Yeah exactly, hope very many go born-again. Are you born-again?

Well because all parts of the trinity are one in the same although in different forms, i think you can say that by sacrificing his son, God sacrificed himself also? Just a thought though. the trinity isn't easy to understand i agree.

querinnalove yeah I think the trinity adds to the validity of God. Because these "bronze aged men" were writing about something that they could not fully comprehend but they wrote it down anyway because this is what was being said. Plus usually the Muslims argue that Jesus wasnt God because they say what kind of God is he if he can be comprehended by man? but then you mention the trinity and they say it makes no sense because they cant comprehend it hahah. So yeah I think the trinity is difficult for humans to understand because we have to accept that if he is a supernatural God then he is capable of things that our limited and restricted knowledge can not comprehend

Murri16 Perfectly said. couldn't have said it better. We just can't fit God into our limited knowledge. Although we try our best. :)

I'm Christian and no we won't be held to account for not believing in the Trinity, The concept and the origins of this idea come from man. probably one of the earliest references to the Trinity was the Nicene Creed. This belief was more of a political decision to unite Christians under one system, Catholicism. The Trinity concept could have it's roots in other beliefs such as paganism, but that us debatable. What isn't debatable is the fact that in no time through out the New testament are we commanded or prompted to even acknowladge the concept of the Trinity. If this was important to God, Jesus himself would have made it a very a specific command. So the debate and the comprehension of such an Idea isn't really worth the time, because it neither ads to your relationship with God or brings factual understanding on a human level. Jesus summed it up in a nutshell, with to Basic commands, "Do unto others as yourself" and "Love the Lord God with all your Heart, Body, Soul and mind" everything else if not put in the right place becomes a stumbling block. Hopefully that helps.

***** Blessings, I'm not here to argue. I think you need to look at the arguments for and against the trinity being biblical. If your basing it solely on the fact that there is The father the Son and Holy spirit then I think your only looking at this from the surface. You need to read the bible thoroughly and compare both arguments and see which is more grounded on Gods word. Too many people just believe what is the general consensus of among preachers or congregations without doing the actual research themselves. Like people joining any pentecostal denomination but not knowing the origins of that particular belief system, eg. Baptists first known Originator was man named John Smyth who started the movement, he later renounced his own belief system and became a Mennonite. So why are people still following that movement despite the originator renouncing it? You'd be unwise not to at least check if things are biblical let alone check the historicity of church beliefs or movements. As I said above this matter is a matter of man, The Trinity is never acknowledged specifically in the Bible by the apostles or Jesus. Meaning you aren't condemned to Hell for not believing it. God Bless, I hope you get time to research these things yourself and not just take the word of man.

+Sam Levin "Objective moral values are moral values that are true independent of the belief of human beings."

Agapey can you give me an example of an objective moral value and then prove it?

Sam Levin Is raping a small child wrong? even if a new dictator appeared and ruled the world and said everyone should rape their children wouldn't it still be wrong? Subjective morality would say, that at that point raping children is right. If you believe Nihilism is true then you have to accept raping children is right if society say's is right. I will appeal to your intellect at this point and ask, if a child is kidnapped from their family taken to a room where he is tortured raped and ultimately killed, would you consider that to be absolutely wrong? Even if society and culture and people in power said it was okay? I would say that it is an objective moral to say that it will always be wrong to take a child and do that to him. If you say subjective morality is true then doing that to a child is not absolutely wrong.

+Agapey *Is raping a small child wrong?* Is NOT abusing children "right?" How do you know? Prove it.

***** Beating up a baby is never good? Says who?