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If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
Check out the Merch Store: teespring.com/stores/growling-sidewinder-store Link to the 2nd Channel: kzfaq.info/love/U7PKGbU60sV5PmkARtZw-Q Just a quick little video to highlight the differences between the F22 and the F35 as always keep in mind the F35 wasn't really built to dogfight in the traditional sense so its not its fault it gets smoked in dogfights, if an F35 has merged many many mistakes have been made, as always keep in mind these are just mods and don't represent the TRUE capabilities of these highly classified aircraft.
@jtrx753 3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@Andrew-ql1cz 3 жыл бұрын
Which mods are you using?
@Elevatedshots4k 3 жыл бұрын
How about guns only fight no missiles.
@eyepatchpirate7726 3 жыл бұрын
perhaps try Grippen vs F35
@crazymavbro6418 3 жыл бұрын
Did u see the new Russian checkmate? I wonder how that thing would preform in DCS.
@WocketInMyPocket_ 3 жыл бұрын
3:11 is probably the most overlooked part of this video. That little nervous laugh after realizing how close y’all were to making a F-57. 💀🤣
@lionnelmurimi651 3 жыл бұрын
Best comment ive seen in a while
@williewilson2250 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh f57 lol
@WocketInMyPocket_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@lionnelmurimi651 glad I could be of service 🤣
@WocketInMyPocket_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@williewilson2250 bruhhh they 100% traded paint. I ain’t seen a merge anywhere near as close as that one was 🤣
@warriyu4878 2 жыл бұрын
bruh f-57 got me dying lmao
@Rohanology27 3 жыл бұрын
F-35: I'll try diving that should work! F-22: That's a hole in one (turn)
@Erv704 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@narcissus79 3 жыл бұрын
Now this is pod racing!
@narcissus79 3 жыл бұрын
@opener of the world your point being?
@jaxxxyn7217 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you explained how they were designed for vastly different roles and that the F-35 should in no way be seen as a “successor” to the F-22, and instead should be more of a compliment to an already incredible fighter.
@zacharyradford5552 2 жыл бұрын
There both experimental for the next fighter.
@9999AWC Жыл бұрын
@@zacharyradford5552 Neither are experimental...
@Whisper555 Жыл бұрын
NGAD is supposed to be the F-22 replacement. Whatever that is? I wonder if any of us will live long enough to find out just how good the F-22 really was?
@BungieStudios Жыл бұрын
The F-35 is actually comparable to the F-22 in mock engagements despite it being a multirole fighter. I was surprised to learn this. Cheaper, more advanced, and easier to upgrade. Of course the F-22 is peak air superiority being designed for that niche but the F-35 is definitely the next best thing.
@OReely444 2 жыл бұрын
You have to see the F-22 maneuver in person to truly appreciate what it is capable of. I was genuinely stunned the first time I saw one at Nellis in a demo.
@pastrie42 2 жыл бұрын
I had one go over my head, looking like it was drifting in the sky and he was LOW. California Capitol Air show is LEGIT! I'm going to just ride my bike along the river with a gopro this year to try to get footage from a different angle. The sound hit me in my chest and me and the guy next to me both turned into "woo girls." haha.
@beerdedwanderer Жыл бұрын
It moves like it has gravity engines. Totally insane.
@OReely444 Жыл бұрын
@@beerdedwanderer alien tech. 😂 I was recently active duty at Nellis and Thunderbirds flew over my office daily. Seeing the F-22 was completely different.
@bigchungus1848 Жыл бұрын
And yet none of us have even seen the F22s full capabilities.
@joeynyesss1286 Жыл бұрын
I've seen it at Fairford a few times its actually incredible, it's also the loudest thing I have ever heard in my life.
@SnaketheJake87 3 жыл бұрын
Hey GS, usually for the sake of anonymity, I just leave witty KZfaq algorithm comments. But instead I wanted to drop a better line. I'm a former USAF intelligence analyst. Namely in the field of fighter tactics. I've given a lot of briefs to pilots, and trained other air crew on the same subjects. Just wanted you to know that being able to watch your content has filled a huge void left by my departure from the military. Thanks for that, and thanks for your knowledge and professionalism. You would've made a fantastic analyst. Keep it up brother!
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
holy shit man thank you, I had no idea that was your background, very cool to hear that comment from someone like you man and thank you for always dropping the comments for the algorithm you're the man.
@sabercruiser.7053 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder well u are really good at what u do.please keep improving
@sabercruiser.7053 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder and please please do a euro fighter typhoon vs su-35e
@sabercruiser.7053 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder and an f-89 sabre vs bf 109
@sabercruiser.7053 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder and a rafale vs su-35e
@reapertalon 3 жыл бұрын
F-35: FIGHT ME! F-22: Don't talk to me kid, ur adopted
@chaptermasteraltethius 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@sabercruiser.7053 3 жыл бұрын
thats harsh
@reapertalon 3 жыл бұрын
@@sabercruiser.7053 well, the f22 won every dogfight
@reapertalon 3 жыл бұрын
@J enh, not really, the f-35a, well yes, that thing is useless, but other variants such as the b and the c are performing well in their respective categories, also, remember that the f-35 is a joint strike fighter, not an air superiority fighter like the f22, that being said however, WHY WOULD THE AIR FORCE RETIRE THE F22 GODDAMNIT! *cries*
@freddarau 3 жыл бұрын
@@reapertalon the 6th gen fighter program is entering service soon.
@swordmonkey6635 Жыл бұрын
F-35: pops flares after close flyby. F-22: Turns on a dime and fires missile and hits the F-35 from the front.
@danielgarcia4477 Жыл бұрын
The F22 breaking its sound barrier is like a eath quake happening. No joke.
@mikeck9946 3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that over the last 40 years, high-g turning dogfights have been extremely rare and are going to get rarer with the F-35 sensor fusion and modern IFF/data links. It’s far more important to be low observable and have high SA than be able to turn inside another aircraft. Of course, the F-22 can do ALL of those.
@ghcheong 3 жыл бұрын
During the Vietnam War, US planners also thought that the use of aircrafts that can dogfight is becoming obsolete, with advanced radar and missile technology... I wonder if this is becoming a trend.
@theboothy91 3 жыл бұрын
Yea F-35 was meant to hit you with missiles before you could react. Shit is crazy what it can do
@velocity324 3 жыл бұрын
Nah the f22's connectivity and cpu power are lacking. It was built in the 2000s so its running everything on a Dell.
@johnhermann7498 3 жыл бұрын
@@ghcheong - Funny how people so often forget the political aspect of warfighting....
@sanescobar7738 3 жыл бұрын
If USA Department of Defense thinks in this way, USA pilots will be kicked out again by some crazy dudes on the planes with the red star...Learn the history and never forgot the results from it. Same ignorance and arrogance of military advisors costed many lives of over Vietnam ..
@crashgsxr750 3 жыл бұрын
Hey F22 “you ever get tired of drinking whoop ass” F22: (big chug) “nope”
@bibinthomas5282 2 жыл бұрын
Su57: gulps a can of beer
@MaticJ29 2 жыл бұрын
@@bibinthomas5282 more like a coke or something else that’s childish
@andrewnoble7071 3 жыл бұрын
The only way I could describe this is “satisfyingly disappointing”
@atreus7839 3 жыл бұрын
Lol. facts.
@theankotze1292 Жыл бұрын
The F-22 is still the sexiest jet ever made
@Brausser123 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they would be more equal in a BVR fight, as that’s what’s the f35 was designed for mainly. Would be cool to see that one too, and it’s been awhile since you’ve done a bvr engagement
@jpmangen 3 жыл бұрын
Concur. I would like to see this matchup in BVR also. Possibly 2v1 in F35s favor. Just sayin'
@sidewinder3422 3 жыл бұрын
Nope F-22 was also designed as a topclass BVR killer, If anything F-35 is a true Fifth Gen Multirole, the US tried to make it a magic unicorn.
@kuolevijyrkinen4675 3 жыл бұрын
F35 would beat it in bvr because of it's reduced IR and a lot better radar
@TheBlackfire218 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@doc7000 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulrobbins4879 according to what is known the F22 has a smaller radar cross section then the F35 though BVR is probably not in the cards for these planes fighting each other.
@myles-cohenchan4282 3 жыл бұрын
If power is everything in a dogfight, lets see the saturn V up against the F-22!!!
@lucastornado9496 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Pman353 2 жыл бұрын
Goes into orbit
@bluecaptainIT 2 жыл бұрын
"So long, Raptor!" F-22A: *sends Air-to-Orbit missile* "Not so fast!"
@dreqxz4490 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao imagine
@davidmacy411 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the kill window would be for that before its going too fast for anything to catch up to it.
@bellaxxi4116 2 жыл бұрын
Aerodynamics: F-22: “You are temporary canceled”
@SmoochyRoo 2 жыл бұрын
I dunno if this has already been mentioned, but the ability for the F-35 pilot to shoot missiles off boresight thanks to their helmet mounted displays and the plane's distributed aperture system might mean that the F-35 doesn't necessarily need to turn into its target to get a missile lock, and it's possible the F-22 might have the same capabilities in the future. Regardless, this was an interesting matchup, keep it up!
@shutupanddrink3960 2 жыл бұрын
They're doing it in the video game simulator and that's not how those plane fight.
@jesusofbullets 2 жыл бұрын
So I worked with armament in the USAF, and I can confirm that’s not an F-35 exclusive. The capability exists on the F-15’s, F-16’s and the F-22’s as well because it’s just a link between the JHMCs system and the AIM-9X. I think that was the acronym, but basically it’s just the helmet paired with the AIM-9X’s camera.
@SmoochyRoo 2 жыл бұрын
@@jesusofbullets oh that's neat! I was always under the impression it's an F-35 specific capability since I've always heard of off bore sight locking in context to the F-35 and not any other aircraft. So I really appreciate the info!
@jesusofbullets 2 жыл бұрын
@@SmoochyRoo Now what the F-35 DOES have is a unique data link, meaning the F-35 can lock targets and relay targets to F-15’s behind holding a ton of medium range radar guided missiles to unleash a salvo before even being detected.
@christianrode2549 2 жыл бұрын
@@jesusofbullets F-22 does not support HMCS....no off foresight capability with AIM-9X
@idfclutchnixon 3 жыл бұрын
4:31 I like how F35 pilot didn't even bother to drop any more flares... he was like ''pfft, what am I even doing, there is a raptor pointing nose at me... guess my time has come''..
@carefulspeech8696 3 жыл бұрын
In round 3, F-35 should have quickly rolled from inverted as a fake-out, to back up into the vertical with a twin over-the-shoulder AIM-9X shot... : D
@ExarchGaming 2 жыл бұрын
is he hitting him with a heat seaker, or is it a radar guided? that may be why the flares do absolutely nothing. Chaff is what disrupts a radar lock.
@tinzalix8624 2 жыл бұрын
@@ExarchGaming he shot a fox-2, which is a heat seeker (aim-9), fox-3 would be a modern radar guided missile like an amraam (aim-120)
@BasedMHFan 2 жыл бұрын
4:32 bro he just used flare
@drparadox2106 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, something like... guess i die now
@casualobserver3145 3 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, you’ll never guess what happened on the 7th hole sand trap today!
@folgerscoffeeisgreat 3 жыл бұрын
Probably just another bogey
@theriptidegmd7558 2 жыл бұрын
@@folgerscoffeeisgreat xd
@OhYeahSimulator Жыл бұрын
I honestly miss working on the F-22. Just being able to watch it fly everyday was amazing. Love your videos! Much love! Keep up the great content. I am now getting back into DCS after 10 years of holding off. I used to fly the F-18 and the A-10. Watching your videos has made me want to revisit the amazing world of DCS and attempt to retrain on some of my favorite aircraft!
@victorkhong7654 2 жыл бұрын
Growling Sidewinder, I watch a lot of military aircraft content on KZfaq. Your videos stand out for the quality of thought and analysis. Thank you. It helps an ordinary person like me appreciate the subjects you explain.
@Saikyouuu 3 жыл бұрын
Me: "sees a 6 minute video about F-35 vs the Raptor" we all know where this is going.
@jaomircourtar1501 3 жыл бұрын
I literally said this before clicking 🤣🤣🤣
@mikek9297 3 жыл бұрын
All the way down...
@bri-manhunter2654 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, I was just watching “Seven Deadly Sins” before watching this video🤣
@carefulspeech8696 3 жыл бұрын
Remember what they say; the F-35 doesn't need to knife-fight. The weapons' will do the dogfighting.
@danielirimescu312 2 жыл бұрын
F 22 vs. F 35 raptor multi roll
@mxaxai9266 3 жыл бұрын
The F-35 is said to have excellent sensor fusion and its special helmet, which results in improved situational awareness of the pilot. I think this is not quite modeled in DCS, or at least not as impactful as it probably is in real life. Even if the F-35 loses every single merge, the technology should enable the pilot to avoid such situations entirely.
@georgebaggy Жыл бұрын
The F-35 distributed aperture system in combination with its special helmet enables the pilot to fire Sidewinders in any direction, including directly behind him.
@MiraiKishi Жыл бұрын
Man, I never even knew a jet could be that maneuverable, much less the F-22 being able to do all of that. I knew it was a capable fighter, but to see that stuff in video is just mind-blowing.
@lancetrujillo3155 3 жыл бұрын
When I saw the title, I wondered what this video was even about. But I still enjoyed watching it. The background to both fighters and their intended roles was a nice touch!
@napiersh1 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, that was a CLOSE merge.
@theboothy91 3 жыл бұрын
Yea that was actually impressive
@_moosh 3 жыл бұрын
“They were meant to fight together” but the gs community just wants to take all of its toys and bang it against the f22 to see them lose
@balllicker942 2 жыл бұрын
Just like making your plastic army men fight your new Iron Man toy
@005AGIMA 3 жыл бұрын
WOW!!!! I was literally searching for F22 vs F35 yesterday and was surprised you'd not done it yet. And now...here it is like magic :D
@user-wc3wu2mx3m 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for understanding that the F-35 wasn't meant to do this. It's honestly sad to see how many people don't get that. Very glad you actually did your research instead of unjustly blasting Fat Amy :)
@chooseymomschoose 3 жыл бұрын
I think what a lot of people don't understand about the F-35 is that it was designed to be a node in a distributed system. GS was kind of making this point. Yes, a lone F-35 would get absolutely creamed in a one-v-one with an F-22. However, that's not how it was designed to fight. If a (admittedly fantastical, never gonna happen) hostile F-22 managed to get that close to an F-35, it would be seconds away from being creamed by another F-35 or (eventually) a missile truck drone. The F-35 is a sensor/network package first, weapon system second. It's designed for a world where the targeting system is on one aircraft, the weapon is on another, and the engagement authority is yet somewhere else.
@DoloGrip 2 жыл бұрын
You honestly have to give credit to Lockheed, General Dynamics, and Boeing created a monster in the f-22. It’s a cool story how they created this masterpiece.
@avramnovorra 3 жыл бұрын
Round 1's merge is the closest, spiciest merge i've seen in a while.. i felt the WHOOSH for some reason, hell yeah..
@copperheadysf23a85 3 жыл бұрын
From what I can recall, the UK was offered the F-22, but it was deemed unaffordable. Japan was also given a chance to acquire a downgraded export variant of the F-22, but they were uninterested in helping to develop what was basically a watered down F-22. The UK and Israel have extremely strong ties with the US. So much so that their F-35s are the only export versions that do not include Lockheed Martin's "off button", which is a safety precaution in all other nation's exported F-35s.
@badpharaoh463 2 жыл бұрын
What is the off button
@jkull173 3 жыл бұрын
The defense department gets a lot of crap for taking forever to develop programs, but the fact that the US has already flown/tested successors to the f22/6th gen fighters, the b21 is right around the corner, and the navy’s unmanned tanker, hypersonic glide vehicles and Unmanned wingman programs are advancing is really cool.
@spaceemperorkarl121 Жыл бұрын
but they announced that they were going to upgrade F-22 into a 6th generation fighter, so it's gonna be around for sometime.
@radioactive9861 3 жыл бұрын
Did GS just say: "That is one dead 'Fat Amy'?" Did I hear that correctly? Cuz if I did...that was funny as hell!!!!
@spartan9458 3 жыл бұрын
It was really funny as that was the first nickname given to it by it's pilots. However I understand that it finally found it's true nickname amongst pilots as they found it's proper role and more info was declassified, due to how it does in strikes, which is primarily how it fights; it is now the "Panther." It makes sense too. It goes in unseen and pounces, then is off. Definitely want to see a BVR fight against the two though. That would be a much more interesting and fair fight as they are both stealth aircraft. Stealth doesn't help much in a dogfight, I mean the F-16C will fairly consistently beat the F-35 in a dogfight.
@carefulspeech8696 3 жыл бұрын
@@spartan9458 How will the AMRAAM do in BVR however, vs either one of the two? Maybe an F-15EX would be ever superior to both those then, given it's IRST and back seater to assist ??
@Nellinator23 3 жыл бұрын
Love the informational stuff at the beginning, always something I love seeing. Also, they ought to add something to the F-22 mod that just says "Goodbye" (like the old AOL/AIM signoff) whenever you launch a missile. Good on ya for getting revenge on the Trash Dove for wrecking your F-14 a while back.
@SldgeHammr 3 жыл бұрын
*me fixing the 20mm cannon rounds that went through my house a couple days ago, looks through hole in wall, see's F35 crash onto the green on course 7 "Man, I gotta get outta this neighborhood"
@dioad1739 3 жыл бұрын
LMAO🤣😂
@tko26 3 жыл бұрын
“A completely balanced fight with no exploits” - Me right now
@midnightrider1100 Жыл бұрын
Interesting to see these dog fights but I'd like to see more videos of these aircraft performing the roles they were most designed for and performing missions they would most likely be used for in a military conflict.
@GM-fh5jp 3 жыл бұрын
Nice demo of the differences in design and role of two exceptional aircraft. Like many here I would be interested in a high-quality BVR encounter as it would be fascinating to see you and your opponent(s)? doing the beam and chaff routine against the long-range AAMRAMs and also how well the LPI radars work. F35s advanced ECM capabilities(if modelled?) should be superior to the raptor and I would like to see the effect on the fight outcomes.
@peterruiz6117 3 жыл бұрын
The story to tell my buddies: "I'm telli 'n ya'... I sent the ball sooo freeg 'in hard... I brought down a FIGHTER PLANE !!!"
@xaber_ 3 жыл бұрын
'y'all should know, my balls are like missiles'
@simplymax2125 3 жыл бұрын
@@xaber_ “They’re fuckin crazy! Cuttin through the sky at what seems like the speed of SOUNDS n shit”
@Robert53area 3 жыл бұрын
There I was on the back of the 9th hole was setting up to get on the green, infront of me was the bunker... And out of no where a plane crashed I to the bunker.
@robinmickelsson-htta3413 3 жыл бұрын
Buddy, a fully loaded BVR fight between the F35 and the Raptor. That is the fight I want to see. Both are really impressive BVR fighters.
@thegreenmamba100 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the intro talk about the planes as well as the action :)
@F22raptor46 3 жыл бұрын
I gotta say this tho, the F-35's capabilities in this video were nerfed as he was carrying the AIM-9M in the video, let him have the 9X which is what the F-35 would really carry, and let him use off boresite as it would be his only way to defend against the F-22
@starbase218 3 жыл бұрын
Only thing about that is the F-35 can't actually carry any AIM-9 in a stealth configuration. The Sidewinder's seeker head needs to see its target to lock on before launch. With the F-22 that's possible as it has special bays with rails that extend and angle the Sidewinder outwards. The F-35 OTOH needs to carry the AIM-9s on wing pylons. I've been wondering about this. I mean, block 4 F-35s are supposed to be able to carry 6 AMRAAMs. I don't know how realistic DCS is (I don't play it myself, just here to watch GS and learn stuff), but quite often radar-guided missiles seem to be easy to defend against. It's good to get a guy to be defensive, I guess, but wouldn't internally carried AIM-9s increase the lethality of the F-35? Just wondering. But I guess nobody actually knows how realistic DCS is wrt the F-35 and F-22 (and possibly other types).
@F22raptor46 3 жыл бұрын
@@starbase218 Well in this case stealth isn't even the factor since it's a dogfight so it shouldn't really matter, however for the real deal this was actually answered in the FPP Podcast I think the F-35 episode or the one after that
@starbase218 3 жыл бұрын
@@F22raptor46 It's true that stealth is no factor here. But that doesn't mean the F-35 in question is always going to carry external ordnance if it may end up in a situation like this (at least that's the way I see it). Are you talking about the Fighter Pilot Podcast? I just googled and found it. I'll check it out.
@F22raptor46 3 жыл бұрын
@@starbase218 Yes the fighter pilot podcast
@andrewmoore7022 2 жыл бұрын
@@starbase218 the station's the f-35 carries its sidewinders on are specifically designed to carry them with minimal RCS increase
@johnrollex680 3 жыл бұрын
I would really like to see a BVR engagement.
@GlitchedBot 3 жыл бұрын
I slide into the comments section to seek a BVR engagement video and what do I see..?
@demmemess4456 3 жыл бұрын
seeing that the F22 has much greater stealth capability, the results would most likely be the same. F35 would have a better chance though
@hippoace 3 жыл бұрын
Nah it would amount to both be boxing with blindfolds on. All the punches will miss until both get within grappling range, aka WVR fights.
@johnrollex680 3 жыл бұрын
@@demmemess4456 "much greater" is a bit of an exaggeration. And doesn't the f-35 have better thermal sensors? I'm not sure if that's modeled in DCS targeting acquisition.
@demmemess4456 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnrollex680 So if they are even in such BVR engagements, they’ll most likely both survive until distance has closed and the same result would probably occur
@jayceotter 3 жыл бұрын
I love your mini documentary in the beginning. I love hearing new things about these aircraft.
@mpedrozax1 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, i had the burning question after watching other of your dog fights. Thank You for scratching that itch.
@keithriggs4456 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the synopsis vis-a-vis F-22 role and F-35 role, I was enlightened
@BarryisLost 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who has a little more knowledge on the F-35 than the general person on the street, I knew where this was going before I even clicked. They’re two different aircraft with two different purposes. What I think would be cool is to see F-22s and 35s fighting other aircraft like you guys did before with the 22s a while back.
@TheMan-mb6ug 3 жыл бұрын
I love it when you teach us about the aircraft!! Thank you!!
@O5-X1 Жыл бұрын
The F-22 was so advanced and expensive and despite being the first Generation 5 it still poses as one of the or atleast the best Generation 5 Aircraft
@jonavery4978 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus, that insane turn rate. I remember playing wing commander back in the day and that looks exactly like when you go from flying the banshee which is alright in it's way to flying the dragon and it's like, oh, I've hit late game and you can suddenly take on full squadrons with ease where a pair of fighters could mess you up early game.
@drewm4914 3 жыл бұрын
When the notification popped up for this in my head, I imagined Bruce Buffer yelling "Iiiiiiit's Tiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmeeee". I've been waiting for the F-35 to come out in DCS. Next video-Felon vs Fat Amy. Great video GS.
@kamov52510 3 жыл бұрын
Fat amy?
@drewm4914 3 жыл бұрын
@@kamov52510 thats the nickname for the F-35.
@kamov52510 3 жыл бұрын
@@drewm4914 Ohh ok
@mickeyg7219 3 жыл бұрын
It seems that the F-35's high off-bore sight is not modeled here, in a WVR fight, the F-35 might actually have an advantage.
@mikethompson2650 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. The F35 is fighting with one hand tight behind its back. How about a guns only fight.
@Bad_Wolf_Media 3 жыл бұрын
The F-35 is designed to be exported around the world to pretty close to anyone that can pay for it. The F-22 is the US's leading-tech air superiority fighter. Do you honestly think the US would be selling an export product that could down our own lead fighter? BTW, the true specs of the F-22 are NOT modeled in this system. They're best guesses.
@michaelstodovski2219 3 жыл бұрын
F-35 has inferior maneuverability. There's only so much off-boresight missiles could help. But they WONT help against an enemy that's consistently on your 9 o'clock and gets to fire missiles first. As such the F-22 has all the advantages.
@cattledog901 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelstodovski2219 The F35s sensors and helmet sight can take full advantage of the AIM9X and can even fire it 180°. It is a huge advantage over the F22 which has to turn its nose onto the general area to get a lock because it lacks the offboresight ability. Yes the F22 has better kinematics but the F35s sensors and helmet sight make it very dangerous if not almost equal to the F22 in a real world fight.
@michaelstodovski2219 3 жыл бұрын
@@cattledog901 But the very missile itself has limitations..... It is ALWAYS better and more reliable to fire off missiles from the front. If a enemy is trying to approach you from a distance shooting from behind might be valid.... *But not within active Air Combat Maneuvering/Dogfights* You see here Aim-9X missiles missing *in much more favorable nose positions.* How on Earth is a missile gonna do a 180 and kill an enemy that's right up your ASS from 400 meters away? That's impossible.
@sokandueler9578 2 жыл бұрын
I love the little laser sounds when you guys merge.
@RobertReg1 3 жыл бұрын
Just crazy... Not one turn. Nice surprise hearing your breakdown at start of vid. Have listened to many people talk about these two planes over last couple tears and think you were really concise
@RealRandomSmart 2 жыл бұрын
wait..
@arcadianwheat7499 3 жыл бұрын
I just love watching the f-22 destroy everything it goes agents.
@Mobius118 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@jackson4736 3 жыл бұрын
Agents
@InvaderNatDT 3 жыл бұрын
It's lost a few times to a couple of jets.
@arcadianwheat7499 3 жыл бұрын
@@InvaderNatDT I think the only one it lost a few rounds to the su-57 but I think it still won 3-2.
@karjalasta 3 жыл бұрын
@@arcadianwheat7499 Nope
@tacticalinferno8198 3 жыл бұрын
Finally the fight I have been asking for,for over 22 vids
@lhernandez857 3 жыл бұрын
Growling sidewinder. It’s been a little bit bro but I’m always watching. Hope maybe to meet one day to see your set up. It amazing and very satisfying to watch you work brother. Keep up that great work! 👍
@TomatoCultivator 3 жыл бұрын
The history/background in the beginning of your videos is really cool
@faqirmohammadabdullah2906 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry GS I've missed a couple of your videos due to exams, but it's refreshing to be back! I hope you're doing well brother!!
@GrowlingSidewinder 3 жыл бұрын
Hey buddy hope you did well on ur exams Much love.
@alexbuss3377 3 жыл бұрын
The F-15&F-16 were meant to work together. The viper was obviously also meant as a cheaper fighter compared to the F-15. And now we have the same situation with the F-22&F-35. F-16&F-35 are both meant as strike fighters that have a capability to protect themselves if needed. But the F-15&F-22 were designed from the ground up as air supremacy fighters.
@firesnout8016 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being in a country at war with the US, you just got a brand new F-35 and you go up in it one day because you got a report of enemy aircraft and all of a sudden an F-22 blows right past you and you look back to see it circling before you even can start turning
@Vixikats 2 жыл бұрын
That first merge was so close that the pilots could have reached out of their respective cockpits and high-fived each other. Lmao.
@timlolxP 3 жыл бұрын
This map looks amazing, so much detail.
@riphopfer5816 2 жыл бұрын
I never tire of seeing the F-22 fight-even when it’s not remotely challenged. It’s just a pleasure to see it move.
@zacharyradford5552 2 жыл бұрын
You’ve never seen an F-22 in a fight.
@Joshtheman99 Жыл бұрын
Wow! I recognize the landscape! It's Guam!! I'm stunned!! Dope video by the way
@StormRaid417 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that they can't use the full potential of these fighter jets during shows or training is insane. I can't imagine these in combat mainly because you can't see them coming. The maneuverability of these jets maybe a lot more advanced than what we see.
@doncalypso 3 жыл бұрын
"Good! I've been looking forward to this!" --- Count Dooku ---
@beng7844 3 жыл бұрын
Twice the pride, double the fall
@johnrow76 3 жыл бұрын
I Have the High Ground!
@MrErictank 3 жыл бұрын
"Surely you can do better!"
@Tianablue1 3 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel! Great videos! Currently binge watching! Went to download DCS myself yesterday but 60GB’s!? That’ll take me a week to download!
@anthonieneveling6435 3 жыл бұрын
LOLO bro the golf course comment was solid and worrying lmao
@Kresnov 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone know the Aerial equivalent of teabagging, that was it right there.
@michaelfishbeck384 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!!!!
@georgesakellaropoulos8162 3 жыл бұрын
More like a wienerstache.
@EgosumParduas 3 жыл бұрын
inverted pass over the crash site while dumping flares
@spackle9999 3 жыл бұрын
F-35 would hold the upper hand in BVR because of DAS and EOTS. In realistic terms, they'd both be running with radars off to avoid detection. F-35 would see first and shoot first. It could fire 4 AAMRAMS and then just run away. F-22 couldn't do anything about it.
@aidanwilliams9452 3 жыл бұрын
And that initial BVR engagement would force the F-22 on the defensive and basically allow the F-35 to position however it likes for a second shot
@MadChad1640 3 жыл бұрын
No it wont. In BVR the fight will be even more unfair due to F-35's lower speed its missiles and it will have much less energy to maneuver. The f-22 also has a low RCS from the front. It is also likely that the raptor's radar has more transmitter receiver modules than f-35.
@mallikarjun5260 2 жыл бұрын
F22 still secret We don’t know the full capabilities
@darthjedi99 Жыл бұрын
Love that flat horizon. Great video!
@chriscroumbie-brown6914 3 жыл бұрын
Pilot never yelled out "Fore" Gonna lose his membership to that golf course
@wv3158 3 жыл бұрын
The fight Ive been waiting for
@Marmocet 3 жыл бұрын
Hehe... pretty one-sided fight, huh?
@angryhedgehog4266 3 жыл бұрын
me too. I bet f 22 will win due to double engine settup
@wv3158 3 жыл бұрын
@@Marmocet yeah it is haha but I would like to see a bvr version and see how that would play out
@_Coffee4Closers 3 жыл бұрын
It was like a Mike Tyson fight in the early days... lasted about 20 seconds.
@RealRandomSmart 2 жыл бұрын
@angry Hedgehog The twin engines do not necessarily do anything lol
@DrDrew-mw2gy 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! I know the outcome, but I'm still glad you did it thanks! Now I would like to find out if it is possible for any aircraft to survive against the F-35 BVR and actually merge with it. I think that would determine a lot about the F-35's combat role.
@gosborg 3 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see the Gripen fight against the Typhoon. I’m guessing they would be well matched, but with different strengths and weaknesses.
@demonman1234 2 жыл бұрын
The way the F-22 in the explanation part turned.. would be insane to dogfight that thing with actual realistic capabilities in DCS...
@lmac1807 Жыл бұрын
the f-22 just checkmates everyone it seems, even the f-35!
@AyanSengupta7 3 жыл бұрын
Want to see a bit more of SU 57 and SU 30 MKI...
@justacathittingjuul9645 2 жыл бұрын
The intro was so interesting that I forgot that this is a DCS Video
@bananian 2 жыл бұрын
*unlocks F22 secret capabilities* F22: *Activating Instant Kill*
@Rationalific 3 жыл бұрын
This was awesome! But I'd also like to see the F-22 guns only VS the F-35 with guns and missiles. Is that possible in the future?
@KekusMagnus 3 жыл бұрын
This merge would never happen though, they are both primarily designed for BVR where the F-35's superior avionics would give it the edge. In fact it seems the F-35's 180 degree off-boresioght capability wasn't modeled here, it should be able to fire a fox-2 more or less at the same time as the F-22
@arcaipekyun4232 2 жыл бұрын
F-22 is more stealthy though, if we’re talking about BVR.
@EddyA1337 2 жыл бұрын
The f-22 likely has avionics just as good as the f-35 if not better. It's why f-22 tech isn't exportable and top secret, just like the b-2. The cockpit layouts are even classified. Why would the US military export planes with better avionics than its air superiority fighter? This is why the US military is apprehensive about Japan's tactical fighter program, they want to use the yf-23 airframe but it would basically have f-15j and f-35 avionics. If Japan brought the yf-23 up to production status it would likely outperform the f-22.
@TallDude404 Жыл бұрын
@@EddyA1337 It wasn't exported because of US congress not because it was so highly classified that not even allies could operate it.
@CrotchRocket78 2 жыл бұрын
Lol the not surprised voice was hilarious.
@mikeg3950 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so into these plane videos. Can’t imagine the feeling of flying one.
@KaMil-gw2qr 3 жыл бұрын
The F22 is so beautiful, imagine how nice the YF-23 would be.
@318lovejones 2 жыл бұрын
The F-22 almost seems to have the ability to slow down time the way it hovers around in the air. It truly is a remarkable airplane.
@ryantaylor3073 6 ай бұрын
We will never know what the B2 and F22 were fully capable of…and that’s exactly what they were designed for.
@raelprojectonlinegraphicno3618 3 жыл бұрын
wow...could you get any closer on that second merge?! Maverick would be proud!
@steveacclaro740 3 жыл бұрын
I live in Canada, and we've (the public) have been painfully waiting for the government to decide between the F35 and the Gripen JAS39E for our next fighter. Could you do this same video but with those two aircraft? I've always wondered which plane would win off the merge. Thanks for all your videos, I love them!
@zain4019 2 жыл бұрын
@Sinista Saints ouch... but you're right lol.
@marrqi7wini54 2 жыл бұрын
Coming back, your government chose the F-35.
@shoutatthedevil189 3 жыл бұрын
Love that you're flying the Nightstorm F-22, I had someone double checked. You're definitely using the Nightstorm.... hahaha
@averagejoe1943 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot to yell Four!!! On that last shoot down!
@zedgamingbeluga815 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this show down
@paulauriemma7236 2 жыл бұрын
The military actually did this year and the F-35 blew the Raptor out of the water with I believe 22 kills to 1. The F-22's only kill was when it actually had visual contact
@BigPeter1313 Жыл бұрын
Seems like the F-22 is far superior as it applies to dogfights.
@sgtjrwhopper5683 2 жыл бұрын
They do an annual war games with a lot of countries involving mass air to air combat, and the F-22 always comes in first and the F-35 in second.
@youseff500 2 жыл бұрын
Well there ya go; American-made fighters save lives and create friendships. Now try that sales pitch with a Mig!
@whells195 3 жыл бұрын
People forget that IRL the F-35's sensor fusion allows it to make a more extreme use of the latest aim 9xs, the F-35 can have a missile fire and do a 180°, while the 22 needs to turn into its target, this gives the F-35 a massive advantage should a merge occur with any fighter.
@ws6619 3 жыл бұрын
going from Mach 1 to zero to Mach 1 to do a '180' is pretty much a fantasy.
@Chrisxx-tv3xu 3 жыл бұрын
Yea the helmet the f-35 pilots have is something else. I wish the f-22 had the helm,but would be extreme overkill 🤣
@Chrisxx-tv3xu 3 жыл бұрын
@J I mean there hasn’t been much jet to jet combat with today’s tech, so we really can’t judge it 100% but due amramms and long range AAMs I would say yes but I think dog fighting will still come up
@artemvektor1 3 жыл бұрын
It's only a game)
@whells195 3 жыл бұрын
@@ws6619 as far as I know we dont have any actual footage of how the missile does this, but I am assuming it would use control surfaces to turn before ignition, the Isrealis have also developed this capability with the Python V missile
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