How do Onmyo and Jutsu points affect buffs in Nioh? Plus patch 1.05 Gold Nioh Armor.

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tracerbeast

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7 жыл бұрын

Today I want to talk about Onmyo magic power and Ninjutsu power points and how effective they are on increasing buffs and debuffs. Also I wanted everyone to know that after today in the 1.04 and 1.05 Nioh patch all players will receive the Gold Nioh Armor! Nothing too special about the armor other than all pieces have extra gold percentages and they have some decent set bonuses.
Getting into my testing, in my last video I tested the Power pill, carnage talisman, steel talisman, and weakness talisman. What I found was that it seems some enemies have resistances to the power-pill and Carnage talisman and would be a buff of one of two values. The steel talsiman and weakness talisman under-performed and this lead to some people asking me if Onmyo magic power points or Ninjutsu power points increased the amount of the buff.
To do my testing I used a book of reincarnation to clear my points. After I started on level 30 on Onmyo and Dexterity and tested the Power pill, carnage talisman, weakness talisman, devigorate talisman, and steel talisman. I continued to test every ten levels until I reached level 60.
This is what I found:
Power Pill- Increased damage from 21% at level 30 to 27% at level 60. 2% increase per ten levels.
Carnage talisman- Received no added benefit no matter the amount of points i put in. Stayed at 82% or 107% damage.
Steel talisman- A 6% damage reduction at level 30 and a .3% increase per level.
Weakness talisman- 13% increased damage flat.
Devigorate talisman- 55% damage reduction with a .3% increase every ten levels.
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Going to leave the description from my last video as well in case you want to see what was tested previously.
Today I tested Nioh Onmyo and Jutsu skills to find the stats. I tested the Power pill, the Carnage Talisman, Weakness Talisman, Steel talisman, and Protection Talisman. These Onmyo and Jutsu skills behaved differently than what I expected.
To understand the damage buffs in Nioh I came to a realization. Damage buffs are treated as if they are elements in Nioh, and I figured this out with my testing. I found that both the power pill and the carnage talisman had two different attack percent increases. They are different from enemy to enemy but they will be one of two percentages. Enemies can even have a resistance to one and not the other.
For Power pills in Nioh in the two damage percentages are 25% or 40%.
Carnage Talismans in Nioh are 82% or 107% with a defense decrease of 98%.
Weakness talisman in Nioh was a 9% attack increase and these numbers were pretty similar to the water status effect.
Only one damage percentile will be constant on any given enemy, and that number will be constant like a resistance.
For the defense talismans in Nioh I was pretty disappointed with the debuff numbers I found.
For the Steel talisman it was a 6% damage reduction for william.
The protection talisman was much better negating anywhere between 700-1000 damage.
Something else I wanted to mention was that rear attacks do a massive amount of damage, above 50% more.
If you like my Nioh Onmyo and Jutsu Stats Power Pill, Carnage Talisman, and more testing video hit that like button and subscribe if you are new.

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@shawnbreen6419
@shawnbreen6419 7 жыл бұрын
Steel talisman by itself is useless. Cast steel talisman after you cast carnage and the steel buff overwrites the debuf from carnage, granting you a gain over a 9% loss with devigorate. Would you mind testing to confirm but it's been proven on the /nioh reddit and I use it all the time :)
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
I came down with a virus but decided to test this anyways. Glad I did,because you are right! Now before I tell you the numbers, I am going to explain how this works. In my last video I found that you couldn't have two attack buffs on at the same time, both power pill and carnage would not stack and the last one cast would be the buff applied. This works the same way, only one defensive buff can be applied at a time. It seems that the carnage defensive debuff is considered as a buff so it is replaced by steel as long as carnage is cast first. Because there is no other attack damage competing for the only buff spot available it stays applied. The interesting part is that you can manipulate this even further. If you cast in this order: Devigorate, Carnage, then Steel not only do you cancel out the Carnage debuff, you will take almost 60% less damage! Let me show you my numbers: The flat damage I was testing hit for 699 damage. Just casting steel decreased the damage to 658 or 6%. Casting steel followed by carnage increased the damage taken to 1417 or 102% increase because the carnage defense buff replaces steel. Casting carnage followed by steel decreased the damage to 658 or a 6% decrease because the carnage debuff was replaced by steel. If you cast Devigorate, which is a attack debuff, followed by Carnage, followed by steel you see a 59% decrease to damage taken. So the trick is in the casting order. Might be a glitch, but while it is there use the hell out of it. lol
@Idobelieveyousuck
@Idobelieveyousuck 7 жыл бұрын
Would this also work with shinka's defensive buff from casting guardian talisman? maybe i'm wrong but i think shinka gives a better defensive buff than steel talisman. Also, what about firm resolve with the dual blades? would getting the buff from those overwrite the carnage debuff?
@shawnbreen6419
@shawnbreen6419 7 жыл бұрын
Idobelieveyousuck haven't tested yet. You should and report your findings!
@Idobelieveyousuck
@Idobelieveyousuck 7 жыл бұрын
I tested it, and both shinka and firm resolve count as separate buffs and do not overwrite the debuff from carnage. this was in 1.05 so it may have been patched, but if not than you specifcally need the steel talisman or protection talisman to overwrite the debuf from carnage. also, while i think shinka might be a slightly stronger defensive buff, you can have its buff, the firm resolve buff, and steel talisman defensive buff up all at the same time. so, thats neat. i think its because they all use separate icons as a result of what caused them, despite having the same affect. or, in other words, the reason steel talisman overwrites the carnage debuff is because the source is a talisman, whereas using shinka doesn't because its a guardian spirit buff.
@otakon17
@otakon17 7 жыл бұрын
So Carnage then Steel then trigger Shinka + heavy armor set with bonus damage reduction % for heavy tank mode?
@redapproves1330
@redapproves1330 4 жыл бұрын
This helps a ton. Thanks for put in the time and made this video
@2012shalashaska
@2012shalashaska 7 жыл бұрын
great finds, thanks for the work
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Make sure to watch to the end for an amazing tip! Best thing I have found from my testing in Nioh so far.
@thekoteXD
@thekoteXD 7 жыл бұрын
tracerbeast thanks for the tips on the video, also i have a question, can you make a video talking about 320 lvl weapons? Saludos desde Chile
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
Haha, haven't been fortunate enough to get a 320. As soon as I do I will do something on my channel.
@Lunaraia
@Lunaraia 7 жыл бұрын
level 320 weapons was a glitch that has been patched as of patch 1.05, all pre-existing level 320 weapons have been reduced to their proper 160 state as well
@dqz-3141
@dqz-3141 7 жыл бұрын
good video!
@203848967
@203848967 6 жыл бұрын
great job!
@Pomperlag
@Pomperlag 7 жыл бұрын
MA BOY! how did you get that much Amrita? nice video! :)
@kostassofis
@kostassofis 7 жыл бұрын
Can you test how does onmyo magic affects the shot spells or the elemental weapons buffs? And the same with the poison/paralysis weapon buffs with jutsu?
@scottumphries4981
@scottumphries4981 7 жыл бұрын
what's the name of your intro song ? awesome videos keep up the good work
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
Bones- Corduroy
@Taejix
@Taejix 7 жыл бұрын
Do we know if Magic/Dexterity have any effect on buff durations? Or are the durations fixed?
@Sunny-gm5wp
@Sunny-gm5wp 7 жыл бұрын
Taejix - buff duration from charms only effect weapons that are buffed by elements. Amplification does increase the duration of magic, and it's doesn't affect ninjutsu.
@QUEEROSEXUAL-GENDERMANCER
@QUEEROSEXUAL-GENDERMANCER 7 жыл бұрын
Use Carnage tali and Steel tali after it. Steel tali cancels the negative of Carnage completely.
@Bewater73
@Bewater73 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@dtw1622
@dtw1622 7 жыл бұрын
Loving the videos man! Question - is it worth investing into higher level Talisman buffs? For example it only costs one onmoyo point to get the Fire Talisman but you can upgrade it to level 3. What do the extra levels do? It doesn't mention any benefit on the skills page
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
The only benefit is that they reduce the Jutsu cost. Not really worth it in my opinion, you can always reset your Jutsu.
@realmskifter
@realmskifter 7 жыл бұрын
You can also stack them to increase the number of usages. So instead of 2 usages of Fire Talisman, you could potentially have 6.
@coltonsmith2240
@coltonsmith2240 4 жыл бұрын
@@tracerbeast you also get extra uses.
@Lunaraia
@Lunaraia 7 жыл бұрын
did it occur to you that you could have just used the Steel Talisman to just flat out counteract the defense debuff from Carnage by applying it afterwards just like power will cancels the attack gain?
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
Yes it does! Check the pinned comment at the top of this video. I tested this afterwards and wrote down all my findings!
@squirly4cookyz
@squirly4cookyz 7 жыл бұрын
you tell me your intro song I'll subscribe. great videos by the way love the time you take to crunch the numbers very helpful.
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
Bones- Corduroy.
@squirly4cookyz
@squirly4cookyz 7 жыл бұрын
just wanted to see if you still respond to old videos. thanks for the dedication to the fan base
@squirly4cookyz
@squirly4cookyz 7 жыл бұрын
is there a soft cap on jutsu points from skill? if you happen to know off hand
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
I try to. ;)
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
I have leveled skill all the way to lvl 99 and all the way up until that point you still get one Jutsu point per level.
@ThexKr8zYxChannel
@ThexKr8zYxChannel 7 жыл бұрын
with all the testing you have been doing, what would you say would be a good soft cap level for omnyo magic and ninjustu to get the most efficient abilities at there best without putting to many points into those levels?
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
For both Onmyo and Dexterity I would say that around 20 would be good enough. You have to have a good amount of Jutsu capacity to take some of the best skills. Plus the Dojo missions require lvl 20 to unlock Mystic arts, but to my knowledge you can use a book of reincarnation to reset the stats and keep the mystic skills you unlocked. I personally take quite a bit of Dex, but depending on your build it may not be optimal.
@ThexKr8zYxChannel
@ThexKr8zYxChannel 7 жыл бұрын
thxs for reply :)
@coltonsmith2240
@coltonsmith2240 4 жыл бұрын
at their* best.
@coltonsmith2240
@coltonsmith2240 4 жыл бұрын
@@tracerbeast kinda doubtful the game would allow you to essentially bypass stat requirements like that.
@carlozg.9548
@carlozg.9548 7 жыл бұрын
When you use the book of reincarnation do you acquire the skill points you got from mage, ninja, or samurai locks? plz answer
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, all of those are added together.
@perfectcell3722
@perfectcell3722 7 жыл бұрын
Did you happen to test "Talisman of the fist"?
@estebanruiz6228
@estebanruiz6228 7 жыл бұрын
Nice
@nathancepeda7407
@nathancepeda7407 4 жыл бұрын
I know this is old. Hopefully you still read the comments? Have you looked into the amount of and order of points you put into your stats, and how many at a time? It seems like you get more points at certain times and how many you put into specific stats, can affect the number you get.
@coltonsmith2240
@coltonsmith2240 4 жыл бұрын
you're talking about how many skill points you get per level up? it depends on your level and which stat you put the point into
@TheChecho3000
@TheChecho3000 7 жыл бұрын
Nice trick! Thanks! By the way how viable is it to invest heavily on Dexterity? One of my friends has like 30 points in it but i dont know if it is even worth it...
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
I like Kusarigamas and dual swords which gain damage from dexterity, so I put in quite a few points in dex. I get more benefit from Skill however, so I am not fully invested. If you are using anything other than those two weapons it may not be very good for your build. That being said, you can always buy some Book of reincarnations from the teahouse and try it out. May find something you like.
@TheChecho3000
@TheChecho3000 7 жыл бұрын
tracerbeast i actually use Dual swords so thanks for the tip!
@phhuddie01
@phhuddie01 7 жыл бұрын
ChisasKrais dexterity is really good for the kusarigamas when adding points to it raises anything from 3 to 7 points each time I add a point to dexterity
@peterloadholt9251
@peterloadholt9251 7 жыл бұрын
Tracerbeast so the higher your level is. Lets say 98 for example you cast the carnage talisman and then devigorate talisman your attack is higher
@coltonsmith2240
@coltonsmith2240 4 жыл бұрын
false
@sifthegreat5810
@sifthegreat5810 7 жыл бұрын
so is there any point in lvling onymo, I have been lvling it and spirit making a magic build but it seems to not increase anything. like what about the element buffs. does it increase the damage from them?
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
Elemental talismans should receive a benefit from Onmyo magic points, however I didn't test this. I can tell you with certainty that it doesn't effect the elements that are rolled as stats on your weapons. Those damage numbers are in no way affected by Onmyo.
@fieldyznuts997
@fieldyznuts997 7 жыл бұрын
ayyy bones, nice
@Postulio71
@Postulio71 7 жыл бұрын
So how is the scaling for Magic as defense or attack ratings vs straight Primary stat builds?
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
I haven't done any testing on weapon or armor stat multipliers, but want to in the future. Looks like it will be hard to test, so It might take a while.
@ianp3112
@ianp3112 7 жыл бұрын
this happened last night that might be worth looking into, I was fighting final boss in fifth area with Suzuka guardian. I had buffed protection talisman and started by using my guardian. but when I took damage my health went to around 70% but my guardian was recharged right away. this guardian has auto charge when you go critical, 30% or below. sure looked like protection talisman damage allowance played the role of the health bar, hope that makes sense. if this is true, then does that mean the other critical passivel buffs work this way. I can't play until later to test. cheers
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting, will check it out.
@ianp3112
@ianp3112 7 жыл бұрын
tracerbeast hey bro, my bad, tried it again last night and it didn't work. looking back, I think the boss killed other enemies during battle and that's what recharged my guardian. thx for reply, awaiting new videos. cheers
@xhillydilly
@xhillydilly 3 жыл бұрын
to experiment like this, b4 you do, upload your game data to the cloud, do your tests, then download your uploaded data to over write your experimental data to bring you back with all your resources you had b4 the experiment but you know what you learned from the experiment, and you lost no resources.
@ianp3112
@ianp3112 7 жыл бұрын
so if u cast sloth, then deinvigorate on boss, plus carnage buff, u can kill any boss in seconds, wow, cool but not cool. good work bro, keep up the good vids. could u do some testing on spirit stat, Any use going beyond minimum stat buffs, thx. cheers
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
Spirit as a stat has one of the worst returns on amrita investment. The only reason I give it any levels at all is to unlock passive traits. Guardian spirit bond increases the charge rate of your living weapon gauge and reduces the cooldown between uses. These are pretty small increases per level. It doesn't affect the stats of your living weapon or the passives it gives you. Amrita is much more well spent to enhance your guardian at the Enhance Guardian menu, so if you like living weapon and the passive stats its your best bet.
@ianp3112
@ianp3112 7 жыл бұрын
tracerbeast thank you very helpful much appreciated, cheers
@Sljm8D
@Sljm8D 7 жыл бұрын
Something you missed: Onmyo Magic Power and Ninjustu Power increase the duration of buffs/debuffs.
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
I would like to test how duration values differ by leveling in the future.
@Sljm8D
@Sljm8D 7 жыл бұрын
If you do, please be sure to distinguish between Onmyo Magic Power/Ninjutsu Power and the Magic/Dexterity stats, because there are several ways to increase the derived stats independent of the main contributing stat.
@vontefrom6002
@vontefrom6002 4 жыл бұрын
Bones ❤️
@LucrateXmilK
@LucrateXmilK 7 жыл бұрын
a thing sometime i don't get it Omnyo and Justsu are the same things ? il was thinking one was magic and one was ninja
@davidmurray3542
@davidmurray3542 5 жыл бұрын
'Jutsu' just means 'techniques' - Onmyo are magic (techniques) and Nin-jutsu are ninja techniques, so both are under the 'Ready Jutsu' option at the shrine.
@coltonsmith2240
@coltonsmith2240 4 жыл бұрын
they are not the same thing
@azurethegamerkobold5434
@azurethegamerkobold5434 7 жыл бұрын
So what i got from this was, that Omnyo magic is busted and not scaling or barely scaling at all... granted it has powerful debuffs BUT wahts the point in having +magic power if it DOESNT do jack all... seems to me best tactic with magic is to dump 30 and forget that magic power exists entirely.... meanwhile it seems like ninjitsu scales infinitely better... again magic users get shafted in terms of scaling and everyone else reaps the benefits... at least in bloodborn and darksouls a pure caster does work... i was wondering why shot spells were so damn weak TURNS out its just bad scaling.... i guess i'll just revert to using the totally not broken living weapon build.... until they decide to fix the scaling for magic.
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
For buffs it is not very good to level up, after I did my testing I dumped it back down to 20. If you take high spirit and magic those numbers will go up, but it doesn't scale like Jutsu. The best buffs are not even effected by the Onmyo stat, and if so they are very small increases.
@azurethegamerkobold5434
@azurethegamerkobold5434 7 жыл бұрын
Does it effect the elemental damage in a stronger fashion? honestly i'm ok with the bad buff scaling if elemental damage gets a major boost.
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
As far as weapon elemental damage from your weapon stats are concerned, no. The first strike at level 30 was 29 water damage, and the first strike at level 60 was also 29. It should increase damage from Elemental talismans, but it wasn't something I tested. I want to test it soon along with the elemental shot spells, but it may be a couple videos ahead.
@Clavitz1
@Clavitz1 7 жыл бұрын
i really hope in the future they improve on this as well as showing the exact values for spells in regards to how much damage they do, effect power, and duration. im glad you're doing this but if you think about it, no one should have to go through all this nowadays just to find out the information on abilities.
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
I feel you, that is why I like doing this. I am the type of person who likes to theory-craft with spreadsheets and damage calculators. Played Diablo 3 for years and loved coming up with new builds, the game had a crap ton of problems but they were always transparent about their damage ranges. With Nioh it is much harder to theory-craft due to the lack of transparency, but damn its a great game.
@workbirdygaming
@workbirdygaming 7 жыл бұрын
hi I use the book to reset my level and all my magic is gone how do I read equipped it?
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
It resets all skills as well when you use the Book of Reincarnation. You will have to level up the magic again to get the Onmyo capacity points you need to unlock those skill again.
@bryang6211
@bryang6211 7 жыл бұрын
tracerbeast. What does the game mean by reseting? Is it like you lose the skill points and you have to farm for them again?
@levigilpin
@levigilpin 5 жыл бұрын
@@bryang6211 points an amrita are given back to you to reallocate as you see fit.
@shampayne3914
@shampayne3914 7 жыл бұрын
I thought lvl 320 gear isn't a thing anymore they got rid of the 320 gear it's all lvl 160 gear now all my 320 gear turned to 160 gear
@estebanruiz6228
@estebanruiz6228 7 жыл бұрын
Broken Token Really?
@shampayne3914
@shampayne3914 7 жыл бұрын
esteban ruiz yeah all my main gear and weapons are now 160
@Pr0v0kat0r777
@Pr0v0kat0r777 6 жыл бұрын
i wonder what happens if you die during reset stat? will you loose all amrita lol?
@davidmurray3542
@davidmurray3542 5 жыл бұрын
If you died twice then yeah, you'd lose everything... but if you'd died once it would be much safer to use a summoner's candle than try to run back.
@coltonsmith2240
@coltonsmith2240 4 жыл бұрын
lose*
@nickmartin5568
@nickmartin5568 6 жыл бұрын
Does weekness and Carnage stack?
@sultanshell5720
@sultanshell5720 4 жыл бұрын
No
@sultanshell5720
@sultanshell5720 4 жыл бұрын
(:
@coltonsmith2240
@coltonsmith2240 4 жыл бұрын
weakness*
@demonsean
@demonsean 7 жыл бұрын
what does spirit do?
@tracerbeast
@tracerbeast 7 жыл бұрын
The main benefit to spirit is that you can unlock passive traits on your guardian spirit. The stats that increase are Onmyo magic, Vs. Yokai realm, and Guardian spirit Bond which increases the charge rate and the cooldown between uses.
@Ashurman666
@Ashurman666 7 жыл бұрын
+tracerbeast Spirit is also useful if you have gear that has the Change defense to spirit or change attack to spirit stats. I have a bunch of those so i've been putting a lot into spirit. I believe(though i'm not sure) that Spirit also affects the damage your spirit does when you summon them but again not sure
@EmperorBello
@EmperorBello 3 жыл бұрын
For the love of god! Sloth!!! :( good video overall though.
@spencercaldwell6410
@spencercaldwell6410 7 жыл бұрын
water sesh
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