Fischer Immune to Poison

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Georgi Tringov vs Robert James Fischer
"Poisoned Pawn Antidote" (game of the day May-12-2004)
Havana (1965), Havana CUB, rd 5, Aug-31
Sicilian Defense: Najdorf Variation. Poisoned Pawn Accepted (B97)
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cd4 4. Nd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 8. Qd2 Qb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. e5 de5 11. fe5 Nfd7 12. Bc4 Bb4 13. Rb3 Qa5 14. O-O O-O 15. Ne6 fe6 16. Be6 Kh8 17. Rf8 Bf8 18. Qf4 Nc6 19. Qf7 Qc5 20. Kh1 Nf6 21. Bc8 Ne5 22. Qe6 Neg4
00:00 Hello Everyone!
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Havana (1965)
The 4th Capablanca Memorial International Chess Tournament was held in the capital city of Havana in Cuba. Eighteen grandmasters and six masters participated in the round-robin event at the Habana Libre hotel from August 25 to September 26, 1965. It was one of the best-funded tournaments at the time, due to Ché Guevara's patronage. As the director of the Cuban National Bank and Minister of Industry, he guaranteed a $3000 first prize with more than $4500 to be dispersed among the next five finishers. This edition of the memorial gained worldwide significance because it was the first international tournament in which Bobby Fischer would be participating since the Curacao Candidates (1962), more than three years before. He had agreed to attend for a $3000 appearance fee, but difficulties arose when the US State Department refused him a visa to travel to Cuba. When Fischer suggested playing by telex from the Marshall Chess Club, the organizers agreed although it would end up costing them over $10,000. Although Fischer had been playing regularly in US championships in the intervening three years (and winning them all), this tournament would mark the first time Fischer would be facing a number of the strongest Soviet grandmasters since his accusations against them for conspiring to keep him from winning the Candidates Tournament to challenge Botvinnik in 1963. Fischer's main Soviet rivals at this event were former world champion Vasily Smyslov, Efim Geller and Ratmir Kholmov.
Borislav Ivkov led for most of the tournament, but suffered a tragic collapse at the end. In the penultimate round, with a won game against the tailender Garcia, he blundered and had to resign. In the last round, with White against Robatsch, he played for a win, but lost again. This enabled Smyslov to finish first by one-half point, despite losing to Fischer in their individual game. Fischer shared second place with Geller and Ivkov. Kholmov joined the top finishers in fifth place.
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@Zenith9132 Жыл бұрын

Capablanca, Fischer and Korchnoi taught me a very important lesson as a chess player; pawn grabbing can win you games.

@akelakela5524 Жыл бұрын

Yasser, Aman and Arjun too 😂

@Beerfish777 Жыл бұрын

Magnus shows that in almost every game he wins. At the start of the end game he is always up a pawn or two.

@a.m.armstrong8354 Жыл бұрын

Chess is about reducing the possibilities available to your opponent.

@jessejordache1869 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Korchnoi is especially famous for taking pawns "of any quality".

@FizzLeeague Жыл бұрын

@@Beerfish777 You know, Magnus has sometimes done the opposite since the Alphazero stuff. One of the things Alphazero showed is that sometimes you should go as much as three pawns down (as insane as that sounds) for activity and openness on your half of the board. Your own pawns can often hem your own pieces and suffocate your position. Since then, Magnus has seemed willing to be down a pawn or two in order to achieve great activity or position. He also has adopted AlphaZero's LOVE of the flanking pawns on the A and H file.

@juliatruchsess1019 Жыл бұрын

In some contexts "poisoned" means the same thing as "poisonous". If you offer someone a drink into which poison has been put, the drink is said to be "poisoned". "Poisoned" in the sense of having ingested poison is generally reserved for living things.

@stoic-wy6ge Жыл бұрын

What a chess playing babe. Thanks

@myotun9271 Жыл бұрын

maybe he sees chess pieces as actual pieces in an army, where the pawn is a “living thing”

@mabeans1 Жыл бұрын

Also just plain "poison pawn" works too

@FedericoLancerin Жыл бұрын

I was about to start writing this same drink analogy to show why it makes sense for it to be called "poisoned pawn". It's like if someone coated it with poison... that someone being the white player that set it up to act as bait.

@koinkorillas1692 Жыл бұрын

Vast knowledge and all that blah blah thank you

@stephenbrown8377 Жыл бұрын

Sir, your discussion of the distinction between the English words 'poisoned' and 'poisonous' is remarkable and very interesting. I think, as suggested in other comments, 'poisonous' suggests it has always been like that. I.e. a poisonous mushroom; or the B2 pawn is always dangerous to take. 'Poisoned' suggests that there has been human intervention; I.e poisoned apple; or the B2 pawn is poisoned because of previous moves White has made. But still, absolute credit for your knowledge of English.

@freethought23 Жыл бұрын

Yes it's poisoned , not poison. Poisoned meaning that it was intentionally given up with the knowledge that it was bad for the other person

@matthewbrownmusic Жыл бұрын

great elaboration. Maybe it's called "poison pawn" because the poison is contagious. It's meant to die off but not without harming the opponent who captures the pawn

@Alexander-nl5yy Жыл бұрын

"I don't consider myself to be a genius at chess. I consider myself to be a genius who just happens to play chess." -- Bobby Fischer 🤣

@user-jw1gs3rn6r Жыл бұрын

Above 140 IQ is genius fiscers IQ is 180+ so he will definietly excel at every field he chosen

@VidaBlue317 11 ай бұрын

😆 so humble

@Jordan73SJ 11 ай бұрын

Hes not wrong tho

@ponglerman 11 ай бұрын

@@VidaBlue317 He recognised his value as a being. There is nothing wrong with that

@Tomoyo_Sayomura Жыл бұрын

3:45 I feel like “poisoned” in this case is used as an adjective, not in the sense of passive voice. It describes the state of the pawn of having poison or covered in poison, which is essentially means “poisonous”. It does not necessarily mean that the pawn itself is being poisoned by someone else.

@thembadube9589 Жыл бұрын

Pretty much like "poisoned chalice".

@mariuszpudzianowski8400 Жыл бұрын

@@thembadube9589 There have been cases of chalices dying from poison, I'm sure

@michaelgarrow3239 Жыл бұрын

Kinda like when you say man meaning mankind. And feminists get their panties in a bunch…

@jessejordache1869 Жыл бұрын

I always assumed it meant "pawn that is poisonous". It's one of those native speaker quirks, where even if someone is extremely fluent in a language like Agad, there's an idiom or two that he might read wrong. Think of it this way: a poisoned pawn is one that you swallow at your own peril.

@fahdalbrashi3175 Жыл бұрын

You can't be aerious😢

@TiptronicSS Жыл бұрын

philosophical debate about a word, love it 😂😂😂 this made my day. Love this channel

@mikesummers-smith4091 Жыл бұрын

"Poisonous" means naturally poisonous, e.g. snake venom or the plant deadly nightshade. "Poisoned" means that poison has been applied to something not poisonous of itself, such as an arrow or the apple which Snow White ate. "Poisoned pawn" works for this English-speaker.

@joshuaflackua Жыл бұрын

Poisonous also means not naturally poisonous according to the dictionary, but yeah, poisoned pawn works.

@ArederQ Жыл бұрын

It would be great to start a new series on Bobby Fischer's rise to top

@joshuaflackua Жыл бұрын

It's standard English to say that an inanimate object is "poisoned" if someone has put poison in it. For example, if someone poisons another's food, it becomes poisonous, yes, but it is common to say it is "poisoned" ("has been poisoned"). The metaphor is that your opponent has secretly poisoned the pawn, making it bad to take. It is a poisoned pawn.

@michaelmassaro4375 Жыл бұрын

Fischer so talented his ability to create spectacular moves catching his opponents off guard

@hectorg5809 11 ай бұрын

Fischer is king

@christopher48778 Жыл бұрын

The pawn is only considered "poisoned" until it moves, it cannot carry its poison with it. If the pawn could carry its poison with it, then "poisonous" would make more sense. But because the pawn is only poisoned as long as it sits on b2, enticing you like an appetizing but secretly deadly meal, the canonical "poisoned" is apropos.

@drewpocernich2540 Жыл бұрын

9:38 One variation I cant believe you didn't cover is taking the knight with either pawn or bishop.

@jatinbhende3205 Жыл бұрын

In either of the cases you just grab White's light squared bishop and there is no attack.

@lwinegard49 Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly. I understand that there may be a refutation, but this threatens checkmate, takes back a piece, seems to be a "useful move" at least

@Hubythereal Жыл бұрын

I agree with your reasoning. Poisoned pawns would just die from poison, and poisonous pawns will poison you if you eat / take them. However a pawn in a chess game is not a living thing, but a piece. Thus it can't die, but it still can contain poison. So it's okay to say poisonous and poisoned as well.

@thekurdishtapes8317 Жыл бұрын

but in chess terminology nobody ever sais poisonous.

@PatCombs-se5yy Жыл бұрын

Sir, you are a true gentleman.

@mognuscarlson5393 Жыл бұрын

If I was in black's position I would've panicked. Fischer was indeed a human engine.

@1660varun Жыл бұрын

3:05 Agad mannnnnnn such a deep thought 😂😂😂

@FloydMaxwell Жыл бұрын

Love the quote above the board

@MrSoloComentarios Жыл бұрын

Hey! I'm glad to know that in Croatia you say "eat" when you take a piece or pawn, here in Argentina is the same. Greetings from the land of the current Football World Champions.

@TheForgottenMan270 Жыл бұрын

Fischer must be a magician. Tringov appeared to have more of a winning position, but Fischer comes in and makes it disappear.

@thekurdishtapes8317 Жыл бұрын

Hi Agad, not sure how you call them in Croatian, but in German it's exactly the same construction as in English: It's called a "vergifteter Bauer" which is equal to "poisened pawn" whereas "poisenous pawn" would rather translate to "giftiger Bauer" which is never used by anyone. So it sounds to me like the poisened pawn theme it's a universal chess paradigm across languages, not just an English thing.

@kenallen4175 Жыл бұрын

Gotta go back and watch the last half of the game again. For sure got lost thinking it was over for Fischer

@precioustreasures6045 Жыл бұрын

Whenever i see an analysis fischer game i never skip it..i dont know but i always enjoy watching his games..there is always the feeling that fischer always play for the win.

@voiceofchris9051 Жыл бұрын

Did you skip this one?

@hectorg5809 11 ай бұрын

Bobby is great

@rolfstorz3745 Жыл бұрын

Incredible game along with fine commentary 😊

@Steve-dv4hy Жыл бұрын

Maybe it's whether the poison is exogenous to the thing. Like "poisoned" is a past tense verb meaning an action introduced poison. Hemlock doesn't get poisoned, it's poisonous by nature. So I guess it depends on how you think about the state of pawns :).

@professorsogol5824 Жыл бұрын

According to the Merriam Webster Dictionary, poison, poisoned is a transitive verb. It has two definitions a: : to injure or kill with poison This is how our host, the agadmator, understands it. But the second meaning is b: to treat, taint, or impregnate with or as if with poison Which what "poisoned" means in the chess context.

@victorianchan8638 Жыл бұрын

There's an expression in most languages "poison apple" / "poisoned apple" popularised from Snow White, it has the same meaning. I hope that helps, and glad to hear your dog is still around.

@Draconisrex1 Жыл бұрын

In culling certain predators and pests, you poison the bait. Therefore, it is called poisoned, as in 'the bait has been poisoned' or 'this bait is poisoned.'

@davidgriffiths7696 Жыл бұрын

Poisoned pawn. The nearest equivalent would be poisoned meat, or poisoned rat bait. As the pieces are themselves dead, either alive once as tree bark, or never alive, such as granite pieces, but not marble which is metamorphosed calcareous marine flora, we can say they are poisoned in a metaphorical sense with the tactical intention of the chess player. The pieces themselves would therefore not suffer from being poisoned, being dead already. Hope that helps.😁

@hussainalharmoodi7665 Жыл бұрын

Fischer: the pawn in B2 is a poison pawn. Agad: yes it is unless you push B4

@alerdo4001 Жыл бұрын

Wherein the word “poisoned” define the object “pawn” then it’s an adjective in that context. “Contaminated” is a good example. More Bobby games, please.

@diegozophielnorambuena-ld1og Жыл бұрын

I see Fischer i click :D

@paulmoore7964 Жыл бұрын

In English poison xxx means 'an xxx that carries poison'. Like poison ring, or here poison pawn. It has subtle difference from poisonous, that is a thing that is intrinsically deadly

@CMAAvinash Жыл бұрын

The Real GOAT.

@michaelsheffield6852 Жыл бұрын

Yes agree a poisonous pawn

@peterbrown6224 Жыл бұрын

Wow, I thought Bobby was White for a long time there. I think of "poisonous" as something that's endogenously toxic, "poisoned" has been adulterated. Thank you again for your wonderful channel.

@donquixote8462 Жыл бұрын

Best and most succinct answer to the poisoned/poisonous debate.

@Thepuritan1 Жыл бұрын

Poisoned pawn is past tense. It means that the pawn was once poisoned, and it would be weird. We call it the 'poison pawn'. Poison pawn is present tense, so I think of it like a pawn full of poison. If you eat it you die. So it works for me at least. (Also thank you for all the great content. The good news is your English is way better than my Croatian!)

@StevenStJohn-kj9eb Жыл бұрын

It's past tense, but it's a verb, not an adjective. If you say "the drink was poisoned", you mean that some time in the past, someone put poison in the drink. It was the act of poisoning that happened in the past, but the drink itself still has poison in it. A pawn is poisoned at the moment Tringov opted not to defend it. He was, in essence, putting poison in the pawn, hoping that Fischer would "drink" it on his move (which he did). It's grammatical as is.

@Trelmayas21 Жыл бұрын

You are right that technically it should be called a poisonous pawn, but momentum is a heck of a force with language, and poisoned pawn is the terminology that's been used forever.

@FizzLeeague Жыл бұрын

But with Antonio's following, this could be the place for a change to begin. I agree with Agad here. I'm gonna start calling it the poisonous pawn. Chess pieces are supposed to represent forces on a battlefield, so he's right that it shouldn't be poisoned really - one wouldn't poison ones own troops :D

@thekurdishtapes8317 Жыл бұрын

@@FizzLeeague poisoned als means "primed with poison" in order to poison someone

@FizzLeeague Жыл бұрын

@@thekurdishtapes8317 you're right, of course, but Agad is right to point out its ambiguity. I like linguistic precision (it's practically my kink 😂).

@rajanvenkatesh Жыл бұрын

Some alternatives: toxic pawn; infected pawn; trojan pawn

@pablofleitas5967 11 ай бұрын

And it was in this position at 3:06 that Agadmator got philosophical about the poisoned pawn, so we could all expand our vast knowledge, to share it at the bar and the library.

@silasmcintire8528 11 ай бұрын

in English we can use a past participle of a verb as an adjective so in this context poisoned and poisonous mean the same thing

@akelakela5524 Жыл бұрын

Antonio's humour is on another level😂❤

@arydias85 11 ай бұрын

Always cracks me up. Every time

@Gid-J Жыл бұрын

You are right about the poison semantics. I bet you could find out who made that reference originally

@Holdem17 Жыл бұрын

Fischer be like, "Havana, ooh na na."

@beandaddy24 Жыл бұрын

We can never get enough Bobby Fischer!

@CaptainsvLogs Жыл бұрын

I wish you had Bobby Fischer once a week at least

@sansamman4619 Жыл бұрын

I never thought of the poisoned pawn like that hahaha, I think poisoned for non living objects has the same meaning as poisonous. It is funny since in other languages instead of pawn they use soldier, and it makes sense that you would think of a pawn as a living thing

@jeremiahlyleseditor437 Жыл бұрын

The phrase poisoned is used in an odd fashion in that instance. In English it's used to indicate that the pawn, or any other object, has been imbued with poison and should be left alone. There is no poison in the pawn however in another metaphor the phrase indicates that there are dire events or circumstances that would occur if not left alone. Hence the use of the phrase.

@xreverse42 Жыл бұрын

Agadmator: "If the arbiter tells you something, just do it." Arbiter: "You should resign." Me: "........"

@Stop.Arguing Жыл бұрын

I think of a poisoned pawn the same way I think of a poisoned elixir. That is, a poisoned pawn is a pawn that's been poisoned with something in the same way a poisoned elixir is poisoned with something. But seeing as how pawns are real living things, I understand the misunderstanding. inb4 🤓

@agpaok0704 11 ай бұрын

Because I am Greek, I can easily separate poisonous and poisoned. Poisonous is δηλητηριώδες and poisoned is δηλητηριασμένο. For Greek speakers, the difference is very clear.

@jackdema8148 Ай бұрын

Brown vs Fischer is a great game! Fischer used the Alekhine defense!

@cmhiekses Жыл бұрын

Things that are “poisoned” were originally not poisonous but have become poisonous through the action of some agent. Dart Frogs are “poisonous” but someone’s drink in a murder mystery is “poisoned” (because someone made it become poisonous).

@liviuserenco1350 Жыл бұрын

Nice video! It took me some time to understand why 20. ... Nf6 was possible in the game. I guess if you play 21. exf6 you probably face Bxe6 that leads to many problems (bishop and rook hanging), and the same goes if they play 21.Bxf6. It's a bit tricky though :) and maybe their is an even better response to talking the knight that i dont see ... :D

@liviuserenco1350 Жыл бұрын

It's tricky because down the line Qxb7 attacking the rook is also possible because of Nf6 move :)

@olenmees9150 Жыл бұрын

poisoned sounds as exact as it gets - it shows intent (most likely in GM play at least) and subject activity (somebody has done the poisoning) term poisonous is very much a random phenomena

@robertvose7540 Жыл бұрын

You are correct about the pawn language being poisonous rather than poisoned.

@jonathancauley5345 11 ай бұрын

Fischer was not a force to be reckoned with lol, he was super strong!

@Lupinicus1664 Жыл бұрын

I was most active in competitve chess from the late 60s to the late 80s. Based on the fact that Fischer achieved such dominance before engines, imagine what level he might have reached with engines. Elo 3000?

@hectorg5809 11 ай бұрын

Fischer might have reached scary heights if he had computers to help him. However, be also might have become bored with the game and we would have been robbed of his brilliance. He said much later in life that he hated what chess had become and that's why he invented Fischer Random chess

@Lupinicus1664 11 ай бұрын

@@hectorg5809 Good point, trying to predict Fischer's actions was always tricky !

@kanjurer Жыл бұрын

havana uh na na

@bendonahoo8563 Жыл бұрын

You are correct about “poisonous” - I would guess that the term “poison pawn” is a variant of “poison pill,” which does not suffer from the same logical problem!

@MultiFirefox23 Жыл бұрын

Fischer was a materialistic player, especially in his peak years. He would grab a pawn or two and his opponent had to justify the sacrifice, which often times than not results in a win for Bobby.

@Peekul1 11 ай бұрын

I think you're right about poisonous as being more correct, but poisoned sounds more poetic.

@feistyalchemist3980 Жыл бұрын

It's like the nauseous vs nauseated. Almost everybody uses the first when they mean the second.

@mahimurtopu7254 Жыл бұрын

Almighty Bobby!

@DuderDudre Жыл бұрын

I feel you on thewhole poisoned pawn thing not working if you imagine the pawn as a little guy who has been poisoned. And especially if you imagine the queen eats it, it would definitely also make sense as a poisonous pawn. But "poisoned pawn" has a nice air to it so I imagine it's like the little dude's armor has poison tips or something

@KevinFitzMauriceEverett Жыл бұрын

Poisoned can mean that which it refers to as having had poison added to it. Poisoned meat, for example, is meat that has poison added to it. Therefore, it is correct in English to call it a poisoned pawn because tactical poison has been added to it.

@davidanderson_surrey_bc Жыл бұрын

Agadmator: Hmm.... is it "poisoned" pawn or "poisonous" pawn? Fischer: Either way, it tastes good to me.

@klausolekristiansen2960 Жыл бұрын

It is called testamentebonden in Danish. The last will pawn. Because, or so the story goes, a rich man once willed all his fortune to his son on the condition he never take a pawn on b2.

@crugy7 Жыл бұрын

In German it’s called "Bauernraubvariante" which means "Pawn robbery variation"

@ChristianHegele Жыл бұрын

It's a good point about "poisoned" vs. "poisonous". However, there is a sense of "poisoned" which is to say "having been laced with poison", as in a "poisoned dagger", etc. I guess the idea is that the player who offers up a "poisoned pawn" does so because they have prepared an unpleasant continuation.

@rickharold7884 Жыл бұрын

Always super juicy when there is a fisher game

@mizothinker Жыл бұрын

Great game

@liviuserenco1350 Жыл бұрын

Winning in 20 moves against a GM is crazy indeed :)

@ronin7645 Жыл бұрын

You're right. It should be poisonous. You made me laugh out loud man. That was funny.

@andrewcolin4729 Жыл бұрын

Love you showing and analyzing fischer games. Shame his mental issues cut short an amazing career.

@henrytoussant9385 Жыл бұрын

I think it makes sense to say something is poisonous if it is intrinsically poisonous by its nature. But poisoned seems to imply something was made to be poisonous, where it was not prior. So poisoned pawn does work.

@kurtamesbury6679 Жыл бұрын

Poisoned pawn refers to what was done to the pawn - it was made poisonous, as in "poisoned bait". Poisonous pawn would be what the pawn itself is.

@karimmoorad9649 Жыл бұрын

Im getting free English lessons from Agad. My man is a legend❤

@joenorsworthy Жыл бұрын

The pawn isn't innately poisonous. It has been "poisoned" as a trap by the player who set it up.

@michaelmassaro4375 Жыл бұрын

Well that is correct in analogy that is why it’s called poisoned not poisonous I agree

@drewtabke3294 Жыл бұрын

This is my favorite game in a while…

@donpapa77 Жыл бұрын

@agadmator In Greece as well! We eat the pawns!!

@LordFred69 11 ай бұрын

wow

@kapik4 11 ай бұрын

Why only your videos when i am turning phone zoom in somehow lmao

@craftycri Жыл бұрын

Where poisonous is grammatically correct, the etymology of "poison" in this context seems to come from Snow White and the famed "Poison Apple" and as such, it is a "poison Pawn", eat at your peril. Its usage in Chess would then be as an English Idiom, and is perfectly legit.

@MiiaaO Жыл бұрын

4:54 bishop and rook for bishop and rook..... and a pawn and poor position but

@kimcummings6904 4 ай бұрын

Exactly Sir. It is not a poisonous move.

@bagelmanb 11 ай бұрын

Why did it have to be Nc6 followed by Qc5, rather than Qc5 followed by Nc6?

@hkvamshi8754 Жыл бұрын

Ng4 move is very poison.😂

@jacoby-wan_kenobi Жыл бұрын

The pawn is poisoned in the sense like food is poisoned. If you eat it, or in the case of chess, capture it, you die/lose.

@junaydjaved6776 Жыл бұрын

Such a boss pfp of fischer 😎😎

@joeyhathaway8447 Жыл бұрын

Posted @ 77 Comments That is 𝒔𝒖𝒄𝒉 a great picture of Fischer.

@saliljoshee1957 Жыл бұрын

We should call it the pestilent pawn or the pernicious pawn

@jamesdelb6885 Жыл бұрын

I was looking at the near final position. Why not pxN? after pxN BxB, QxB and Nd4 forking Q and R, doesn't the game still go on?

@gooddognigel9992 Жыл бұрын

Fischer sat alone for hours in his hotel room in New York and played this tournament via teletype; it proved to be an arduous task for the American maverick

@ChessJourneywithMe 11 ай бұрын

Pawn is poisonous means its like a snake The snake doesn’t die from his own poison But if you don’t remove the his gland where he stores the poison you can ingest it and die You have to remove that Which means you have to see far ahead in that line what happens of you captured it. Only thing is the master knows how to deal with this And a amateur might die(loose) Because amateur in chess always grabs a pawn whenever he sees and a grandmaster plant it there to be grabbed by opponent and slowly die from bad position…

@vigneshmallya9597 Жыл бұрын

Ok agad. Lets call it venomous pawn😅

@maggomor2151 Жыл бұрын

Re: poisonous / poisoned: you do have a point, but the two emphasize different things. "Poisonous" only refers to the quality of the object that it kills people who ingest it or take it. "Poisoned" emphasizes more that the poison has been injected by someone, i.e. the player who offers the poisoned pawn. It emphasizes that this pawn is being offered as a seeming sacrifice but one is cautioned to take it because it's suggested that the player has poisoned the pawn - not that the pawn was in and of itself poisonous! Therein lies the difference.