No matter what Kevin asked she was not going to answer his questions. She was all in her imagination. She came to win an argument opposed to having a conversation.

This is why I love teaching engineering. I don't have to deal with students who think their ideologies based on "feelings" reflect reality because numbers don't care about your feelings.

She proves women hear things differently than what we as men are saying

This lady made this conversation way more difficult than it needed to be.

She’s purposely in denial about MOST women. Most women want options to work if they choose. Men don’t get that option. And when women WANT to work it’s the white collar “shaking hands, doing deals six figure unlimited PTO” jobs it’s not the jobs where you’re running the cities sewer system, or loading in a truck going to restore power after a natural disaster jobs. Both career paths pay relatively the same.

She said a bunch of nothing. As an educated, 6 figure woman myself, married to a high valued man - I will say this… Kevin is 100% accurate. If women are presented the opportunity to work or stay home most women will decide to stay home to raise their children, myself included. I’m so blessed to be married to a man that earns a high salary which allows me to be present & more attentive to our children. My value & worth doesn’t come from a college degree, working, being a high earner etc. I love being present for my husband & our children. My husband creates the financial stability, I provide emotional stability. It works! I love taking my children to & from school, cooking breakfast & dinner, being present for all extracurricular activities, being emotionally stable & available for my husband. Our home is peaceful, calm, warm, loving & inviting mainly because I am present. I don’t feel the need to take over multiple roles in my marriage, more specifically his role. I don’t feel the need to compete with my husband. My husband and I have an inside joke, I tell him, ‘I’m meant to be rich & kept’ lol. he loves being the provider, it gives him a sense of purpose, motivation, makes him feel like a man. I love being the parent that provides the peace & warmth in our home. I recently stopped working my 6 figure business to work from home, with a more flexible schedule, allows me to have more peace, better stability for our children & that aligns with my families core values. We’ve always had a fun, loving, healthy family dynamic, but since making this transition I am more at peace with myself. Growing up my mom was the provider (modern woman mindset) so I subconsciously took on some of those masculine traits. My husband is the one To help me break that vicious masculine cycle. He have always told me, the value I add to our family is more valuable than money. Our children need me, he needs me. As a woman, knowing I don’t HAVE to work, reduces so many stressors in my life. I’m not angry, resentful, I’m not tired or over worked, my home is clean, warm, inviting, I don’t have piles of laundry because I’m too busy ‘working’. I’m at peace - i have time to myself, I am available to my husband & our children. Ladies, don’t feel like you have to achieve something beyond yourselves. Work on your mental health, recreate your subconscious mind, learn how to be a feminine poised woman. Cancel hustle culture- it’s a masculine trait. Take pride in being available for your children & spouse, there’s nothing wrong with that! Being a submissive wife is NOT BAD. Allow the man to take the lead, as you’re delicate & shouldn’t be compromised . I promise your marriage will thrive in every way possible! My husband and I have been married since 19 years old, that’s 12 years of Marriage thus far. It just gets better every year.

The first thing I get from this woman is she loves to hear herself talk, and secondly she’s not in it to learn anything because obviously she knows it all already 😏

Just listening to her talking is such a transcending experience to a higher level as a human being because I pushed myself to endure such huge agony.

"I don't find this conversation productive because I don't feel personally inspired by it." Conversations and debates aren't about making you feel better or inspired, they are about confronting different view points and potentially learning something from it.

It’s amazing how much she complicates a simple conversation…

My personal footprint and legacy are my 4 children that I raised. I stayed home and my husband worked. Our kids are amazing and we are expecting our 1st grandbaby. Nothing is more important in life than raising up the next generation!

I miss Kevin so bad! Shan is so disconnected from the average person, she surrounds herself with people like her.

“I don’t feel this conversation is productive because I don’t feel inspired” is a pretty insane way to judge the productivity of a conversation. Part of life is understanding and accepting uncomfortable truths.

My GrandFather Was Born In 1917....My Grandmother In 1922. They Would Listen To This Woman And Both Would Proclaim, "Young Woman, You're Educated Beyond Your Intelligence!"

This is where Kevin was shifting his content. I really enjoyed this and wish he got a chance to develop this fully. RIP KS

Such an detailed in depth conversation, Kevin was truly in his prime. I've learned so much as well as grown just in this past year. I owe him a huge thanks RIP KS. @shanboody your such an emotional intelligent lady by far.

She's no different from any other "I'm a PHD". She was listening to respond instead of listening to understand; that's why she completely missed the example he gave about 2 middle class people coming together and making things work. I wish she had come on HIS show as a guest so he could have really read her-her rights with facts, data, and statistics, but of course being a guest on her show he had to show her the same respect he ask people to give him when they come on his platform. I'm not going to waste my time going to see her content, but from this interview I can tell she's part of the problem. KS have the patience of a saint.

Mr. Samules, I think that it’s the right move that you are being intentional about taking this message to different platforms and audiences. Way to go!

God forbid this generation has to suffer a real crisis... I can already hear them sing: where have all the good men gone...

He swept the floor with her. She said a whole bunch of nuttin lol

This is too frustrating to watch lol. She’s deflecting every tough question. “What percentage of women of marrying age would want a stay at home dad?” “Uhhh…Well we have to change our definition of masculinity!!!!” 😂

Once KS started push'n back on what she was saying and flexing his own opinion. She felt the need to start cutting him off in the middle of what he was saying and did it multiple times. Showed her weakness in her convo skills.

What she said about women feeling good about raising a child, yet it's not anywhere near the feeling of success they get from working, perfectly proved what Kevin says about modern women being narcissistic! And they just don't have the self awareness to see it!

To me this is one of Kevin’s greatest interview. He Mentioned some valuable things.

She said something about focusing on her legacy. Legacy used to mean grandkids and the family surviving generations.

Shan still trying to prove to Kevin that we can’t read or write and we just want women to come down a notch. She ain’t been listening at all. Lol.

This was a very interesting conversation, especially with two individuals from two different generations. Wishing the best… 🌷.

Kevin was on point on so many levels.

I wasn't thrilled when I saw this collab because I feel like you could dissect her content & perfectly use it as examples in your teaching of what not to do

Soooo we are back to square one! It sounded promising in the last video, but towards the end Shan represents the upper echelon of women who wanted their needs catered too

Great conversation rip so much wisdom and knowledge

KS, You absolutely modeled respect for another person's platform and the respect of a mutual conversation.

The problem most men have is that they listen to what women think and feel. Women and children get off the boat first for a reason.

This lady really tried hard to be right n Prove Kevin Samuel wrong. She is using all feelings to make her point

Kevin is dropping Gems in the Conversation

RIP KS. As life goes on, and new challenges arrives, I’ll be thinking, what would Kevin say during these times. Thank you god father for your imprint you’ve done to many lives. RIP Goat 🐐 😇 🤙🏾🙏🏾💯

It seemed she didn’t hear what Kevin was saying because her audience isn’t by her acknowledgment “those women”. And even she wouldn’t admit that someone has to raise the kids…. And it doesn’t sound like that situation was one she had considered. But more the fantasy of perfection… 🤷🏽‍♂️

Mr. Samuels. You were a perfect gentleman on the lady’s show. Thank you for informing us by having these conversations. Power to black couples as husbands and wives. May our tribe increase. May we learn to work together as husband and wife in our respective roles.

Great insights as always sir! the editing on this is so jarring

It's sound like every time he makes a point she trys to word it differently 🤔

Kevin already pointed out why Shan is having an issue with grasping his point. She's in an anecdotal bubble. She's sincerely not considering the wants of the majority of 9-5 working women who are not thousand and millionaires. Great discussion tho.

I knew the chameleon would show her true colors 😆 it was only a matter if time.

Going through your vault KS, Rest up King

She is confused and needs time to mature. Kevin was patient but he can’t help her understand information currently outside of her ability.

The point KS is trying to make and that she fails to understand is that, generally speaking, men and women want different outcomes from relationships. Men understand and accept that fact. Men say to women: We know what you want from us and we're more than happy to give you what you want. We just have one question: Do you know what we want? Modern women's answer: You want what I want, it's simple. And that's the issue: modern women are not curious enough to understand men. Their need to be right is so strong that it kills any good relationship with a man. All KS is asking modern women is: What if you are wrong about men? Is that a possibility? The MW's answer is always: NO. So how can you build a relationship with someone who never admits they are wrong?

Dammit.. She's not listening specifically to understand. She's more listening to speak next. There's a difference. So stuck on high value this and that, high class, high income. Not realizing that most of these people calling in are None of those things. They are average pretending to be what they're not.. Average is NOT an insult.. This is the point. If you're average.. BE THAT. Sincerely, Average man that loves who I am.

I liked this conversation. They had a coming together to reconciliation of their philosophies

I enjoy watching these videos thanks.

She’s just like every other women he talks to. Every time he came with straight truth and forward questions she says “well if you say it like this…” why do we have to tell grown adult women the truth so delicately and around the point? That’s the problem now

She used the term “binary” several times. That alone told everything I need to know about her.

Hello Mr Samuels this video is one that I fill is very good and well done.

Good Interview

I haven't heard of this women until Kevin showed up on her show. She's sounding intelligent but not being intelligent. C'mon people this lady is in a fantasy world

The fast talking "smart" women. I avoid these types like the flu.

I like the fact that Kevin is factual He is actually stating facts and breaks down our theories down to the smallest decimal.

One of the best conversations without drama when you can listen to both sides.

Time stamp 10:27, look at Kevin’s face when she says, “Well we’ve also seen the rise in stay at home dads.” Classics🤣😂!

This sounded more like a debate between an academic who hasn’t traveled the country and been stuck in LA vs someone who actually speaks to real people on a regular basis. I wonder how many videos of Shan had watched of Kevin’s and if her opinions would change if she adopted Kevin’s format of interviewing random people across the country.

So much untapped potential gone to soon rest in power kevin you have taught alot of us valuable lessons

Mr. Samuels deserves an A+ for patience!

She gives me a headache. Average Joes and Joann's are teachers, plumbers, plant workers, retail, etc. The majority of us are not wanting millions of dollars, huge mansions, and expensive vehicles. 🤦‍♀️ Plus she speaks in sociological terms, I know them because I took a sociology class in college 25 years ago.

she thinks a man losing his virginty after 18 is late

gr8 convo! 💯

Her: “I don’t find this conversation productive because I don’t feel inspired by it. I don’t feel like I’ve gained anything.” Also her 3 min later: “Thank you so much for this conversation I learned a lot.” Can’t make this shit up!

She thinkin while he talkin. She not listening.

"I love being a mom BUT" That's literally what you can sum up a woman like her's mindset, she doesn't care about being a mother, or being a wife. Like backing her man, raising the children and making the home a family oriented life. Like doing that is some sort of curse, that if she focuses on the children and her home instead of a business, she's being held back somehow, like she's not living up to her potential. She cares about being a BOSS she wants control, she wants the income, she wants the status. She wants to be a MAN without any of the responsibilities that come with being a MAN. It would almost be sad if it wasn't for how arrogant some of the women are about it, men need to take back their control, opt out from these women. Find the ones and support them who are submissive to the men, and who actually WANT to take the feminine role she was created for (Eve was made for Adam, not Adam for Eve)

Love that he's surprisingly being patient with her ..😊

This was golden 🔥🔥🔥

I’m blessed to have a woman who likes a partnership. She makes around 100 and I’m at 70 and in a few years, I’ll be where she’s at. We travel, we buy luxury items and we respect each others position….love it

I could never and would never even attempt to practice that level of patience with such a disagreeable person. It's a completely pointless endeavor in general as they are almost never open minded, but to film it and put it out there for the world to see is extremely valuable. These conversations have to be had, and we would get nowhere if everyone were like me.

They smile go away every time Mr Kevin start with the cold hard facts!

I like her perspective she speaks on respect, problem solving, relationship building and she can articulate her points well, however the practice must apply to the application.

Used to love Shan when I was a teen. The philosophy she has doesn’t work and her outcomes ultimately aren’t what I want. It’s very much things will just come to me, and as a man it doesn’t work. She can only see the world thru her lens. I respect that. But she’s so eager to be in the conversation. She means well but isn’t pushing the conversation forward. She’s just diverting it to what she believes.

Shan is not a traditional woman.. shes a modern woman.

The most IMPORTANT legacy you can leave, is your family, not job or career.

Great convo

🤦🏾‍♂️ I stopped listening to Shan because all I'm hearing from her is "I'm not listening to Kevin, but spewing what I want that accords with my feelings".

🗣Ive noticed women have kids just so someone HAS to listen to them. ive also never met a women that has said "Yes Im just WRONG".......😂😂

True facts my Man, it hurts but it will set u Free 💯 💪 RIP KS When Men get married, or even single we have to work period! We are providers by nature, and don't have the option to choose like women

This was good conversation

This was a great episode, both of you shared valid point, this young lady was vibrant, very intelligent and awesome communicator. I believe this is part of the issue us as women being able to communicate with our men on the levels they may currently be on.💫

*She's an Air HEAD. She was listening to respond, only.*

omg, Kevin has so much of patience. The relationship should never start with negotiations, it kills the wow factor. will see what she asks for in her old age.

Ok. I understand why this isn't on her channel. major YIKES!!!

I honestly think the only thing this content does for most women is show them how to say the right words women lead with emotions 🤔 emotions over facts that logic is very dangerous added with selfishness and lack of accountability that's a dangerous mixture and this woman is a prime example says all the right words

She represents the modern female population with how she speaks in ideals. Kevin came with stats, figures and data as men tend to do.

This was well done. The comment about "audience" is solid. It isn't just "High Value Male" vs "High Value Woman"... there are many shades of grey in between.

Lol that joint leadership...kills them every time lol

This is the results of having pretty girl privilege and living in a echo chamber. She has no clue about how real people date and the demands that the average woman has on men in the new dating era. But it's good she at least sat down for a conversation. Progress...🤷🏿‍♂️

This is what women do to sound intelligent. Just convolute the conversation with a bunch of word salad to make you think they are actually saying something. Their goal is just to confuse you and throw you off. All women do this and its insufferable.

It's true what Kevin I said about woman choosing to stay single. I think for me the idea that man is gonna want to replace you when you looks fade or cheat on you, I don't wanna work as hard or harder if I get married. If I don't have the time to pay attention to my man and take care of myself to today's beauty standard, when he divorces me I'm gonna have to work 3x as hard as a single divorced mother and still end up alone.

I would love to hear her perspective in 40 years. I saw a young Iyanla VanZant on the Phil Donahue show attacking Shahazarad Ali for writing a book Iyanla had not even read at the time but decades later I see Iyana echoing the same sentiments as Iyanla. Time reveals truth

Looking forward to this! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

This was depressing and familiar - she showed no listening skills, diverted to pushing unusual extremes that have bad outcomes like stay at home nurturing dads as if they were regular and beneficial and had long term potential, and refused in general to accept that women were forcing men to react to their impossible requirements. The outcome is MGTOW. In the 80s and 90s and 00s, it was easy for men to do MGTOW by picking up a woman every few months in the old regular face to face way. No more. This is the depth that needs to be looked at now, but these women can’t even acknowledge the simple version of reality, never mind the 2nd stage

Thanks!

I am tiered of hearing the words - career, passion, independent, strong, successful, average Hustle etc. Nothing speaks love.

Don’t know what she’s talking about I read daily n didn’t have to go to no damn college. The audacity of these women

shan is a sweet talker, she just tries to sound fancy but everything she says is basic or conveys nothing.

I appreciate that this conversation even happened. One thing I wish Kevin would just answer the question that’s asked first then elaborate. It doesn’t feel like he’s truly listening. He went on an unnecessary tangent. She even clarified she was speaking about the gap in sexual knowledge not education and job but that’s where he went. I’m so proud of Shan for remaining calm and going with the flow when Kevin rambles. I would really like it if they had another conversation and this one was difficult to follow. I think they both were polite and respectful to each other but it felt like he had his guard up because many people do attack him. I would love another conversation now he knows that Shan isn’t trying to attack him or vilify him.

Keven your a legend