I remember when my parents paid exorbitant values for the "Hell Freezes Over" tour. I thought those prices were nuts back then.

🤣🤣🤣

Nice one 👍

Great.😀

Bahaha 🤣 it’s ironically become since decades. I got told off in 2002 for handing a singer a mic that was turned on and they went out on stage and sounded like a tone deaf munchkin. I thought I was doing the right job as an engineer! Apparently not.

😂😅

I can't really imagine Phil Collins miming. He is old school and he would rather do a bad show than a fake show.

It is supposed to be labeled as a mime show, not a concert.

Agreed!

It will be interesting to see or hear the reaction to the band when they play(or mime)in the UK this year.

Surely the question is how many other musicians are doing this and how long has this been happening?

💯 %!

Agreed!

Meanwhile McCartney is keeping it real and copping shit for it. A true hero aging gracefully.

​@@onomatopoeidiaMcCartney drops the key considerably. It's really obvious, I'm surprised you haven't noticed. And he's really sounding his age now. His voice is very shaky and unsteady.

They have to sing in a lower pitch because no one on the payroll tells them to do vocal exercises before the show.

The Stones do Satisfaction in D, not E as originally done.

I'd be pissed off if I went to a free "live" band and they lip-synced.

I’d be pretty pissed off if I’d paid £300 to see any band full stop.

@@DavidHamm-fb7nx I honestly can't think of anyone I would pay to listen to them play.

Happens more than you know.

@@DavidHamm-fb7nx Right!

To me this is close to fraud. But It is clear, at that age singing like with 40 years being, is nearly impossible.

@@clannad99germany70 Not close to fraud if you played them instruments you have in music video/and you while recording + its your voice!

@@mikekaraoke Music videos is something different than live performances IMHO !

@@clannad99germany70 The purpose of music videos is to serve as a commercial. That's why TV shows that show music videos don't pay the artists. They're broadcasting their commercials free of charge.

​@@clannad99germany70then sing as an 80 years old, you're going to be praised, morally and financially, anyway. But sing or try to!

Yep, go to up and coming bands

Yup. You get a lot of nights at the Green Note for the price of stadium ticket.

Some bands that were pretty big back in the day were still touring in the 90s at small venues. I saw Rick Deringer, Guess Who, Firefall, April Wine, Stephen Stills, in small 300 seat clubs. Foreigner, Kansas and Blue Oster cult in 500 seat venues. These are the best shows.

Good on you for keeping it honest.

Respect. I see a lot of older singers who do just this. I’ve never heard any complaints, everybody s happy to see and hear them. You and they are being real. That’s great! This total lip-synch act from a band known for vocals is outrageous. It’s so misleading. Henley fired people years ago who didn’t sound “like the record.” Now he’s doing this.

Thanks for your words, they're interesting. I'm curious about this subject, because I play only my own original songs, at my gigs. I generally function in the background, so no one is paying particular attention. As long as my music is pleasant, it adds to the environment and no one really cares what I'm playing (and I craft it carefully, so as to not have too much repetition, interesting key changes, and to be harmonically interesting.) When I sing, I use falsetto on the high notes, specifically to take the strain off of my voice (I commonly do gigs that are 3 or 4 hours in length.) I use my regular voice below the high notes. As an old guy, I believe that the use of falsetto is the only reason that I can sing my songs in their orginal keys. Singers that have popularized the sound of falsetto include Neil Young, Frankie Valli, and Barry Gibb. The problem with singing falsetto, for a lot of rock singers is that the style of the songs, often times, don't lend themselves well, to softer singing. Falsetto is inherintly a softer sound of vocal. Taking a high power rock tune, and singing the vocal part in a falsetto voice, might make the song lose a lot of its mojo. What is a rock star to do, if he can't deliver a song, and use falsetto to help with the high parts. What is he to do if loweing the key didn't work, and the audeince just won't accept a softer falsetto voice........ well, there always miming. Now, I'm going to propose something here that isn't common: It's the audience's fault. What you say ? !! The audience is paying to see something that is unrealistic. What if I told a 70 year old, that he has to squeeze into his swimsuit that he wore when he was 20. That would be unrealistic. He is not 20. His body has changed dimensions. The same thing applies to a voice, lots of times. Audiences asking a 75 year old to squeeze into his 20 year old voice, is unrealistic, just as it would be with a swim suit. To the audiences, I say: Get real. If your performer has aged 50 years, like his swimsuit, he's not going to fit into his vocals the same as it used to be, either. So, you either accept the fact that your hero isn't going to sound the same, or you accept that he's miming, or you don't go to shows expecting something that can't be delivered. At least McCartney goes out on the road and sounds crappy, some of the time, but it's really him. He's not miming. I'd say to the audience: Get real. This isn't 1974. Your heroes are not going to sound like 1974. Either accept their limitations, accept them miming, or don't go to the shows. It's that simple.

@@KenTeel Vocalists, like surgeons, must realize that they eventually lose their ability to perform like they once did because their vocal cords, like the surgeon’s fingers, have aged to the point where they no longer function well enough. At that point, the vocalist has to make a choice to retire, keep going but perform at a lower level if his/her fans allow it, change his/her repertoire to one not as challenging that he/she is capable of singing well, or, fake the performance and realize that he/she has become an actor, not a vocalist. I think many of us know a vocalist that continued to attempt performing songs that they no longer can perform well…I have always found that pitiful and cringe for the performer as he/she tries to hit the “high notes” and fails in front of their audience. For superstars, like McCartney, their super loyal fans will accept a diminished performance; that is why he is still performing at large venues even though his voice is nothing like it once was. So, superstars with huge loyal fan bases often choose to keep going until even their most loyal fans stop accepting a bad performance (that is sad…they could have gone out while still at the top instead of a has been). Then there are once high-end performers who once had lots of fans but not to the level of someone like McCartney. These are the performers that must put on a performance similar to their performances when they were in their prime (think come-back tours). These performers are the ones most likely to resort to miming. Then there are the rest of us who were never a big name act who spent a lifetime performing with various bands live and serving as background session recording singers. We really have no choice but to change our repertoire and retire when changing our repertoire is no longer enough. I always admired Les Paul. As he aged he lost more and more of his dexterity and guitar playing became less and less proficient. He faced that fact by starting to being more guest guitarists on stage with him to assist in putting on a great show. He never tried to hide the fact that his own abilities were diminishing, he made the audience aware that his fingers were failing him. The audience loved him for it and he always put in a great show right up to the week he died at near 100 years old! I am rapidly losing my singing voice and my fingers are getting worse by the day, soon I will just perform for my grand kids and great grand kids and leave the gigging and studio work to the younger, more capable performers. I wish you the best and hope you have many more years of quality performing ahead of you. Have a great day!

@@thepepperlanders You are so fortunate to still have your entire vocal range. As you know, most singers start losing range in their sixties and by the 70s have not only lost range, but some timber as well as control. The old instrument, the vocal cords, starts to show wear, but it’s also caused by wear on the diaphragm and lungs as well. I hope you are one of those vocalists that keep going well into your 80s. Have a great day, and happy music making!

"Their fans?" Half of the people in that arena probably stole money from The Eagles by downloading or streaming their music, you think they care about their "fans"? EAGLES FANS? Oh this is even funnier: "Eagles' intergrity"!!! When did the Eagles EVER have any integrity? What fans? A bunch of geriatrics and their kids? If you pay for Geriatric Rock, you get what you deserve. £300? What jackass pays £30 much less £300 to see an 80 year old rock star?

@@TTM9691 I Take you won't be going then :o)

@@ggj666 Not unless someone pays ME!🤣

amerikans love to be fooled, they pay for it gladly. 😊😊

​@@TTM9691Spot on!

Say them in that same era. MacManon Stadium in Calgary. Jesse Winchester opened. Seems to me the tickets were $18. What a show. Don't think there was any miming.

I paid $10.00 to see LED ZEPPELIN in1977 It wasn't that great of a show& that was alot of money for a single band, It was their Herron days

When I saw them it was actually‘77…my bad. Jimmy Buffet was the opening act. The encore was Buffet & Eagles joining Walsh in an awesome version of Rocky Mountain Way… Oklahoma City Ok

$800? Your mom is a moron. It's 2024. 800 bucks for Geriatric Rock? What the f**k did she expect?

'Spy gasses'!

And now, the whole world hates him. Good. Hope he's happy he ruined The Eagles Music. Can't stand it now, turn it off the second it comes on. Have for years. If I want to hear children whining, I have a few already

I wouldn’t pay a nickel to go see the Eagles now. They’ve made their money, and now it’s just a ruse.

Who or what is Fil? I agree with you.

@@Larrymh07 Fil, Wings of Pegasus a KZfaq chanel that analyses songs and he discovered that the exact same audio appeared in a lot of concerts apparently.

@@guitarman704 Ah, thank you! I've seen it. It's a terrific channel.

Good move....wish we attended w/you! #DonFelder

I saw Don Felder several years. He was one of several people who were performing and he just stood out. Effortless and amazing performance.

@pauline7425 👍👍👍 I bet you got your money's worth ... ( That's if you paid anything at all, that is) Good luck to you - I'll confess to being full-blown jealous...

He was lip syncing the entire concert.

Don Felder is somewhere laughing his ass off.

Me too, the band virtually ceased to exist after that.

Great music he wrote

Incorrect, Ian Anderson wrote it.

Don Felder shares writing credit on the song with another bandmate, he didn’t write the song by himself. Don Felder is an incredibly talented guitarist, one the best and I admire his personal integrity. There are/were other Eagles members that don’t have the same integrity and focus on money instead of honest artistic representation.

Saw them in 76 with Fleetwood Mac and Boz Scaggs opening!

Gene Simmons was very outspoken on this topic and said the same as you a number of times.... right up until his bandmate Paul Stanley starting miming for their farewell tour. 🤣

Why? What did it say?

Also asking why, so I get a notification if there's a response. Quite curious.

Dave, you're a very wise person ...

​@@DRourkI've read it to, great book. Henley comes off as a huge jerk, Glenn Frey was only marginally better. Let's put it this way, they only cared about money, and treated Bernie Leadon and Randy Meisner badly. Felder was also shafted. Hee had to sign a NDA so he can't talk about the settlement he got from the Eagles, but I reckon he was paid off millions, after all, he wrote most of the music for Hotel California!

Me and my Uncle Elmer are two of them! Now stop singing "All She Wants to do is Dance!"

@@tod3msn Eh... ah... he doesn't make glue, on the side, does he ? Kidding aside. I agree with you. Stop playing Henley's songs. They were mediocre enough when he sang them, you don't need to double that. Write your own tunes. Play your own tunes. With some practice you can get pretty good at it. With practice you can write songs that are as good as Don's. I know that you don't believe that, but it's true. I've done it. I've played tons of gigs with my own songs. People dig 'em. Writing is not rocket science. It's a craft. You can learn how to do it, just by doing it. It's just a matter of practice. Just like any other craft. Allow yourself to be creative. Don't be hard on yourself as you learn (you'll spoil your motivation, that way.) Expect errors. Expect an evolution, and most of all: Keep on learning about the craft. Don't be afraid to be original.

So that’s where the £300 per concert ticket goes?

That’s why I don’t do Eagles videos here on KZfaq. They’ll be forgotten in the online world

I think you have mate, it’s probably more common than we know. Don’t blame yourself

If only!

@@iamtjwalker MAKE UP A SIGN PUSH TO THE FRONT ARE YOU MIMING DON

Eh? He does. He says the bloke’s name, he says the channel’s name, and he says it’s very good.

See the last Genesis tour, Phil Collins did something, struggeling in every moment, but he mostily failed, impossible to sing as it was before. Realities.

You saw them at their peak.

They had sound problems years ago in Des Moines. They were booed off the stage. The crowd hadn’t putting up with anything but hard rock n roll. Taj Mahal played that nite too I recall. Way too expensive these days..

Yeah, of course, THAT'S when you go see The Eagles. In 1977. Not in 2024! What the hell do these idiots expect? Anyone who pays more than £30 much less £300 to see ANY Geriatric Rock is an imbecile for whom I have absolutely no sympathy for. I hope The Eagles are laughing all the way to the bank.

This is true.

This is true, IMO. 20 years ago in '04 I paid about 130 Australian dollars (AUD) to get the very cheapest seats to an outdoor nighttime Eagles concert That would be around AUD215 now, or US$140, or GB£115. There's no way you'd catch me doing that again...

True all the way

Just buy the DVD! Cheaper and you get a much better view!

I'm glad I wasn't imagining it!

I noticed this too with his live performances. Many praise Freddie Mercury, but Freddie was all too aware of his limitations and at times couldn't hit the high notes, and like Bowie, would rearrange the song into something different and still sound great.

I saw Jackson Browne a couple of years ago in concert, and it was similar with him. He's lowered the keys of some songs and definitely sounds different singing then, but I really enjoyed it! I almost liked it better, the texture and expression of age is nothing to be ashamed of! It can be an asset!

Good idea!

So far no tapes from 2015 line up, so far the miming looks like it's been going on since at least 2017.

The Howard Stern thing was about 2015.....singing live in a dropped key.

I saw them in 2005 and was amazed at how much they sounded like the album. Maybe they were doing it then.

I'll be honest when we saw them in Florida and around 2004 I was skeptical at how good it sounded. I'm a bit of an audio file nerd and have their albums on high resolution formats. Their concerts sounded like a CD. Maybe they were that good then?

@@michaelkeudel8770 They've been relying on pre-recorded vocals to some degree since the Long Road Out of Eden Tour in 2008. Check out recordings of the track "Waiting in the Weeds" from that era, if you can find any.

I don’t think McCartney mimes, but he has the band to beef up his vocals.

Unfortunately Paul Rodgers is the exception rather than the rule. That fella is still incredible live.

Yeah, it surprised me when I noticed!

I loved that band. Ed's got a precarious job!

guy lol no one cares

I think you're right......I wish I'd seen Fil's video after I'd been as I probably wouldn't have noticed 😀 ps: really enjoying his channel now I've found it!

@@iamtjwalker I'm glad you like his channel, JT. He's a straight shooter and will not lead you wrong. I do hope you'll go to the concert, enjoy yourself and "Take it to the Limit!"

Found the Republican.

Now there's an idea! I still want to see them though!

It was difficult to watch, but at least he can’t be accused of faking his vocals.

​@sparkman1952 I'd rather have him sing it badly than lip synching. Elton John quit touring, it's not the end of the world.

Jesus, the guy is 81 years old. He was asked to perform at a tribute show. The last show he performed was 6 months prior. Who the hell can do anything like they used to, at 81? Vocals are tough at that age. His piano playing was perfect

@@malinwj1167 I appreciate he may have wished to appear as a tribute to Buffet, but a few sentences may have been a better choice. The eagles also need to stop. Time catches up with us all.

@@johnchance1959 Huh? He was Jimmy's friend and they bonded musically. It was a show of performances. He's not going to show up and not play

It would be fraud.

Thanks! Shame I won't get to see Steely Dan like you did!

I wouldn't be surprised if Vince Gill is still singing live. He's about 10 years younger than Don, Timothy and Joe.

Steely Dan in 2024? Isn't one of them dead? Donald Fagen had to cancel shows because he had to go in to the hospital. What are you possibly expecting? And PS: it wasn't a "great" show. You went and saw two cover bands pretending to be The Eagles and Steely Dan. There are no "great shows" coming out of these people anymore. First off: the audiences suck! Who wants to go to a rock and roll show with a bunch of rich people, fat boomers with their obnoxious kids pretending they're at a real rock concert? I was given tickets to McCartney a few years ago, I was embarrassed.

@@johnwoods2736 The last time I saw Eagles was the first tour for Vince Gill. I know for a fact he was singing live because he flubbed the opening line of 'New Kid In Town' so badly that they stopped and restarted the song.

Agree I saw Micky and Mike Nesmith in 2019 and Mr Dolenz was in great voice. To be honest he had one of the great voices of the '60s.

Nesmith and Dolenz came out here to Christchurch NZ around 2020, but they performed as "The Mike & Mickey Show" rather than trying to pretend they were The Monkees. It's ironic that a band that was derided for years as fake now has far more musical integrity than a lot of other bigger name artists.

@@terryhall3960 well said

Oh, they obviously knew. I lost respect for Walsh a long time ago.

They are paid employees nothing more. Don Henley and Frey’s widow own all shares of the band and its name it’s why Felder quit. Frey and Henley bought everyone out and made them hired touring musicians.

Thank you for your explanation . I have zero musical knowledge of how things work and wondered. I saw the eagles with Jimmy buffet in the hotel California tour. Joe Walsh burned the house down with Rocky Mt way. The encore was desperado. We were 8th row floor. I loved John Denver, and saw him several times. During the middle of one song he broke a guitar string, said whoa, put in the new string, no roadies, tuned the guitar and ... let's try this again. Alabama best concert band ever. Cheers, Patricia

I love Don Henley’s solo stuff and I never knew he did a Cass County tour in the UK. Gutted to have missed that. I saw the Eagles on the History of the Eagles tour quite a few years back and said I wouldn’t go again as Henley really struggled with the high notes all night - not his fault, but it just wasn’t the same as previous Eagles tours I’d been to. A good friend of mine saw them a few years later and said the vocals were perfect, so I assumed the concert I saw had been an off night. Got tickets to see them in Manchester in 2 weeks time and now I’m wondering if Henley really does mime and that’s why his vocals improved so much. I think you can use Autotune live. Could it be that’s what they are doing? Anyway, I am going with someone who has never seen them before and who has wanted to see them for years, so whatever happens, I’ll enjoy him enjoying it.

@@stuartroberts7904 Yes you can use Autotune live, but there is no electronic gizmo that will perfectly align your phrasing and timing, other than a recording.

The tribute bands don't mime😀

I’d rather see Joe Walsh by himself and I have.

@@iamtjwalker hahh! true story. altho, methinks he’s implying here, that when the eagles elected to mine, they were no longer the eagles. but an eagles tribute band. thus, ‘you’ve paid t’see an eagles tribute band mime!’ purely solely and only needling you. as im certain you’re well aware. what a great time ive had watching this video! thank you

Three members of eagles been there since 70,s don't think it s a tribute band!

@@dannybryan2398 Neither Timothy B. Schmidt nor Joe Walsh are members of the Eagles. They have never been more than hired hands. The only member of the Eagles is Henley.

I know....it's looking like it might not happen....miming or not!

Your paying to SEE The Eagles, there's no contract other than for them to show up and stand onstage. If someone is that idiotic to pay £300 to see The Eagles, or any Geriatric Rock band, they get what they paid for. He SAW The Eagles. That's what we say right? "I saw the band at the club last night". I'm sure they were playing their guitars, so there you go, they played, they performed. No one got defrauded; you're paying to clap at people who have given you your life's music, not for them to pretend they're still 26 years old. If you're too stupid to know you're not seeing musicians in their prime, whose fault is that? As soon as a band starts adding back up singers and extra keyboardists and percussionists and stuff like that - which all these bands have been doing since the 80s - you're already not getting the real article, what alternative reality have you been living in?

Re Randy Meisner, my thoughts exactly. Oh the irony!

@@TTM9691 you sound very angry, calm down!

@@goodshipharmony Angry? No, doofus, I'm pissing my pants with laughter! The complete opposite! You might want to focus on content rather than how people "sound" to you. And PS: Just because you're steeped in mediocrity doesn't mean I have to be. A person who pays money to go see "rockers" in their 70s and 80s, and then expects them to sound like the record, or even do a good show, are the most laughable pathetic half-wits to ever draw breath. Any questions, dopey?

I saw them in 2009 and thought the same thing. Vocals were too good to be true

A double bill of miming! I would be very surprised if Michael McDonald is miming....I think he still does it live.

I did a gig with severe laryngitis could not let the venue down, couldn't hit a single note, struggled through two hours singing lead and playing bass. After the show a kid came up to me and said I had an amazing blues voice.....

Ian said he didn't mind, thought it was different enough with the different lyrics but yeah, I was shocked when I heard it for the first time recently, how close HC is to it. I played it to a friend who's a big Eagles fan, and he said "blantant rip off of HC!" until I told him the date of the JT song. He was also shocked. Ian Anderson said both songs shared a very common chord progression, and didn't think it was worthy of a copyright case/lawsuit.

You people have become a stuck record.

Now there's a brilliant songwriter and musician.

Seeing as how there hasn’t been an original chord progression in a hundred years it doesn’t matter.

Ha yes....I guess I am being a bit of a southerner there! I always thought bands would do some gigs in the south and some in the north.....I can imagine it's annoying if they only do London. I live near Brighton so I have to go "up north" for almost everything.....but Manchester takes a lot longer than London!

I didn’t know that…..feel bad now! Glad you like the song.

Yeah, he’s great on Live from Daryl’s House, that’s a good show.

No, you did a great Appraisal. If you don't have the information how could you know? It was not a critical comment. Just information that's all. Great song, that's why I like it.

LOL. Who are you kidding, Sandy, you're not "supporting" them and haven't supported ANY artists since streaming and downloading came in? That's why they're touring, as a cash grab since they don't get paid from royalties anymore. Duh! The "fans" ripped off the bands a long, long time ago, they don't owe anyone a thing. You pay to see the band - "I saw The Eagles last night", see how that sentence works? - and I'm sure they strummed their guitars, so they performed according to the contracts. If someone is too stupid to realize that someone in their 70s or 80s can't sing like they used to, they deserve to get ripped off.

He is also a really bad singer.

He looks like an eagle. Could be the mascot

I suspect it's all those parties he went to ... sometimes until 4 😉

@@stevepitts7998 in his defense it is in fact hard to leave when you can’t find the door. In all seriousness though Joe is a national treasure

His expression is always "I just smelled someone else's fart and I'm about to puke"

I spent the money to see Steely Dan but now can't get a refund because they were the support.

No before that, whenthey f×××××× Feder over. No when Henley insisted Randy Miesner sing his high part in Taking it go the Limit, and it hurt his throat. What a shit head.

And when Felder left the band.

Frey was even more of a tosser than Henley

Actually.

ive seen the eagles, 2007 i think, brilliant!! can no longer afford their prices, seen the illegal eagles and i agree.....illegal...cheaper..but...brilliant!!!

@@ChrisOsborne-pr1iy there are a lot of tribute bands about who are as good as the originals……Rumours of Fleetwood Mac are another great tribute band and they are endorsed by Mick Fleetwood himself.

@@bethany5688 i can second that!! myself and the wife saw rumours of fleetwood mac, excelent!! i have also seen trextasy, another great triute band!

@@ChrisOsborne-pr1iy oooh need to look out for them👍

Nearly Dan are very good. Seen twice.

Haven't seen that....must look that up!

Considering Daltrey’s age and the part that he’s doing, I would give him a pass. Henley is a vindictive, humorless anal wart that has nothing but extreme contempt for the fans.

A little help? More like cheating.

As a fan of the Who but not the Eagles, this one hurts much more.

@@ichirofakename He only does it for that part of the song

You bet it is coming from a bunch of 'Lyin' Guys'. I can remember in the late 60', early 70's it was about the same money to catch a top band live or buy their latest album that they're promoting on the road. The price that some of these so called legends charge for a catch us before we die gig and then mime is nothing but fraud. Very disrespectful to all those record buying, concert going fans that in the early days, turned them into superstars - for a while.

Life in the fake lane...

Brilliant....Bruce is a great singer.

Paul Rodgers (Bad Company) mixed up the words of Burning Sky yet was fine with it to even include it on the live album. And . yes, he still sounded good.

Ha thanks.....I must record it properly and release it!!

You should. It's a good tune man! Thanks for the video and laugh.

I think I wouldn't mind that so much ....it's kind of expected!

Of course he's not! What do you expect? Why would anyone be surprised? You're paying to SEE them. If you pay for some 80 year old to sing Won't Get Fooled Again, or Hey Jude, or anything else, and you expect them to sound like they did when they were 20, then you're a moron! People are just now starting to figure this out? All these bands have been doing this since the 80s and 90s! Why do you think they all added back up singers and percussionists and keyboardists and second guitarists?