Doom Strategy Guide - Okuplok's Arch-Vile Cave

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Deemed impossible to beat in one segment; the infamous slaughter-map of Okuplok is analyzed in this series. This tutorial explains several survival strategies for the third fight: the Arch-Vile Cave.
Okuplok is considered by many as the most difficult doom map ever created (even though the verdict on that is still up to debate). The map is heavily criticized for it's wildly varying levels of difficulty between each fight, together with a major health and armor starvation. This makes it extremely frustrating as a challenge, especially when you die to a difficult fight, after having cleared several easy (and borderline boring) fights for 3 hours. Some consider that the only reason why no one has single-segmented Okuplok on UV yet, is because no one even wants to try. I wouldn't be surprised.
Regardless of the criticism, Okuplok is popular, and many players struggle with several of it's difficult fights. This video's purpose is to help those players with guidelines, strategies, statistics, and other useful tips. I did a thorough research of the known strategies for these fights, but in case I missed something: feel free to give your feedback in the comment section below. Any new information can help everyone else who's struggling!
All the footage for this video series was recorded on Ultra Violence difficulty.
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Okuplok slaughter-map: dsdarchive.com/wads/oku2v31
Music:
Matt Gray - Last Ninja 2 Central Park Loader Theme (Last Ninja 2 OST, 1988)
LPad - Barabbas Panegyric (Eternal Doom MIDI Community Pack, 2022)
Stuart Rynn - Ocean Flute (Doom: Sunlust OST, 2015)
James Paddock - Points of View (2014)
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Sources:
Coincident: • World First Saveless r...
decino (1): • 30K SPECIAL - Okuplok ...
decino (2): • Doom II - Okuplok Slau...
Arbys550: • (Doom 2) Okuplok Slaug...
blueskull: • Doom II: Okuplok Slaug...
42PercentHealth (1): • Doom 2: Dawn of the De...
42PercentHealth (2): • Doom 2: Untitled 2 by ...
42PercentHealth (3): • Doom 2: Untitled 2 by ...
johnny loveless: • okuplok unnamed2.wad p...
Azuruish TAS: • Doom 2: Okuplok Slaugh...
Red Recluse TAS: • Doom 2 Okuplok Slaught...
Erik TAS: • Doom 2: Okuplok Slaugh...
Zero Master TAS: • Doom II: Okuplok Slaug...
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Chapters:
00:00 Okuplok
01:14 Preparing the Arena
02:31 About Crossing Corners
03:44 Strategy 1: Reckless!
04:39 Strategy 2: West Corner
06:55 Strategy 3: East Side
08:24 Statistics
09:35 Understanding the Results
11:05 Conclusion
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@arc-sd8sk Жыл бұрын

idk why a strategy guide for a map I'll never play is so insanely intriguing but thank you for making it

@veloarc3321 Жыл бұрын

Watch his strategy video on Sunlust god machine on fast monsters. It’s a good watch.

@arc-sd8sk Жыл бұрын

@@veloarc3321 I did! It was awesome!

@yazanabbadi4247 Жыл бұрын

saaaaaaaame. I just played for fun with iddqd cheat

@AntonyCannon Жыл бұрын

This ^

@vouvusbovus9100 Жыл бұрын

I tried playing it, but I couldnt wven get past the platforming at the beginning

@wah9928 Жыл бұрын

Glad to see that you still do the Okuplok guides despite beating the map with no saves. Was afraid you'd say "just watch my run". Thank you Edit: My guess would is the reckless strategy

@Pezmage1 Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly! After the playthrough came out and then we didn't see another upload for a bit I was like "Oh no, maybe he's (understandably) burnt out on the map, bummer" glad to see he isn't!

@Boukansha Жыл бұрын

This man is making a guide for anyone who is crazy enough to try to beat Okuplok on UV.

@kilotron702 Жыл бұрын

I feel sorry for the poor masochist who takes on this map on Fast-UV, if that’s even possible. (I initially said Nightmare but then I remembered enemies revive on their own there, which would be nigh-impossible.)

@solar901 Жыл бұрын

@@kilotron702 even regular UV is most likely impossible

@user-if1ef9iv8n Жыл бұрын

Dude you and Decino's analysis/strategy videos are awesome! Please continue making these!

@Chunes3 Жыл бұрын

I love the tip about how to take corners when there might be projectiles coming. I've been playing Doom for 28 years but somehow that never occurred to me.

@Fillduck Жыл бұрын

Yes, more Okuplok guides

@ObnoxiusBrat Жыл бұрын

You gave me hope that someday Okuplok will be completed on UV

@odegarage Жыл бұрын

Your videos are really high quality and as other have said, amazingly interesting to people who might never even play these kinds of maps. It's been a real joy to watch and looking forward to the next one!

@taebek5824 Жыл бұрын

Not just maps, I haven’t even played Doom for years yet I find all his content really engaging and interesting.

@RMMLz Жыл бұрын

I watched the entire run. It was amazing. Can't wait to see you do these runs live. The reactions are unbelievable

@mjc0961 Жыл бұрын

Well I'm going to guess that East Side is most survivable. It seemed to provide the most control over how many Archies come out since you can see them coming. West Side looked more challenging, you hang out too long because nobody's shown up yet and then 4 or 5 show up. And Reckless is going to be a whole lot of luck based on how the Archies decide to move, plus once you run into the west cave for cover, if many Archies are still alive and free, you will get overrun and killed because there's nowhere further to hide. Edit below the fold for spoilers: whooooo I got one right!!! 🥳🥳 Well at least I got it right answer wise. Now to keep watching and see if my reason was correct. EDIT 2: Ah so I was right about Reckless, but I didn't consider the surprise Mancubus during the West strategy

@davidllorensesteve5055 Жыл бұрын

I need more…. This series of videos are amazing!!

@marcinwasko851 Жыл бұрын

Cyberdemon saying hello to Wilhelm is a perfect summary of the whole map actually ;-) even with the best strategies, things... happen ;-)))))

@tavanium Жыл бұрын

Very much enjoy your Okuplok videos. Thank you for being entertaining as well as informative.

@ZHDINC Жыл бұрын

"Which strategy do you think is the most survivable?" Whichever strategy you did in the saveless run which is fresh enough in my mind to know it was East. And nailed it! Hahaha

@saiprithvi6730 Жыл бұрын

I watched your entire okuplok run on itytd, can't wait to see how you took advantage of the linedefs on the more challenging fights to turn things in your favour.

@summersmashhit9177 Жыл бұрын

The one in the first castle (with the mancubus walls, revenants, cyberdemons and archvile towers) was great. Instead of crossing the linedef that closes the door, you can just take the teleporter, wake everything up and run back out to safety. It's easy to replicate as well, unlike the movement needed for the revenant corridor.

@atmosdwagon4656 Жыл бұрын

I'm doing mostly Reckless before going into the East Corner for one simple reason: Bottlenecking and splash damage. First, Arch-viles are fast mofos, so any extra splash damage I can inflict is worthwhile, especially since the variance on Mr. Cyberdemon vs the Mancubi has been rather unkind to me and I end up using more rockets than I'd like on cleanup. The second reason is that the splash damage component of the rocket launcher is the most consistent part vs tightly packed enemies, and the archies start really close together. Nailing half of them with ~80 to 30 extra damage per rocket at the start improves the hiding strategy immensely such that they die in 2 rockets (or 35 cells) per archie instead of 3. So i play it a little more dangerous than shown here at the prefired rockets step by backstepping a little more to give myself more distance and time to get those initial rockets in and using one of the pillars on the right to break LOS briefly before ducking into the east corner. It's very risky because the timing to break LoS is much shorter and it needs to be timed correctly to prevent an early breakout that cuts me off, but because the front archies are the first to see me, they are nearly always the first to stop and start channeling their blast at me as soon as I enter their range (which is basically the whole room from the back anyway), this keeps all the others penned in to absorb that extra rocket damage and prevent them from swarming out when I step to the right around the 3rd pillar. If I'm especially lucky, the rocket AoE will make the front archies flinch, keeping them immobilized just that extra moment longer. However, I would never recommend relying on that since the Arch-Vile flinch rate is only ~4%.

@coincident Жыл бұрын

That's a nice strategy. Definitely faster and more ammo efficient than the east strategy I presented. In this series I'm solely focusing on finding the highest survivability% of each fight, but if you have a save-game close by and are willing to take extra risks, strategies like this one may end up being the best for you, especially if you want to spice things up a notch! :)

@atmosdwagon4656 Жыл бұрын

@@coincident Agreed on all of it, and especially coming from the only person to do a non-TAS single segment run of Okuplok! I am using segmented runs to play through Okuplok because it is as much a puzzle as it is action (to a point anyway). Though I am retaining whatever ammo/damage between major fights to see where I will need to improve or change my strategy. In any case, these videos are fantastic and I hope to see more down the line.

@MeowgiTV Жыл бұрын

I just started watching this series after finishing your God Machine video. What a treat to find part 3 just got uploaded :D

@appledrawss1353 Жыл бұрын

wake up babe new coincident okuplok strategy guide video just dropped

@Darkmage1293 Жыл бұрын

I think this is one of the rare few times you get to see the "Reckless" strategy actually CONSERVE ammo.

@tonyandsammyclub Жыл бұрын

There is, of course, the ‘Chaos’ method: Don’t kill any of them until after you kill the Archviles. That will prevent them from reviving the monsters

@Erik-bt3om Жыл бұрын

My original intention with this fight was to center the cyberdemon In front of the arch vile trap, get him to shoot at me while I duck into his alcove, thus hitting the arch viles in the process. I even hit him with a rocket to keep his aggro, but alas he gets distracted by the barons and mancubi, leaving me to deal with 16 angry arch viles. At least they had to work their way around the other monsters. Naturally I'll be stuck without rockets at this point so I rush the mancubus cliff and attempt to push them back to where they won't be a problem (mostly to stack myself on rockets again), as I still have the revenants and imps to deal with. The revenants down by the red door are slowly infighting with the mancubi on the cliff, hince my momentary pause while firing my first three rockets. I noticed that they were all dead from watching azuruish's run when he got to the red door. But that's a story for another day. Keep the strategy guide coming.

@summersmashhit9177 Жыл бұрын

I usually run past the prison back out to the imp cliff for easier cover (provided the revenants below are gone). The archviles get to resurrect a lot, but it's easy to just spam rockets and retreat. No idea if it's statistically preferrable to the other strategies, and I guess there's the added risk of being zapped backwards into the lava.

@Moleoflands Жыл бұрын

I think it's a worse East side strategy. Just because you face more total monsters which at worse is an ammo cost. I think survivability is worse just because all the same monster is the same threat. Variety is a problem

@florentjugnet9733 11 ай бұрын

Can't wait wait to see the next challenge

@reptongeek Жыл бұрын

I'm looking forward to the Cacodemon cave. In your demo that was the first moment that was very striking when they all flew out

@MaximumSpice Жыл бұрын

Super fun analysis to watch Coincident, loving these videos man!

@yazanabbadi4247 Жыл бұрын

man I've been waiting these guides week by week... I just love how the community comes together beating an insane map, also I love analysis. Good work, waiting next tomato fight.

@AndyAKratz Жыл бұрын

These strategy vids are great! Keep 'em comin'!

@blackforce8478 Жыл бұрын

You and Decino have a PHD in Doom, congrats pal, thank you for your amazing guides!

@Skelly57 Жыл бұрын

New Okuplok strategy guide? You love to see it, nice work Coincident!

@chriswaudby1084 Жыл бұрын

Love this guide been a fan of doom for ever and this okuplok business is kinda intriguing

@ArnieMcStranglehold Жыл бұрын

I am loving these strategy guide videos. This map has fascinated me for years. For a long time, I couldn't even run it with GZDoom because my PC would basically grind to a halt during the opening mancubus bombardment.

@schutzemk2811 Жыл бұрын

what a science behind a map of a game thats 30 years old.

@strugglingparodox5709 Жыл бұрын

Man!,, this is going to be a long series,, and I'm here for every second of it. Even being pretty familiar with this map, I loose track of how many battles there are.

@Someb0dy1Day Жыл бұрын

The way you speak and strategize about this map is very interesting. I want to see you do this on UV. 😃😃😃

@William_Huber Жыл бұрын

Love this series. Top quality stuff.

@kianushmaleki Жыл бұрын

Looking forward for the next Okuplok video.

@voidcat5386 Жыл бұрын

these videos are awesome, i love this series

@riba2233 Жыл бұрын

these videos are pure gold, not only bc of this level strategy in particular :)

@1ShepardCZ Жыл бұрын

Nice resume! Keep going!

@douglasthompson1724 Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah! My new favorite series!

@Latsaaben Жыл бұрын

Top tier content 💯👌

@Kingdramana Жыл бұрын

Fun as the others one. Thank you!

@ancalagoonn Жыл бұрын

Something I thought about, people need to be careful when they look at speedruns for strategies. If for example this fight was part of a 3 minute map, the only viable strategy to get a competitiv time would be to go reckless, but because its part of such a long map a safer strategy is used. Speedruns put time above all and specially short runs often use really aggressive strategies that are not what should be done in casual play. Also I wonder if running all the way close to the imps area would be viable, they shouldnt run into too many barons and there's plenty of space to shoot them before they come even if they do in a group.

@coincident Жыл бұрын

True. That's why I'm focusing on survivability on these videos, and not on speed (the opposite of most speedrun strats). Yeah someone else also suggested using the Imp staircase for cover. Honestly I don't "feel" that it's more survivable than the East strat, but I didn't run any numbers for that scenario, so I can't tell for sure. Might be worth a few tests.

@pannomic1818 Жыл бұрын

goddamn i love this videos

@zoliking Жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@chooseyouhandle Жыл бұрын

You are a mad man

@ev77s4f Жыл бұрын

Are you going to continue this series? Fantastic work so far!!!

@coincident Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@ab-qj3wo Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the developer (s) of this map actually considered these or similar strategies when making this map or they just threw thousands of monsters in to see what is gonna happen

@purple_ruberoid Жыл бұрын

My guess is: the East Side strategy is the most survivable. Maybe it's less likely to be trapped Finally, I was right : )

@OfficeHyena 8 ай бұрын

pls more of these

@kylegrefe4399 Жыл бұрын

I can't wait for this to all be out. I can't really play the map myself. I would live to try it, but my laptop chugs hard even after maximizing my settings for performance. Turns out 23000 monsters are a bit much for my cpu

@billabobyt Жыл бұрын

Loving these videos so far. I would love to see more in the way of backup strategies for when things go wrong. If you get overwhelmed on the east side is it possible to run back to the imp cliff and take on the viles from there?

@coincident Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure, you're welcome to try and experiment yourself; in the end that's the only proven way of getting good data for yourself. From my tests, I personally feel that it doesn't work, because running back means you expose yourself more. Maybe if you hide in the teleporter closet? I'm really not sure about all this.

@billabobyt Жыл бұрын

@@coincident Yeah true. I had a go and it wasn't too bad - got zapped about half the time making a run for the imp cliff, sometimes even off the edge, but if I reloaded those saves and tried fighting them head on I got overwhelmed and died 80-90% of the time. Just curious how you'll approach backup strats in later vids, since this map is so long and no strategy has had a 100% success rate so far lol Specifically what happens is the archviles get collected into the baron closet along with a couple of arachnotrons, and they're too pre-occupied with resurrecting imps to bother chasing you out onto the cliff. Was very consistent after a bit of practice. But of course that's only if you get the worst case scenario in the first place, which is 20 viles coming out of their closet and into the east wing

@billabobyt Жыл бұрын

but then most death scenarios are instant death after being blocked so maybe not so valid for the majority of fights

@jonathonworner360 10 ай бұрын

I understand that Okuplok is a really huge slaughter map. I've seen someone clear it in just over 2 hours, and I've seen the 4.5 hour long co-op stream done by Spectre and Vytaaan. So...when are we going to get the next strategy video? About the cliffs full of Mancubi, followed by the horde of Cacodemons?

@coincident 10 ай бұрын

I already started working on the next episode, but Im currently on a much needed break.

@Nob1ej0n Жыл бұрын

Dat Boom Cyber tho.

@TIIKKETMASTER Жыл бұрын

🎉🎉🎉

@marcinwitkowski6989 Жыл бұрын

Before checking results, I think that the reckless strategy is the best one - a few rockets at the beggining into large group of Archies do its job.

@user-xq9wm8gj8y Жыл бұрын

East side is the safest, i suppose, but my personal choice is reckless (even though arch-viles without -fast are unpredictable with their casts)

@Hydronisa Жыл бұрын

I've watched through your entire saveless run twice, and I cannot wait for more analysis videos for these fights. Now if only I could get that introductory platforming down.

@IIFirenII Жыл бұрын

3:34 omg im so surprised you tell a thing in french, with a VERY good accent ! Do you speak french better than that or just learn that sentence for the video ? Can't wait to see the next episode ! :D

@coincident Жыл бұрын

Thank you :) Yes, I speak/studied French many years ago.

@Zulk_RS Жыл бұрын

I still don't think I'm ready for Okuplok but this guide makes me wonder... would these strats let me beat Okuplok WITH mid-fight saves (because that's how I generally enjoy playing Doom). Maybe, just maybe... someone like me can savescum their way through Okuplok with these strats.

@Moleoflands Жыл бұрын

I think with more modern Source ports, it's not so bad to save mid fight. I know in OG doom, monsters went back to sleep when you load a save

@Eddyhartz Жыл бұрын

What about using the West Side with the super shotgun? Wouldn't matter so much about the ammo then. Wouldn't have to be so careful with the walls as well.

@praisecats2724 3 ай бұрын

(Disclaimer: I haven't actually played okupluk, and I am just guessing with reasoning in this comment) I think that the issue with that strategy is that you would have to move south to get good damage with the SSG. If you do move south, more Arch-viles will come, overwhelming you. If you stay far enough north to prevent that, you won't deal enough damage to the Arch-vile you're facing before it corners you.

@test-rj2vl Жыл бұрын

My strategy guide: Load this map with Russian Overkill mod, pick up meteor cannon, 1 shot in the middle and all archviles gone in 1 shot. Games have to be fun and relaxing, not toiling.

@drachefly Жыл бұрын

Seems worth it to try to keep deaths away from that door in the previous segment to give yourself more leeway.

@coincident Жыл бұрын

I find that a bit hard to control in practice, but if you find a way to do it - yeah, go for it!

@rankoinazuma6788 Жыл бұрын

My guess would be strat 3: east side

@synarchybattledoge 9 ай бұрын

Weren't the Arch-Viles supposed to revive the dead Viles? I'm kind confused, I was expecting them to revive themselves and be almost impossible to kill

@coincident 9 ай бұрын

nah, not in OG doom.

@MarcoPoloTraveler Жыл бұрын

It would be fun if Archviles could resurrect each other 😊

@Wus83 6 ай бұрын

Hey Coincident. Have a question about hte Okuplok series you began but no Video in a long Time, you give up? Its much work this guide you began i can unterstand it if you canceled the guides. But great work and the single segmant run was insane, very good video. Wish you the best 👍👍🤣🤣

@coincident 6 ай бұрын

Thanks! I actually made a community post about this just today. Next video is ready and being reviewed by my patrons. Might go public very soon.

@Wus83 6 ай бұрын

@@coincident aahh ok thx for the answer and can't wait to see it 🤣🤣 and very nice work with the guides. Have a nice Day 👍👍👌👌

@zaglezigawa8415 22 күн бұрын

Whose coming back here after the official quit?

@Wus83 22 күн бұрын

@@zaglezigawa8415 Is he done with Okuplok? I I did not get it if he quit the Guide. I can understand it, its much work and the map is very long. I know he try to beat Okuplok on UV and no saves, on Twitch

@zaglezigawa8415 22 күн бұрын

@@Wus83 Last I heard of it, he Gave up in trying to single segment Okuplok, But he did still manage a double segment (one save file), so I think he will continue on the area by area guides, but definitely after a break...

@christophercollins3632 Жыл бұрын

Comment for the algorithm

@KRawatXP2003 Жыл бұрын

Reckless.

@phealotful 8 ай бұрын

why there are no new episodes coming?

@coincident 8 ай бұрын

I've taken a break from doom. But I'm working to get back on this series soon.

@heyhonpuds 8 ай бұрын

@@coincident I hope you do, been really enjoying these strategy videos

@Jjeternal Жыл бұрын

East Side

@Wagonman5900 Жыл бұрын

I'm betting on reckless. It finishes them off fast and you can get rid of all of them with just rockets.

@Wagonman5900 Жыл бұрын

Do'h!

@caioronnau5226 7 ай бұрын

no more okuplok strategy videos?

@coincident 7 ай бұрын

There will be more

@wah9928 6 ай бұрын

@@coincident So glad to hear that, was really afraid you'd be done. Can't wait for more of these

@DuckReconMajor Жыл бұрын

You're assuming i have rockets lmao (i used them all on the revenants outside)

@kianushmaleki Жыл бұрын

My wife asks what if the light goes out? 🙂

@ytmndman Жыл бұрын

Better strategy for this map: Russian Overkill.

@maltardraco9555 Жыл бұрын

Well, that mod was made for slaughter maps.

@nomoredamnnamestouse 11 ай бұрын

"Easy"

@cybershadow Жыл бұрын

Hey buddy, can you make please a Okuplok Strategy Playlist on your chanel, pls? :)

@coincident Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I was meaning to do this but I forgot. Thanks for the reminder 👍

@fuckyouhorsefucker Жыл бұрын

My strategy for this map : try to get the rocket launcher, fail 584 times, close the game

@Boukansha Жыл бұрын

I laughed so hard at this comment.

@karlk5801 6 ай бұрын

Ah, the "Rage" strategy. Thank you for testing 584 times to determine that the survival rate can't be over 0.17%. Please update the video @coincident