I wanna watch the last part of dog fight please

Next week.

Ex USN Nuke SS here. Dad is a NAMVET AVCM with nearly 300 trap landings on the USS Constellation (CV-64). I heard lots of war stories growing up, so am familiar with much of the airdale lingo. This is my first time watching your channel, and I LMFAO'd for several hours! That's ALWAYS been the problem with military movies- Hollywood sacrifices realism for dramatic license, and to make a flick understandable for general audiences. As an 'SS', I can tell you- Denzel Washington would have never made it past the point where he interfered with an Emergency Action Message ('EAM' = POTUS' authorization to launch a nuclear strike) in the movie 'Crimson Tide'. In reality, he'd have been SHOT on the spot... but then they wouldn't have had a movie! I really enjoyed your content, keep 'em coming!!!

I mean... how many John Johnsons are there out there? Probably a LOT. His name ain't that bad. lol

Goose actually calls him Bradley in the original when he’s at the piano. They were stuck with the name!

@@Linerunner99 I went to high school with a Tim Timmer and a John Johnson.

I know a person who’s first name is Jerker.

Capt Richard Richard, USN, Retired

Hahahaha.... Arm the seat, Bob!

"I'm outta flares!" "Nice knowing you, Bob!"

No it's just because the F-35 is a heavily sensitive jet and 90% of its info is still classified. They wouldn't let a fly near an F-35 except for photography related purposes. However even photography of an F-35 is only possible with some clear authorization from some 3 star

@@cipherunknown_ apart from that it’s also mainly because they needed 2 seaters to film the cockpit parts and the F-35 has no 2 seater variants. The F-18 does.

@@spitfire_flyer5659 there is a possible story reason that would make sense: risk management. If in the film verse, the Navy didn't have many F35s, and the SAMs we're capable of engaging stealth aircraft, than sending a solid chunk of your very limited stock would be considered too much of a risk (ntm, the risk of anything that survives the shoot down falling into enemy hands). A low altitude strike with an F/A18E/F would therefore be a viable option, albeit a risky one for the pilots given the mission perimeters.

@@Tank50us Yeah, well you can't worry too much about the plot, cos in reality, wouldn't they have got some elite forces up on the ridge of that crater to just illuminate the target for some long range laser guided missiles to obliterate it?

@@jimbobeire how'd you insert them?

Goose naming his son Bradley is also a very Goose thing to do

@@reltius2993 "Meet my son, Mav! His name's Bradley!" "..." "Ya get it? Bradley Bradshaw? Like, Brad Brad?" "I-i-i-i-i get it goose..."

nice

Those last few didn't even register to me as callsigns; I thought that they were rhyming off the names of ships that these new people had come from, or something.

"How did you get the callsign of Bookcase?" "Well...I was really drunk, see, and there was this guy who I was helping move, and there was a flight of stairs, and...and I didn't catch a three-wire. We'll leave it at that."

Lmao

The problem is almost the entire movie would be CGI.

His dad died in 65 so it would need to be a flashback... not to mention having to recast Skerritt. Also pulling off the practical in-jet flying for it would be tough. Only Phantom IIs left are flown by other counties. And then there's the prequel problem. They almost always suck.

Seems like too much CGI. Certainly wouldn't be surprised if they make another after raking in so much cash though.

@@Linerunner99 fair, it really does feel like Iran just acts as a museum for old American jets huh they got F4s, F5s, F14s and more

However, despite it being not really possible, really wish I could see a top gun intro but the jets are replaced with phantoms, it would be sick

Cape Rainy Assault!

Which one... every ace combat had a canyon run mission lol

Death Star Treach Run. Ace Combat is largely inspired by Star Wars.

​@@eclipsemantisI said the exact same thing

I was quietly saying the exact same thing as well. The Star Wars trench run is just a straight and mostly level trench. But most canyon runs in Ace Combat come with tight turns below a certain altitude.

I'm so surprised that not many people commented on this. The moment I heard Gonky say it, I was right back in my old navy days. "You clowns have to start..." I'm still laughing at it.

I just bought an old Ercoupe because it was damn near the cheapest flightworthy plane on the market, and I fully intend to dress like a sh!ttier discount Tom Cruise when I go to fly it for my PPL, if only because I find it funny to act like some cocky test pilot... While flying the "world's safest plane" held together with hopes and dreams after 70 years of flying.

Ikr even the animation of the bomb going into the chute was identical 😂

In the theater when he says "The target is less than 3 meter wide" i said "OH COME ON REALLY" .. only left thing was Rooster turning to someone and saying "i used to target womprats in my T-16 and they are less than that"

GF and I literally turned to each other in the theater and whispered, "It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port."

We were all thinking it!!! :)

I had a production MSGT tell me one of the craziest stories I ever heard. You know how it can be a royal pain to get your personal vehicle shipped overseas as a military guy, and they put limits on how many you can take over?... Apperently one guy found a way around it without spending thousands to ship his car (a corvette I think he said). He was over on one of the darker more secluded corners of the flightline at the time, working on a jet as a mechanic, not far from one the least used flightline gate at Mildenhall, when he see's this C-130 taxi by about as close to the gate as possible... Lights off, which is unusual, normally C-130s only doing that when theyre trianing for lights out black ops stuff, using night vision, and there werent any exercises like that going on. It parks in the nearest parking spot, one almost never used because it was so far away from the units. ... Then he sees the ramp drop... And all of a sudden, with lights off, a sweet corvette peels out of the back of the plane, tires screeching, and flies out the flightline gate in a matter of seconds... Apparently one of the pilots or aircrew must have sworn his crew to secrecy, and gotten them to conspire to help him literally smuggle his personal vehicle into England, choreographing this little escape near the gate with precision... And he was the only one around to see this go down because it was so rare a maintainer had to be out there to work on anything. Dude looked around and realized he was the only witness to the whole escapade, lol (so take his story with a grain of salt, but true or not, I find it funny as f@#$).

@@hatman4818 I choose to believe it. Great Story.

Whoa, that's meta. That would mean that Hollywood made a movie about Maverick's exploits back in the 80s and had Tom Cruise play him, because they look so much alike. Mind. Blown.

@@PolarizedMechs I think it goes deeper, the movie in the 80s had someone else play 'maverick' so even though they all know his story and exploits, they don't recognize him, because of bad casting

I think they planned to do it. It's just a small detail, but on one of F/A-18s in the intro, you can see "Payback" written on the side (near the canopy)

Nah, this is simpler. It's already passed through copyright jail.

They kept it realistic that way, more or less. The Navy had very few opportunities for air combat during Desert Storm (which Maverick served in) because the USAF's F-15s were gobbling up kills. There was only one F-14 that scored a kill over Iraq, and they shot down...a helicopter. The Navy got no kills over Bosnia or Serbia, and there was no air combat the second go around in Iraq. So it makes sense that Maverick would be standing pat at 3 kills. Though they were wrong in saying he was the only pilot since Vietnam with 3 kills--Rico Rodriguez has either 3 or 4. (Though he's USAF; maybe the Navy pretends the other service doesn't exist.)

@@PolarizedMechs Makes me even more curious what his legendary exploits were.

@@PolarizedMechs I don't know if we can assume this world's history matches ours just because they have the same(?) geography and hardware. For all we know they had wars in this world that we never did IRL, or vice versa. I've always taken Top Gun to be close to our world but not quite the same.

@@PolarizedMechs exactly this. Most of the scrapping in recent years has been on the floor not the sky. Add in the Serbs creating no fly zones by pointing microwave ovens into the sky to look like SAM sites and it's easy to see why even CAS was difficult to come by. I recall being told that CAS was unavailable as it's unsafe below 15k, to which my obvious response was I f**king know it's unsafe, I live below 15k on the f**king ground and that's why I'm asking

@@PolarizedMechs i renember Dale Snort speach about how they traded the AMRAAM for the LANTIRN integration in the Tomcat "i had been trying to kill something in the sky for over 20 years and there was nothing..but there were more and more things to kill in the ground"

of course the are they have films planned for the next 35 years. Welcome to hollywood in 2022.

I thought the whole perch comment was because no one else knew that Mav had his papers pulled (explained later) so they thought rooster decided to wait.

I was a USAF jet engine mechanic. This is definitely what talking to your career brothers from other services is like. As much as I hated my time in the USAF, I in many ways did not envy Navy and Marine people working the same job in their respective services, they tend to be even more high strung, even more restricted personal freedoms wise, and even less well resourced. I had mad respect for them, but didnt envy their jobs. I also got the impression they generally had more decent people in the chain who knew how to prioritize better, and the lower enlisted seemed to have better comraderie than us because of the shared issues. So the USAF being more relaxed on a lot of stuff isnt always a good thing, as much as I benefitted from it personally. I'm no fighter pilot but I am obsessed with aviation history. And from what I've gathered, USAF seems to do better in dogfighting and operations skills, because thats the hardest part of their job. Its what their training focusses on... By contrast, a huge amount of training and operation time in the Navy is spent on landing skills... Because landing a jet on a rolling carrier deck, and getting it quickly turned around and back in the air, is actually in some ways far harder skills than even combat. Just look at how many pilots have either died or had to eject due to carrier landings. Like, for the Navy, it's better to have good pilots that make it in the air and make it through landings, than amazing dogfighters and strategists who wind up dead after a botched carrier landing because they didnt get enough landings in to excel at it. Thats not to say that Navy pilots are bad dogfighters by comparison. I can think of at least one example where the diligence of Navy F-14 pilots payed off over the bravado of USAF pilots. The Navy and USAF got their F-14s and F-15s around the same time (I think the USAF got F-15s first by a few years, so they already had some practice on them by the time the F-14 was entering service). Pilots in each service had some competetive debates over which was the better plane in combat. It came to a head when an F-15 unit and an F-14 unit happened to be going to Nevada to do totally different exercises, but at the same time (not interacting with each other. They were actually specifically warned by higher ups, no hot shot BS with the other services planes). Well, apparently the lower commanders and pilots ignored that completely, and came to a gentlemans agreement with each other. The F-15s and F-14s would basically participate in an unsanctioned "exercise" before the actual respective exercises kicked off. It would occur as the F-14s were flying into the base from their home station, so they'd already be in the air anyway for that. The F-15 pilots believed they had the better jet for dogfights, and for the most part, they were right. The F-14s engines were cantankerous, and would likely flame out at much lower altitudes than the F-15, so the F-15 had a lot of climb advantage. They also generally got better avionics. They were also at a practice disadvantage, again, the F-15 pilots had more pracrice in their own jets. So the USAF had good reason to be cocky. Sadly, it meant the USAF pilots didnt really spend any time learning their adversary... And thats what the Navy pilots did. They spent what little time they had before this shenanigans kicked off, to study the F-15 and F-14, looking for any advantages or disadvantages they could exploit. And they found one. The F-15 has a fixed sweep wing that gave it a better turn rate than the F-14 at about mach 0.9, which is where they were trained to try to stay at for dogfights... However, the F-14s variable sweep meant that it could achieve the most turn rate theoretically possible over a wide range of speeds... and there were plenty of other airspeeds where this variable sweep handed the F-14 a faster turn rate than the F-15... So most of the dogfights that day turned into F-14s suckering the F-15 pilots into turn fights, then staying out of the mach 0.9 airspeeds the F-15 excelled at, allowing many F-14 pilots to score kills by turning the tables. One F-14 pilot who gave an interview a while later even managed to kill an F-15 that went into the vertical to escape him, by following him up and managing to get sights on target just before he suffered an engine flame out himself (showing the competetive lengths they were willing to go to). All in all, most of the people involved generally agreed Navy won the exercise, and I like using it as an example of how knowing your own plane and the enemy plane better than the enemy pilot, can lead to victories regardless of the relative capabilities of the two aircraft. Its the pilot doing the dogfighting, not just the plane. I think this story kinda sums up the Navy's willingness to compensate for any equipment disadvantage with sheer dilligence. Btw, I think some of the people involved in this stunt did get in trouble. But there was only so much the Navy and USAF could do given how many experienced pilots were involved (cant just fire an entire fighter unit, lol). Also... Kinda looks bad to the public when an entire combat exercise occurs without authorization from higher leadership, so... I think the military kinda just owned and pretended it was supposed to happen all along, until someone spilled the beans what actually happened, in the media way later. I found this story reading an archived newspaper online, printed a long time ago. Ran across it randomly looking for other things, and became engrossed in reading it. Not sure I could find the source again, so ya know... Take the story with a grain of salt as to how accurate I portrayed it.

Now watch the differences between air national guard and active duty air force.

That is a lot better than saying the plane isn't fit for the bombing.

Also, b-2s and all sead\dead aircraft have to be grounded as well.

You don't need an act of congress, there are fairly real issues that can ground the F-35 fleet wide.

@@BoraHorzaGobuchul They could've made a contrivance that they are being used to attack other facilities in a coordinated strike. There are always bs handwaves you can add if it's really that important, in the end I don't think it matters. The movie was unrealistic but still very good and entertaining.

saying "this would be a peace of cake for the F-35 but they are all grounded due to the latest software issue for 1 month and the mission has to be executed in less than 3 weeks so the Hornet will do it" would be inmensely more realistic

Nice. Like how Pettigrew (real life Top Gun instructor) was in the bar with Charlie in the first one.

He wouldn't have made it through pilot training or TOPGUN if that were true.

@@CWLemoine That wasn't the only thing though...

@@Gustav_Kuriga what else was there? We don't get much back story other than a few passing comments.

Thing is this is classic "tell, dont show " story writing. Showing a flash back of him making it thru training pushing it till getting into top gun training where he has a close call that triggers something,, such as maybe his mother or even Maverick telling him how Goose died for instance, that would be good writing showing even thru abit of telling why he is so cautious even at this level. I even always took it that Hangman knew Rooster was a good talented pilot, and was trying to push him to get out of the comfort zone and over his hang ups to be better, maybe having been there when it happened an his attitude just made it that he could not do it any other way than this.

Bring some Kenny Loggins is not "this is Kenny Loggins." 😉😂

Does he still have the balabushka? (SP?)

Good one- he could have done that no look shot left handed.

Great reference to The Color of Money!

yes

As a 172 pilot my knowledge of g’s is limited but from what I understand in flight training you get the g’s by pulling or pushing on the flight controls to get to your flight attitude, once there the g’s should neutralize as you release the controls to just maintain the attitude so in that understanding you pull high g’s to go from steep dive to steep climb but once established in the climb out it should be around 1 g give or take. If it’s different in fighters please feel free to chime in and correct me as it’s just my experience flying small singles working my way through the licences to be a commercial multi pilot.

@@cschram78 no, the laws of physics and aerodynamics work the same for fighters and civil aircraft. I had a book that they used to train WW2 pilots and aside from the language and terms, it's pretty much the same. Only real difference is the WW2 manual taught pilots a shortcut to get a rough estimate of any aircraft's available g and thus turn rate at any speed and altitude using the aircraft's stall speed as the starting point.

You could be at least a PPL pilot if you wanted. I recently bought an Ercoupe because it was the cheapest thing on the market, but you might be interested in them because they're popular with pilots with leg disabilities. The plane was certified from the getgo to tie the rudder control into the aileron linkage. And there's an STC I think to relocate the brake pedal to a control on the dash or yoke... I know there's even an STC that adds a wheel chair access door so even people who need wheel chairs can fly them, and sock away their chair in the compartment to take with them.

Smile, thanks for your love and support towards me

I remember.

Heavy with the Bugs and had that guy who was a Cylon in another series.

@@MotoroidARFC Yeah, that was Michael Trucco. I remember one episode where James Brolin and the other pilot who's callsign was "Chaser" just casually (it was Brolin) referred to a Tomcat as a "two-seater" for a mission they had to do in Iraq, or some other middle eastern country. I couldn't have been older than 10-12 yrs old and I remember thinking "that's a TOMCAT you fool, TOMCAT(S)!" 🤣

Pepperidge Farms remembers

*"...a history of high speed passes, on 5 air control towers....and one ADMIRAL'S DAUGHTER!"

Goose: Penny Benjamin?

@@guts-141 And you, asshole. You're lucky to even be here!

It was probably cheaper for the studio to film at North Island, being so close to San Diego.

Yup. Advanced military,,,thank god.. because military in u s cant fight with hands.. Im a navy brat,,,, and as a high school I can crap on any navy guy in street fighting

They kind of did. The way the showed the mission on the screen with graphics, the ways they pre run the mission, much of the pacing of the music… plus the way they lite the interior of his helmet in Darkstar was the same as the lighting in the Helmet on his HALO jump

I didn’t say it was. I said bring Kenny Loggins. In the first one it switches to danger zone again when he goes to Top Gun. 👍

@@CWLemoine It's just that you said it when the Top Gun theme played. I know that they recreated the carrier scene at the beginning where they transitioned from the theme to Danger Zone, but the two aren't always played together through the film. I didn't mean any criticism or malice, I was just pointing out a fact that I thought you may have not known. Have a good one... :)

I know. But I said Bring Kenny Loggins not “this is Kenny Loggins”

You beat me to it. I just posted basically this identical post. That'll teach me for not reading through the comments first. I also mentioned 633 Squadron which also has a "trench run."

@@theworldisfascinating Thanks Roger. The difference is that 633 Squadron was fictional and also fed off The Dambusters story. If you're interested in further research Paul Brickhill wrote the book of The Dambusters and also The Great Escape. Wing Commander Guy Gibson (C.O. of 617 Squadron) wrote his own account in "Enemy Coast Ahead" Up to the present day, 617 Squadron still exist and are flying F35's!

oh hey there Chris! Awesome to see you here!

@@ingvarsimons7548 hey thanks, this channel is awesome

@@ingvarsimons7548 ty

Heh, you might need to remind those on the 405 then. I'd say a good 10% that I see don't wear helmets.

True - Suspension of disbelief

They went to North Island, not Miramar. Two different bases.

True... confused it with the first movie.

They barely went with Miramar in the first movie. Virtually every scene “on base” that didn’t involve the flight line was filmed on NTC San Diego.

@@jasonpeacock9735 Filmed, yes. But North Island was never mentioned at all, so to the vast majority of people who saw the film, Top Gun was at Miramar.

That's Part 6.

@@CWLemoine Including the stealing of the F14 leading to that?

Yup. We did the whole movie.

633 Squadron from 1964 is even closer to the TGM scenario.

And Iron Eagle 2

@@CWLemoine true, it looks like the legendary WW2 bombing mission it’s been copied to death by Hollywood but each film wraps it with their own story line.

Low level bombing looks better on the big screen then high level bombing.

@@CWLemoine True, but I try not to think about that one.