How to Lose Fat + Keep it Off, Tighten Loose Skin & Boost Metabolism with 3 Carnivore WOMEN Experts!

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I share 3 90-day transformations + how to tighten skin while boosting metabolism with 3 women on the carnivore diet.
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Steak & Butter Gal aka Bella is a classically trained pianist and violinist. She is a graduate of The Juilliard School as a Masters of Music Degree Candidate.
Bella is passionate about sharing her vegan to carnivore story of healing autoimmune conditions (eczema & psoriasis), skin, mental health, mood, and energy with animal foods alone.
0:00 welcome
1:44 meat Kelly Hogan & Dr. Chaffee!!
2:40 meat the ladies 💜
5:20 carnivore diet and FAT LOSS for women
7:25 Jess’s thoughts on carnivore diet/fat loss
9:45 Jess’s 90-day body recomp
11:57 Rosa’s 90-day body recomp
13:25 Coach Emily teaches you the 90-day fat loss
15:50 Jess’s experience with priming
18:11 Coach Emily on honest eating
21:32 Rosa’s experience with priming
23:16 What to expect from priming/carnivore weight gain
25:23 growing female CURVES
29:27 dangers of FAST weight loss
32:25 how to join the 90-day fat loss program
33:54 Jess’s carnivore babies & kids
37:54 Emily’s carnivore teenagers
39:20 Rosa’s carnivore son
40:05 the impact food makes on mood & behavior
41:23 what is after priming?
43:46 When Rosa saw dramatic fat loss
44:40 Jess’s experience with fasting
48:12 the flexibility of this fat loss program
50:05 where to find the ladies ❤️
51:15 Join the 90-DAY FAT LOSS PROGRAM! FAQ’S
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@SteakandButterGal 2 жыл бұрын

Come join the Challenge to learn the 90-day fat loss program! sbg-s-meat-up.mn.co

@thelauraguy 2 жыл бұрын

I have a question about the challenge. At what time are the weekly meetings? I think you said they're on Sundays and Tuesdays. What time?

@SteakandButterGal 2 жыл бұрын

@@thelauraguy please go to sbgmeatup.com to see the full schedule 😊

@betterhealthtoday 2 жыл бұрын

I have an issue im trying to figure out how to fix. I have a problem eating fat. I become severely inflammed all over if I eat to much so I stay within 50-70g a day. Many of the symptoms are severe head pressure, nasal congestion, severe asthma, joint paint, overall body weakness, muscle loss, weak teeth and nails, cavities. The person i was working with believes i have CIRS from mold. She had me doing lipid replacement but I cant tolerate more fat than I mentioned above. Not sure if your program is something that can help.

@hopex988 2 жыл бұрын

Hi so sorry I need some help I was checking your page and how to sign up for 90 day fat loss program but I found august challenge please could you let me know how to sigh up I’m to confused (carb brain for sure) . Best wishes

@betterhealthtoday 2 жыл бұрын

@@hopex988 August challenge is the next one

@maryhenry1283 6 ай бұрын

I am 74 years old as of February 2024. Started the Keto lifestyle this past February 9, 2023. Inflammation, insulin resistance and heart surgery dictated my change to carnivore July 14 2023. Started to feel GREAT this past December 2023, better than I have felt in my entire life. Still researching and tweaking my carnivore lifestyle. As of today I have gotten rid of 74 pounds. 44 of those pounds came from Keto but Keto didn't address my inflammation fast enough. However my pre diabetes has corrected. My cardiologist congratulated me on my weight loss and reduced A1C but commanded that I abandon that Keto and pick up some Repatha from the drugstore that he was ordering and give myself inoculations in my stomach to address my high LDL. I quit him instead.

@maryhenry1283 5 ай бұрын

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@elmyra.jackson 5 ай бұрын

Good for you! I'm so happy about your results! Because of the prescription pushing doctors,I'm at the point where I only want to see a doctor for labs only!

@karenreaves3650 5 ай бұрын

So happy for you. ❤

@grandwizardnoticer8975 4 ай бұрын

Good call. Bizarre how we have modern "leaching" doctors, and doctors who actually know the issues with old cholesterol 'research' and that new research debunks the old grain-industry and pharma propaganda.

@srsr8037 3 ай бұрын

👏 👏 👏.

@1northernchoice 2 жыл бұрын

I did carnivore for 12 weeks - I had a colonoscopy end of the carnivore challenge and Doc says my diverticulitis healed.

@Scorp2017_water Жыл бұрын

This is incredible. I hope I'm successful with this.

@waterdragon5418 Жыл бұрын

Wow!

@gratefultammy Жыл бұрын

Fantastic news

@maceanglin Жыл бұрын

I wish I could get my grandma to do this diet! She has diverticulitis as well. 😢 I want her to be around as long as possible.

@smmargret6300 Жыл бұрын

@@godsdaughter414 I got it on my chest only but didn't get it while on my keto diet but after I had graduated to a carnivore diet. Just found out what it is by your question. Was wondering if it was caused by a virus or my diet..

@crishamilton6678 Жыл бұрын

I’m 60 and this is my second day of carnivore. Wish me luck!

@jiphy Жыл бұрын

How goes everything?

@jiphy Жыл бұрын

Today is my second day.

@jiphy Жыл бұрын

After day 3 I couldn't do it anymore.

@Cat-ht7ki Жыл бұрын

I'm 61, on year 2 of carnivore, and love the freedom from food cravings. Hang in there, it's worth it.

@Pipedktr Жыл бұрын

Praying you will be fantastically successful!

@CCelia1953 Жыл бұрын

Oh my word. I'm 70 years young, and having the best results ever. My body composition changed so much it's ÀMÀZING. I feel like a new creation.😂❤

@Tiffany_55 6 ай бұрын

I hear this so often! What changes have you noticed?

@dimpsthealien333 Жыл бұрын

I'm literally crying as I watch this. Carnivore woman for 2 months. Only one doing this in my family. I suffer from chronic pain so that's what I want to heal. I am making progress. Just feel alone and unsure what to do. Maybe I need to join your group. ❤

@geertruivanbroekhoven7209 11 ай бұрын

Did you join the group ? How are you doin now ?

@jasminflower3814 8 ай бұрын

Are you still on your carnivore diet? How are things goings for you?

@dimpsthealien333 8 ай бұрын

@@jasminflower3814 I did it solid for 3 months or more. I couldn't get past the Diarrhea and still had issues although I did lose weight. I have since gone Hypercarnivore which means I have added back in some carbs. When I do this, I feel much better. I am under 10% on average per day of carbs, sometimes 5%. Usually from potato. But when I stick to this, I see better results. This is just my personal results. Everyone is different and has to find what works for them.

@wombat88008 6 ай бұрын

you'll get used to crying listening to the girls tell us "the way". I am 76 yo male and feel I have been reborn after only being on a semi carnivore diet as I can afford for a month or so. I just started taking photos so that will be interesting (to me) lol. I hope you are inspired by this video. I sure am.

@suew4609 5 ай бұрын

@@dimpsthealien333Did you have oxalate dumping or was the diarrhea just due to the added fat and protein? I was on the diet for 4 days and got terrible nausea. The next day, I was not only nauseous, had painful cramping and loose stools. It was like my bowels were purging everything in them. I don’t want to do this again.

@MariaDiaz-yj9xj Жыл бұрын

My husband is 80 yrs old and I am 77, I am still recuperating from a fall which broke my right femur, I have osteoporosis. I was listening to a few of your videos and decided to go for it. We started 4 days ago, we are still learning and adapting, I already feel that my clothes are less tight ❤️ thank for your guidance and tips

@jasminflower3814 8 ай бұрын

Hi Maria, Are you still on your carnivore diet? How are things goings for you?

@aliceB357 5 ай бұрын

Yep I have noticed only a 6 kg weight loss but I’m already in smaller clothes.

@savannah482 5 ай бұрын

Do you take calcium?

@atchy24 4 ай бұрын

Take vitamins during transition please.

@karenroweintuitivehealeran9421 Жыл бұрын

I’m 62 and have followed a plant based diet for the last 6 years since a second diagnosis of breast cancer, which resulted in a mastectomy. This threw me into the menopause and since I’ve been at war with my hormones. I was feeling like I was drying out from the inside and intuitively felt I needed greasing. I was starting to wake up with small injuries, skeletal and muscular. My 34 year old son, who has been carnivore for 6 months was concerned about me and begged me to try carnivore for just 3 months. I’m in my 2nd month and I’ve never felt so well, fat has become muscle and I feel so much stronger. I’m shocked at how good my skin is and how fast it changed. I’m filling out but not getting bigger. I didn’t need to lose weight, I needed muscle mass. I have more energy and sleep more deeply and longer. I don’t wake up as often to go to the toilet. I was concerned it would lower my vibration but I bless my meat and give thanks to the animals. The opposite has happened, my psychic abilities have enhanced. My dreams are more positive and now in colour! I love following this channel, thank you ladies and especially SBGal 🥰🇬🇧🙏

@kettymanno7256 Жыл бұрын

Karen thank you dos sharing. I can identify with you I am 59 and I have had some medical issues especially after I lost my husband with a massive heart attack. I would like to start carnivore but I have my reservations. Can you tell me what is your diet like, is it affordable. I also have some reservation about eating meat as a moral thing. I am glad that you are so thankful and grateful for the benefits. Thank you for your time and I am happy for your progress.

@TheFriendlyPsychopath Жыл бұрын

Did your tit grow back? And starting menopause at 62?..reallyyy Karen..🙄

@veronicamartin6977 Жыл бұрын

Wow! ❤

@ThisIsNotMyHome Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this comment! I was having a hard time mentally and spiritually about the carnivore diet. I have chronic illness and have tried everything including being keto since April 2021. But I'm still sick. I think I need to give Carnivore my all and bless and give thanks to the animal that is nourishing and healing my body. I didn't want it to hinder me in other ways that you mentioned. Your success story is very encouraging!

@karenroweintuitivehealeran9421 Жыл бұрын

@@ThisIsNotMyHome Native Americans and other tribes are very spiritual and eat meat. I always make sure it’s organic/ grass fed. I still feel much better.

@marygrace9117 6 ай бұрын

Please do a video on children. I drive a bus with 13 autistic children and all of them live on diets of coco pops, pizza and pasta. Every day, with squash drinks to wash it down and sugar treats as rewards for good behaviour. I believe that none of them will have productive lives. They are all undernourished so often off sick with viral diseases and their futures look grim if they continue this way. But i’m not a doctor or a teacher i’m not even a mother but I can see the effects of what their diets are doing to them. And it’s heart breaking. 💔

@LIFESaWONDER Ай бұрын

Absolutely agree, meat and fat for bone and brain health. Take away the garbage and your child is changed.

@Socalarborist 2 жыл бұрын

Sunburn….. as in lack of. I am in Southern California, I am an Arborist and work outside in the heat all day. Since starting Carnivore I have had zero sunburn… and that’s with zero sunscreen and an ever growing bald spot!! 😂👍💯

@ninjafury5374 Жыл бұрын

This comment will probably die but I just wanted to say that this video has inspired me to do carnivore for at least a year and I wanted to come back to it with an update. I've been off and on carnivore for the last year and I was also pregnant and currently nursing but never stuck with it more than 3 months after getting my short term results. I've been looking at a lot of before and after pictures of female carnivores and notice their boobies do look a little more lifted, even if they wasn't the goal I never knew it was possible. I'm 32 years old and have 2 children, the first I nursed for 2 years and the other one is 1 year also being nursed and my boobs are just sad. I just finished week 1 of priming, feel great. I feel like nothing can stop me this time around. I've already been able to make it through 2 social settings without any temptation. I try not to weigh myself but I did and I am gaining weight but oh well because I am hitting the weights pretty hard and I can tell fat in other areas are disappearing, so I must be doing something right. What I'm hoping for in a year: Hypertrophy muscles Lifted boobs Sculpted legs Abs I've never had "abs" as a goal even when I served 5 years in the Marines, I was really strong. I never dreamed of having abs and sculpted legs but this video really inspired me to be consistent. My legs, calves specifically have always been huge, extra fat on there. Even if the rest of me is fit, my calves just stay big and fat. 1 year from Aug 22 I will be posting and update. Thank you ladies so much for sharing your stories and making this video.

@alan2102X Жыл бұрын

God bless and godspeed, sister!

@Sunshine-Lyon Жыл бұрын

You go!! How exciting 😀 I'm looking forward to an update. I'm also noticing as I eat more meat based my boobies are filling up after nursing 4 babies for 2 yrs each!

@thecarnivoremummy Жыл бұрын

OmG amazing hun!! Biggest congrats

@nicolettehare3322 Жыл бұрын

Let us know how it goes anytime!!

@rachellebrown9830 Жыл бұрын

9 months to go!

@sandym4317 Жыл бұрын

Excellent Round Table. Please interview women in their 60,70,80’s soon. Women that are Post Menopause and Post Hysterectomy. It’s important to know how Carni helps our Seniors because so many that age develop Cancer & other illnesses from eating the SAD for most of their lives. Before/After photos too. Thanks so much!

@loiscashner6567 Жыл бұрын

Sandy I’m 77 years old went on keto /. Carnivore for 15 months have just found the butter and meat . I’m really liking the difference in the way I feel. I’m looking forward to the weight loss as my body heals more. I’m post hysterectomy and feel great. I’m adjusting still to sleep disorder but I feel it will improve soon with the addition of more butter at bedtime. Headaches gone.

@carolinemarie44 5 ай бұрын

I'm 55 and in menopause. This diet helped my symptoms all but disappear. It took away hip and knee arthritis, chronic anxiety, and weekly migraines.

@arlenecarter 3 ай бұрын

74 here and fairly new to carnivore. Would love more info directly related to what works best in my 70's and 80's.

@uknowimright6269 2 жыл бұрын

I've been watching several channels different coaches fir guidance on carnivore. BELLA is most gracious and professional. She allows guests to speak by listening then asks questions us listeners would.

@SteakandButterGal 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. 😊

@sophialewis5642 2 жыл бұрын

Yes she does, most kind and gracious

@Cookingforacrowd Жыл бұрын

And- I love when she plays the piano for us too!!!🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵

@westnewwest4325 Жыл бұрын

I started carnivore a month ago and have experienced great progress so far. My wife, who is in great shape already but has specific things she wants to improve, has started moving from her calorie restricted diet to carnivore. I make bacon and eggs for lunch and constantly encourage her to eat eat eat and not worry about calories, which to me, as a chemical engineer... are pointless. I have noticed that there is so much pre-conditioning regarding food. Women are 'supposed' to eat like birds and to me thats complete bullshit. Slowly, by leading and not forcing, I see that she is becoming deconditioned - and she is seeing the results. Thanks for producing this all women discussion, I am sending this to her right away.

@sarahy9513 4 ай бұрын

I keep telling people that we're not math problems (like calorie counting implies), we're chemistry problems. Most of them look at me like I'm insane even when I give the thought experiment example of how, if they need to put salt water in something and all they have is elemental sodium, chlorine, hydrogen, and oxygen, they can't just put in the correct proportions of each of those raw materials, they'd have to react them first to make H2O and NaCl and *then* combine those. Every now and again I get someone who didn't sleep through chemistry in school who has the light switch flip from that example, but it's pretty crazy how deeply entrenched the mathematical view of calories is.

@kristenmfclark1966 Жыл бұрын

I wish we wouldn’t Pooh-Pooh the loss of water weight. That is the first sign of a cessation of inflammation! It is such wonderful guidance and body communication. Excellent video. Congrats, ladies!!

@kristenmfclark1966 Жыл бұрын

Damn - Jessica’s amazing rampage of adoration of this WOL halfway through was profound. Ok. I’m in.

@cassandrasmom 2 жыл бұрын

This chat was epic! Thank you Bella! It is so awesome to hear the perspective of carnivore females! To add to the mommy stories, my 14 year old daughter gets compliments all the time on her skin. She always reply’s “I eat a lot of meat” 😂 Hopefully she can positively influence her peers!

@SteakandButterGal 2 жыл бұрын

Thank YOU! Congrats for your daughter! 😍

@JennJustLeft 2 жыл бұрын

At age 14 was when my horrible acne started and I didn't get a handle on it until age 28. 14 years of my life I suffered from acne and other hormonal issues. I wish my mother had known meat was the answer. My mom to this day is still plant based and at age 62 still gets deep cystic acne even though she's done with menopause. She's also been obese for around a decade now. I have been meat based for the last 4 years and never felt/looked better. I keep trying to get my mom to eat red meat but she won't listen

@cassandrasmom 2 жыл бұрын

@@JennJustLeft Don’t lose hope. Just lead by example. Congratulations on regaining your health!

@jeannedigennaro6484 2 жыл бұрын

Good for your teen!👏

@colettejaques2559 Жыл бұрын

Yes at 14..had perfect skin

@jan-mariereynolds3624 2 ай бұрын

Hi 👋 I'm on Day 42 & have so far lost 30lbs of fat. I have 105lbs remaining to reach my goal & this fat will never come back again!

@cookie761 7 ай бұрын

Hello! You're doing a good work.. Thank you so much! Well, you wanted to know about us.... I'm an 80 year old woman who has done the SAD diet For that whole time. i've done many other diets and lost but gained it back plus much more. I've been on carnivor for about a month and close to a week... And have lost seventeen pounds❤ I love your videos. I love butter. I love Rib eye steak's! Thank you so much for your channel. Now I have hope of dying slim! LOL! God bless you for what you do.

@jennifersuedees4061 6 ай бұрын

Awesome report. I'm 78 & hope to join in Feb!!

@holls11271 2 жыл бұрын

I'm 45, I've lost 150 pounds on carnivore, have a lot of loose skin. I usually am 2mad one day a week omad, so I intermittent fast, now, but I have 50 more pounds I want to lose. I may have to try the next challenge. My weight loss has slowed waayy down. I expected that but if I can do something to boost my fat loss, I'll try it. At 5'1" I was 325 pounds at my heaviest. Down to 165 pounds. STILL considered obese.

@CG-mj8tk 2 жыл бұрын

Congrats that's some crazy progress! Keep going that's amazing 🤗

@tamihechtel8729 2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations on your incredible success! Maybe join the SBG monthly Challenge for extra support.

@SteakandButterGal 2 жыл бұрын

We would be more than happy to welcome you in the SBGANG! Coach Emily has lost 150 pounds herself with no draping skin. She teaches the program with Coach Raymond too.

@siesies000 2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏

@lwn345 2 жыл бұрын

go back to carbs (100 g per day maybe) for a week or two then start over, maybe that will kick start more weight loss. Of course, if you're a carb addict it can be risky.

@lauraburgess2734 9 ай бұрын

I LOVE the convo about your kids and being carnivore mom's!! This would be a MUCH appreciated topic if you could do an entire video on how to help transition our kids, what is good to feed kids of certain ages, how to help them deal with it socially, etc. Love you beautiful, strong women 🙏🥰🥩

@2bbossfree Жыл бұрын

I came to carnivore somewhat backwards. I've been keto and pretty happy for the past 3 years, but my cholesterol has been up. 280. I'm off of all my other meds and I've changed docs twice to find someone who would support me. NO luck. I decided to do the Feldman protocol to get my doctor off of my back. I'm fat adapted, and had done intermittent fasting before--longest 7 days and generally lost 7 pounds and then put 5 of them back on. I had water fasted for 7 days but added in bone broth on the last 2 days. (lost 5 pounds) Ate keto for the next 2 days and gained a pound. Then I started the Feldman protocol which of course means eating 3X the calories--which was practically impossible. I thought, the only way I could get to 3500 calories per day and not have to do crazy tracking was to eat carnivore. 2 ribeyes and 4 eggs in 2 meals per day, fried in butter or bacon grease. I expected to gain weight. I did this for 3 days and really tried to hit 3500 calories which was almost impossible. I was stuffed. I assumed I would gain weight, but unlike in the past, I kept off the weight I lost during the fasting and more, net LOSS at the end of 12 days was 8 pounds...I lost 3 more pounds eating massive amounts of food. I actually made my doctor weigh me because I questioned my scale. My cholesterol did drop some, 201-- not as much as I would have expected. Nonetheless, my doctor was proud of me. She said, "You aren't on keto anymore, right?" "Well...." I told her I was doing sort of a modified keto. She said, "See, less red meat and more salmon and olive oil and your cholesterol is down. Keep up the good work." I did not tell her I ate 6 steaks in 3 days, fried in bacon grease. I'm pretty sure she would have had a heart attack.

@zuzanaxyz8866 3 ай бұрын

Please, tell your doctor. They need to start opening their eyes and especially their minds. Millions of sick people are treated wrongly, the prescribed foods and meds from doctors make people more sick. They need to see more cases of people who do it differently and are getting better and maybe at least a handful of them will see through the pharma and food industry lies…

@CubitaLola 3 ай бұрын

WOW!! That's amazing, I kind of chuckled at the end cause I probably would have done something similar!

@Savetino Жыл бұрын

I'm 65, started 2 weeks ago, 5 days carnivore, 1 day water fasting, 1day OMAD eating whatever I want without overdoing it. I walk at list 5 times a week for 30-40 min. Feeling great, energetic, no prescription meds. This works best for me, its not boring and the weight is coming off up to 4 pounds a week.

@jasminflower3814 8 ай бұрын

That sounds great. Are you still on your carnivore diet? How are things goings for you?

@tv-21 6 ай бұрын

I wonder if I will start becoming like a cow if I eat butter every day?

@hollybishop484 4 ай бұрын

My mom was a lactation consultant and mother baby nurse, so I just wanted to add that breastfeeding does NOT give you saggy boobs. It actually happens because of pregnancy itself and you can get them whether you nurse or not. So don't be afraid of nursing giving you saggy boobs, moms.

@CubitaLola 3 ай бұрын

This happened to me. I got the sagginess. I need a lift lol!

@lilolmecj 2 ай бұрын

I think there might be other contributing factors to saggy boobs. Maybe smaller bust women have less, I don’t know. But I breastfed three babies, each for over a year. And I really don’t have very saggy boobs , even at 62.

@1Ilovethis 6 ай бұрын

I am so glad to hear about the insomnia. Whenever I did 36 or 48 hr fast, I could not sleep. I started having many sleep issues. I now have upped my fat with protein only. I am finally sleeping.

@katie7748 5 ай бұрын

Sleep issues run in my family...everything from insomnia to narcolepsy. I'm an insomniac and have heard many talk about how their own insomnia went away. I hope it doesn't make mine worse 😬

@clairebauer6652 2 жыл бұрын

Just want to say I started carnivore a month after having my twin boys( May 2022) . I am breastfeeding my twins full time, recovery time has been cut in half( incomparision to having my daughter 3 years ago), I have amazing energy to take care of my babies. So thankful I have come across your content Bella!!

@clairebauer6652 2 жыл бұрын

Also I have struggled with skin issues my while life. I have no issues anymore

@hockeymomavalon2499 2 жыл бұрын

That's amazing!

@jenjenthedragon8385 Жыл бұрын

That's awesome. I'm 49 now and never have I ever felt better. I wish I knew about this when I had my babies. I would have been a much better parent

@maryfinds Жыл бұрын

That’s inspiring. Currently 31 weeks pregnant and want to try carnivore diet after delivery but have been advised against it due to ketosis and it’s possible effect on baby. How long did you wait after delivery to start your journey? Did it affect your milk supply or your babies? Genuinely curious and would love to hear your feedback.

@redeemedforever6224 Жыл бұрын

@@maryfinds did you receive your answer, I too and genuinely interested

@michelemcneill3652 Жыл бұрын

Today is my fourth day carnivore, I was almost carnivor before. I have CFS and Hashimoto's and I already feel great. I was flirting with carnivor and you convinced me, thank you.

@gaylejideofor6198 Жыл бұрын

when Jessica said "retraining" I realized it really is a recalibration. The whole metabolic shift, hormone and system transformation is really what is needed. I cannot believe how lovely everyones skin is! the skin is an often neglected organ and immune system of our body. Thank you all for sharing your unique journey. I pray I may have such a beautiful result.

@cor3944 2 жыл бұрын

Two months, first on very low carb, then carnivore: 16 pounds lost in postmenopause. I am very near to my ideal weight, body and mental stability. No hair loss, my face skin improved. I’ll never go back to my former eating style. Even the lust for alcohol is getting lesser and lesser 💪 very very great chat, ladies 🌹

@amymgarner 2 жыл бұрын

I love hearing this! I have about 20lbs of straight up belly fat I can’t lose!

@cor3944 2 жыл бұрын

@@amymgarner Yes, there is hope for women in (post)menopause and weight changes. Less weight = better health in ageing process + beauty 💁‍♀️

@majaeriksson5418 Жыл бұрын

Congrats, well done! What i your fat to protein ratio?

@jasminflower3814 8 ай бұрын

Are you still on your carnivore diet? How are things goings for you?

@jerikarason2339 2 жыл бұрын

Would like to see and hear for those women that are obese ( 100 + pounds ) also maybe some that are over 65.. They have a journey that will help many..

@dawn6467 Жыл бұрын

I love how all your heads nod at the same time when one of you ladies says something that resonates with us all. It so relieving to hear you all talk about the problems and fears so many of us face.

@wendywertz8828 2 жыл бұрын

Everyone is different… I can literally be very strict carnivore and then eat anything off plan and it never makes me crave more …. I’m right back on plan and I don’t feel like crap at all . That’s freedom

@anir8023 2 жыл бұрын

Then u can do fast and feast type of eating anything u enjoy to eat

@katie7748 5 ай бұрын

Yep. Everyone really is different!

@jacqchurchm2293 Жыл бұрын

As a post menopausal woman this was hugely beneficial. Thank you ladies you’re all beautiful inside and out 🙏

@deirdremeyburgh4391 Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you! Also post menopausal. I am feeling wonderful! Thank you, Bella, for hosting these wonderful ladies! I learn só much!

@mickijolliff7286 10 күн бұрын

I am 60 days in, 66 and a widow. I ruined my health caring for my such husband for over 20 yrs. Lost 20 pounds so far and feel great!

@juliamorgan9285 Жыл бұрын

I make "butter bites" with my breakfast every day.. I have photos but don't see where I can share them! Pork rinds fried in pork fat, and only salt added. I spread butter thick on them - it's like toast with my eggs and bacon!

@pamisntcraiganymore Ай бұрын

I am not carnivore but I am getting closer. I had a double mastectomy in early May. There were many complications and a long stint in the hospital. The best thing about being in the hospital (besides not dying) was my inability to eat “keto” snacks. That alone made a huge change in my former hunger. I was eating super low carb in the hospital and continued at home. No more snacks. No more fake breads. I am forcing myself to eat meat first then veg. I hope to drop veg soon.

@meeshalabird1660 Жыл бұрын

Isn't it interesting how kids don't like their vegetables typically. And yet we force then to eat them.....our children can really teach us so much

@34acrehomestead83 2 жыл бұрын

I started carnivore on June 1st and I have lost 64 lbs. Thank for the videos.

@laurenwillett8516 2 жыл бұрын

That’s amazing 🤩🤯

@SteakandButterGal 2 жыл бұрын

Bravo!!! Congrats 🙌

@Jesusmyking3108 2 жыл бұрын

😲Wow! That's a lot in less than 2 months,! 👏👏👏👏 How much are you eating? Are you fasting as well?

@donnapruiett6541 2 жыл бұрын

😯 wow!!! That's pretty amazing, I'm so excited to get started.

@thecarnivoremummy 2 жыл бұрын

Great!! Awesome work lady

@Coriol369 2 жыл бұрын

I’m 34yrs old and been sick all my life. I honestly wondered if it was my whole life, when you said about your baby not growing hair: my hair as a baby (nonexistent), but when it came in it was blonde (white platinum blonde), but it didn’t grow until I was a toddler and even then, it only grew from the base of my head up; I only just had a full head of hair by age 5 and school. -this interview has confirmed some things and solidified what I need to do, to finally heal, be healthy and actually be able to live life! -carnivore for life!!!

@kimberlyrussell2297 2 жыл бұрын

Omg they used my progress pictures 😁 this is an awesome program. This WOE has changed my life in a great way.

@SteakandButterGal 2 жыл бұрын

Kimberly, I would love to interview you one day. ❤️

@victoriawebster8816 2 жыл бұрын

Would like to hear from age group 60’s No more hormones to deal with We don’t bounce back as fast as someone who is in 30-40 age group Would love to hear more on this!

@EMA-dq2so 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, me too! Especially worried about loosing muscle.

@worldpeace666now 2 жыл бұрын

Please...Please...Please!🌺

@MsTruthSeekr1 Жыл бұрын

Me as well. Turning 67 one month from today. Chronic dieting has taken a serious toll on my body. So much sagging skin and poor muscle tone.

@NoFapKing Жыл бұрын

Losing muscle eating meat lol wooow

@jtedandlindasimpson7044 Жыл бұрын

Lost weight in my cheeks & now the skin is sagging down each side of my mouth creating almost overnight wrinkles. People said I still looked young ( I’m almost 70). We’ll I sure don’t now.

@islandgirl4954 Жыл бұрын

My second day on carnivore high fat life style 😊 I had a great sleep last night and no hot flashes which I was shocked because I just started 😂. I’m excited to continue this journey.

@ybe7011 Жыл бұрын

Jessica made me cry, it really made me realize how much I've abused myself trying to attain a body that was totally unrealistic especially without the health factor. My gut and hormones are wrecked by years of starvation, raw vegan, juice fasts, etc. Finally shed and got a bit better with keto but then digestive stuff messed up again because of erythritol and almond flour and veg fiber. I'm really looking forward to just feeling good finally but gaining weight still scares me. I feel like I struggled so much to lose it!

@divinelotus19 Жыл бұрын

I'm right there with you. I eat a salad now and my gut gets bloated. Super bloated. I always have an extended pregnancy pouch but I'm not even pregnant. I did keto, stopped because my hair was falling out. Went back to carbs now my hips are full of inflammation. I can't win, hate it.

@ybe7011 Жыл бұрын

@@divinelotus19 have you tried carnivore with butter and iodine? The iodine might help with the hair loss. I know exactly what you mean about the bloating I get so bloated that I can't breathe when I eat any vegetables. I've done every test and they don't know what to tell me. I just put my hands up and said well I guess it's carnivore for good. I'm ok with it.

@michelemcneill3652 Жыл бұрын

I was on keto and just 4 days carnivore eating tons of meat butter and lard and the weight is melting off.

@jasminflower3814 8 ай бұрын

How do you eat lard? I cant imagine that!@@michelemcneill3652

@annebeck2208 5 ай бұрын

@@divinelotus19 My Aunt found out it was specific carbs that made her hair fall out...wonder if that might be with you?

@susandupre1457 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Bella for covering all ages, because we are all not equal and different challenges.

@e.p.2187 2 жыл бұрын

Great round table convo! Very inspiring and relatable. Good job Bella 👏

@ADHDGG Жыл бұрын

Started carnivore to, hopefully, get off adderal, Wellbutrin and 3 asthma and allergy medications. I’m not overweight but I could use some skin tightening at 53. If all I get is to be 100% mentally well and clear, I will have hit the jackpot. Thanks for the motivation ❤️

@Coco-im5ln 4 ай бұрын

Hey, how is it going? Are you still carnivore?

@jeanc1696 Жыл бұрын

LOVED the interview. Unfortunately I am unemployed therefore cannot afford the challenge although I would LOVE to take my carnivore to the next level. However these free interviews do help a lot to stay motivated. I am watching this as I am eating some butter 🧈 hehe. Binge watching Bella while eating buttaaa. Cheers

@aliciamarana 2 жыл бұрын

Such a great conversation! Thank you for bringing these women together. I’ve joined the challenge for August and am looking forward to having the community, coaches and accountability. Thank you Bella 😊

@sarawagstaff122 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, each of you, for sharing your stories, and talking about your children. Really helpful to hear.

@mariemichniewicz4890 2 жыл бұрын

Great job, ladies! Learning more and more with each video. Thank you!

@kathleenhockin8057 2 жыл бұрын

Really loving these round table discussions. I’ve been in your group challenges since October and carnivore since May 2021. I have about 20 lbs more I’d like to lose and I think finally the rolling 48’s are starting to pay off. Haven’t weighed myself but think some recomp is starting. I’m 70 years old and have lost over 110 lbs over the past 4 years. Also have had both hips and both knees replaced due to severe osteo arthritis. Thanks so much Bella for your support and constant encouragement.

@osteopathichomeopathicking6154 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I love these as well, it's especially powerful to hear from these women first hand as I know for a fact it can be much much more difficult for women to lose it.

@SteakandButterGal 2 жыл бұрын

I’m so happy you enjoy the group. I love having you! ❤️

@vibrantly50 2 жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh! So encouraging - thanks for sharing!

@lesliebooth2833 Ай бұрын

I am so thankful to have found and seen this video! I am beginning carnivore in a week and am SO excited to get started! I am absolutely convinced this is THE way to get healthy! I am 64, 5’2”, 300, physically challenged with leg trauma (wreck), type 2 diabetic, eczema, extreme leg/ankle swelling, arthritis, A-fib, digestive issues, chronic pain, sleep apnea, extreme lethargy, no foot pads, and finally one wound from a wreck 5 years ago that STILL hasn’t healed. I have to wait till my next payday to begin or I would be doing it right now. We shall see!!!

@ketoauntie7301 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing interviews and thank you to all involved in this. Very inspiring these ladies are🙏🙏

@niritzagofsky7473 2 жыл бұрын

Ladies, this is a great conversation! Each one of you did a beautiful presentation. Thank you so much for the interesting and relevant content. Every time I watch one of your videos and participate in the meatings, I learn new things and am encouraged.

@krystalshannan8154 2 жыл бұрын

Made it my first 30 days! All of July Carnivore! Thank you so much for running an amazing community.

@hockeymomavalon2499 2 жыл бұрын

The before and afters are amazing and definitely motivating!

@michellewaltrip7603 2 жыл бұрын

Such a great group! Love listening to all this wonderful input from these ladies and their transparency. Started carnivore in February lost 25 lbs and I fell off in late June/ July but getting back into it again. I love how the way I feel, look and overall the healing from the inside and out! Excited to get back on it!

@meltone99 2 жыл бұрын

This was a wonderful group discussion. Goodness you guys, my heart is in my throat becuase of what you have all gone through and emerged to be. I want what you have so here I am... Thank yuo

@sharonrobbins6333 2 жыл бұрын

This was so wonderful for me to hear. I have put so much pressure on myself to follow the Chesaux program. After hearing Jess speak and then Emily explain that we can do it at our own pace has been so helpful! thank you again Bella for putting this together!

@carolynmillsap6292 Жыл бұрын

Love this video so needed to hear these ladies as I’m down 25 Lbs on carnivore but have a stop in weight loss now and I need to keep off the scale and continue to eat as my body tells me thanks

@mariad.5440 2 жыл бұрын

Bella, this all women video idea was just brilliant. Thank you for bringing it up

@darlene2861 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Bella for sharing the wonderful video. I am getting excited to join your 30 day challenges to do the 90 day priming.

@jujugoketo3711 2 жыл бұрын

I just joined. Can’t wait. Keto 4 years and I want to push for even better health. Inspirational- thanks!

@marthamadzunya7808 2 жыл бұрын

Day3 on carnivore and i can say im thriving. Woke up this morning feeling energetic, my feet don't hurt and im not grumpy and hey im not bloated. Im happy i found your chanel, great helpful tips. Have been binge watching yr videos since yesterday

@suelathe4179 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bella for another great video. I learn something new every time," knowledge is power"!!

@jamietrafton158 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much ladies!! This was a wonderful video and very very helpful 💕💕💕🤗🥰🙏🏼

@sbbakelar3335 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic panel! So inspiring! I feel like a old frumpy lumpy lady and now have hope. Thank you ladies!

@frannypalmer2726 2 жыл бұрын

Same here 😊

@dailywalkswithJesus 5 ай бұрын

I may or may not want this group to do a monthly zoom. This was so encouraging!!

@stephanieilluzzi7355 2 жыл бұрын

What an inspiring and professional job you did interviewing all these amazing women, Bella! I am 67, lost about 30 lbs on Keto since May of 2021…as well as ALL my arthritis pain! My weight loss has slowed to maintenance within about a 3-4 lb range. I’d still like to lose my “jiggly” belly, but my arms, legs and face are thin, so I’m afraid they will become too thin. Hoping carnivore (day two now) will help. I’m so grateful for the guidance and support on your channel! 🥰

@jasminflower3814 8 ай бұрын

Are you still on your carnivore diet? How are things goings for you?

@user-un2pg6dk4k 5 ай бұрын

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@clairehachey2189 2 жыл бұрын

You have the most inspiring guest speakers ❤ Thank you so much for all the efforts you put into your channel. You are simply amazing 🥰

@SteakandButterGal 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Claire ❤️

@janeahrens572 Жыл бұрын

Have you any interviews with women in their 60’s and 70’s?

@ananila8143 Жыл бұрын

Excellent! So many questions answered! Love this! I didn’t get to watch the one with the guys so I’m heading there now. Like all of us I have men in my family that needs advise on their makeup using carnivore . Love this ! Please give us more!

@ceciliamcclay4928 2 жыл бұрын

Great info! I've been on the carnivore diet since April..My arthritis and psorisis is GONE, I lost 16 lbs abd dropped 3 sizes! More amazing- the brown spots on my hands and face are disappearing!

@suew4609 5 ай бұрын

Only lost 16 pounds and that equaled 3 dress sizes? That’s amazing because when I’ve lost weight in the past, I needed to lose about 20 lbs to go down one size!

@salemdesigns65 18 күн бұрын

@suew4609 Agreed. It takes about 15-20 pounds to lose one size. Losing 16 pounds down 3 sizes??? 🤔

@lisa260658 5 ай бұрын

I am one month on carnivore and all my sweet craving and wine craving is gone.I have lost 14 kilos.I was 114.7 and now 100.7 kgs.I eat two meals a day.I stop eating at 1 pm. My next meal is at 6 am with juicy rib-eye steak because of my work.i am 66 years old.I thank god for diecting me to carnivore channel of Dr Berry and Bella the stick butter Queen.Thank you to all the ladies.

@ketogrrrl8425 2 жыл бұрын

LOVE Emily's smile! If I'm ever feeling down, I can count on that smile to fix me up! 😆🙌

@vivafamilia7867 2 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best interviews I've seen on this topic. It really spoke to me and I look forward to all I learn on the program. I really want to learn how they handle family life as carnivores. What do you make as meals for your family, how do you handle the cravings of children, family outings, etc.

@thecarnivoremummy 2 жыл бұрын

Kids are good and most cravings dissipated pretty quickly! They eat such yummy food they don’t really miss much. When we are out, we just choose meat 🥩 sometimes they hv things “off plan” but we don’t advise it, as they have pretty strong reactions to these crap foods

@nonrepublicrat 2 жыл бұрын

It is so nice to see and listen to you 4 WONDERFUL women.

@kellytowers8506 2 жыл бұрын

Great information - thank you!! I have found my taste buds have become so sharp, and if I was to have to taste a food for others dinner or at work and that isn’t animal based and processed (ie crackers, pasta ) my taste buds will scream at the unnatural flavour where I actually need to spit out because it tastes so off. This way of eating is becoming life changing

@Josefien59 Жыл бұрын

One week into 100% carnivore, with lots of fat. I am losing weight so fast! 3 kilo’s lost already. Feeling amazing. Love my ribeyes. Apart from losing 10 kilo’s I hope I can finally say goodbye to my eczema and lots of histamine reactions. In one of your other vids you mentioned raw beef liver would speed up the healing. So I bought a pound of grassfed raw beef liver. To be able to get it in, I froze it a bit, toen cut it into tiny pieces and froze it completely. This works! I can take out a bunch of pieces and just get them down with a glass of water. Works perfectly. Your Information is so helpful Bella, thank you.

@kalicastaneda Жыл бұрын

This is really good information. And it helped seeing the before and after pictures! Thanks for sharing!

@nicolldavis 2 жыл бұрын

I’m halfway through this round table meating and just decided to sign up and I can’t wait!

@Ms.Virgo831 Жыл бұрын

Awesome talk ladies! Great information. Thanks for sharing 😊👍

@leesanders1619 Жыл бұрын

I’m a 53 yo male. I started keto 6 months ago and only cheated a handful of days and the last month I’ve been doing carnivore. I’ve lost 40 lbs and am showing some sagging skin in my face and loose skin around my chest. Thanks so much for covering this topic.

@heathermichelle3880 2 жыл бұрын

Signed up for August! Super excited.

@susanstratton917 5 ай бұрын

I didn't hear any comments about the tightening of loose skin. Can you let me know where in the video this is? thanks. Great interviews!

@kathleen9456 27 күн бұрын

They are all too young. Youthful skin will snap back…post menopause not so much

@martijobarrett4527 Жыл бұрын

After those two lovely ladies showed pics, I was so looking forward to Rosa's before and after! Amazing stuff! Looking forward to when my own body starts to kick in (5 years keto, and after a 7 day water fast in the new year, strict carnivore). No weight loss yet but I feel great.🤷‍♀️🎉 Thank you!♥️

@buckboneorganics 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Ladies, that was wonderful!

@lilymcnabb6621 4 ай бұрын

i am 56, will be 57 in June. i am 5'9" and was 127 lbs since my 20s until I married @ 47 in 2018. I knew going into the marriage it was a bad idea but thought i could manage it. You can't make the wrong person the right person. All on me. So foolish. Anyway, it was a super stressful 3.5 years and it coincided with my hormones going haywire in menopause. My highest weight was 169 lbs. The worst part is how i felt. Achy, fatigued, irritable, etc... After the divorce I lost 15 lbs almost immediately. Pretty sure it was just less cortisol from being less stressed. Keto helped me drop another 10 lbs. I went too high too fast with the fat and the gallbladder pain referred to my right shoulder and derailed me. I got ahead of my body's ability to metabolize the fat. Found carnivore and LOVE IT. Three months in. I am a carb/sugar addict. I have trouble moderating. Carnivore is simpler. Fewer choices, never hungry and the convenience. My skin glows and is so soft. Eating butter getting ready for a fat fast. I am at 140 lbs still losing lbs and inches. The # doesn't bother me as I like what I see in the mirror. The body composition is shifting. A lot of my initial weight gain went to my bust. Now I know what all my busty friends meant about being unable to find/wear cute shirts because of the girls garnering all the attention. Also just so heavy. Glad to lose them but didn't want the deflated after effects. The butter seems to have found its home there and keeping the skin firm and filled out. Only exercise for now is stretching and calisthenics. Will be adding strength training after the fast. Seeing the quick results adds to the sustainability.

@karenstewart8620 2 жыл бұрын

I am so grateful for this video. Will join challenges. First time l have heard of priming. Just what I need.

@SteakandButterGal 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to meat you in the group!

@EMA-dq2so 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed hearing from women about their experiences, would like to hear from older post menopause. I am going to be 65 this year and lost quite a bit of weight last year on keto. Not sure what I did, very happy about the weight loss but I lost muscle, fat in my face causing drooping especially on one side and experiencing extreme fatigue! I started carnivore but can't seem to go beyond 30 days. Not sure where to go from here but really hate the extreme fatigue... I really really want to build more muscle and tighten up skin.

@dotstickler79 Жыл бұрын

Could the fatigue be from not enough electrolytes? I have to watch for that.

@annebeck2208 5 ай бұрын

If my husband does not drink enough water (gets slightly dehydrated) he basically falls asleep on his feet.

@evonnetucker3392 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for all of this wonderful information❤. I’m looking forward to healing my body & my mind

@vibrantly50 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing about your mum! I’m 66 and have fallen back into the SAD diet this summer. So ready to feel good again!

@desh7120 2 жыл бұрын

I’m 67. Have been carnivore (but I still drink coffee with cream several times a day) for 2.6 years. I have no cravings and love this way of eating. It’s absolutely worth sticking to. I do intend to cut out coffee - just haven’t felt ready to do so - yet.

@frannypalmer2726 2 жыл бұрын

@@desh7120 I don't want to cut out my ice tea with lemon or my hot Earl Grey in the morning.

@ritalawson7020 11 ай бұрын

It's not called sad for nothing sad results, sick overweight diabetic arthritis brain fog blurred vision. Yep it's sad

@sophialewis5642 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome round table!

@salobrena6442 Жыл бұрын

So stoked.. started the Carnivore Diet 2 days ago and I am doing the 1 stick of butter per day with it.. so far so good.. never thought I could just eat butter on it's own without being disgusted that I was sitting there eating slices of butter..lol

@suew4609 5 ай бұрын

You ate a stick of butter from day one? I ate extra butter, only about a table spoon and I had painful cramping and loose stools🤷🏻‍♀️ Do you eat salted or unsalted butter? I didn’t like the salted, tasted too salty. How are you doing now? Still eating butter?

@salobrena6442 5 ай бұрын

@@suew4609 Hi..I used to use unsalted in my daily life even before the diet because I would make quiche now and then and I like the unsalted so I continued using it.. I am now 13 months in and down 105 pounds and I have cut back on my butter consumption by buying beef fat trimmings from the butcher.. I bought 25 pounds worth because there was a minimum order and I broke it down into smaller parcels and froze it.. When I was using butter I would have it with my meal mostly..steak and butter.. I would have a piece of steak and a slice of cold butter.. the 100-125 grams was over the day.. I did it for most of the year and then went to beef fat as it was a lot cheaper and it's delicious done in chunks in the airfryer as a side to my meat.. I can now buy cheaper cuts of meat that are not that fatty and still get my fatty meat.. if that makes sense.. It's well worth doing this diet.. I will never eat any other way..

@kberlyc32 Жыл бұрын

I have not started this yet. Just looking into it. You came up and I hope this sparks a desire...

@PT-tw6kg Жыл бұрын

Fantastic interview. Thank you, after 10 days off carnivore had some issues. I was put on Akins 40 yrs for severe allergies so at 28yrs old till 68yrs old been on keto.I did feel 100% better on carnivore but after 6 weeks my lower left side I had very bad discomfort with tenderness on my lower left side, fasted 3 days water and electrolytes waited 7 more days now I'm back on strict carnivore 0 carbs.

@teribond7808 2 жыл бұрын

My favorite of your videos. This was awesome!

@canadianalien370 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent information. Thanks for posting this.

@andrewlineberger7544 Жыл бұрын

I started out it 34% body fat got down to 25 and then got more strict meat and cheese mainly now that I've cut out cheese I'm down to 19% and now I'm watching this video to learn about loose skin Thank you for your transparency and inspiration from Denver North Carolina

@marilynphillips776 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for all females!!! I’ve been needing this👍🏻👏

@shannonshott5770 2 жыл бұрын

Great info. I am terrified of the priming phase LOL I also really liked hearing that Jess didn't do EF and was still able to see results. I did a SBG challenge previously and the support during the challenge was great I just was not mentally ready for carnivore but am now 6 weeks in and loving it.

@redeemedforever6224 Жыл бұрын

So, what is priming? Eating mean till uncomfortable 3 times a day? Watched this video 2 times again and still don't know