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My main concern is that when they start running low on plants, they’re going to have to add * gulp * coffee bean back.

the only good returning plant ever is pumpkin :heckyea:

wasted potential for popcap to add umbrella leaf in adventure mode as a bwb unlockable. not only would it fit the beach theming (beach umbrella) but it would've served as a counter to octo zombie too. it could counter other things too like lost pilots, thrown imps, bug bot swarms, etc

For the Scaredy Shroom removal, one of the main reason why of this decision along a lot of shroom that as well got removed on DA was because a lot of Popcap Developers left PvZ2 during Dark Ages development. Thats also the reason for being the shortest world.

scaredy shroom literally came from looking like a taller puff shroom to a goddamn emo shroom or smth

Tbh I think that mega g. Pea was best of these. He has cool new design, is slightly reworked, and still usefull.

Trust me, you’re not the only one. It’s obvious that they’re only doing it as nostalgia bait, and they’re pretty open about it lol. I’m pretty sure they’ve had bundles offering MGP, Scaredy Shroom, and I forget what else, and labeled it as a “Nostalgia Bundle.” They really should have pulled the plug on PvZ2 a long time ago, because this is starting to get even more sad than it was before.

About Sea Shroom. I’m 99.9% sure that it’s canceled. I think the devs realized it would be absolutely useless and no one would care for it in any way. There hasn’t been any work done for Sea-Shroom sense it’s design got leaked… so yeah it’s definitely scrapped at this point. (Also before anyone mentions Nightcap being leaked long before she got added. Just note that Nightcap actively got changed and worked on in each patch, while Sea Shroom isn’t even a plant in the files, it’s only a Seed Packet image.)

I'm pretty sure they're significantly reworking Ice-Shroom in PVZ2, so he at least feels more reasonable than something like Scaredy-Shroom. I do agree though, and it's nice to see a video like this that's a reasonable length and not stretched out to 20 minutes for next to no reason.

They saw the hype mega gatling pea generated and tried to repeat it. The problem is that other plants just don't work in pvz2. Ice shroom is just ice bloom again Scaredy shroom is just peashooter again but worse Sea shroom can only be used in a single world Mega gatling pea had none of these issues making it's return good

Well, the main reason why we got more PvZ1 returners is because as you said, PvZ2 is a decade old by now so they might be doing this to celebrate, the problem is the choice, they brought back Gatling Pea last year and then they went to the COMPLETE opposite of the scale and brought back Scaredy Shroom, made a design for Sea Shroom, and making a VASTLY reworked Ice Shroom for the next update, Doom Shroom would have been a better choice because we need SOME counter to the bullshit zombie spam of the later worlds, Gloom Shroom would have made a better choice and has actually been made into one of the best custom plants in recent time, the fucking UMBRELLA LEAF would have been a better choice when you take into consideration all of the zombies and projectiles that fall from above, it’s almost like Umbrella Leaf was MEANT for PvZ2 for god's sakes!

What MUST come back in the game is survival endless They made vasebreaker but no longer updated it, despite some POTW levels in pennys pursuit being vasebreaker levels

What I know for the upcoming returning Ice Shroom is that they will rework him to have new purposes since 2 plants already had his ablility from pvz 1

I agree with your video 100% but some of the returning plants personally I don't have a problem with them like the gatling pea and cattail for example and some of them might get a buff or a different power like ice shroom being a moon flower for ice plants but my problem is how they are introduced as a premium plant that make them less useful overful and also the animation and style is going low quality in the recents which will make the returning plants overall fell worse if those new plants/returnig plants have a purpose in a new world designed for them with better visual and animation I think the community will happily accept them (like the umbrella leaf defend from multiple obstacles and zombies in that world it was designed for) but for now It's totally annoying how they use nostalagia bait for money and we all agree if gold magnet makes a return in pvz2 we would literally lose our minds 🤣

They gonna add umbrella leaf any second now Scratch that they gonna add flower pot any second now

They may be pointless in PvZ2 but as someone who played the first PvZ, I think it’s really cool to see every plant from the previous game come back for nostalgic reasons.

They added Sea shroom and made him an absolute grind to unlock. Just make him a world plant in big wave beach ffs 💀

Seeing the talk in the comments on Ice Shroom changing, if I were to change Scaredy Shroom, I would utilize some of the popular ideas in changing him such as higher hiding defense and shooting way faster when zombies are closer. One change of my own would be that when a zombie bites into him even once, they get poisoned. I mean, look at him. He's a flipping mushroom, and mushrooms are usually known to be toxic.

I've noticed that these are all the mushrooms, mainly. This is because, with the 50 sun, the ability to do stuff for cheap is less in demand

I still Like the ice shrooms ability since he has COMPLETELY differing mechanics

The unique good plants that came back are on China, Cattail, Cob Cannon, Gatling Pea, Pumpkin, these ones are the best

They should literally make a new world that is like a dark and water theme and put those premium plants into free plants

PopCap is going to Disney route. Nostalgic bait.

ScaredyShroom from my knowledge wasn't cut because he didn't fit the first time, it's because the team was too small to fill their full vision with dark ages.

Honestly, I don't care that much about what they add, I just want it to be a little more polished. Pvz 2 is an old game I just want popcap to fix all major bugs, like music not playing, before the game is not supported anymore.

Bring back coffee bean and make all night plants not work in the day :trollface:

Personally, I think having the old plants return is just fun because of the principal of it. It’s been years and it makes sense for them to debut again. And also, we’re going to get more and more new plants anyways, why not have it just be the old ones?

Ice shroom has a pretty funny alamanc entry

2:56 i think it would’ve helped to mention that he’s a melee attacker with a 3x3 chill radius instead of an instant as a result of ice bloom existing and his ability to boost surrounding winter mint plants

If any of the PvZ games doesn't exist except for PvZ and PvZ:GW, the world would be a much better place.

gonna be 100% here. I agree, when i was younger i was disappointed that some of the PVZ1 plants were cut and was so jealous of 2C for having Cattail and OG Gatling Pea now i understand why they weren't brought back

Much like you’ve said, most pvz 1 plants that were left out post modern day don’t have a use. The only legacy plants I see functioning as they were in the original and still be useful are Pumpkin, Cob Cannon, and maybe Gatling Pea (and 2 of those 3 arlready exist). Other ones are outclassed by other similar plants (scaredy shroom, doom shroom, ice shroom, etc). Some would literally have no use (coffee bean, Plantern, flower pot) unless new world gimmicks were added. Now, I could see some legacy plants being added with a new use. Perhaps coffee bean is used to give plants a buff, or gold magnet being used to automatically grab sun (more useful for pc players), maybe even give plantern an aoe healing effect. However, at that point you might as well just develop a new plant. Popcap has got to do better than simple nostalgia bait.

4:42 this part aged like fine wine

Question: will popcap ever come back to working on sequels for games like heavy weapon, iggle pop and feeding frenzy or make a 3d version of those games? (And I mean like have 3d environment and not side scroll with 3d?)

I agree with several points you made, like the high similarity between Gloom-shroom and Phat Beet (and oh hey, Phat Beet does not get hypnotized by the ballad) or how Scaredy wasn't released in Dark Ages. Even if he would have been added at that time, a rework on resistance boost when hiding would not make a big difference, but well, at least, yeah. About Sea-shroom, his ability is currently unknown. I'd leave it blank, and I think you should. Though, the rest in the international version, such as Ice-shroom, or (Mega) Gatling Pea. Did you notice the difference between Gatling Pea from the rest of his elder brothers and sister? He has a random chance to have the plant food effect. I don't know how appealing it sounds to you, but having a little surprise like this is sweet, especially for those who use him with Pea Vine and Torchwood during Arena when the Appease family does not get bruised *cough cough*. Ice-Shroom, have you checked over the upcoming content page? "Smashes zombies in melee range. Emits a chilling aura that both buffs nearby Winter-mint plants and chills zombies." Have you noticed how he functions differently from Iceberg Lettuce and Ice Bloom? P/S: Thanks for expressing your opinion. I like hearing it as watching through your video, but one thing, try to have a more balanced view. At least mentioning some efforts the developers make, rather than hiding them.

I guess you can see the differences of plants before the power mints/arena came out and after power mints/arena. The only exception to this probably would be pumpkin. Personally, I love PvZ2 because updates and new plants are still ongoing. And in my opinion, I think these plants were made for strategic purposes not meant for the adventure, but for other modes (e.g. penny's pursuit, travel log quests, endless zones, etc) and levels with objectives. For example, you can use scaredy-shroom, with its 25 sun cost, for objectives that requires not to spend too much sun, or if ail-mint plants are buffed. But I still get your point. 👍 And that is my opinion at least.

The leaks say that Ice Shroom will be a strong melee plant that boosts nearby chilling plants. That just makes his appearance even more pointless. If it's entirely different plant, then why is it ice Shroom?

"He has ZERO PURPOSE." "He should SHOVEL HIMSELF UP NOW!"

Tbh Doom-Shroom is one of the only plants that DESERVE to come back, like I can imagine it being a blast in arena.

I just like that I won't have to do the ratio math stuff to find out how many plants are in pvz that aren't in pvz2

At first i really wanted all the classics to return but you made fantastic points but im still somewhat happy they brought most back. But you changed my perspective a lil bit.

I really like how they are bringing back sea shroom because in its old description it said it always wanted to see the sea now it finally can that’s adorable!!

Honestly I don’t care, as long as the game keeps kicking I’m fine

is it just me or did the animation of the plants get stiffer? the starter plants like peashooter and cabbage pult have smooth animation but now the more recent plants like scaredy-shroom have stiffer animation. kinda weird but ok

I don't mind old plants coming back if they add new worlds

worst part is, most of the post game plants cost money which im not going to spend

From what I've heard, Ice Shroom is supposed to be a weird mix of his PVZ Shooters Counter Part with explosive bursts of Ice damage in a melee area

Pvz2 just should've been over at this point. Everything that Popcap has been doing to the game at this point is disgusting. They're literally destroying their own creation and if anything, they're crushing everyone's childhood by butchering these old pvz1 plants. It got to the point where I uninstalled vanilla pvz2 and I never looked back.

Why don't they bring heroes plants into the game? We never saw them in a tower defense game. And plants like pineclone could be very cool additions

Now that Ice-shroom is back and he has his own gimmick completely he looks cool. (No pun intended)

Even though I agree with what you say, Ice Shroom is being completely reworked and and we will get a new mechanic called "puddles" that apparently allow you to plant aquatic plants there.

I understand your point of view, but Ice shroom has received a complete change, and sea shroom has a new grid item associated with it, both huge things. I will agree with you on scaredy shroom however.

great video, one small problem, ea is running the show not the pvz1 makers

maybe they’ll add a reverse version of the Lilly pad (lets you plant water plants on the land) to give a point to water plants outside of BWB

Since this is after ice shroom has revealed Its a attack mixed with a mint pretty good spin if you ask me

So, i love returning plants and zombies, when i ex0ecially saw jack in a box zombie in china i screamed of joy! But there is a chance of coming to internatiol too?

I just like seeing them come back, not like they *need* to be optimal, I just like ‘em

The PVZ1 art style are gritty and cool and iconic

i honestly just want umbrella leaf cuz of its design, idk why but i find it so cute

oh boy I can't wait for gold magnet to be added

I wanna see mods utilize these plants and the PvZ1 zombies. Modern Day in PvZ1 didn’t have enough new zombie variety, so seeing the Zomboni in a mod’e version Modern Day would be cool. Cat Tail in AltverZ and reflourished is really nice! That plant has a purpose I feel like.

I heard that when pvz was made, Gold magnet was supposed to be in the game but got scrapped.

I've seen a bunch of clips from PvZ3 around, but I can't find where to play it anywhere

And btw, as an advice, I wouldn't put PvZ chinese as an example to follow, they put a lot of nostalgia content and made them extremely janky and inconsistent. Cob Cannon plant requierent was maintained for weird reasons, and the two spaces interactions are very weird. And let not even mention the OG Zombot, for the sake of god, if you saw it, you might wonder if thats was a 15 years old teen fanmade.

All these plants that aren't even good as premium yet still no new world? PvZ truly has fallen from grace

Man pvz1 i miss speedrunning and abusing gloomshroom

I love scaredy shroom in pvz1 but in pvz2 there is literally no point when other plants are in the game

As soon as they added Dazey Chain I knew they were going rogue

One good thing about bringing back old plants is that now modders can use them easier

Ngl when I first saw ice shroom I didn’t recognize it💀💀

I rarely touch PVZ2 anymore, so even when they add plants from the other PVZ titles in it it doesn't make me want to play it, but I can see it's working on people. It worked on me last year, I dropped an amount I wish not to say to unlock MGP since it's my favorite plant in the PVZEU, but ever since then I've stopped myself from dropping any amount on the game (once you have MGP, Pea Vine, Torchwood, and Appease-Mint anyway you don't need any other plants since those clear the entire game). The only thing Popcap could do to make me want to play the game religiously again is to add more worlds like WW2, Rome, maybe America colonization, and make them extremely difficult to compensate for the new overpowered plants like Pokra and MGP. Until then, Popcap ain't getting a single cent out of me ever again

On the bright side at least we can get upgraded styles of all the pvz 1 plants at some point

Gloom vine is basically a gloom shroom that boosts shadow plants

Like why do i feel like we need to add umbrella leaf back because he can block like zombies that throws on to the plant for example what's the zombie called octopus zombie i don't know i don't play the game that match but he just launches octopus in the air right that can get blocked by umbrella leaf i think they should really add umbrella leaf back am i right or wrong?

Me when I see Night Shade: You serve zero purpose! You should shovel yourself now!

They should have just fucking brought back the plants when the first pvz2 update was made

I really don’t mind them coming back I just like to think that they just haven’t been forgotten

i wish i could take charge of popcap tbh and fix everything

I think there might be a new world. That's water based that isn't big bay beach

yooooo! popcap actually listened. ice shroom actually has more functions now.

4:41 WE WILL MAKE THE DUME STRATEGY GRATE AGAIN for only $4.99

How is scardy-shroom useless? It's basically a cheap version of peashooter for night levels!

I find it somewhat satisfying to see the plants come back, but I also completely understand your perspective.

Ice shroom actually looks decent and is now a melee

Did they bring back the latern yet? (The one lets you see through fog)

Also i think is that for scaredy shroom worked well for when suns were 50 and had to save suns to build a good defense but do to how fast pvz2 is that idea does not work

The fact that bro called ice shroom useless when its a melee plant

Im personally happy with plants coming back, cause they’re frickin awesome.

If you want to have op sheild use plant good on pumpkin and tall nut now you have op defense

if they are adding pvz1 plants, they should at least add in cattail

one fendamental issue i have with all arguments against PVZ1 plants returning is that they shouldve really been in the game from the start its like a 2d Mario game launching with only Luigi missing from the roster, and then having someone upset that Luigi is being added in an update, even with any flaws, Luigi by all means *should* be there and so his addition becomes justified

bro Popcap India be keepin pvz 2 alive

Well technically they did kinda rework the Gatling pea by having its plant food effect happen automatically from time to time but other than that it’s basically the same I’m still gonna try to get it though

I mean making the PvZ 1 plants as those “collect 100 seed packets” are the only way to get casual players to put in the effort (and money) into unlocking any of them for example the only one I got was the pumpkin (and technically torchwood) because I actually felt something for wanting to unlock it

I'm here from the future: Iceshroom is a melee attacker that buffs nearby Wintermint plants in PvZ2.

Popcap makes all these plants while we don't have any other modes besides Adventure, Penny's pursuit and Arena which really get boring and I really wish they have minigames (yes I know Vase breaker and Begouled are in PVZ 2) but other minigames like i Zombie, Slot Machine, and even some of the PVZ 2 minigames that got removed from the adventure mode in the latest version of the game. Not to mention last stand levels and last stand Endless should be in the game as well. The reason PVZ1 was so much fun is because there were many ways play

I feel like with the way sea shroom looks there gonna rework a little

Ice shrooms abilities are completely different, did you not do any research or did you just assume what you think makes sense? Ice Shroom recieved an extremely heavy rework, smashing zombies in melee range, emitting a chilling aura AND boosts winter mint plants. And for sea Shroom, the new grid item known as "puddles" is probably what will come with sea Shroom and make sense if we can plant on it. So please do your research.

how the hell did popcap approve of the scaredy shroom design, it looks like if a person was asked to draw scaredy shroom from memory but using their feet.