Don’t Install This EV Charger, Government Warns Electricians

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The Government warns electricians NOT to install a popular WallBox EV charger - because it could be used it to bring down the national grid…
…the ECA pushes for big changes to payment terms…
…and two fatalities in the UK this week underline the importance of electrical safety…
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00:00 Electrical News Weekly 04th March 2024
00:44 Govt warns electricians not to install popular Ev Charger
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02:33 Two fatalities after spate of blazes blamed on electrical issues
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@mfx1 Ай бұрын

If the grid can be bought down by a charger that says more about our grid security than the product and if it was that dangerous how is even on sale in the first place? How does the charger even access the grids network in the first place?

@edc1569 Ай бұрын

I think, and I'm guessing here, that the government has mandated there there has to be some firmware between the chargers software and the microcontroller that signals the car to start charging, this firmware inserts a randomised delay of about 10 minutes, with the intention of making it impossible for a hacker to make a lot of cars start charging at the very same moment which would be a big issue for the grid.

@retrozmachine1189 Ай бұрын

You'd be surprised and alarmed if you knew just how bad some of the stuff out there really is. Genuinely at the level of having a locked front door, but no walls. Nice web management page in the device that prompts for a password but the underlying API by which you send commands and receive responses is not only completely open access it's not even encrypted by any method, not even https.

@edc1569 Ай бұрын

@@retrozmachine1189 yeah as always its a shame the government didn't build a centralised platform, instead we have 500 small companies having a go at implementing platforms with all sorts of challenges, duplicated efforts and endless APIs trying to glue systems together. As soon as they go bust their tax-payer funded equipment looses some or all functionality. From a grid security perspective as long as the command time delay/randomiser remains intact it doesn't really matter though.

@mfx1 Ай бұрын

@@edc1569 Relying on and trusting manufacturers to implement that properly without a robust test/approval process before they can be sold as well as having an infrastructure that could be bought down that easily seems like a VERY bad idea!

@dougle03 Ай бұрын

@@edc1569 I think this exposes far greater problems with grid stability and capacity. There is only a tiny % of EV's on the road currently, with that set to increase exponentially over the next few years, where is the investment going to come from to shore up the grid! Tot up the total amount of road transport fuel sold in a day, convert that to energy in mW, then go looking for that in the grid...! Spoiler alert: That's a whopping 13.45GWh per day, and ignores the expected additional load ASHP's will be adding; a few charger points being open to on/off abuse is only a very tiny problem.... Equally, and to your point: Lets not encourage government meddling in this, they have a very very poor track record of getting these things right...

@ANTHONYBOOTH Ай бұрын

- what precisely was the fault that caused fatalities?

@ANTHONYBOOTH Ай бұрын

I had a DNS amplification attack a few days ago on my system, - I only noticed it because I have a very sophisticated DNS system which I need in order to access my PBX... - I was just doing a routine patrol and saw an unusual IPV6 neighbour that I could not explain, - so I have disabled IPv6 ...my whole rig works just fine on IPv4 only...

@retrozmachine1189 Ай бұрын

I'm impressed someone found your IPv6 at all, unless a common DNS record was pointing at it? My IPv4, semi-permanent, gets more or less a 24 x 7 probing but IPv6, also semi-perm, (LAN and WAN) barely get a peep. I have drop rules in place to discard any attempts from 'non-Australia' IPs which drops 99.99999% of attempts. Seems us Aussies are too busy outside enjoying the sun to bother starting attack scripts, or too stupid. Not sure which ...

@ANTHONYBOOTH Ай бұрын

@@retrozmachine1189 well, they did not find it exactly, - they were somehow connecting to one of my (IPv4) DNS connections... - I think the problem was caused by publishing my fqdn for my phone system = only all the wrong people see it = I removed the post with it on.... - earlier today, I saw an IPv6 neighbour which I did not recognise...

@mattbeddw Ай бұрын

Monstrous and conflagration Side note, the government have said don't install this ev charger because its a cyber risk etc, but then grants an exception to let them be sold still?

@dougsaunders8109 Ай бұрын

It could be Campari and Latte on a drinks theme

@ianemery2925 Ай бұрын

The news about the Copper SB is EXACTLY why I dont like internet connected chargers; next, the government will force remote disabling of older chargers that dont meet the moving goalposts of internet security. No government, North Korean, Chinese, or Russian hacker can take down my commando socket.

@Dog-whisperer7494 Ай бұрын

Another great new weekly Joe 👍

@efixx Ай бұрын

Thanks Sean! 😃

@usefulrandom1855 Ай бұрын

If I buy a charger with PEN fault and RCD built in can it be fed from a 40A MCB (non RCD side) from main dist board? Meter cupboard is not an option. 6mm twin and earth internally run in plastic trunking? Would that be ok?

@chrisfs150 Ай бұрын

Yes that would be fine

@chrisfs150 Ай бұрын

Depending on how far the cable run is.....

@usefulrandom1855 Ай бұрын

@@chrisfs150 Run would only be about 10m tops. Technically 3 pin is enough for me. However, I think a proper charger is better long term!

@chrisfs150 Ай бұрын

@@usefulrandom1855 yeah you'd be with what you suggested then

@jamesreilly8455 Ай бұрын

How long should it take for the goody bag to be delivered? Asking for a recent winner😊

@efixx Ай бұрын

Ugh, we're not great at turning them round quickly James. Having said that I've just had a load of prizes dropped off so I should be able to get some out next week. 👍

@jamesreilly8455 Ай бұрын

Fantastic!! Keep up the good work guys. Hope Joe is feeling better soon💪

@dieseldragon6756 Ай бұрын

_Latte..._ ☕ No, that isn't a guess - I'm trying to describe the poor punctuality of this train, but my autocorrect isn't working. 🚆🕥😋 But talking of trains, I think the *best* EV charging system the UK's ever had were the ones installed by British Rail (And successors) from the 1950s onward. Simple, efficient, continuous fast charging, 25kV at up to 5MW power delivery, and no trip-worthy cables lying around all over the place because they're suspended at sensible heights! 🚄⚡💯👍 I mean, think about it: When was the last time *you* saw a Eurostar depart Paris, fly past Arras, and then have to stop for three hours to top-up a battery? 🇬🇧🚄💨🇫🇷😉👍 #ViveLeTGV 🇬🇾🚄🇫🇷❤‍🔥💨🤘

@dieseldragon6756 Ай бұрын

Also:... R: _Batman! The Batmobile won't start!_ 😳 B: _Check the battery._ 🔋 R: _What's a « Tery? »_ 🦇 (Don't worry, I'm _not_ here all week! 😇)

@contytub Ай бұрын

Okay so step 1. Buy 1 unit. Step 2. Disassemble it and use the circuitry only to tap randomly. Step 3. Havok

@EdwardBretherton Ай бұрын

gruesome and monstrous

@efixx Ай бұрын

Nice one Edward, tune in to next week's show to see if you got it right! 😃

@bluebellelectrical Ай бұрын

Treasure and monstrous?

@orielzob2821 Ай бұрын

Ferret n whiskers

@grahammason1407 Ай бұрын

Rummage and Combats

@DeKempster Ай бұрын

The S in IoT stands for security. Why the fuck does a wallbox need an internet connection for?

@G1ZQCArtwork Ай бұрын

Words are Gruesome and Rummage.

@dougsaunders8109 Ай бұрын

Ferret and Latte

@Dog-whisperer7494 Ай бұрын

Whiskers and Latte

@efixx Ай бұрын

Nice guesses. 👍

@olly7673 Ай бұрын

Thanks Joe but...... More importantly.... So who is this Efixx character Ray, of whom you speak?

@efixx Ай бұрын

Ray is our tame scriptwriter who writes the news. He's a legend with words. 💪

@olly7673 Ай бұрын

@@efixx have we seen his ugly mug/ Clooney visage at any point?

@RFSolutionsLtd Ай бұрын

"FERRET" and "Boffins" 😉

@efixx Ай бұрын

Now that would be remarkable synergy wouldn't it? 🤔😂

@RFSolutionsLtd Ай бұрын

@@efixx You could call it that.. 😂

@efixx Ай бұрын

Love it! 👍

@mark_just_mark Ай бұрын

Whiskers and Monstrous

@efixx Ай бұрын

More good guesses Mark! 👍

@mark_just_mark Ай бұрын

@@efixx Keeps me busy on a Monday afternoon!!! 😁

@richardatkinson7854 Ай бұрын

Could it be Whiskers and Skinny?

@kevinhenryviii Ай бұрын

Thump and ferret

@TheChipmunk2008 Ай бұрын

Gruesome and conflagration

@efixx Ай бұрын

Nice guesses, see if you're right next week! 😃

@mdj1983 Ай бұрын

"Gruesome" & "latte"

@CatsGoRawr Ай бұрын

Whiskers and monsterous

@efixx Ай бұрын

Great guesses, make sure you listen to next week's show to see if you got it! 😃

@MattMarineEng Ай бұрын

thump and monstrous

@keeperjenkins1814 Ай бұрын

Skinny Latte

@Cardetailingburnley Ай бұрын

ferrit wiskers

@Jasonf-km5mq Ай бұрын

whiskers, latte

@MarcusNailor Ай бұрын

Boffins & monstrous 🤞🤞🤞

@Jasonf-km5mq Ай бұрын

monstrous, latte

@IAAITKEN Ай бұрын

Monstrous and thump?

@ambiencelectronica Ай бұрын

Bull.

@efixx Ай бұрын

Bear. Your turn.

@Maxposion Ай бұрын

Whiskers and Latte