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Its almost as if they want people to get a 3d printer and print their own armies.

I remember the time during the late 90s and early 00s when plastic kits actually made the games more affordable.

There is one big factor that GW seems to forget in their whale milking. those whales need someone to actually play against, if there is no one to fight, why the hell should they spend more on miniatures they will never be able to use? maaaaaaybe they are lucky and catch two whales in the same city, but even then, nobody wants to play against the same opponent every single time

"Don't Ask Questions, Just Consume Product and Then Get Excited for Next Products" This phrase feels like a mantra at this point.

The thing with this latest increase is that it won't stop me from finishing my Necron army, or getting some official Custodes because I love those models to death. But. Will I ever buy an army of official Ork models? No. Will I ever do Genestealers? No. Will I ever do Age of Sigmar beyond the Stormcasts I already bought? No. Will I ever do Votann even though their models have slowly won me over? No. Will my love of Vermintide lead me to buy a Skaven army when Old World comes out? No. I'm going to turn to 3D printing and 3rd party proxies for all of it because its clear getting everything I want will never be affordable. It breaks my hearts and I hope GW is controlled by less heartless people one day. But I'm not holding out any hope.

I had already made the decision to go one page rules and use proxy models for all of my WH40K stuff with the 6% increase. This just confirms I made the right decision. In fact I see a 3d printer in my future. Thanks GW!

The new daemon prince is a good example of this... went from 37.50USD with the old model to 80USD with the new one. That's a 100+% not 6%.

I remember being a 11 year old, wishing I was a adult so I could afford 40k models back in the late 90's. I'm a adult of 35 years now and I still can't afford a 40k army. Some things never change...

Already got myself three 3D printers so I wasn't too worried... though now I'm thinking I should start up an Etsy shop and selling some prints since GW clearly hates us and wants to push their customers away to other options. Not only does yet another price hike sting, but the new pre-orders being instantly sold out and FLGS getting reduced supply to sell is making me particularly angry.

When I got back into the hobby after a 20 year long hiatus I looked at what I knew first, GW. My favorit games had all been discontinued (Warhammer Fantasy, Gorak-Morka, Mordheim) but hey maybe the new stuff is fun. Then I looked at the prices and though "Well I'm taller than Discourse so I should be fine for some time". Before buying new stuff I watched some tutorials and reviews for the current 40k and AoS because I wanted to get back into the hobby to play games. Took less than an hour before I had orderd a 3D printer and was researching on indigames and alternative. With the quality of their games I'm not sure if their long term strategy is monetising whales. My theory is that they are worried about digitalisation and how sustainable an analog game will be in the future. When you don't belive in the longevity of your product the best course of action is to get everything you can as soon as you can. Not only does that ensure profits you might otherwise miss out on but your numbers are inflated making you look good to investors. Investors you might need to pivit your business model. They are already showing a lot of signs for this such as more agressive IP protection. I don't think they will kill the games as long as they make money but they will do everything they need to be prepared to abondon the physical games if they have to.

Thanks for mentioning the cadian box, everyone, EVERYONE seems to forget you got double the models

Love Black Site Studios. Postage to the U.K. can be a bit of a steep jump but I’d rather spend my money with a small independent game studio than GW. Hametsu looks fucking great by the way.

Glad GW is doing their best to make my small 3D printing business successful

This price increase has just made me want to really expand my collection ..... by ordering a 3D printer

Heartbreaking to see people pushed out of the hobby for no other reason than greed.

The price of guard heavy weapon teams ($84) in Australia is actual robbery, especially since the unit is only 55 points in game

GW has priced me out of their titles. And I'm middle aged with a stable day job, and the associated "disposable income". I just moved wholesale to OPR and Osprey Games rulesets, and other miniature manufacturers. Boutique miniatures my hairy bottom.

As Disney recently said of their park customers..."An unfavorable attendance mix." So many of our nerdy franchises have been taken over by these aggressive business models. It's time to accept that the passionate fan is not wanted here. Only whales, investors and collectors; not those who loved the community. All we can do is leave the party and support independent creators; fellow fans who love the hobby and want to share it with a passionate community.

Feels like GW is being run by Ferengi.

Just in time for the rumored range refresh to replace some of my 20 year old tyranid models. 🤦

All the more reason to support indie games!

I actually felt a little overwhelmed thinking about what you need to have to be able to run the full gamit of 40k right now, and want to be a good customer and get everything "legitimately": -core rulebook -army book per army (datacards per army not *required* but very, very incentivized due to the volume of army rules) -Easily over 50 models each to be able to play medium or higher games -Terrain -Boarding Action terrain -Ark of Omen 1 for BA rules -additional arks of omen books for whichever armies are not in arks of omen 1 -modeling tools -time to assemble (50+) models It's...a lot without considering costs. *Considering costs*, it's very prohibitive

It will be interesting to see how far GW can push it before the majority of the consumers says enough is enough and GW get hit so hard they are forced to lower the prices or go bankrupt.

One reason i only buy GW stuff 2nd hand now. I run a gaming club in a high school, and introduce the kids to anything other than GW. There are a lot more systems out there, just wish they got more coverage.

Jokes on you, I was already priced out!

I poured a glass of mediocre french red wine for the dark eldars. Don't know, it seemed fitting.

GW will announce 10th edition shortly after March 6 then the anger over the price rise will magically disappear. Mark my words.

I still enjoy 40K - I'm playing it with an older version of the rules, my old space marines, necrons, imperial guard and chaos figures and the old codexes. I seldom buy anything GW release anymore. If I want more figures I 3D print proxies and use those - its got to the stage now that many of the designs I'm picking up are better than GW's current stuff. And it works out a hell of a lot cheaper. Plus there's plenty of other great games out there. Bolt Action is amazing, the stuff is cheap and good quality so I tend to buy it rather than print it. Same with Flames of War - their starter sets are tremendous value - 35 quid (Wayland Games 20% off price) gets you two decent-sized armies in a box. I got 3 Hit the beach sets for just over 100 quid and that got me over 30 vehicles, a few hundred infantry and the rules and dice I needed to play. So why would I spend 100 quid with GW to get a box of 20 minis???

Man the price of a 3d printer is starting to look a lot cheaper.

This further convinced me that the rumor that GW are going to make the core rules for 10th ed. completely free is true. Then they can argue that this justifies the price increases since the barrier to entry is far lower when a new or casual player doesn't need to buy 100 books per year to keep up. This certainly fits with GW's self-description as a miniatures company, not a wargaming one.

My 11 year old son and I walked into the Warhammer store a week ago to try and build his first 1k army, and I couldn't afford one single thing. I felt like such an ass. We hung out, watched some of the table players who were going at it in the back. I have several squads that we bought used off of ebay, and I got him the starter set that comes with an intercessor squad and a necron squad so that him and I could play together, but I told him with the price of food and gas, we would just have to get one piece at a time off of ebay or proxy models from etsy. We also got our paint from the local art store instead of citadel paint. There are other companies to buy paint and brushes from. Think about the millions like me who they could be making money from, and not one single cent I spent went to them. I have an almost complete salamanders 1000pt army, a pretty big ork, techron, sisters of battle, and some random big guys, titans, and not one of them was bought new through games workshop. I just can't afford it. It is either that, or I don't play

Back in the late 90's I made a 2000 point tyranid army list. Hive tyrant, carnifex (screamer-killer at the time), 3 tyranid warriors (ranged weapons) and about 88 purestrain Genestealers. Guess how much? 50 quid. At the time you could buy a sprue for a pound from space hulk on mail order that had 4 Genestealers on it (and 2 terminators). Hive tyrant metal six quid carnifex metal 13 2 warriors box set plastic 8 bucket ton of the sprues as purestrain were just troops so no cap and they can rip through everything. one pound each.

Everyone can still absolutely play Warhammer. Grab the rules off of Wahapedia, use Battlescribe to make a list, and get 3D printed proxies to play with. People need to remember that this is literally just a game with rules that only the PLAYERS can enforce. It's not a literal LAW, folks! GW can't come to your house and kick over your living room table if you decide to play with proxies. They can't fly over to your LGS and break the windows if they decide to cater to people bringing in 3D printed armies.

I do not feel bad buying from recasters. Also to consider, Horus Heresy 1E, the fan rules for all the xenos races. There is literally nothing stopping us from making our own game at this point. We have the technology and enough people with the wherewithal to make something that's actually fun to play. They can't really stop us from doing it, either.

I don't play anymore, but I can reliably tell you that 2 box sets = 1 decent 3D resin printer. There are many, let us say, 'comparable' stl files out there to the minis.

I just brought 60 multipart Vikings here in New Zealand for NZ$100 (about 52 quid). Buying 60 plastic GW figures will cost me my firstborn.

This seems to be an increasingly common business model that many game producers are aspiring to in the age of rampant predatory capitalism. It's ridiculous. The only way to stop it is to hit them where the money is but if they are catering to their "addicts" they won't be able to stop until they're homeless and broke.

I remember looking at minis as a possible hobby years ago, and the Games Workshop prices chased me off. I assume it’s even worse now.

I feel strangely good about my pile of shame right now. I honestly think I'll just sit this out, paint and play casual games with the stuff I already have, and see where it all lands in probably several years when I run out of things to paint.

Better be careful discourse, with this type of passionate video youll start a revolution! 100% agree with everything youve said. GW hide behind world events to just add price increases when there is a cost of living crisis. That slimy business practice is something that seriously disgusts me. Ill be severely limiting/stopping my spending on GW products as they dont deserve my money. Keep up the good work. Loved your video as you are clearly passionate about the hobby as a whole and are as annoyed by it as the rest of us

As an Australian it’s just insane. I took your recommendation on 3rd party games and started collecting Star Wars legion in Dec and I’ve already bought and 3d printed and almost finished painting two 1000 pt armies at a fraction of games workshop. Harder and harder to justify anything GW from rules to model costs…

Apart from a few creature models and certain paints ( I hate having to mix ratios of paint and getting other brands is uncertain at times) I don't spend much at GW in a year ,I am getting some judge dredd minis ( I used to have the metal figures millennia ago) I want tanks rhinos etc I get 1/76-1/35 scale model kits for much less than GW versions 😁 and they look better but most of my hobby 💴 go to BANDAI as gunpla is fun to build pose play and paint for less than the cheapest model costs around a tenner and what at GW can you get for that?

...with all due respect, this has been going on for awhile (well before 2006...like, I remember visiting the GW Battle Bunker in Glen Burnie, MD in 2004 and asking about that as it had been a complaint that I had (and been hearing about) for far longer). I mean, the fact that GW hates its fans (especially the long-time players/customers) was meme-status at least as far back as 2000. I have also been hearing noise for quite some time about how GW is going to implode because their business model is going to eventually cause the whole deck of cards to collapse upon itself. It hasn't happened yet. ...and of course there's the advent of 3D Printing too. I recall hearing about how the advent of 3D printing would surely bring GW to heel on their crappy business practices...and yet here we are. GW is still king of the mountain, lording over a veritable monopoly for tabletop wargames. Make no mistake, I am *NOT* defending GW by any stretch of the imagination. I gave up on giving them money for miniatures and books well over 10 years ago and I would love nothing more than to see them collapse under their own weight, done in by their utter hubris and shitty business practices...but I've been hearing much of what you've been saying on this topic for longer than KZfaq has even been a thing...and I'm not sure it's going to happen at this point. Again, I'll be tickled pink about it, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Its a good thing there isnt a way to print miniatures at home for cheap

Discourse please include links for the studios you put on your Patreon so people can easily access their site

They really should start an experiment. Cut prices in halve and watch sales go up. Really happy to not be a customer anymore. I'm wasting my time and money on other companies. Hametsu sounds fun. Will have a look.

BattleTech. An "army" can just be four models sold for under $20. And you can use that army for any of the factions in most cases. BattleTech militaries don't junk the enemy kills. They fix them up and put them back on the front lines, so any mech can be in any army.

Kangaroos are scary enough without gloves

Sadly.....I can't disagree with you on this one. You are 100% correct. It's so annoying I'm thinking of doing a video to try to figure out the REAL cost of these figures. There's no way to justify these prices

That 6% rise in 2023 is only so far and it only February.

I played Orks which let me cheat the system quite a bit (I used hot rod kits to make awesome buggies, cheap tyranid models from ebay became squigs, and I even modified an old sailboat kit into a battlewagon) and no one cared because they looked cool. I had close to 10k points in orks but eventually even I got priced out of the game. When you're looking at 300 bucks just for rulebooks in yet another edition it's well past the time to throw in the towel.

You don't actually have to have official miniatures to play the game, except I guess in a tournament. Or even a 3D Printer, you could just make cardboard counters of the right size. Heck, I could probably make a version to play it myself on Vassal. They aren't any more needed than WotC.

I'm happy I bought in when the plastic Sisters came out, but I'm also happy that it is the only army I'm really interested in at this time. I do play some of the other GW games (AI, Blood Bowl)so I'd be interested in seeing what those price jumps look like. Gotta find that leaked price list.

Love the channel ! As an old guy ( 52 ) who works in a gaming store where we literally stock hundreds of thousands of dollars of GW product, I think one point often missed is this: MANY of the GW fans I see on a daily basis ( for decades) are PROUD of how much they spend on this stuff. It makes them feel superior to other gamers. Just like people who drive luxury cars or buy ridiculous $5000 hand bags. Complaining to GW about prices will get you just as far as complaining to Ferrari about theirs. As you rightly note in this video, GW DOES NOT CARE if you can’t afford it, and the people who CAN afford it LOVE that you can’t afford it, it’s what makes them feel special.

In their rage against 3D printing and unending greedeness, GW actually even pushing their loyal customers into arms wide open of an "friendly local any-model-U-need printer" Well, spank You gw very much, bull@&*ting ends here

Has anyone tried going to a 3D printing store to print their models? And if so, is it a cost effective way to get minis?

a 3D printer is more and more looking appeasing...

Having not long got into the hobby I'm already going to move away from GW. The cost, whether the models or endless cycle of rules it's just impossible to keep up with and afford

In the mid '90's, when I had a retail shop, the GW rep told me there would be a 5% increase of the wholesale prices. A blister pack of Eldar Dire Avengers went from $17.00 for 3 minis to $19.00 for 1 mini! So all the annoying things GW do are nothing ew! If you are that concerned about GW, just stop buying their products. The are plenty of other better companies out there!

You can also handcraft paper minis. Learning to draw is an added bonus.

Got to unite the community and we've got to push back like magic and d&d as it won't stop. GW have never ever lowered prices or sales

This has motivated me too playtest my miniature wargame and hire 3d modelers for my game

Now where I live, it costs about the same to buy Mortarion alone, as to buy a real decent 3d printer… Guess they made the choice even easier for me, thanks GW

This is another face of FOMO. In the price increase statement, they even say they're letting people know in advance of the increase so people have "time to take advantage of current prices." Sounds like a pretty transparent bid to increase short-term sales while increasing margins in the long term.

There are some amazing board games and kickstarters with great models. After 30 years of spending thousands of dollars I'm happy I stopped spending money on GW. Their business model reminds me of a casino - monetizing addiction, 'don't miss out', showing a ridiculous amount of models to make you feel like you don't have enough. Prizes are crazy for what you get. Love these videos.

Infinity is an awesome game. I recommend everyone give their code 1 a go. It's the simplified ruleset to make entry to the game easier. The models are all metal and absolutely fantastic.

Interesting thing may be that in Poland we get a lot cheaper everything from GW except Norway which gets a bit cheaper than us. For example Adepta Soroitas Comat Patrol box costs PLN 450(PL) and after converting PLN to other currencies it looks like that: $150(USD)=665 3rd $230(AUS)=713 2nd $180(CAN)=599 5th €120(EU)=572 7th £90(UK)=487 8th kr990(NOR)=436 11th kr1080(SWE)=464 9th kr900(DEN)=576 6th ¥20000(JPN)=660 4th $280(NZD)=787 1st So there are big differences and that's by GW page pricing. AFAIK in Poland(at least) for independent retailers/FLGS price is page number cut in half + VAT which now is for toys(at having children friendly level) 23% so absolutely lowest possibile price for that box would be 277PLN($63USD) and lowest I found online is currently 339PLN($77USD) so we can buy for HALF of GW Stara and other countries counted in $USD. Very good considering international comparison by GW standard, but by other manufacturers they suck, boxes of PerryMiniatures are for 135PLN($31USD), FireForge boxes are for 125PLN($28,5USD)

Well I thought I wanted to pick up warhammer but I don't have time to work 3 jobs.

Been there for about ten years. This game much like Magic the Gathering will be up to the community/secondary market for the forseeable future.

Oh look, another refrain for the song I've been singing for 30+ years. The second-hand market is the way to go to get GW minis.

A bad news for those wishing to buy things, but nothing that GW hasn't done before. As long as players protest but just some of them stop buying stuff, GW may well be encouraged to continue their practice. It would take something as the total stop of purchases for 3 or more months to make GW understand the message, but that won't likely happen.

Keep up the great job looking out for us. Take care 😎🤘🍻

Love the passion. Finally a topic to bring the spark. GW whaling is nothing new. Been around since the 90's and it's the same thing all over again. The better GW fares the tighter the noose gets for customers. Sad truth. Fortunately in the age of our gods and saviors 3d printers, the hobby is much more accessible than ever. In Poland, where I am from, you go to a large event and anything between 50% to 70% of players have 3d printed miniatures. This is true especially for high end players, veterans and top players across the board that tend to switch between the armies. It is a huge shift in spending that used to go towards GW new releases. There is hope.

And here I thought their level of hatred for me couldn’t get any worse. They clearly do not want my money.

Thanks for the tripple Austalia shout out, but don't worry we'll be OK down here. Most of us are too busy painting mountains of printed minis to notice this price rise anyway :)

My lgs owner was fuming about this. Considering he only got one new box set to sell

love your energy in this vid. the passion really shows. keep up the great work!

Discourse i really love your honesty and your talent to tipp the winger on a sensitive spot where others dont dare to say anything at all. Its also very good, that you compare this company with the gaming industry for Video Games, where the Microtransactions and exploiting of casual players until they discover their whales.... is a "normal" thing and all the other gamers can go to hell. The actual president of GW said it very clear, that he would go for profits and profits only... thats where i stopped building up my own painint, sculpting and moddeling channel here on youtube, I am going to change it from representing 1 company to all other companies, showing people the opportunities they have, so they are not longer dependend on this company causing so much trouble, raising prices like there is no end to it. God i so hate it when white knights storm in and say this is justified... its greed. pure greed. China Plastic sold to prices of the 3th and 4rth of the tinprices. ... please carry on like this Discord, i love your content and your passion to tell the truth and wake people up. You are doing a great job. Wish you all the best for the years to come!! Never surrender. Never give up.

Where do I find a list of price rises?

Only been playing, building, painting for a month or so... With that being said.. this is much cheaper than my MTG hobby was. I'm also not playing competitive, only local open play. A single one of my commander decks are over 1k$. Ive collected about ten decks over the course of 20 years (Ive played MTG since 90s). As with all things competitive play costs a lot of money as it is essentially gambling. Thanks for your hilarious videos, they have a nice flavour to them 🎉.

Please, share more positive stuff from great publisher or/and new potential great game, you'r realy good at those stuff too ! 😁

I have heard the 'end is nigh' many a time. I am interested to see what happens now, I got enough plastic crack to see what is happening. FLGS are screwed though.

"What are you going to do, play Wild West Exodus?!" chad_yes_meme.jpg

I know that this is bad, but are you overreacting a little? Or is it just YT video style?

GW: (looks at the bonfire that is WotC's fiasco) "Hold my pint, mate. I'm going in."

I’m genuinely astounded that you manage to maintain such a high level of outrage over so many months, it must be exhausting! But you putting the effort saves the rest of us having to do so, so I can just give a disbelieving grunt about the gullibility of all those who will go and pay all these new prices, then go back to all my non-GW games.

Just buy 3d printed stuff. "But my tournaments!" Run a tournament without games workshop officiality "but my games workshop store" Let it go, my dude.

Having played and collected both 40k and Magic the Gathering, it's a scary thought that Magic was a substantially cheaper game if you wanted to play the current stuff. What's more the old stuff for Magic is still worth something -- some 30-year-old cards go for a small fortune. While you can still break even on 40k models from 30 years ago, it's a lot more work. As a former collector of both, I find it amusing that Hasbro/WotC is getting its comeuppance doing things that GW has done for the past 25+ years.

It feels like they know 3D printing is inevitable so they are just squeezing as much as they can out of their customers before the bubble bursts.

As an Australian, thanks for thinking about us. Personally at the start of the dreaded lock down, I stocked up on box sets. But gave up on getting anything else soon after. And I’ve been looking into other miniature companies for better alternatives.

Funny how their costs went up after they fired all their warehouse staff. The sheer bullshittery from GW knows no bounds

Just when the new seraphon models had mee considering, the price hike reminded mei was right to leave them behind

It's probably because of the inflation hitting the UK and other Brexit issues making materials more expensive to ship to/from the UK and GW's production being soley based in the UK. If they outsourced the production to China or SE Asia maybe they could lower the price.

The 3d printing question is an interesting one, because when one considers how whales buy, in part, in order to impress their fellow players, it means that there will always be a share who reject printed models as inferior or counterfeit when compared with official GW products. I wonder how much that is what GW is ultimately resting their strategy on, since as you say, they're increasingly incentivizing highly-invested players to opt out of their products and produce on their own anyway?

Then insane part is that these models RnD costs have been paid for a long time go. They've already made that money back thousands of times over. They should be dropping their prices on models and increasing prices elsewhere within there line up. They are increasing their prices not to get faster updates or better/faster balancing changes. Hell, they could even go full online rules and just increase the models in response, but they aren't even trying to improve the game with the extra money. They only want to line their pockets from people who will buy it anyway.

I looked up Hametsu but my group is six people. We normally play Zombicide Black Plague, did anyone have suggestions for a six player coop game? Also thank heavens I have access to a 3D printer. I wanted to start Horus Heresy but hate the price. Thank you STL creators.

I'm new and lurking about, thinking about starting 40K however if I ever take the plunge it will be via STL and proxies. 1 printer is so much cheaper than a 2k army it seems daft not to.

There also well into the microsoft we did a new edition get your new codex that we already sold you but we changed three rules, totally different now, buy this or you can't play. I personally think it'll go more old hammer were can use less models, amd got companies like Wargames Atlantic, Space Nam, Kromlech, Mantic, Warlord games can get looks close enough for troops, vehicles and you may even prefer the rules...

I already wasn't willing to pay their prices. Before the increase, it was about the equivilent if $15-$20USD per basic miniture in kit( ie per marine). Boarding actions box was about $450USD, because of price gouging and made up exchange rates highrer than they actually are.