Billy kills me : They're really good! Spirit kills me : Wow they have a good headset

Scott: Aiming at a survivor's ass covers all their options. Me, a killer main trying to improve with Huntress: _Write that down, write that down-_

We all know the ultimate form of counterplay is just disconnecting.

Lets be real, pyramid head is the most interactive killer at windows and pallets. You get to choose how you die, how fun. 10/10

Deathslinger for me is like going against a clown, i just drop pallets super early and then wish i was doing my taxes as I was playing the game cause then I'd at least feel productive

spirit is definitely the only killer where you don’t have to guess what she’s doing 100% no mind games or guessing 100% fair and fun loops

Players: Deathslinger isn't fun because he removes any interactive element from looping and turns windows and pallets into death zones. BHVR: OK, his long range seems to be the problem. Let's reduce the range and make him a 115% speed killer who can Mori you after 2 hooks.

I was skeptical about this video, but the plastic knife really sealed the deal. 10/10, More plastic knife reviews please

The entire counterplay to killers like Nurse, Spirit and Deathslinger (being piloted by good players ofc) is just "spread out, do generators, don't interact with the killer" and that's just shitty design imo

The dude that accepted was probably like "You fool! You thought it was my plan to show you 'counterplay', but really all I wanted was to play with popular DbD players!"

Deathslinger defenders remind me of Peacekeeper defenders when For Honor came out. Peacekeeper had a unreactable attack, at the time, Peacekeeper mains used to reply the usual "You're bad, slow reaction times." Till one day a dude on reddit actually did the math factually proving it was unreactable. Props to that guy

5:13 Console players Laughs in one guess per second

at least spirit has to stand still for me to feel outplayed - deathslinger out here just existing

After watching the whole video I was thinking about how to word this but I think one of the bigger problems here is how non-committal a lot of these killer powers are starting to become. Let's look at Huntress, I love huntress she's great. Whenever a Huntress lifts the hatchet to prep for a throw she is now committing to lifting the hatchet, there's a windup time, a slowdown while she has it armed, and even a decent put away time. In comparison Pyramid head has almost no delay from exiting his "ranged mode" to being able to m1 the survivor. This makes it so if the survivor keeps running through a pallet they're looping while he is preparing a ranged attack, it doesn't matter as he just puts it away and hits you in the back anyways. Same deal with Freddy, why does Freddy have zero commitment to putting down his traps when killers like the Trapper, and Hag have to stop what they're doing to actually utilize their power. It becomes a very unfun design style to go against and obviously this isn't even covering things that Scott talked about like Deathslinger's non react-able shot.

I just love running with my friend away from death slinger and i just see him getting dragged away from me like that sence where Patrick and spongebob are running away from sandy and sandy grabs patrick

"It's not fun to just hold W and put shit in the way in between you and hope that there's stuff there" When did we start talking about Clown?

Absolutely love these types of videos. Just listening to someone who has so much raw knowledge about dbd is very interesting. I honestly like these video more than your stream highlights. Would still watch them though. Keep up the great work!

I love talking about Spirit on for example reddit specifically r/deadbydaylight and it always comes down to "bugs = features" for example hearing her phasing when in her TR or her hair going up bc it spawns a clone and the hair can act weird literal bugs

As a plague main, its very fun to ask the question "are they going to cleanse right next to my 3 gen and both exit gates, or in the empty corner 50 feet away?" The answer is always as close to the objectives as possible

10:07 Welp, Jane must be crying right now

Interesting ideas. Maybe for a future video we can talk about killer’s frustrations?

I love watching your videos. I recently discovered your channel and it’s by far one of my favorite dbd channels. I love dbd, but I don’t like how flawed some things can be. So I think it’s great that you can talk about some of issues with the game in a calm and thoughtful way. Keep up the good work.

I love these type of videos that you've been doing a lately, these are questions that I've always asked myself as well, so it's very nice to actually see what other people think.

The game has reached such a design creep in Killers that the Devs had to make the choice to create Killers that were challenging and interactive for only one side. High skill ceilings in certain Killers ends up requiring the Killer to make a mistake in order for them to 'lose'. While Spirit does need a clarity update, Killers like Deathslinger, Huntress, and Nurse are designed to be very strong when played at maximum efficiency, and these Killers are difficult to keep in-line with other Killers in strength without gutting them. Would removing these Killers make the game more balanced in a Tournament setting? Yes, but skill expression is a huge enjoyment factor for Killers, and removing anything with a high skill expression will only make the game stale and boring.

Been living the new style of video hope you keep doing them man love these more face to face style discussion videos

You make some great points! Good video, been liking these sit-down talks about DbD, it's really interesting to see your point of view and hear your opinions on things!

i love to just drink my tea and listen to these videos, keep them coming

There should be a deadbydaylight dungeons and dragons because of how random anything can be

please keep these discussion videos coming, your insight and wisdom about this game is very useful

I would say pyramid head is another killer that can zone you by doing nothing. Really well made video Scott ! Love these discussion type videos

Scott: My god, that’s a lot of talking Otz: Am I a joke to you?

idk if this is anyone else’s feelings, but i think pyramid head has free zoning as well, albeit harder to hit. if he is close enough behind you, you are literally unable to drop a pallet or vault one, as he will just get a free hit on you; if you keep running, he will get a free hit on you; if you turn to loop it, you have slight counterplay, but he basically can zone you out from the only protections you have. i get that he is a newer killer so i don’t have a whole lot of experience against him, but i feel as if suffers similarly to deathslinger.

Keep making these great videos Scott. I love these game related discussions. About deathslinger, I like to play against him because of his theme and this kind of thing. I usually don't think about balance during my gameplays, just remembering it when people use moris and key, OP stuff. My most feared killer is my main, trapper. I only play solo, so the fear of there being a trap randomly on a loop and not knowing about it is huge. I would rather face a one shot killer than trapper, because at least the looping isn't changed the way it does when playing against him. And I know he isn't that strong. Many counterplays, but still my nightmare.

I think that pyramid head is a HUGE issue right now. When I play with friends we all dread him, he has no cool down between swapping from his m2 to his m1 and vise versa. If you try to loop a pyramid head on a window or pallets, he can simply m2 you. If you try to dodge his m2 he can m1 you in a similar fashion as deathslinger. No only this but he’s 115 movement speed and a way stronger killer overall than death slinger. Just wish you talked about him a little bit. Great vid!

If someone knows how to really play against a spirit, then will be able to read her mind games, no matter what she’s doing. Just by for example how long she‘s phasing, a lot of this "guessing" becomes knowledge because her phase walk is just 5 seconds long. If you completely understand her power and what she’s able to do and what she’s not able to do, she can definitely be countered. Of course she‘s not that easy to counter, but she’s at least one killer that is viable against all red rank survivors. And she gives both the players that is playing her as well as the survivor a good feeling, if they outplayed the other side, because they could read the mind game of the other side.

Damn, scott is pumping em out lately. I like that, its good to get the community talking.

I love this format of video a ton, if you ever feel you have something you'd like to spark discussion on, please don't hesitate to make one of these!

I think there's some basic counterplay to Deathslinger as a whole, but it doesn't really effect the 1v1 too much. I think the absolute best thing to do is never ever drop a pallet when you're healthy, since he'll just harpoon and injure you for free. When healthy, just try to waste time. Hold W and run around trees and walls. Make sure to have a plan for where to go once he shoots you. When injured, throw the pallet a bit early. It acts as a makeshift wall. They'll just break it if they're smart, but if not, you can play around them pretty easily. If every player does this, then it's a lot easier to go against him. If nobody wastes pallets while healthy, then you'll save that half of all pallets for when you're injured. You just want to always heal people and always be healthy so you can waste that extra bit of his time on a healthy "loop". Also, if he ever hooks you at a dropped pallet or any weird structure where he needs to let you break off, don't struggle at all. Waste as much time as possible. If they have STBFL and you're the obsession, never ever struggle while harpooned and healthy. STBFL is my favorite perk to run on him, but I've only ever seen someone do this once. I was using the rickety chain, though, so it didn't really affect me. Side note: It's quite an underrated add-on, in my opinion; it synergizes so well with STBFL, and the downside is honestly not even relevant the rest of the time. The extra bloodpoints are nice, and it's common, too, so I've got a ton.

In the next video you should talk about how this game is based around luck and how the game can go depends on what map you get

I really love these discussion videos, but I feel like they could profit from illustration. When you talk about L-T-walls most people know, but I feel like the appeal of your talk would be much wider if you included even paint-level illustrations. Still a great discussion.

Luckily I’m still in the sweet spot of mid ranks as survivor where the Spirits are decent but aren’t gods, and I do actually have fun playing against them, because there is actually some reward to the risk when you can out predict them.

These videos are really interesting to listen to. Would love if you could add any images or video to illustrate your points. I get that its way more work on the videos though.

I know how to counter death slinger and spirit 100% of the time but I can’t tell anyone how, you just have to trust me.

Thank you Lord of Donuts!

idk if you or zub would be down but I would LOVE to hear y'all argue dbd stuff lol. I'm loving your regular uploads and think having another person talking on the subject would make these videos even better.

what if they made it so the second the Deathslinger shoots, a loud ping is heard from his harpoon notifying that he committed to the shot then the millisecond after the ping is heard the harpoon is shot. this way the survivor has an audio warning knowing when its time to actually start tryna juke the shot. similarly with spirit, when shes phasing right next to you not knowing whether or not shes faking it or not. they can make it so if you shine a flashlight on her body while shes standing still, the flashlight shines through a phasing spirit notifying the survivor that she is actually phasing.

I feel like I've impacted creation of this video quite a bit. I would agree with you that fair guesses would be healthy for DBD if they were equalised. If there weren't things like safe tiles where survivor is always favored or things like stacked jungle gyms. If devs made gameplay fair for both sides then yes nerfs for killers that force prediction based gameplay would be deserved nerfs then. Unfortunately, survivors have large amount of overly safe tiles and setups. Once those are gone and looping can't be abused to create no-mindgame tiles then overly opressive chase killers that force prediction based gameplay would be deserving of nerfs. Gameplay as of now isn't fair for both sides so nerfing near uncounterable / very hard to counter gameplay of killers is undeserved. Some changes can be done (like the fix for M2 spam to DS or no idication of phasing for spirit) but complete power change just can't happen now.

I like this conversation. In chases you make constant educated choices and predictions based on info. Versus just blindly guessing

Instead of a trigger, make deathslinger's gun fire with a crank. You have to hold m1 down for a few seconds and if you let go before it's fully cranked, it misfires and stuns you for a bit. The winding crank would make a very audible clicking/cranking sound and would have a distinct animation. Comes with the added bonus of having deathslinger's gun make more realistic sense than a rifle not exploding from its barrel being jammed. Maybe it's explained away in deathslinger's lore, but a crank would mean you'd have to jump through fewer hoops and suspend less disbelief..

On my good headset, loud sounds, I can hear her footsteps on any ground... kinda scary since I CAN’T hear her phase when she’s anywhere near me when phasing or the body frozen when phasing. Is it a glitch, or something up with spirit’s phasing I don’t know about?

The only ounce of counterplay to deathslinger is that when he’s aiming down sights there’s a ringing sound when you’re within range of getting shot but if he’s quick scoping then you won’t hear it so what’s the point of it being there?

This issue also extends to demogorgon and pyramid head to some degree, while they both have some penalty for holding / tapping m2 whereas deathslinger has almost none, if the survivor gives any respect for the power then the killer 'won' the exchange, the survivor lost distance for respecting the power. This is most problematic on vaults and pallets with pyramid head, since unlike with deathslinger and demogorgon even if you manage to complete the action you can still get hit. I also find it noteworthy that earlier killers such as huntress, bubba and doctor to some degree, they all lose distance for canceling / misusing their powers, but newer killers like deathslinger and pyramid head have extremely minimal wind up to their powers and canceling them is also very quick and they don't get slowed nearly as much as earlier killers. This difference makes newer killers much more oppressive in chases, because what should be killer mistakes / misplays when using their power don't get punished nearly as much, resulting in the 'free zoning' which makes certain tiles or even whole games extremely boring and unpleasant, as attempting to play around the killer's power against a good killer player nearly always results in a net negative to your situation.

the counter to deathslinger and spirit is ez, just DC

I kinda feel this way about ph at a pallet because if he puts his sword in the ground he gets no penalty for faking it and if you throw down the pallet he hits you with his ability, but if he fakes it he gets a free hit, the only way to really counter it is because of the killers mistakes.

I understand about spirit and slinger but guys I love playing ghostface and I finished the chase before it even started but the gens ? what do you think guys map size or gen speed since my favorite killer doesn’t have mobility

hello Deathslinger main here, before him i was a Doctor main. I completly agree with you. Half the time I use his power is right before a survivor is about to vault or go through a pallet and majority of the time i don't have to shoot. They usually "predict" me shooting at them and run past/ away from said window or pallet. its also very good for catching up to a far survivor is you pull your gun up every few seconds. they bolt left or right and lose their momentum making it easier just to M1.

These videos are just great, hearing good arguements from an experienced player is so enjoyable, because we can relate to them.

For the most part I do agree about spirit. But I have spent a lot of time playing her ever since she came out; she’s my favorite killer( not bc she’s op, but because of her design etc.) And I don’t know if you noticed it, but you can actually hear her footsteps when she’s phasing which can kinda help and tell you how close she is and even the direction she’s coming from if you’re good at listening and have a good headset obviously. If I’m playing against a good spirit, especially if she has stridor, I try very hard to listen to her footsteps and when I hear her being super close, I just start spinning in different directions, it confuses the hell out of her, which for me, at least, works quite well a lot of the time. I’m definitely not saying that it’s a counterplay to her, but it does work for me quite a lot of time. As for stridor, I never use this perk when playing spirit, because it’s super confusing, since those who don’t have iron will become like super loud which actually isn’t that good for u since you may think that they’re closer than they actually are. And you basically have to chase everyone at least once to know if they have iron will or not and remember it. But maybe it’s just me. I’m rank 1, and I consistently get 3-4K as spirit without stridor. As for her footsteps, you can hear them quite distinctly if the chase music isn’t playing. They sound like barefeet and the sound actually changes depending on the surface she’s walking on( wood, stone, mud, grass) for exapmle if you’re looping her at the shack, you can tell if she’s in the shack or not by those footsteps sounds. But it’s quite important to break the chase, so you don’t hear the chase music.

I used to think Deathslinger was ok but I changed my mind. There's almost no counterplay against him, even less than against Spirit. Spirit can be awful but there are things you can try to do to confuse her. Deathslinger can just snipe you almost instantly and there's nothing you can do about it. I think he needs a change: his aim has decreased accuracy which is nullified after holding the aim for 1 second. If you shoot immediately after pressing M2, as most Deathslingers do, your shot will get randomly off-target and you'll most likely miss. Hold the aim for 1 second and your aim is perfect. There, Deathslinger gets just enough counterplay to make him far more skillful to use and survivors can't be so pointlessly sniped anymore. As for Spirit, she needs two things: 1) Make it clear when she is phasing. I'd just bring back the whoosh sound effect while you are within husk's terror radius, there's no reason to hide it. 2) Make her hear survivor sound effects undirectionally while phasing, meaning that even if you equip Stridor, you won't be able to immediately tell the direction and distance to your victim and go straight into them like a homing missile. You have to use sound like sonar and make guesses where they are. It's no longer going to be the case of headphones=win. Pyramid Head also needs an adjustment, he can just hold M2, cancel it and immediately hit you if you are in range. There should be a small delay between cancelling his power and attacking, otherwise it's not possible to escape him in several situations.

What if Deathslinger's harpoon range and duration of being hooked (reeling duration) is directly dependant on how long he aims down his sight? Like Deathslingers would have to "charge" his aim, and be rewarded for precision rather than quickscopes. Quickstep could still work within very short range, but reeling duration is much much lower and range is much much lower. Patience and precision is rewarded and survivor's still have a chance to escape to obstacles that can break line of sight.

I could listen to Scott talk about DBD all day

Scott, can you make a video on all the killers discussing who is most fun to play as vs how hard they are to learn? Or discuss the killers and their strategy in general

You should invite Truetalent to a kyf, cause he does "outplay" spirits on his streams

Yeah, Deathslinger can mind game just by existing, unfortunately this applies to a lot of perks as well on both sides. Is there a way to fix all of it without drastically changing the game?

Can we get some basic ms paint for visuals? Im more visual than auditory.

dude i love these videos, it really weird. i could listen to this man for hours.

"Simply by existing he is out playing me" Scott you might have been outplayed by a deathslinger but what about clown? I've been outplayed by a clown before....

As a good Slinger main I can say that if u play him long enough you would know when they usually shoot. There are enough obstacles in the game that force slinger to shoot from certain angle . And that’s what his counter play means . Good slinger will 100% go for a hard to make shot , otherwise he deliberately decreases chase potential. Let’s assume : surv is about to run to other side of the hill and good slinger will 100% go for a shot right before surv hides behind hill . In conclusion: unlike spirit , playing deathslinger is the only way to learn how to counter him, not by dodging(works sometimes) but by memorizing slinger’s pattern

There are also very common practices like getting to know mind of deathslinger, they will always preshoot u when ur about to vault and you can very well juke that. Better deathslingers however do wait a bit or check if the item in the hand disappears. Also I as deathslinger barely shoot people who try to juke me cuz it's too hard when the survivors is too far, but they are loosing alot of speed, so survivor should know of when to juke and when to run more straight. Also using crouch can really mess up deathslinger shots from my exp. Also most high wall tyle loops can counter him and take alot of time from him as well

Legit question: what if during phasing spirit had scratch marks? That fixes nothing I’m guessing.

Would you say Demo is on the same page as Deathslinger or Spirit in terms of guessing, where he can just zone you for free?

Don’t know if it’s just me but I find just deathslingers overall vibe makes him so fun to go against. Him and oni, while his power is active, are the only two killers that are just plain scary. The fact that you can hear the gunshot in the distance and how loud it is, and just the thought of getting fucking shot always makes me get a little adrenaline rush and it’s fun. That reason alone is why I personally love facing a deathslinger

Would making it so deathslinger can’t hit people through windows make him significantly more fun to play against? It would definitely need compensation buffs as he would be losing one of his greatest strengths but he could still get the first hit from his chain breaking and it would just have him playing windows normally for the down.

Food for thought: I think Spirit/DS would be much more okay if you had more time to gauge their patterns beforehand. At most, in a match where you get triplehooked by a Spirit/DS, (and assuming there's no chases where you get hit, but they let you go, but you get healed after each hook) you have SIX points in which you go up against their power and five that you can actually learn from (because the sixth is death). As opposed to looping, which is pretty much a constant back and forth where the Killer and Survivor are constantly trying to get into each others' heads and try to estimate what future actions will be like. You can't really make that same kind of prediction with a DS/Spirit power use, you really do just have to guess.

i agree with you about deathslinger. i feel a similar way about freddy and his traps and sleeping mechanic he just gets to make us sleep and do gens slower for free with the chain add on.

Deathslinger isn’t really a guessing game that needs to be changed. You can see the harpoon coming if you are only slightly far away. I don’t know if I just have quick reaction time. But I can see it coming when I’m about 5 meters away. But to be fair. It is usually because of his arm raising up.

Spirit is like if you're playing poker and your opponent always have at least a pair of aces

simple idea to slightly change deathslinger. What if instead of instantly shooting you he had to aim for a second to charge his shot or something. Maybe the tip of his gun would glow a bit to signify when its ready.

How would you change deathslinger?

I’ve got to admit, before this video I thought you were anti-mindgame or anti-prediction. In the last video you did like this I kind of used that for most of my point in my comment. I found you through TrueTalent when the whole Spirit counterplay thing happened, and I still enjoyed both of you but just understood that you both were arguing two different points in the discussion. After listening to this I get what you meant about “boring” killers, and I fully agree. A lot of the time I look at a killer and survivor interaction based on the two players rather than their base kits (which is a slippery slope when it comes to DbD) I saw it more as a fighting game where you were trying to condition the other side to do what you want. But in DbD it doesn’t really work like that. Sure there are things killers can do to lull survivors into a false sense of security, and definitely things survivors can do to confuse and disorient a killer. But that stops mattering when you have higher level players. A good killer knows what they can and can’t do along with what the survivor will try, and same thing for the survivor’s side. I guess I didn’t realize when I argued for Spirit and Deathslinger having “mind games” it was mostly in this mindset. There are plenty of times where I feel powerless on either side, and I agree that that is what is most boring about the game. I liked how you brought up the “severity vs. reward” idea too, because that kind of put things into perspective as well. With many killers they don’t have a lot of tools to help them around loops, which is why we might pass off some of their other “mind games” as having counterplay. Deathslinger is a perfect example because I personally believe he is a terrible (but fun) killer, but gets dragged along to the top of peoples’ lists because of the lack of counterplay and the pressure that brings. Honestly I think a good idea for the game could be to rework, buff, and maybe even nerf killers so they have more tools to work with at loops while reducing the amount of guessing for survivors while not at one. Of course that’s not up to us but hopefully discussions like this help. P.S. I personally think you could make Deathslinger a better killer just by allowing his chain to pull survivors over/through pallets (kind of like how huntress hits over them) and then maybe nerfing the speed he can pull up his gun by a half a second or so to account for this. P.P.S You could also make it so either his reload is faster, he has multiple shots, or walks faster when reloading if you really wanted to make him a threat.

I have a question. Would you consider spirit at a loop while you're uninjured a fair guess? While the survivor is injured I would agree it's unfair, as your cries of pain will give the spirit enough information where your location isn't a guess anymore to them. If you're uninjured though, with there no longer being collision with the survivor in the spirit realm, both sides would have an equal opportunity to outplay each other, no? Would removing sound during phasing make spirit a killer with good mind game potential for both sides? I find when I'm uninjured I have very fun interactions with spirits, but once I'm injured it's just a matter of time.

What are your thoughts on Pyramid Head. I see alot of people putting him in the same league as Deathslinger. Personally I disagree.

This kind of content is fuckin amazing scott, keep it up

Hey Scott I have an idea for spirit they could add that would make her easier to play against. What if they gave you a heartbeat to hear to dictate where she is or give her a faint outline so you can partly see where she is while phasing.

Dead by daylight really does need to keep away from chance gameplay and rely heavily more on skillful outplay. My question to you Scott would be how does behavior do this as equal as possible for both sides moving forward. There are a lot of variables that come into play as soon as a game starts for both sides. How does dead by daylight get away from efficeincy and chance gameplay and begin to rely more on skillful play. Would love to sit down and legit just talk about the game possibilities with you. Great video!

How do you feel about executioners guessing?

There's a difference between a read and blind guessing and guess which is a lot more satisfying to get correctly and feels less bad when you get it wrong?

Here's a changes to these killers that I'd recommend, based on what you said. Spirit: Spirit no longer leaves the husk, survivors can see when she's gone into Phase-Walk and when she's not, but whilst in phase-walk, it drains much slower if she stands still, so she can still attempt to juke the survivor Deathslinger: Maybe to fire a shot, he needs to charge it up for half a second which creates a sound, and then release the attack button to shoot. This makes it so he can't shoot instantaneously, and can't win a chase by doing nothing but holding up his gun, since survivors would hear the sound, meaning he has to fire the shot. Maybe this would only be hearable within 8m though, so from further away he has more of a chance.

Scott, i think the ayrun tech may be a good counter to the deathslinger

I personally like facing spirit. You can still hear her footsteps on grass and shit, you can see the grass move, Spine Chill is a bigger counter to her than iron will, etc. I find her really fun. Also, when people say that all Spirit needs is a good set of headphones/stridor, it kind of irritates me because she also takes prediction and understanding survivor psychology. Yes, her audio is very important to her kit, but prediction even more so. Also, that is the counterplay to spirit. Use your ears and Spine Chill to have a really good informed decision on where they are and wut they are doing. Pain Reliever's video against spirit shows this really well.

If only dbd devs listened to Scott's videos...

I’d say they should make deathslinger’s ads time slower for both startup and cooldown but make him a 115% move speed killer so he has better map pressure and not able to zone survivors as easily.

man i love these videos everyday

Just make it so deathslinger has to stand still to look down ADS, maybe even add a movement speed penalty for a second once he leaves it. Spirit body needs to vanish when she isn't phasing so you can listen for the footsteps without the terror radius drowning it out, maybe add a penalty if she doesn't swing out of wraith walk, so it's fun for both sides.

I'm of two minds honestly because I enjoy the thrill of not knowing whether or not my guess will pan out. A good guess feels really great to get away with, but of course a bad guess basically gets you killed so.

Now I'd like to preface by saying that I'm one of the few players that actually find Spirit enjoyable to go against, but I understand people's complains about her. My idea for a rework while trying to maintain her current theme: Hold m2 to "passivly phase" (like current passive phase she has, but as an active ability). Release m2 to instantly teleport x(10?) meters forward, not through obstacles. Power uses gauge bar like currently, activating "passive phase" consumes the bar, releasing for the blink fully depletes it. Otherwise, if 5s phasing is too strong, give it charges with 5-10s recharge time, 3 charges default and pressing m2 makes her phase for 1-2s. Make alternative ability button make her blink forward 10m, 20s cd? Can't move through objects still. Teleport strong at jungle gyms, maybe shack window and at catching up to running survivors. Not so much around a lot of other loops. Up her move speed to 115% to compensate. Teleport comparable in power to Demogorgon shred, but won't injure survivor if collide.The idea behind these two potential reworks is to maintain the "ghost" trope she has (in horror movies where a ghost stands far away and is suddenly in your face a second later) while giving her more visual counterplay. I'd like to point out that Spirit is going to be difficult to balance as long as sound is as buggy as it is and Stridor/Iron Will exists, and thus killers shouldn't really have powers whose strength is based on sound. I also really like her passive phase, think it's a cool fun part of her kit, but currently you can't really utilize it in chases since there's no feedback to the Spirit player that it's even happening. Want to make it an active ability to give more control to the Spirit over it's utilization.

the same can be said about killer guessing if a survivor has ds/unbreakable and having to play around them even if they don't have them.

When a spirit with stridor is phasing she has scratch marks, blood and noise to catch you. As a survivor you have NOTHING AT ALL, how the hell is that fair??

I would just half the chains speed for death-slinger so it’s easier to dodge allowing some counter play.

I’m a simple man. I see a d20 and DBD, and I click