Honest Reviews of 10 Classic Jazz Reviews from a Non-Fan

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Robert Fithen

Robert Fithen

7 ай бұрын

I am not a jazz fan and have been attempting to grasp this music for decades. Here, I give an honest review of 10 classic jazz albums and also give my opinion of the definition of jazz.

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@drummchimp
@drummchimp 7 ай бұрын
'Fithen vs. Jazz' should be a regular segment. love it.
@notes-tones
@notes-tones 7 ай бұрын
I'm a hardcore Jazz fan. I found your video to be funny and on point in many aspects. There is a certain percentage of KZfaqrs regardless of genre who "get off" on belittling others on their "lack of knowledge".
@ernietarling5829
@ernietarling5829 7 ай бұрын
Robert, I know where you're coming from ; there's a lot of pretension with new vinyl collectors playing Coltrane etc, and anything that they've read is supposed to be cool. However, some of us older blokes remember what a huge impression 'Time Out', and in particular ''Take Five 'made on us when it was released in 1960, with its unusual time signatures. Joe Morello, the drummer on that record is one of the finest . Also, the Getz/Gilberto record brought to the world Brazilian rhythms and introduced Antonio Carlos Jobim to the world. Combined with the best American tenor sax jazz player, ie Stan Getz, it was album of the year. Joao Gilberto's guitar and straight-ahead singing was also a great feature. Even his wife , Astrid who sang on it because she could speak English was a brand new sound. The Bossa Nova was the last big bang before the Beatles hit. Give it another play, mate!🙂.
@joevazquez4653
@joevazquez4653 7 ай бұрын
Yes, when one grew up in a certain era we tend to be influenced by the music of that time… yet as time goes on music morphs to new dimensions or sub genres. Rock is my all time type music genre, but I do appreciate some type of jazz mostly driven by piano, or guitar… Love music! Keeps me sane… thank you for you insightfulness guys!
@Bolshybwoy
@Bolshybwoy 15 күн бұрын
Incredible to think this metal head isnt able to appreciate the drumming on Time Out.... and has a youtube channel.
@Dagger-Deep
@Dagger-Deep 7 ай бұрын
I absolutely love jazz music, especially fusion. How you feel about jazz is how I feel about Kiss.
@TheHSIHP
@TheHSIHP 7 ай бұрын
This is the perfect comment. Haha. Ditto!!
@MickSupper
@MickSupper 7 ай бұрын
AMEN!
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
I feel nostalgic about Kiss because I first heard them when I was seven.
@stubbsz
@stubbsz 7 ай бұрын
I think you like Kiss more than I do then :D
@jessesmith555
@jessesmith555 7 ай бұрын
​@RobertFithen your nostalgia for Kiss is probably the same as my nostalgia for Motley Crue. I was probably 6 or 7 when I first heard them.
@Strimbles
@Strimbles 7 ай бұрын
Oh man, I love ya buddy but imho you are way off on this one! That's cool you don't like jazz, but there's some incredible music on those records!
@80085word69
@80085word69 7 ай бұрын
"This is Ascension, cool title wonder what that sounds like" Oh boy...
@timriley7711
@timriley7711 7 ай бұрын
Love your videos. This one made me laugh out loud. Keep up the good work fella.
@sidesup8286
@sidesup8286 7 ай бұрын
Following your lead, I am going to review all the Vincent Van Gogh paintings. "They all look like something a kid could have done."
@renr17
@renr17 7 ай бұрын
I wasn't into jazz most of my life. 2 years ago I listened to Keith Jarrett and Return to Forever albums and it just clicked so perfectly. It's an outstanding genre that I ignored for years.
@floydnut5908
@floydnut5908 7 ай бұрын
I think for a lot of a lot of people (especially rock fans) fusion is one of the key ways people discover jazz. Its kind of a bridge between jazz and rock so it puts people less out of their comfort zone
@matts9064
@matts9064 7 ай бұрын
As a jazz lover (as well as rock etc) I loved this video. The great thing is that there is enough music out there to get everybody off. Your honesty is both entertaining and appreciated! Love your channel!!!
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@TheHSIHP
@TheHSIHP 7 ай бұрын
I got into jazz in 2009. Now i love the genre and I love collecting jazz records.. FYI, I grew up with metal in the 80's. I love rock, indie, country (the good kind), Americana, blues, afrobeat, reggae, funk, and more. Diversity in music keeps it interesting for me.
@Nick-qf7vt
@Nick-qf7vt 7 ай бұрын
Agreed. I'm a metalhead through and through but my recent record store trip saw me get Booker T and the MGs, John Lee Hooker, RL Burnside, and eyeing up a Marvin Gaye album.
@tokyorecordstyle
@tokyorecordstyle 7 ай бұрын
“Maybe your sex has safe words? NIN?” - Hilarious
@jc-mt8ot
@jc-mt8ot 7 ай бұрын
lol...i really want your next video to be you reading the script /overdubbing Charlie Brown Christmas and doing all the peanuts characters voices.
@jamesgriffithsmusic
@jamesgriffithsmusic 7 ай бұрын
Very interesting video Robert. I had a kind of mad intro to the world of jazz when I was accidentally employed by a major newspaper in the UK as a jazz critic (long story) despite really not knowing much about it at all (although I did have a 45 of 'Take 5' as a kid which I loved). Faced with the choice of either finding some angle on it and trying to appreciate it on its own terms in order to write about it, or staying stuck in the desk job I hated, I went for the first option and kind of 'wrote my way into' liking it. It sounds non-sensical but it did work, and I wasn't just being a pretentious opportunist. I would say that the best way to 'get' jazz is to hear it live - there's a visual and kinetic dimension to actually seeing these musicians doing what they do, which is completely lacking when you just spin the record. To this day though, jazz to me is still touch-and-go - sometimes I get bored with listening to song-based music so get heavily into jazz, but then I can happily go for literally years without hearing a note of it. It's totally fascinating that you responded well to Ornette Coleman.
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
I've seen it live, but I think it was bad groups. I need to see some real jazz live.
@jamesgriffithsmusic
@jamesgriffithsmusic 7 ай бұрын
Have a listen to that copy of Ascension by Coltrane if you get chance - it's even madder than Ornette. Also check out Miles Smiles as an antitode to Kind of Blue. That second quintet he had churned things up a lot more and it's definitely not finger-clickin' background music.There's a track on there called 'Agitation' which sums up the record and their sound in a few short minutes. As you don't like trumpet you probably won't like it anyway, but it's worth a listen. Also, 'In A Silent Way' is an interesting one as it was put together more like a rock record, with segments of the performances edited together and collaged by the producer rather than happening in real time like most jazz does.
@jasperburchfield2028
@jasperburchfield2028 7 ай бұрын
Not bad for a guy who doesn't like jazz. I'm not a jazz expert, but listen to the jazz station in my car because I find it to be relaxing. I think Mingus was the bandleader and that's why the album has his name on it. (That was a common practice in the old days.)
@ednicholson7839
@ednicholson7839 4 ай бұрын
Not just the bandleader, he composed most of the music and was also the bass player -- and sometimes the piano player.
@user-dj3gq3ro4z
@user-dj3gq3ro4z 7 ай бұрын
You are focusing on commercial-mainstream Jazz here, which is similar to pop/rock music, the gems are usually less well known! Jazz is the zenith of music, but you need to see the masters of the genre live to experience it fully. It might be this is not your 'fate'!
@trondam
@trondam 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for your video 😃🎸🎺🎷👍. I used to hate jazz and have always done so, but for about 3 years ago I bought a couple of jazz records and now own over 320 records with all kind of jazz. I just love it now, even free jazz is growing on me. I would never have guessed that some years ago. PS. I love horns and funky jazz😎
@asaprabbit8305
@asaprabbit8305 7 ай бұрын
Same story for me man
@parecordguy
@parecordguy 7 ай бұрын
You’ve always been the realest in the community. Agreed that it seems a lot of people act like they like jazz just to like jazz. But great vid. Unfiltered and honest how this part of KZfaq should be
@artemisclencher673
@artemisclencher673 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for this mate. I like your videos. Honest reviews and you know what you are talking about
@MarsNova
@MarsNova 7 ай бұрын
Being that you’re not a jazz fan, it’s hilariously cool that you took to “Science Fiction,” of all things. Love that record. Glad you got something out of it.
@paulaidenmusic
@paulaidenmusic 7 ай бұрын
Super entertaining! Love the channel!
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@PhilBaird1
@PhilBaird1 4 ай бұрын
Just watching this now Robert and was interested in your comment about jazz reminding you of a soundtrack. I think that was one of the things that first attracted me to jazz; the way it could paint a mood and atmosphere, and create images in sound. That's what my ear was picking up watching old film noir movies, cop thrillers etc. Then when I started buying jazz records, the music would stand alone and it became its own 'language'. Film imagery opened the door, but once I stepped through it was an independent listening world. Great video as usual. Many thanks.
@jayboy60
@jayboy60 6 ай бұрын
With this video, your legend visibly grows. Bravo!
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Definitely my first jazz video.
@steverogers2635
@steverogers2635 7 ай бұрын
I'm a big jazz fan and I totally lost it when Art Blakey started singing Ted Nugent's Free For All.🤣😂🤣 P.S. I didn't know "Kinda Blue" was supposed to be the greatest jazz album of all time. It did sell the most copies though. I can relate to the way you feel about jazz. I feel the same way about death metal and rap music.
@anxietymanTV
@anxietymanTV 2 ай бұрын
I enjoy jazz. I have take 5. And the out-takes album too. I find jazz soothing. You had some great albums there. It was jazz that prompted me to buy vinyl again. Thank you for the video.
@mattlupu152
@mattlupu152 7 ай бұрын
I don't have the foggiest idea of the meaning of any jazz song, but I enjoy the sound and different moods. I understand people not liking the genre because I was that way for a long time, then one day it just clicked for me.
@davepounds8924
@davepounds8924 7 ай бұрын
Good review of those jazz albums from a non jazz fan!!! 10 points for at least trying!!!!
@bassvibasics479
@bassvibasics479 7 ай бұрын
I love me some jazz, but I completely get what you're saying about the vast majority of these albums. Love you and your forthright stance.
@kieronkelly959
@kieronkelly959 7 ай бұрын
Great honest review. Elevator music gone wrong is my take on jazz.
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
Much of it seems very incidental.
@ednicholson7839
@ednicholson7839 4 ай бұрын
Jazz isn't just about improvisation. Classical musicians used to improvise -- we just weren't around to hear it and they had nothing to record their improvisations with. But improvisation is a characteristic to the majority of jazz. Jazz is also unique from most other musical styles/genres (at least it was up until around the mid to late 1960s) because the harmonies, rhythms and instrumentation are different from most everything else. In jazz, if there are horns -- and for many years there usually were -- they are out front. And jazz musicians came up with the drum kit (rock stole the drum kit from jazz). And, like folk and country music, jazz removed the bow from the bass (with rare exceptions). One way to think about the difference between jazz and rock (or jazz and soul or R&B) is that rock moved the guitar, bass, keys out front and the horns went in the back. There are a lot of other differences too. But a lot of my favorite jazz has no horns. Robert might like some of it too -- like the piano and guitar albums of Bill Evans and Jim Hall, just to name one example (though it might be too tame for him) -- or the fusion albums of the 70s. The main thing though is that not all jazz fans like all these "classic" albums just like not all rock fans like Sgt. Peppers, Kiss Alive or The Velvet Underground and Nico. It's silly to label jazz fans as pretentious simply because you don't like what they like -- especially because there is probably as much variety within jazz as there is within anything else. Of course some jazz fans can be pretentious -- but not any more pretentious than many indie rock fans who drone on about Dinosaur Jr or shoegaze or Tool -- or prog fans who think Dream Theater is any good. I don't really like A Love Supreme, and I really dislike most jazz fusion (though not all of it), but I don't label those who do as pretentious (unless they really are acting pretentious). Some jazz fans might label Robert for being pretentious and trying to seem sophisticated for liking Ornette Coleman over Thelonious Monk. They'd be wrong -- maybe even as wrong as Robert is for hating Dave Brubeck :)
@jeffjeezy7170
@jeffjeezy7170 7 ай бұрын
😂 This was very funny, great video
@SH-ud8wd
@SH-ud8wd 5 ай бұрын
As a Rockmusic fan I found three Jazz records that really impressed me: John Coltrane - A Love Supreme Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain Jasper van t'Hof - pili pili "Jazz is not dead. It only smells a bit strange" (Frank Zappa).
@johnfronczek2658
@johnfronczek2658 7 ай бұрын
Jazz is all about improvisation. It is all about a style of performance. I first heard jazz in junior high school and I liked it. However, people should not be judged by their musical tastes and everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
@pgh45rpms
@pgh45rpms 7 ай бұрын
My musical taste goes all over the spectrum, including jazz. "Time Out" is a great place to start. "Blue Rondo a la Turk" is based on Turkish rhythm patterns. It is written in a 9/8 time signature in this pattern -- 2 beats, 2 beats, 2 beats 3 beats; then later a measure of 3 beats, 3 beats, 3 beats. Listen to Dave's piano for this pattern. If you're a musician it's a great challenge to play..
@asaprabbit8305
@asaprabbit8305 7 ай бұрын
I just got into jazz last year, pretty much hated it toll.then.... it's been growing on me. Great video as usual fithen
@miffelplix
@miffelplix 7 ай бұрын
I'm a writer, and there are a number of obscure, recondite, quirky, commercially unpopular writers I love that few other people do. I love these writers because they inspire my own writing, and because they are working through problems I myself am working through. I always thought many jazz fans loved jazz for the same reason I love those writers.
@Frip36
@Frip36 7 ай бұрын
All the writing problems have been worked through already. So there's nothing you should be struggling with at this point. But, yeah. Keep struggling. That way you get to be recondite forever.
@garygomesvedicastrology
@garygomesvedicastrology 5 ай бұрын
Isn't vinyl collection a kind of snobbery, too, though? Around 1993 I sold my entire vinyl collection. About 20 years ago I started acquiring recordings again, and the only ones I buy on vinyl are the ones I can't get on CD. I am mystified by the vinyl phenomenon.
@danijelsan81
@danijelsan81 7 ай бұрын
I always chuckle when we judge those whose judgement we feel. 😁 Regardless, I saw the humor in this. I’m a jazz lover but often omit that in conversations about music I have with others precisely because so many people assume that someone who’s into jazz is trying to appear ‘sophisticated.’ I don’t think that’s ‘fair’ either. Let’s remember that this music was created by folks whose parents or grandparents worked on plantations. Jazz was anything but elitist. I myself have a very humble background and certainly did not grow up with a silver spoon up my ass, and yet I fell in love with jazz music many years ago. Jazz is acquired taste. It requires a bit of work. Great sense of humor. Rock on!
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
Well, I said it wasn't all people who say they like jazz. I know a few people who I assume have a real appreciation for the music. I also think I have a pretty good BS detector. I inherited it from my mother.
@Polaroid_City_MikeD313
@Polaroid_City_MikeD313 7 ай бұрын
Great comment. It's easy to conjure bias against what we do not know, I think Mr. Flithen knows he does not now and I caught some subtle satire, but some of these other comments are borderline pathological. I have been collecting records for 35 years, jazz for 30 and I have never given a thought to what others may think of my collecting. I can't speak for everyone, but all the collectors I know and have met over the years feel the same. Now there is judgement and division within the community, especially with subgenres like Free Jazz, Fusion or Vocalists, but that's another discussion.
@bluespiritrecords1709
@bluespiritrecords1709 7 ай бұрын
As a real jazz fan, very fair assessment. I basically say there's two types of jazz fans: the ones that love other genres that don't sound at all like it, i.e. metal or industrial or something, and then there's the jazz fans whose favorite non-jazz artist is Steely Dan.
@robertmorgan9205
@robertmorgan9205 7 ай бұрын
My introduction to Miles Davis was through buying the CD of Live Evil (which I love) so his earlier albums tend to sound a bit ‘pedestrian’ to me. I’m more into the likes of Bitches Brew, On The Corner, Jack Johnson etc but then, like later Herbie Hancock, it’s more jazz-rock, jazz-fusion… jazz-whatever but I just know l like it, then I’ve always liked a bit more experimental music such as Krautrock.
@Frip36
@Frip36 7 ай бұрын
Cool man.
@daveandreahoward8203
@daveandreahoward8203 7 ай бұрын
Sonny Rollins is a good gateway drug
@mattharwood4413
@mattharwood4413 7 ай бұрын
I agree with a lot of the comments here. I loved the Brubeck rant...and yeah, I'm a long-time Jazz fan. I laughed outload to a lot of this. Though I wouldn't dismiss people's tastes as phony just because it's not your taste. Jazz is like coconut. You either love it or you hate it. No in between.
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
I didn't say all jazz are like that, but you must admit, there are some that are.
@coffeecigarettes9422
@coffeecigarettes9422 5 ай бұрын
When I was a teenager Rock Music was a big deal for me like it was for many others. However my personal most important element of a good song was a good solo, in Rock Music usually played on guitar. So with no surprise I came easily into Fusion Rock (you can call it also Fusion Jazz, just a matter of your point of view) and I listened to great guitar players like Frank Zappa, John McLaughlin, Steve Morse (his band Dixie Dregs played rock music with some jazz elements), Lowell George (Little Feat is sometimes pretty jazzy, too), Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius (bass guitar) and so on. After listening to them over and over again with great enthusiasm it was just a matter of time and I was ready for Bebop or Cool Jazz with solos played on other instruments. Today I love them all from Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin to John Coltrane and Miles Davis although I can stand music without a solo, too meanwhile :) So I assume if the guitar solo in between a rock song is less interesting or even annoying to you then it will be almost impossible for you to get into Jazz and in fact there is no reason for it at all.
@breaknrun76
@breaknrun76 7 ай бұрын
I’d recommend 2 albums that are a bit more exciting : Herbie Hancocks “ Headhunters”……more of a funk vibe to that album that is quite different from the others in this video. Also, the Miles Davis album you need to check out is “ Tribute to Jack Johnson”…..very prominent guitar throughout that one. And if you don’t like those 2 then there is no hope!
@matbasterson520
@matbasterson520 7 ай бұрын
I'm fairly new to jazz, in the last 10 years or so. What really got me into it was a documentary called "1959, the year that changed jazz". Featured four albums, Time out, Kind of Blue, Ah Um and The shape of jazz to come (Ornette Coleman is unlistenable to me though) I became fascinated with that period, 1955-1962. I now have about 150 records from that period. I'm particularly fond of jazz guitar, Grant Green, Kenny Burrel, Wes Montgomery, etc. Thanks for another great video!
@tomasandrew9354
@tomasandrew9354 7 ай бұрын
Hilarious video. Love the honesty. I’ve been listening to jazz since I was thirteen (I’m 49) because I started guitar and music lessons back then, and jazz and rock and metal were what got into picking up the instrument. I’m a “guncle” as well (not one of the Vinyl Community Guncle guys, though!), not that it matters, lol. In my opinion, I think your definition of jazz is accurate: improvised music. Even if composed pieces do exist, for the most part it’s about improvisation and the interaction between players. The other aspects of jazz are harmonization / reharmonization of the music, the use of extended chords, and emphasis on rhythm/syncopation. Not in that order necessarily. Sorry if that sounds a bit technical or snobbish, I don’t mean to, just trying to add to the definition that is basic and elemental and concrete without going into a rabbit hole!! People like what they like, and if something doesn’t click with the person, then it is what it is. Music should be enjoyed, not a chore. Some people truly enjoy jazz and others don’t! More “emperor’s new clothes” videos like this 👍👍 And, yes, Ornette Coleman rocks 😁
@fredthomson2384
@fredthomson2384 5 ай бұрын
I love how funny your reviews are. I can imagine you walking into the Sistine Chapel and saying “ Why didn’t they use wallpaper, it would have been just as good “
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 5 ай бұрын
"It's a little Jesus-y in here".
@kingofallmediums2123
@kingofallmediums2123 5 ай бұрын
Never been a Jazz fan, but I do admit the music has a great influence on rock.
@johnpyle1022
@johnpyle1022 5 ай бұрын
Great video, I started getting into jazz, as in buying records for my collection, about a year ago, I have maybe 20 records now, Miles, Coltrane, Monk, a few others. I enjoy them late at night, alone, wee dram in hand, or Sunday morning when frying eggs. But I ain't no jazz fan (yet) in all honesty. Long live The Stones!!!
@Universityofvinyl
@Universityofvinyl 7 ай бұрын
Robert….Love this one! 👍🏻👍🏻
@ShamrocknRecords
@ShamrocknRecords 7 ай бұрын
I couldn’t agree more about the KZfaq channels that have turned into jazz people over the last few years. I’ve stopped watching so many channels and have unsubscribed to so many people because I also hate the phoniness. A few years ago everyone started showing psychedelic records thinking that they were cool. It pissed me off to no end. I like the channels that have their own voice and their own passion and love. I own some of those jazz records that you just showed and I agree with you. I am not a fan of most jazz. I don’t get it either. But I can sell them off and buy what I want because now is the time to cash in on jazz while it’s the “trendy” thing. I wonder what the next cool record trend will be? Thanks for the video! Cheers, Brian☘️
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
My money is on classical. Even though I have actually enjoyed a lot of classical music over the years, I'm betting that's what the next trend will be.
@Polaroid_City_MikeD313
@Polaroid_City_MikeD313 7 ай бұрын
As a 30+ year collector of Jazz, I noticed a huge shift when the Tone Poet series began. It's easily available, shiny and has status symbol vibes, now every major label seems to be doing a "high quality" consumer friendly jazz series. People showing their $200 Amazon haul is hardly what I call collecting, nor does it make for an interesting video.
@billorgeron4170
@billorgeron4170 7 ай бұрын
Great video!! 😂 I almost climaxed to Getz Gilberto once but used my safe word "pomegranate"
@garyscarpulla100
@garyscarpulla100 7 ай бұрын
Youre the best Robert, very entertaining video. Try Ornette's Free Jazz, A Collection Imorovisation. Its insanity, two quartets, one on the left channel, one right channel playing two different things only briefly touching on pre-composed passages. Keep 'em coming!
@vinylcrow3789
@vinylcrow3789 7 ай бұрын
Great honest review of some Jazz albums, and how some people seem to be faking being fans. Only Jazz I got on vinyl is some Miles Davis, and what would be in a noir detective film. I did listen to stuff some people recommend, but rock and metal is what I love. Only time Jazz fans hate what I say, is when I say audiophile labels are focusing WAY too much on those titles, but not popular stuff that many want
@greenpublishing
@greenpublishing 7 ай бұрын
Check out the Art Blakey track The Freedom Rider. It is an incredible drum solo piece! Fantastic video again Robert. Love the way you puncture the pompous.
@Onteo1
@Onteo1 7 ай бұрын
Another wonderful video ! I’m glad to see someone let the air out of the over inflated jazz genre recently . The pretentiousness of some KZfaqrs is quite telling. I’ve tried to listen to this kind of jazz and “get it” , I just don’t. Thank you.
@norrieclark5217
@norrieclark5217 7 ай бұрын
I like Dave Brubeck and I don't think I'm better than you !
@Peter-Burbank
@Peter-Burbank 7 ай бұрын
I’m not a big Jazz fan either but, I’d rather hear A Love Supreme over Dark Side of the Moon any day of the week. Your “Wallmart” comparison was silly.
@thaynewood54
@thaynewood54 2 ай бұрын
Great video as always. I respect that you’re saying what you feel. That’s the most important part of music. If you like Ornette Coleman though, I feel you might like eric dolphy. Only heard a few from each artist. But Eric is definitely in the crazy, left field free jazz realm. Thanks for the good videos!
@brunohebert1351
@brunohebert1351 7 ай бұрын
You nailed it again Robert! And no, it's never too long ;-) I've been trying to get into jazz too, I don't mind Kind of Blue, Time Out (yes I don't) and I like the Getz/Gilberto and Thelonious Monk (I don't have yours but I have Monk's Dream) I tried A Love Supreme but I just can't get it. To me, like you kinda explained, jazz is a live thing. I have attended several jazz club events and it was really enjoyable (not everything but mostly) and that's why I think it's really hard to get the same experience from a record. When you're there, a little tipsy, the atmosphere, the people, it all blends in well. Listening at home just you your system and the record... it's really not the same thing. It's funny because other genres of music it's no problem. Especially live recordings. But now, I'm going to check that Ornette Coleman record which I wasn't aware of... Oh BTW, the new wave of cinema is called "Nouvelle Vague" (new wave in French) with the movie "Ascenseur pour l'échafaud" (Elevator to the Gallows) got famous for Miles Davis soundtrack (another BTW, gotta check his ex-wife discography) Cheers and thanks and good luck for the record show!
@sidefish8362
@sidefish8362 7 ай бұрын
Jazz music as something to wear to impress people.. you nailed it.
@geraldbrennan7425
@geraldbrennan7425 7 ай бұрын
Ridiculous!
@marcbenjamin9436
@marcbenjamin9436 6 ай бұрын
Totally understand your thoughts on this… I have had many former friends and colleagues who “loved” this music and I didn’t get it. I’m a picky jazz listener and I have jazz albums I like and some I don’t (that’s jazz) Your opinions are entertaining.
@michaelmaurer6923
@michaelmaurer6923 7 ай бұрын
Robert, this may sound like an off-the-wall comment (and maybe it is), but... since I know how significant K-Tel compilations were for you as a kid, do you think that had K-Tel also issued jazz comps in addition to the rock, pop, disco, and occasional country and classical collections... that maybe you would have dipped your toe in the jazz waters, in your formative years, and would now have a greater appreciation for the genre? If not... that's okay. It's quite alright not to like (much) jazz. I believe you and I are roughly the same age (I was born in '72). That's partly why I wanted to give you my take on, if only our generation had been more exposed, as children, to jazz, like we were to other genres... and what better way to have accomplished that (for our generation, at least), than via K-Tel comps? Thanks for the videos. This one, as well as your K-Tel one, are probably my two favorites so far. Your channel, in general, is fast becoming one of my favorites. 🎶
@myleftthumb2294
@myleftthumb2294 4 ай бұрын
Try Lee Morgan's The Sidewinder. I'm pretty sure that'll be one you'll want to keep. My dad liked jazz; I grew up in the 60s and 70s listening to his records on a Bogen Challenger tube amp through Stromberg Carlson speakers. Still have the amp and his records and still enjoy them. But I'll admit that sentimental value is probably a large part of why I enjoy listening to this genre.
@jeffreywebb7932
@jeffreywebb7932 7 ай бұрын
"Jazz is a bunch of noodling crap..."-Iggy Pop🤣
@jeffreywebb7932
@jeffreywebb7932 7 ай бұрын
Also..you hate the trumpet...I hate the banjo,bagpipes and accordion...3 of the most horrid instruments ever😂
@ianscholes3049
@ianscholes3049 7 ай бұрын
@@jeffreywebb7932 The bagpipes are a horrid instrument but AC/DC use them well.
@jeffreywebb7932
@jeffreywebb7932 7 ай бұрын
@@ianscholes3049 Yes I know.Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that is the exception.Its a Long Way to the Top(If You Wanna Rock "n Roll) is cool as shit.🙂😀
@MickSupper
@MickSupper 7 ай бұрын
Coming from one of the worst musicians at "noodling crap".
@BLZBUG242-sj1du
@BLZBUG242-sj1du 4 ай бұрын
What is Jazz? Jazz is what you hear when a band slowly falls down a flight of stairs.
@joaomedina1
@joaomedina1 7 ай бұрын
You're right Robert Fithen, why should you listen to something you don't like? Just this time, and to help you, I will buy all those records fo 10 dollars. Think about it, a whole 10er! Cheers.
@KenVanTassell
@KenVanTassell 7 ай бұрын
Thank you very interesting vid.
@mr61sprite
@mr61sprite 7 ай бұрын
😂 you gotta be really high to understand it. LOL!! Great video! Gonna be some great comments here. (Billy Cobham, Spectrum) Jazz fusion.
@ditherschmidt9152
@ditherschmidt9152 7 ай бұрын
Yes! Finally, someone hit the nail on the head! Well done!👍👍👍👍👍
@jessesmith555
@jessesmith555 7 ай бұрын
Another great video. I gotta be honest, I would say that I like Jazz, but most of the classics like "Mingus Ah Um" and "Kind Of Blue" are records I put on and fall asleep too. I do really like "Monk.", though. "April In Paris" is a track I like. Ornette Coleman is great, though. "The Shape Of Jazz To Come" is another good one. Thanks for keeping it real.
@chanceotter8121
@chanceotter8121 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for your sacrifice. Be careful-the jazz police will be looking through your folders.
@ArthurNiehaus-xt9rv
@ArthurNiehaus-xt9rv 7 ай бұрын
If you think the Ornette Coleman album is far out put on Coltrane’s Ascension and prepare yourself.
@Polaroid_City_MikeD313
@Polaroid_City_MikeD313 7 ай бұрын
The idea of something being "the greatest ______ ever" or "a record everyone should own" might actually be a disservice to opening minds. Kind Of Blue and Time Out are perfectly fine records, but they're probably not the best starting points, especially for rock fans. I would even guess, maybe they've turned off quite a few potential fans. If someone's gateway is out there, they'll find it, and if not, that's fine too.
@brunolanasantos5604
@brunolanasantos5604 2 ай бұрын
😄 In order to understand Miles' Kind Of Blue you gotta listen to a lot of jazz albums that came out before it...
@groonspider
@groonspider 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for this critique of jazz music, Robert. I'm in a similar boat to you, having never quite 'got' jazz. I'm an ex-professional (orchestral) musician, so I sometimes questioned where I was going wrong. I suspect I wasn't actually going wrong at all - jazz just isn't for me. I've veered close to jazz when I've listened to Soft Machine (Robert Wyatt-period) and I admit that's lost me a bit. I loved your definition of jazz music (improvised) vs. scored music (planned): I think that's spot-on. In the light of that, I couldn't help but think of some of Zappa's music, which is notoriously scored for the players (viz The Black Page). What do you make of that? And one of my favourite albums, King Crimson's LIZARD (KC's 'jazz' album) is, I believe, pretty much scored by Fripp for the jazz players, though to my ears it sounds more than good. Keith Tippett (the pianist on LIZARD) is known as a jazzer, though I haven't gotten around to hearing his albums....I do know I love his piano flourishes on KC albums. Keep up the excellent reviews and memoirs, absolutely entertaining and fascinating!
@plasticsoundwavecult
@plasticsoundwavecult 7 ай бұрын
There is a little jazz I like. Ramsey Lewis Trio’s version of “Slipping Into Darkness” is such a killer song. I’ve been to my share of big band concerts. But like you, there isn’t much else that I get into when it comes to jazz. I like because it feels young and fun. When I listen to jazz the liver spots start breaking out all over. I’m just not old enough to get that much into it. Have you heard of the band Beirut? The album Riptide has some of my favorite trumpet parts, the title track and the song “Santa Fe” are done really well. Other than that the trumpet doesn’t really grab me that much either.
@robertbrink3847
@robertbrink3847 4 ай бұрын
Classic line....music for sex if you don't want to climax...I'm still laughing and I love jazz...and your description and definition of jazz was very insightful...another solid videos Robert
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 4 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@GeneSavage
@GeneSavage 7 ай бұрын
LOL. Sorry you feel that way about Time Out / Take Five. I grew up on this album. I love the weird time signatures, and as a kid I'd stick my head between the speakers and loved the stereo separation on that record. no joke, I whistle a number of the tracks from that LP... it's not a status thing, at least for me. Keep on rockin' in the free world! (Although I hate Neil Young's voice)
@daviddanglis7135
@daviddanglis7135 7 ай бұрын
Your video was entertaining on so many levels: 1. Passing by the Fraternity album was THE ONE THING you did that deserves punishment. 2. The "punishment" took the form of disrespecting nearly 90% of the people who claim to love jazz. 3. The section describing Charlie Brown walking though a bunch of leaves with a wet sucker is brilliant. The Getz/Gilberto commentary is a huge bonus. I think your description of jazz is pretty sound, although I would add that -- sometimes, at least? -- jazz percussionists do a similar thing with rhythm. Also, I agree with you 100% about jazz in general -- passable atmosphere at best. Rarely engaging and never enthralling. But I still feel a little bad about not "getting" it. Also, I own that Getz/Gilberto album. Got it for free from a friend a few years ago. Figured I'd better keep it because it's so highly regarded. Have not yet played through the entire thing.
@jobeonetwothree2126
@jobeonetwothree2126 7 ай бұрын
Your's is THE ONLY channel, in all of these wannabe reviewers, critics, etc where I can sit through a 43 minute video and be entertained through out the whole duration. When I see someone is gonna review an album, on KZfaq (that I've already heard thousands of times) and see that it's got 4 digits in it's time stamp I'm a moving on
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@timtate226
@timtate226 7 ай бұрын
Well done. I appreciate your honest effort on these reviews. I think I like jazz just a little more than you but I still rarely listen to it.
@Love_Street
@Love_Street 7 ай бұрын
I’m not a big jazz fan either but I have a few of the “essential” albums. It’s best when you see it live imo. It’s kinda like eating at a Tex mex restaurant hearing Tejano music while you eat. There’s a time and place for it.
@ChaseRossman
@ChaseRossman 7 ай бұрын
All of the records you reviewed were in a similar style, you should review some more avante garde stuff like Gil Scott Heron, Lonnie Liston Smith, or Pharoah Sanders. I feel like people don’t like jazz until they hear it in a certain way, it’s a big genre.
@pmantos1
@pmantos1 5 ай бұрын
Jazz is not about song, it’s about the improvisation the instrumentalist does with it. Just like you say at the end of your video. P.S. listen to some fusion. Yes you are correct!
@robinsonbaudry9305
@robinsonbaudry9305 4 ай бұрын
Interesting and funny video, thank you for your work and for your channel. I like jazz, as well as I like soul, fusion, rock, "chanson française" (I'm french and I'm sorry for my bad english), hard-rock, blues, reggae, classical music, and so on. If i had to give a definition I would say, as you did, that the essence of jazz is improvisation. It's what I like in this music. The freedom that it implies and the way musicians have to listen to each other and react. I don't think that jazzfans pretend to like this music, in order to look smart. Snobbery does exist in every style, even in rock and heavy-metal.
@Slaveternal
@Slaveternal 7 ай бұрын
Different brains like different music. I can’t fathom why people like a lot of your standard popular music fare, whatever genre (idk U2, Katie Perry, Staind, whatever) but I believe that they do like it. Assuming people are faking that they like what is perhaps strange, erratic, non-song based music is wild. I like The Smiths, then I like Immolation, I like ambient stuff, then I like some avant jazz stuff (Cecil Taylor, Rob Mazuek…). One of my favorite jazz records I rarely listen to but it’s visceral and exciting. So I Might not listen to these disparate genres all the same day or week but I do actually like and appreciate it. It’s a magnetic attraction. Different brains.
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
Understanding that many people (not all people) fake liking things for some sort of acceptance or clout isn't wild at all. It's fairly common. It's how trends work. I've actually had conversations with a few people who were generous enough with their honesty to admit such. Of course, this was years after the fact when they felt comfortable with such admissions.
@Slaveternal
@Slaveternal 6 ай бұрын
@@RobertFithen To expand, I observe the phenomenon to be that people with more conventional taste or only like a narrow frequency of music, upon hearing something different or unconventional (sometimes barely that), instead of honestly relating it’s simply not for them or they don’t understand it, resort to the unsophisticated take that; If it doesn’t appeal to me it’s bad, or ‘noise’, and this person must only be lying to themselves and others as to their appreciation. Confusing their personal sensibility to be some human median value of ‘good’ or even ‘music’. I know what you’re saying but I think that’s quite the exception and not the rule.
@AsItShouldBePodcast
@AsItShouldBePodcast 7 ай бұрын
I actually like Jazz, but wouldn't say I'm a legit jazz "fan". Can't honestly say I have any sort of deep understanding or knowledge of the music or the genre as a whole, but I tend to enjoy the records. And hey, I love Charlie Brown music! Oh, and I see you scored the Fraternity album ;-)
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
I just did a review of the Fraternity album. It's just ok at best. More of a collectible.
@doravidan9261
@doravidan9261 7 ай бұрын
Art Blakey is featured on a Grant Green album called Nigeria. No horns - just drums, bass, piano and guitar. But i really love his drumming on the track Egyptian from the album Indestructible. Would’ve loved a chance to get a clean copy of Kind of Blue but a I don’t live in the states Thanks for the effort Robert! Your sacrifice is appreciated
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 6 ай бұрын
Thanks!! I am definitely going to check out some of these drum-centered suggestions for Art Blakey. I may even make a follow-up video.
@prelvisacupunture4522
@prelvisacupunture4522 5 ай бұрын
Jazz music is very much musician's music based on improvisation, often involving a theme that is stated and referenced at various points in the piece. Think Grateful Dead. The key is to see the textures and note choices as a reflection of the musicians feelings being related in real time. If you're not interested in the musician's feelings or find them too obtuse or complex you will become bored.
@Judy_P
@Judy_P 7 ай бұрын
"Jazz" is such a broad genre, one that I've had only minimal exposure to. The few jazz albums I own tend to fit into one of three categories: 1 - albums that cross over to other genres I'm more familiar with 2 - albums that have tracks that I heard frequently enough on the radio and/or dance floor that I found I liked them 3 - other albums from artists in the above two categories There are definitely classic jazz albums that I simply don't (and likely never will) "get." But, hey, that's true for the genres/sub-genres that comprise major portions of my collection.
@alanwilson1724
@alanwilson1724 7 ай бұрын
I like some jazz but I'd struggle to explain exactly what jazz is. I think you did a good job with your definition but the big question is, what's the Fraternity album like?
@happyhippythevinylguy
@happyhippythevinylguy 7 ай бұрын
I got into jazz back in like 1998. I do like it, but not all of it.
@thesurfacespins
@thesurfacespins 7 ай бұрын
Robert, not only do you HAVE to listen to the album "Take Five" by Dave B. you MUST also watch all 15 hours of the documentary JAZZ by Ken Burns. Then you will "get" Jazz and be cool like us! LOL
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
I've seen it. Doesn't really explain jazz.
@Polaroid_City_MikeD313
@Polaroid_City_MikeD313 7 ай бұрын
Not only does it not explain Jazz, it drains it of it's essence, embalms it and buries it at sea in a lead casket. So much of the perceived elitism surrounding Jazz today comes from the many disciples of that film. You're better off watching the Bleeding Gums Murphy episode of The Simpsons.
@garygomesvedicastrology
@garygomesvedicastrology 5 ай бұрын
I agree. It's a poisonous exposition of jazz, tainted by film maker who never liked jazz, and two experts (Crouch and Marsalis) who, at the time, didn't like anything after Miles Davis's last fully acoustic recordings-and who hated free jazz. It's intensely political (that is part of the music) but designed to not offend genteel PBS viewers. That series really damaged the exploratory spirit of jazz in a horrible way.
@jeffthevideoguy23
@jeffthevideoguy23 6 ай бұрын
In Canada, he's known as Kilometers Davis.
@PhilBaird1
@PhilBaird1 4 ай бұрын
My definition of jazz is that it mostly came out of blues music. Jazz is a hybrid that takes the human expression of blues music and develops it. The improvisation retains the form (The rhythm and harmony) but without the melody. This is getting too complicated already ! Free jazz abandons everything (Ornette Coleman) and doesn't work for me. The blues has got to be in there at home base. Hope this makes sense !
@Tahoe415
@Tahoe415 7 ай бұрын
I am trying to visualize your music room. What floor is it on? Basement? Attic? Perhaps 3rd bedroom on the first floor?
@RobertFithen
@RobertFithen 7 ай бұрын
I live in a one-floor house and it's a converted bedroom.
@Mick_Ts_Chick
@Mick_Ts_Chick 7 ай бұрын
Jazz aside, I love the faces when your mother or someone comes up to you and doesn't approve of what you're doing. 😂
@B.B.Amsterdam
@B.B.Amsterdam 7 ай бұрын
I dont like jazz either so I think you put a lot of suffer into this😀 and Im jeaulous at that Monk album, the ringwear on that cover is amazing! 👍😀
@davidatkinson-lifematters4826
@davidatkinson-lifematters4826 7 ай бұрын
'Free For All' 😂😂👏🏻🤟🏻
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