Drinker's Chasers - Rings of Power Season 2 Rumours: Delays, Reshoots And Panic

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3 ай бұрын

All is not well at Amazon Studios if the latest batch of rumours are to be believed. Panic, frantic rewrites and demotions seem to be the order of the day as the studio struggles to bounce back from the disaster of Season 1. Can this show possibly be salvaged or is it too late?

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@toxofoz6233 3 ай бұрын

I'm just going to pretend season 2 doesn't exist, just like season 1.

@The_Bearded_Critic 3 ай бұрын

It’s for the best

@remyd8767 3 ай бұрын

I cannot wait. It will be comedy gold!!

@krissteel4074 3 ай бұрын

Someone else can watch it and tell me how bad it sucked. My impression on hearing season 1 was that it would suck and sure enough, plenty of other people watched it and said it was like staring into the sun while being kicked repeatedly in the feels. Given the type of people making this kind of crap also have a predilection for dying on their mountain of turds regardless of how much of other people's money they spend, there's basically no chance of them doing a 180 and not making it completely awful.

@user-yf6cs4oo2t 3 ай бұрын

Same

@clair1100 3 ай бұрын

Just like the starwars sequel trilogy. It simply doesn’t exist

@Yarblocosifilitico 3 ай бұрын

Understandable. They have to progress Galadriel's arc, but they can't figure out how to make her more insufferable.

@MyShiroyuki 3 ай бұрын

I doubt that. They always know how to make bad characters worse

@nathanbeverley247 3 ай бұрын

Give her that weird half buzzed haircut that's going around, that's a good start.

@chasehedges6775 3 ай бұрын

@@MyShiroyuki Sooooo true

@chasehedges6775 3 ай бұрын

@@MyShiroyuki The clone girl from Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom and Dominion went from the girl who let out all the dinosaurs to a bratty teen

@8ligh7 3 ай бұрын

They just need to top the "there is a tempest in me" line and they're golden.

@zh1992 3 ай бұрын

Remember in season 1 when Sauron taught the master blacksmith celebrimbor what an alloy was 🤣🤣🤣

@EvilDoresh 3 ай бұрын

Someone in the writing team must've been _really_ proud when he stumbled upon the wikipedia entry for "alloy"

@KneightReinagel 3 ай бұрын

Season 2 they learn about ore

@EvilDoresh 3 ай бұрын

@@KneightReinagel "Let me tell you about _steel_ ..."

@Werrf1 3 ай бұрын

For his next trick, he will introduce Fëanor to the concept of "light".

@Uzarran 3 ай бұрын

Sauron approaches the orcs, bearing a burning branch, "Behold, I give you... FIRE!" The orcs, "Yeah, we've had that for like, ever?"

@TheWarmachine375 3 ай бұрын

I've seen Lord of the Rings fanfiction giving more respect to the source material than Rings of Power ever did.

@IsUserADuck 3 ай бұрын

that's because it's "fan" fiction. whoever made rop are not fans

@oliverjensen223 3 ай бұрын

I've seen LotR porn that was better produced and paid more respect to the source material.

@IsUserADuck 3 ай бұрын

@@oliverjensen223 lmao

@Wien1938 3 ай бұрын

That's because this has no respect for the material. Like all woke productions, the story is just a shell for the message.

@marcneef795 3 ай бұрын

@@IsUserADuckThis!

@stephenfitzgerald9769 3 ай бұрын

“The selling point now is that the Season Two episodes are all directed by women!” _Meanwhile, in the comic book industry…_

@EvilDoresh 3 ай бұрын

If it's _like_ the comic book industry, every episode will be a slice-of-life therapy session with the author's obvious self-insert. Groovy.

@8ligh7 3 ай бұрын

Me: What does this show offer now that we are in the second season that makes it worth a watch? Amazon: The main people working on it now have vaginas. Me: *jeremy clarkson anyway clip*

@trashfire9641 3 ай бұрын

Food scenes and much "LOL so random" humor.

@britasha1194 3 ай бұрын

Its not even women, it’s “feminists” who hate feminine women and masculine men. Manga is doing great, with plenty of female authors who aren’t producing trash.

@oss182 3 ай бұрын

@@trashfire9641 Main characters sitting and talking about nothing important for the majority of the run time, and at the end the villain turns out to be sympathetic and misunderstood.

@juandurugas 3 ай бұрын

I'd like to think that that show is just a money laundering thing Amazon is doing.

@yelsahblah3270 3 ай бұрын

That would make a way better story than Rings of Prime is too I'll bet.

@The_Okami 3 ай бұрын

Its all about.....tha message. Tin foil hat on. "They"(the powers that be aka Sauron) want regression.

@Mereologist 3 ай бұрын

I wish that such immense zealotry and incompetence didn't exist in the world. But sadly, it does. The good news, is that it's SO easy to do better.

@halycon404 3 ай бұрын

Tax write off. They can show a loss and depreciate the asset. One of the things I read that was kinda conspiracy theory but also kinda sorta works is that Disney doesn't really care how their IP performs. Disney doesn't make the lions share of their money off films anymore. What Disney cares about is having an asset they can mark down as taking a loss come tax season. If Star Wars or whatever makes money, great. If it doesn't that works too since they can depreciate off the buy price to cover some of their overall corporate tax burden. They either want a gigantic hit or a gigantic flop. Either works for their purposes. It's middle of the road which hurts them. That idea works just as well for Amazon. They want something which gives them value which can't be easily quantified in dollars and cents but will absolutely take a loss monetarily. Apple and Netflix started spending on prestige. There's no easy metric of what an Oscar or a Golden Globe is worth. But they'll take losses on some productions as it gives them a different type of cultural relevance. And importantly, cultural relevance they can write off as a loss so it doesn't actually cost them as much as it looks like on the actual balance sheet to gain it.

@thehoerscorral8565 3 ай бұрын

This is the only explanation at this point for Disney as well; there is no way the shareholders are fine with the company losing billions of dollars every year post-Endgame, and never changing a thing and doubling down on the division, shameless pandering, and political grandstanding, without there being some kind of hidden laundering operation coming off the top. Every one of these movies that costs 150, 250, 300+ million to make, and then supposedly costs another 200-300 million in marketing/advertising? I mean sure the sets are known to have ridiculous overpriced catering every day and obscene benefits and therapy and other bull to keep these modern *ahem* actors in their safe spaces, but still, that's a TON of money that gets spent every single time, for them to just make 300-400 million (if that) and write it off as a loss... Literally any other part of the American economy no matter what sector, if the project directors and middle managers and even board members were okaying this level of capital loss and over-spending they'd have been fired back when the movies barely broke even, and they would have been blacklisted from the industry for demanding 300 million plus 200 mill for advertising to make a movie and then have it completely flop, costing them half a billion dollars or close to it. Now, though, it's normal for companies as large as Disney? If someone told me that Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy and a few others were skimming 10, 20, 50 even 100 million off the top of every one of these bloated movies and especially Disney+ shows that cost tens to almost a hundred million PER EPISODE, I would merely say 'water is wet' at this point.

@grandmufftwerkin9037 3 ай бұрын

Somehow Galadriel returned.

@harryv6752 3 ай бұрын

Dear gods! 😄

@alexandermuller7142 2 ай бұрын

and she immediatly walked across the ocean.. floor.. because she couldnt stand the being on a ship with.. man.

@Hollyclown 3 ай бұрын

2 things to tell you if something is going to be bad: modern audience and reshoots

@Novastar.SaberCombat 3 ай бұрын

Just watch even thirty minutes of any of it. A bloody DISASTER. 🔥

@justanothergunnerd8128 3 ай бұрын

so true!

@sebbenforte 3 ай бұрын

Despot is the definitive critic on Rings of Power imo. His essay on Galadriel, the genocidal maniac, is a masterpiece. Glad to see him on a Drinker panel.

@woodwyrm 3 ай бұрын

hear! hear!

@emhu2594 3 ай бұрын

Says a lot about the writers that they don't that galadriel is the villain in their version and adar the orc is the good guy

@thehoerscorral8565 3 ай бұрын

@@emhu2594 They're so up their own arses in this idea that if they just SAY a character is good, or if the character is either portrayed AS, or portrayed BY someone from the 'special' groups (IE women, black, muslim, etc) then they can have 'them' (lets be honest it's always 'her' and not 'him') do whatever they want including take outright 'bad'/evil actions but if they do it 'jokingly' in Marvel's case, or in RoP's case, 'because i have to do ANYTHING to stop Sauron or something' then they think people will agree. The problem is, as everyone keeps pointing out, they are BAD people, because they make BAD decisions, not because of their race or gender or sexual orientation or other qualifiers that don't matter at all.

@bennygerow 3 ай бұрын

His She Said vid was really good too

@sarahgould5435 3 ай бұрын

Despot's is definitely my favorite, but Random Film Talk was pretty amazing, too. He proves Drinker's point by establishing from the get-go that he is not a book fan and has no intention of looking into the lore, but adores PJ's films. Then he proceeds to demolish the show on its own [lack of] merits.

@TastyScotch 3 ай бұрын

Rings of Power reminds me of a rave i promoted once. The guys wanted 10k people to come to the rave. Someone told them some age-old truth: “only 10% of the people who see your advert will purchase the product.” So along those lines, they made 150k flyers for the show. A huge flyer, 4x bigger than normal flyers, glossy and colorful. Two issues: 1) the lineup was terrible. It combined techno and hip-hop, meaning it was a shitty rave and a shitty hip-hop concert for 4x the cost of a normal show. 2) the venue was ina. Small town at an ampitheater during the day… They needed 5k people to come to break even. 1500 people bought tickets. Even though we handed out over 100,000 flyers 😂 we tried to warn them the whole time that no one was going to come to this show, and they didnt listen. TLDR it doesnt matter what u spend on advertising and what $ amount u invest if the thing youre investing is is terrible 😂

@harryv6752 3 ай бұрын

Shet moves for a shet show 😄

@dimesonhiseyes9134 3 ай бұрын

I worked security at a concert for some band that was being pushed to try and make him famous. He was booked at a rather "local famous" venue that is kinda smallish but has hosted tons of famous acts. They spent a fortune and hit up all the local radio stations. Paid for tons of social media stuff and even did some publicity stunts. The venue could hold a few thousand people. 57 showed up. Some of the people were long time regulars that have special access and come to EVERY event, have attended nearly every event since like the 80's. You can't always manufacturer success.

@Peeps7468 3 ай бұрын

I love these stories. Thank you both

@mar10ssj1 3 ай бұрын

I liked when Guyladriel said "I am all the Lord of the Rangs". STUNNING AND BRAVE 😍

@texasbeast239 3 ай бұрын

"Let's get KRUNK 'til the Return of the KANGSZ!"

@EvilDoresh 3 ай бұрын

Somehow, Morgoth returned

@KrazzeeKane 3 ай бұрын

This "when X said 'Name of franchise'" meme needs to die already, good god. Wasn't even funny 5 years ago let alone now

@mar10ssj1 3 ай бұрын

@@KrazzeeKane CRY HARDER

@mar10ssj1 3 ай бұрын

@@texasbeast239 RANGS OF POWAA!!!

@FrancJ5793 3 ай бұрын

Evil cannot be allowed to endure.

@bri_____ 3 ай бұрын

Evil must be ruthlessly mocked

@mar10ssj1 3 ай бұрын

Evil doesn't create, it corrupts.

@BTC909 3 ай бұрын

KK hold my beer.

@chasehedges6775 3 ай бұрын

@@BTC909 Rachel Zegler: HOLLYWOOD BABY

@the6ig6adwolf 3 ай бұрын

It's safe to say people get more enjoyment from the memes than the actual show. Bring on season 2.

@richardstrage3682 3 ай бұрын

Thats how i feel aswell. Havent seen a second of it. But ive seen all reviews and the shitstorm is massively entertaining.

@TheWarmachine375 3 ай бұрын

Eru would see Rings of Power as a horrible fanfic story made by Morgoth being spiteful of the canon timeline.

@KrisztinaH. 3 ай бұрын

You know what: that would actually make sense! It could be great reveal and plot twist. But it would also need a faithful or at least competent storyline after the reveal that would connect it to LOTR's Lore.

@woodwyrm 3 ай бұрын

lul

@GM-db4bv 3 ай бұрын

I'm happy Rings of Power was so bad. I was worried it would be good enough to change everything Tolkien while being popular.

@NoahGooder 3 ай бұрын

you mean being some kind of woke vehicle that would completely negate the original canon?

@GM-db4bv 3 ай бұрын

@@NoahGooder a bit less woke would've been worse. A mix of real lore and messages for the "modern audience". RoP was just woke nonsense, boring plots with at most 1% Tolkien lore. No chance of confusing Tolkien with this Amazon crap.

@newtpondskipper 3 ай бұрын

I've already heard when the first Jackson films came out that he fixed Tolkiens mistakes. Hearing younger people tell me how Arwen being a badass and Gimli being funny was great. Tolkien was "too serious" and "didn't empower women" was the reasoning behind that. There was more, but this is what you're saying. It changes what was written was popular so it changed how people perceived the original books.

@GM-db4bv 3 ай бұрын

@@newtpondskipper no it didn't. We all know Arwen is barely in the book. She wasn't "bad ass" in the movies. The trilogy didn't have too much deviation from the books.

@newtpondskipper 3 ай бұрын

@GM-db4bv so when she showed up and saved Frodo from the Nazgul by standing up to them while summoning the river to destroy them isn't badass? That's an interesting take.

@valueofnothing2487 3 ай бұрын

In season 2, Gladriel and Sauron begin to raise a family, and they realize it's a lot of hard work and commitment. Sauron starts to spend a lot of time making jewelry. She thinks about riding horses along the plains, being chased by strong men in silver armor.

@bencarlson4300 3 ай бұрын

Honestly, I would take that. At least it wouldn’t be trying to be something it’s not

@petermercury 3 ай бұрын

Galadrimale: Okay, listen up. Whoever holds the conch gets to speak. That's the rule.

@JoeyM10 3 ай бұрын

Excuse me, I think that was from lord of the bees

@petermercury 3 ай бұрын

Flies actually, but who cares?

@JoeyM10 3 ай бұрын

@@petermercuryI know, I was joking in the same manner as you were that the characters name isn’t galadrimale or that the conch is even from that show

@petermercury 3 ай бұрын

It's all cool but why don't you put her in charge!

@Subsaibot2526 3 ай бұрын

All hail the magic conch!

@grandmufftwerkin9037 3 ай бұрын

It turns out that the tempest Galadriel felt inside of her was production delays.

@amidworkin 3 ай бұрын

I thought it was ice troll covid

@woodwyrm 3 ай бұрын

or PMS lmao

@thehunzz 3 ай бұрын

Tampax: Be the production delay

@sigmacademy 3 ай бұрын

Perhaps even all that wasted marketing budget on "visiting influencers', some of who admitted they opted to watch something else, instead? :P No wonder she was so ticked off the entire first season? :P

@Ninja_Tude 3 ай бұрын

I thought it was the viewership stampeding for the door

@Bob.martens 3 ай бұрын

The least-pirated-show award nominations are in!

@critical-slayer 3 ай бұрын

Nothing is going to change ... Just because they are reshooting do not hold out hope. Lets be honest they are going to double down on female power and destroying lore. Cannot wait for more girl boss moments and black elves!

@sigmacademy 3 ай бұрын

The girl boss moments wouldn't have been so bad if they ACTUALLY set it up properly. As in perhaps show her being trained by a legendary Elven swordsman (or woman), or spend decades (or her entire teenage years) perfecting her hunting/tracking or archery skills, perhaps as part of an Elven party trying to hunt down a threat in the forest or group protecting their homes from Orcs like those scenes where we saw the Elves encountering intruders in their territory (anything to show why she would be suitable for leadership as commander of the Elven army) - you know, set up WHY a character is as good as they are, since the show hasn't exactly shown us WHY she's the commander, and her hot temper seems contrary to the type of person you would give your ENTIRE army to? Any commander with a temper would be kind of framing that you'd give to a failure or potential disaster/tragedy waiting to happen, and if you consider that she spent QUITE some time as a commander of the army, you would have thought that she'd understand the morale and chain of command issues you would have if any soldier went off on his/her superiors because he/she disagreed with them?!? The black elf thing the audience could have gotten behind if the people who introduced the character ACTUALLY knew the lore of the property they are SUPPOSED to be writing for, or the showrunners CLAIMED to be familiar with. Tolkien DID indicate there were OTHER cultures on Middle-Earth, and any half-way decent writer could have dipped into those cultures to set up diverse groups of people, or characters in scenarios that totally make sense. Also, the defenders are being hypocrites when they say "why not have diverse characters here", because both Game of Thrones AND Wheel of Time had other minority cultures and there were ZERO calls for diversity there.

@emhu2594 3 ай бұрын

Wheel of time season 2 wasnt any better. Wheel of time season 1 was the harbinger of doom for rings of power.

@primarchvulkan5097 3 ай бұрын

@@sigmacademyhaving her train with say Fingolfin would've been an idea (not Feanor she hated him). Bonus points if they show how badass Fingolfin was by fighting Morgoth 1v1

@heraldofwar 3 ай бұрын

I predict they are going to double down on stupid, if your thought season 1 was bad ... just wait until season 2!

@Erowens98 3 ай бұрын

They always double down.

@thefilthyrhombus3856 3 ай бұрын

What I find to be the most insanely idiotic thing about RoP is that Amazon had a third option between direct adaptation and completely original story, and it's to simply combine the two. Have a faithful adaptation of the events but have that run in the background parallel to the main story, which is original with original characters. This was their best option given what limited rights they had, and while it wouldn't appease the core fandom as much as a direct adaptation, it wouldn't have completely insulted and alienated them either. That way, they could've had their stronk female she-elf protagonist, but instead of a grotesque bastardized Galadriel, it's Estrogengilad. Would still be a shit character and a horrible idea for a main protagonist, but it at the very least would sting alot less than what they actually did with Galadriel. What's more, they could've had their dumb DEI bullshit without sacrificing the verisimilitude of Middle-Earth by simply focusing more on original characters and events instead of having to force established characters and events into the story. For instance, the two main leads could be a female Elf and a male Numenorean exile who makes a living as a mercenary. Their travels take them to Rhun and Harad, where they recruit more characters. That way, you could have a big buff black guy to play the strongman and a hot middle-eastern chick to play a sorceress (I know those are cliché, but clichés work for a reason). Toss in a Dwarf and boom, you have your discount Fellowship. Also, instead of prematurely busting a nut on Numenor, have the primary setting be a port town on the border of Middle-Earth, a precursor to Dale if you will. That way, you can have diversity that fits organically within the world and the story. I came up with all this in roughly ten minutes. There's no reason at all for Amazon to be as incompetent as they are.

@evilmac9623 3 ай бұрын

Yeah but it takes work and creative writing... Ain't nobody got time for that!

@Grubnar 3 ай бұрын

"There's no reason at all for Amazon to be as incompetent as they are." "Evil can not create, it can only corrupt and mock what good people have created." There is your reason.

@sigmacademy 3 ай бұрын

I fully agree with your setup for a diverse group of characters. The only problem is that you'd need CAPABLE and COMPETENT writers to set all of that up, and not make anything those characters do clash (too much) with what we know of the original stories, which shouldn't be THAT hard to do in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing. By maintaining the integrity of the original stories, they can STILL adapt those in the future, but by changing the lore (to their lore) too much, they immediately run the same risk (and repeats the problems of) the MCU and DC, where they changed their characters so much, that trying to integrate other stories into it becomes increasingly more difficult to keep internal consistency straight or use anything that might clash with their "new lore", which leads to the "new world" becoming more absurd and inconsistent as time goes on, whereas staying with the original stories' framework, allows a writer to know exactly what opportunities exist and where new lore can be innovated or added to already available information, in ways that make sense and seems as if it could potentially fit into this world and universe. Also, while I can't prove it, I suspect the changing of lore is simply for financial reasons, while at the same time serving political and ideological goals. The company that creates "this version" of Middle-Earth, will of course gain access to monetizing said characters (original), so of course they will attempt to try and change as much as possible to maximize their revenue potential, as they simply sees this property as "product" to be sold, and nothing more. That strategy, however, only works when you have a hit series or movie on your hands, which they don't, regardless of how badly some people want to pretend the first season was some kind of success.

@Mereologist 3 ай бұрын

I'm sorry, but you have already grossly overestimated the people you are talking about. There's NO WAY they're having a man who is stronger and more powerful than a woman. If they have a warrior, it's totally going to have to be a GIRLBOSS. Frankly, I doubt they can allow a man to be smarter than a woman either, so they'd want a GIRLBOSS sorcerer, as well. They'll both be black and almost certainly lesbian, but they'll have an incompetent, foolish man along who is totally white. NOW you're talking about something they would green-light.

@olafgurke4699 3 ай бұрын

The only thing I disagree with you on, is that they could definitely make a compelling and faithful adaptation even with the limited rights they have. I can recommend the series "How Rings of Power should have been written" by Tolkien Untangled. That guy tells an incredible story, while sticking to the rights Amazon has.

@yelsahblah3270 3 ай бұрын

I don't care what they do. They already made the worst mistake they could have, by legitimately shipping Galadriel with Sauron. That was just one issue, not even the full scope, but it was the most egregious. It's the complete opposite of the lore. These idiots don't care about the story and I don't care about them. I hope season two crashes and burns so I can roast marshmallows on the burning remains.

@queenberuthiel5469 3 ай бұрын

I'd like to think that since the Elven rings of power were already made, she used manipulation (bullying) or straight up threatened the old grandma aka Celebrimbor into giving her the one elven ring that was heavily Mithril. 😆😆

@queenberuthiel5469 3 ай бұрын

Yes. Everytime I see fanvideos shipping Sauron x Galadriel....I really cringe so hard. To be fair, Galadriel is more like Sauron in ROP and Sauron looks like a human simp. They belong to each other...just in a twisted way.😂

@shmerelize 3 ай бұрын

Galadriel never trusted Sauron in any form

@GIBBO4182 3 ай бұрын

Can’t wait to see the next lot of “super fans” videos 🤦🏻‍♂️

@haydenwalton2766 3 ай бұрын

wasn't that a highlight of western civilization

@madjockmacsporran 3 ай бұрын

The most entertaining thing about the next rings of power series will be the reviews of it by channels like this one. 😁

@chasehedges6775 3 ай бұрын

Sooo true

@TheWarmachine375 3 ай бұрын

Everyone to The Hobbit Movie Trilogy: "Perhaps we treated you too harshly."

@derpherp7432 3 ай бұрын

The M4 fan cut of the hobbit is legit very very good, and makes it a pretty worthy prequel to the LotR trilogy.

@GigglingStoners 3 ай бұрын

*shrug* I always liked it.

@The_ScapeGoat 3 ай бұрын

No. Let's not pretend garbage isn't garbage because other garbage is more garbagey

@chasehedges6775 3 ай бұрын

@@GigglingStoners💯

@chasehedges6775 3 ай бұрын

@@The_ScapeGoat Revenge Of The Sith is still a masterpiece and the first 2 SW prequels are MEH

@lorij3786 3 ай бұрын

Is Amazon going to threaten those who leave reviews that they don’t like (anything negative regardless of how well written), like they did to AZ?

@sollytom6266 3 ай бұрын

They can't make a competent villain. They cast a man as Sauron, and men aren't allowed to be competent so he'll be a buffoon who's allowed to deal only with buffoonier (male) characters. If they cast a woman as Sauron, women aren't allowed to be bad, so whatever Sauronette is up to has to be watered down and explained and justified and there will be a redemption anyway. Male Sauron: Incompetent villain. Female Sauron: Not really a villain.

@basementsnaxx 3 ай бұрын

I heard they got the sea to write the second season; it's always right after all.

@polarfroge 3 ай бұрын

"What is dead may never die." They can reshoot all they want. The end product will inevitably SUCK.

@ChaosXcrusheD 3 ай бұрын

The issue is they marketed this as set in Tolkien's world when they had no intention of honoring Tolkien's world or story. So if they try spinning this off as complete fanfiction, its too late. The damage is already done because they failed the marketing from the first season.

@cejannuzi 3 ай бұрын

They are honoring the wishes of the Tolkien Estate and his grandson.

@ChaosXcrusheD 3 ай бұрын

@cejannuzi doubt that.

@DarkSide_Gaming21338 3 ай бұрын

@@cejannuziwell even if they are that’s not who or what they should be honoring…

@StarWarsomania 3 ай бұрын

@@cejannuzi His grandson is a giant turd who cares about MONEY, not his grandfather’s legacy and work.

@Soyuz2578 3 ай бұрын

I loved when guyladriel said "i am iron man" then guyladreiled harder than ever before... I honestly almost cried😂

@EvilDoresh 3 ай бұрын

I can't wait for when they pull the classic prequel plot beads of overexplaining stuff, and/or having characters take credit for stuff that happens latter. For example, I'd be _amazed_ if there isn't gonna be some duel between Galadriel and Sauron that ends with her smashing his fingers, all but directly "explaining" that _this_ is why Isildur was able to cut off Sauron's fingers. And do they have the rights to use Melkor/Morgoth? If so, I have three words for you: Somehow, Morgoth returned...

@jjforcebreaker 3 ай бұрын

I'll be honest, I have no desire to watch anything made by these people. It might be better, great for them. In the end, it's all soulless slop made by unqualified, unimaginative, untalented people, for the sake of making it and monetizing bought licenses, and increasing the reach of their services and brand names. With barely any respect for the work of Tolkien, Peter Jackson and all artists who worked on that trilogy, for that matter. I'd rather re-watch bonus DVDs and 'making of' of the Trilogy, for the 100th time. The bed has already been shat on, so to speak.

@Maladjester 3 ай бұрын

It's the same as _Rise of Skywalker._ After _Last Jedi,_ the ship had already hit the iceberg. There was nowhere they could go, nothing they could do. The franchise was going to upend and sink below the waves forever, a monument to its own hubris. I actually had a pretty good time watching _Rise_ just to see the shape of the final failure.

@shmerelize 3 ай бұрын

The real criminal is Tolkien's grandson who sold out unnecessarily!!!

@JubeiSenpai 3 ай бұрын

KZfaqrs can’t wait for S2 for payday and I can’t wait to watch those vids and not the show 😂

@Deridus 3 ай бұрын

That's pretty much been how I've been looking at things made by Hollywood and the VBC since TLJ and Doctor Kar... I mean, Who.

@aronthedev3074 3 ай бұрын

Nerd of the Rings did a video reacting to rumored season 2 plot points. I was afraid he was going to be apoplectic by the end of the video. They are just rumors, but don't underestimate Amazon's commitment to "the message."

@sigmacademy 3 ай бұрын

The problem with the defenders of the show is that they KNOW it's bad and doesn't represent ANYTHING of the lore they made a pretty penny off, and they don't care, because they need new content for their channels. That's how you know they're not real fans - they are fans of the "franchise" (where they think the money and opportunity is), not the property (where it has ALWAYS been). They are "fans" of anything they can make money from, and any true fan would have NEVER taken the position they did.

@Red0543 3 ай бұрын

The *only* way I would ever watch Rings of Power is it the people in charge of it came out and did the one thing they will *never* do. Be completely honest and conciliatory. To admit that season 1 was a mistake, that what they were going for simply wasn’t working out and that they have learned their lesson and will use it to improve the show and to maybe even start the show over entirely with new actors. Now, do I honestly think that they will do this? No, not even a little. I am a lot of things but a naive fool I am not.

@geekmastermind 3 ай бұрын

It would need to be completely recast, as well, since the actors in season one went out of their way to repeatedly disparage the fans. They should be relegated to laxative commercials for the rest of their careers.

@JonBaldie 3 ай бұрын

Unfortunately they will continue to brazen their way through lie after lie. They couldn’t admit their failure. They had to gaslight *everyone* who said a bad thing about it.

@B1RDSEYE 3 ай бұрын

I love that the bottom of maulers background artwork fits perfectly with despots camera placement.

@silverscorpio24 3 ай бұрын

Sweet Summer Despot. Never underestimate the depths to which incompetence can sink.

@Mereologist 3 ай бұрын

Every time you think they've hit rock-bottom, they break out the jackhammers.

@Luminousreign 3 ай бұрын

Can’t wait for the awesome conclusion of this series in season 3!

@NoahGooder 3 ай бұрын

i just wonder if it will reach a 3 billion loss in total.

@bz6046 3 ай бұрын

It's contracted for 5 seasons.

@OrjanGrahn 3 ай бұрын

How to make Galadriel to the most hated Noldor elf ever.......second try. 😅

@BushmasterH 3 ай бұрын

I initially thought we were getting a tv show about the downfall of the nine like 1 new ring for each episode and by the end we have the ring wraith

@user-sn8rj4od7x 3 ай бұрын

Yeah that might have been watchable

@texasbeast239 3 ай бұрын

Dat make too much sense.

@Fe7Ace 3 ай бұрын

Just going by the title I thought it'd have more to do with that yeah, but also I think they expected/contracted this to have a bunch of seasons so they probably planned to lead up to those events while thriving as a good show for many many years?

@texasbeast239 3 ай бұрын

Why actually give us what the title implies, when they can give us what they think we need to see instead? That do be bait and switch.

@queenberuthiel5469 3 ай бұрын

@@texasbeast239 Yeah. The making of the three elven rings happened so fast and instead the audience were forced to follow Guyladriel in his revenge quest for one whole season.

@AshPrimeDCFC 3 ай бұрын

I'm looking forward to season 2. We'll get another great Drinker review and another great Pitch Meeting.

@khoreis818 3 ай бұрын

Amazon did raise their rates $2.99/month for no adds. Amazon Prime has increased about 50% in the last 5-6 years. I hate ads, and they have ruined every platform that's available

@SuperMarshall559 3 ай бұрын

Their best hope would be to make this a "What if the bad guys won" story.

@sigmacademy 3 ай бұрын

That MIGHT have worked, if they didn't RADICALLY alter the original lore so much, or at least attempt to.

@chasehedges6775 3 ай бұрын

@@sigmacademy💯💯

@Lonovavir 3 ай бұрын

Who knew Galadriel was the real villain? # Sauron was right

@chasehedges6775 3 ай бұрын

@@Lonovavir sooo true

@jacksimpson8529 3 ай бұрын

It'll never be as good as LOTR: Conquest's "Rise of Sauron" Campaign.

@veedellmuffin5501 3 ай бұрын

Despot blends in with background in a cool way, with drink in hand and resting on the table.

@TwillzDGawd 3 ай бұрын

9:25 despot just holding up mauler’s drink🤣🤣🤣 Promise I’m listening

@ShaneAddinall 3 ай бұрын

They would have to show Galadriel's trust in her own military "prowess" fail her in a dramatic fashion, sending her down the path to gaining magical power so that she can one day become the character we see in the LotR films. But The Message doesn't allow for strong, independent women to fail, soooo that's not going to happen.

@stoonersan2707 3 ай бұрын

If I was the showrunner I'd probably just hang out at the beach, because as we know "the sea is always right". Once I was done getting my inspiration I'd tell everyone to move to a different office and anyone who couldn't manage that for whatever reason I'd just leave behind. After all that mental tedium I'd just swim the Atlantic.

@MrsMacLover 3 ай бұрын

I can't wait to watch you, Gary, Disparu and other youtubers tear season 2 apart.

@-yeme- 3 ай бұрын

"The sea is always right" kek

@Incoherent-excitement 3 ай бұрын

Just shows that throwing millions of money at a project won't make a difference if the writing is poor. Writing is the foundation of any story - the story arc, the characters, the dialogue, the world building - and if that's garbage, as it was in RoP, it will sink the rest of the production regardless of big budget. This is what happens when people are hired based on identity and not talent.

@Lonovavir 3 ай бұрын

Godzilla minus one is eloquent proof of that, a $15 million dollar budget and it's so much better than 90% of other films.

@abrahamnarvaez1730 3 ай бұрын

You can’t money launder without millions of dollars

@toolegittoquit_001 3 ай бұрын

Dumpster Fire Part Deus. 🔥

@Dash277 3 ай бұрын

RoP achieved the goals it set out to accomplish: Black elf, black dwarf, Galadriel-Man, nice CGI, good music, Jacksons LotR member-berries.

@ItsaKindOfMagic86 3 ай бұрын

nah it still failed at that too

@khoreis818 3 ай бұрын

To make the show better, make Season 1 a dream, and restart the whole thing

@Mereologist 3 ай бұрын

This almost never works, because you are telling fans that you tricked them, and they will believe you'll trick them again and not invest.

@ItsaKindOfMagic86 3 ай бұрын

it will still be woke' hollywood has mandated woke criteria all scripts must meet in order to be approved

@ZacAttack98 3 ай бұрын

the arms coming out of despot got me rollin🤣

@shamrockdragon7634 3 ай бұрын

It is possible to have a worst second season. First two seasons of Picard were awful, and it didn't improve until season 3. So much as I like Despot's optimism, I think season 2 will be worse. Especially if any of the leaked stuff is true.

@edwoodsr 3 ай бұрын

They may as well go their own way. Let's say Annatar, rather than corrupting the elves and Numenor, instead goes to the Harfoots and convinces them that the famed Mordor Lava Baths will cause them to grow in both size and power.

@DatingDilemmaBreakdown 3 ай бұрын

Never understimate how bad a show can get. I'm watching Fear The Walking dead right now, mainly for completion of TWD... So much bad writing. I'm now at season 4 from where on writing apparently drops... Wait, it can still drop lower than what it's been already??? It's shocking how poorly written a show can be by "professional" writers.

@shawnbarton1485 3 ай бұрын

Rings of Power is like food poisoning. You're relieved when it's over and you hope it never happens again.

@cutieboychase 3 ай бұрын

U should write for the show with that brilliant analogy

@Secret_Takodachi Ай бұрын

and both things are much funnier when they're inflicted on people OTHER than yourself!

@nsob8897 3 ай бұрын

CG yes...the cheeto generator really amped up the realism. That show was so phoned in, it made me wish I could forget that I'd ever heard of it. What....a.....turd.

@nimdro 3 ай бұрын

Just started watching the fellowship of the ring with my 8 year old son a day back. Man such a masterpiece. It’s important to show and teach our young what’s good and what’s not.

@sigilsun 3 ай бұрын

You want to change direction with it hire Rian Johnson 🤣

@homersimpson118 3 ай бұрын

Please let Season 2 have a subtitle. Call it: “The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power: The Power of the Rings”

@och70 3 ай бұрын

"Tech Support Sauron..." So perfectly described. 😆

@edwardgonzales1115 3 ай бұрын

I can't wait for the love quadrangle between the three sauron and guyladriel. That will win so much

@swordmonkey6635 3 ай бұрын

Screw looking at House of The Dragon. I love the show, but RoP needs to be looking at Jackson's LOTR movies as a reference, both in production and execution.

@raymathews1474 3 ай бұрын

A vintage fin says they triple down on the mistakes.

@Magickyaaron1987 3 ай бұрын

A friend of mine is in season 2. They were changing the script dramatically halfway through his 2 weeks filming. The whole first week was a write off, the information the character had was totally different now. The actors had no idea about big picture, because it wasn't there. They did their scenes, often in multiple ways, completely contrary to each other, and left. That's where the money is going. And heaven help the editors.

@blacksheep9505 3 ай бұрын

The Harfoot’s, Gandalf meteor, Galadriel swimming entire ocean and surviving pyroclastic flow, volcano with a sword for a key and mithril jewelry stops elf cancer. It’s all just one big meme for people that know anything about LotR.

@bri_____ 3 ай бұрын

5:10 The squad was determined to not let despot speak 😂😂

@mauMauthecarabao 19 сағат бұрын

We're jumping to the fires of Mt. Doom with this one.

@marcneef795 3 ай бұрын

They should start by reshooting season 1

@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast 3 ай бұрын

I know from certain who individuals who have connections to the show that it was a nightmare behind the scenes. people were fired left and right, writers couldn't agree what story they wanted to tell, the show was originally about a young Aragorn, some wanted to adapt the Silmarillion but didn't have the adaption rights to the book, the Tolkien estate giving them a long list of things they could and couldn't do on the show such as referencing the movies (even though the showrunners wanted to connect ROP to the movies) writers being fired because they wanted to insert more woke elemets into the show and was met with disapproval, Tolkien selling out to Bezos on his tantalizing and money venture in making LOTR into the next Game of Thrones (which we all know how highly successful that was) a Tolkien scholar being fired, COVID19 impacting everything, the originally being 10 episodes but somewhere being changed to 8 instead, Jeff Bezos allegedly visiting the set and was furious on what he saw and demanded changes to be made in the middle of shooting. All in all, this show was produced with everyone's hands tied behind their backs, not really knowing what they wanted to do and the clock was ticking, and the best they could come up with was fan fiction. Now the big rumor for season 2 is that Sauron had a son thus making him human and exploring his humanity. When that has nothing to do with that character at all

@MagMar-kv9ne 3 ай бұрын

Tell us more plz and more details. Thank you.

@debanydoombringer1385 3 ай бұрын

The young Aragorn story was a different show runner entirely. That was nixed early by the woman over Amazon productions. I do believe it was them that did the work with the estate to get the rights which makes that doubly bad. Everyone knew it was going to be crap when they got rid of the renowned expert. Bezos should have been mad. He still should be.

@barrybend7189 3 ай бұрын

Hey guys watch the anime Feiren at Journey's End. If you want Tolkien style but being original there's this show. It's also a good comparison to Rings of Power.

@greglloyd147 3 ай бұрын

Or they could, now hear me out….. NOT MAKE IT! 🤨

@ConceptJunkie 3 ай бұрын

You know everything you need to know about RoP with one simple fact: Production on the show started in earnest immediately after Christopher Tolkien passed away.

@angrybatarian 3 ай бұрын

Looking forward to season 2 of rings of cringe

@ProjectRedfoot 3 ай бұрын

Battle at the end? Good job!

@DuKaSeRBiAPaIn 3 ай бұрын

I cant wait for s2 just becouse of your reactions and videos🙏🏼

@marinawolf 3 ай бұрын

I'm going to pretend RoP ended at the end of season 1 while simultaneously pretending season 1 doesn't exist. That's how bad it was.

@jairedstewart7405 3 ай бұрын

It’s laughable that people today think the Jackson films are super faithful to the lore- reality is that Jackson’s team made a number of departures from the books and many were as lore breaking as stuff in RoP. The difference is, Jackson successfully captured the spirit of the story and stayed faithful to the themes and the overall quality of his trilogy was so good that people are more willing to overlook the difference and appreciate the films on their own. ROP does not have that, I would argue more due to the overall quality than specific lore departures

@user-ly5qi9zb5t 3 ай бұрын

"Galdriel would you rather be pretty or smart" - "Oh pretty... i can fake being smart'

@concertunes156 3 ай бұрын

RoP S1 taught me a valuable lesson: there's a limit to how much I can yell at the TV.

@charlestruppi7793 3 ай бұрын

Here in the US Amazon is running ads during NFL playoffs for Prime Video. None of the ads even show RoP as a show to get people to subscribe. I think that tells you all you know about what Amazon corporate thinks of the appeal of RoP.

@irishtrash5 3 ай бұрын

I think, politics aside, the difference between Rings of Power and House of the Dragon really boils down to one thing: Attitudes. House of the Dragon knew they would have to EARN the accolades of the fanbase, and Rings of Power felt they were OWED accolades by the fanbase because they were doing us a favor.

@chrisg8334 3 ай бұрын

Long live the Despot!!

@MichaelACromwell 2 ай бұрын

Amazing that the Wikipedia entry for Rings of Power only reports the positive Rotten Tomatoes score with no mention of the legions of backlash. Lies abound.

@SturtH9 Ай бұрын

Doesn’t really matter to me. Never finished s1 and won’t touch anything LOTR related from Amazon again..

@sterling7 3 ай бұрын

"House of the Dragon" has characters with significant flaws. "Rings of Power" also has characters with significant flaws, but doesn't recognize it. And seems downright offended that anyone should suggest those characters have flaws while they're busy being "representative".

@troffle 3 ай бұрын

"Are we working from the text or are we doing their own thing?" What difference does this question make anymore; they SWORE they were working from the text and lied through their teeth.

@Hemskelol 3 ай бұрын

huge Tolkien fan and I haven't seen season 1, I already saw those elves in Manchester United

@wildside4822 3 ай бұрын

DESPOT BABY!!

@brianmurphy6480 3 ай бұрын

"Consulting producers"? What advice could they give that anyone would possibly want to hear? How to fail despite being given every opportunity to succeed? 🤷‍♂️

@chrish7830 3 ай бұрын

Critical Doggo would have brought more to this panel than Mr Brown did.

@deadlee0b1 Ай бұрын

"Should reflect the world we live in today". Notice how the showrunners don't mention that Tolkien himself said that he made Lord of the Rings in order to revitalize European mythology.

@justanothergunnerd8128 3 ай бұрын

I forgot about the statistics regarding viewer completion of the series - I forget what they were, but they were awful for modern television viewers completing the series. They briefly mentioned this around 8 minute mark...

@tomekkruk6147 Ай бұрын

No matter what they do, people can't unsee the first season.

@TheScience69 3 ай бұрын

Jebus. Considering the quality of season 1, and the fact they put that out without issue and claimed to be proud of it....season 2 must have been utterly shocking...

@revan.3994 3 ай бұрын

@The Little Platoon: Your answer to Despot at 6:26 nailed it IMHO. One fact you said gave me a moment of sudden insight: If Amazon doesn't own all the rights of the source material, they simply cannot stick to the lore and, in parts, have to invent a story. Ok, the story they then served us in Season 1 was shite, as was the acting, but this fact could explain that they were very constrained to begin with. And that raises the question on WHY did someone spent so much money on the most beloved fantasy franchise with a very special fanbase, for something that was doomed before it started?

@sigmacademy 3 ай бұрын

Perhaps, but you are assuming they WOULDN'T have changed most if not everything even IF they could do the original story right? :/