( last year's anniversery ship, this year's one sucks) the t6 luna class( I cant remember its name)

I do like this ship design but got admit seeing it from those different angles it didn't look to good 🖖

Just ok

I have it in game and I like it but in game it is not good to play with

Think about it this way, teh side is like that to keep someone attacking fromteh side from tearing through a strut and destroying/disabling a warp drive

Interesting variant, and even a Constellation vibe, but notice that the TOS ship and the TNG Galaxy class look awesome from every angle.

Common PLEASE REACT TO THE GLENN CLASS ON STO

I love the way this ship looks. Unfortunately its one of the crappiest ships in terms of bridge officer seating in the game. Hence I never bothered with it. I too didn't understand why they made it a dreadnaught. Really wish they made it a warship or an escort in game.

Wonder who would win with this versus a Sovereign?

Heay remove the bottom 2 nacelle and W you have something special

I've loved this design since I saw it, its one of my staple sto ships. I've even sketched this thing, it looks good everywhere. I was really exited to hear you talk about it... that didn't last long...

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Okay Guys, much more interesting to discuss are the crew size, specs (i.e. weapons, speed, when built, missions, and of course a view of the bridge, captain, and crew quarters.) These are items off the top of my head. Talking about how orange a section is or whether a side-on view is more esthetically appealing or not is subjective and boring.

Slight correction: The Buran Command Dreadnought Cruiser (and the rest of the refit Discovery ships) were introduced in 2411.

If STD took place in the 25th century and the ships looked more like this, I would have watched the show instead of avoid it.

6:54 it looks like it has 3 struts in a row thats how thick it is

13:18 a rant about STO designers fixing Rikers ship from Picard season 1 episode 10

y is the younger one so confrontational

Classification in sto is a bit weird, bc its based on the ships in games abilities rather than the design. Often variants of the same base design will be different roles. For example the Disco connies is a flight deck carrier, but the mirror version (based on the defiant wireframe) is a warship. They can use each others visuals, and lore wise are the same base hull, but have completely different classifications.

I though the Gregarin was the upside down Shenzou?

That very beautiful ship 😍

7:34 if you cut it in half and make 2 ships out of it looks better lol

Are the main shuttle bay door closed

Looking from babylon 5 isn't a major issue lol. That being said its a warship pure and simple. Everything will be compacted to be covered by the armour belt like naval warships in the dreadnought age.

Was going to comment earlier but I got a random phone call I couldn't help messing with. Apparently a package addressed to me was intercepted that contains illegal drugs. Had to mess with that caller, too much fun to be had.

Yeah, definitely NOT a dreadnought.

While I like this ship alot more than you guys do, I will concede there is potential to make the ship better. My biggest gripe is the same as Samuel's. That shuttle bay is WAY too small and the impulse engines bug me even more. They're just two little slits on either side of the doors and I HATE IT. It should've gotten the same treatment as the Gagarin I think. And IDK what you guys are talking about, that deflector is CASH, it's like a big, glowy, hi-tech telescope with multiple lenses if you take a closer look and I love it. I flip-flop between this "USS Hornet" and my Brigid-class "USS Wanderer V".

Trek Yards I think you should Take a Look at the Elkins Type Star ship. This Ship Is a Kit Bash of a Intrepid Class Primary Hull with Underslung TMP Nesells and a Tos Conny Secondary Hull. This ship Is Cannon according to memory Alpha it shows up in the beginning of The DS 9 Episode A time to stand.

You guys should do separate series of videos about the Expanse ships.

If you take the saucer away it looks a lot like an X-wing fighter from Star Wars

I like and do not like it. I wish Paramount just hire the crew of Trekyards to design ships.

The basic four nacelle paradigm should have been used for the copy paste fleet at the end of Picard season 1. Make it look like a Prometheus/Sovereign hybrid descendant in the linage (with a bit of Defiant), and it would be believable as the next iteration of StarFleet ships … and also back up the claim that it's the _fastest_ deadliest ship in StarFleet "OMG they took a Prometheus and added combat systems from the Defiant, then updated it with Sovereign tech". That's what you would use for a pure combat interceptor to protect the boarders of a damaged Federation - a ship that could get there fast … and then kick ass… And that also then and there implies that the Dominion war really changed Starfleet. For this ship, just changing the Saucer to something a bit like the Defiant or Sovereign, instead of the cut outs in the Saucer, and there's the fleet for the final episode.

I'd like to see a slight rework of this class, but make it 2800m long😁😁

2411 now it’s in STO

It's a sexy.. and capable ship!

The Battleaxe

Are they main shuttle bay door closed

I really like the Discovery ships...at least most of them. Certainly better than ships from ENT or TNG, IMHO. I think you said you were being dramatic, so that's ok. lol

Awesome ship

Too much orange, seems a bit bright. I would prefer a more bland paint scheme. Think Galaxy class. :-)

Just wish the ship was little bigger

Would have been better if the ship comparison was stargazer and Prometheus

like the side view

Nope, I would never command this ship. It's ugly and deserves to be destroyed. I rather use an Oberth(a far better looking ship than this ugly thing.

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I do not like it.

I find it stupid looking. The hatchet "saucer" is A really stupid design choice, ether go with a whole saucer or don't have one at all. I find all half assed saucer sections as stupid looking and makes no sense. As to "sleek" um what? The Miranda, Connie, the Connie refit, and even the discovery looks sleeker (I feel dirty now) than this stupid looking ship. From the back view looks like a x-wing heading for another ship.