Yep ! the same there ,my Xmg Neo16 with 4080 performs on same level like my Desktop 12600K and 3080Ti :)

Unfortunately AMD left the laptop techs

It is 4070Ti-ish afterall on desktop

Tried 4080 Razer 16' was not performing near my 3080ti desktop. However, my 4090 Legion 7 Pro is lapping my PC.

Simply goes to show how garbage and inefficient Samsung's 8nm process was

Yes, but the price difference is also huge

Expensive af but I took it and got the XMG neo 16. it’s awesome

@@sunnyjiang6245 yeah it’s annoying. I just hope next generation there’s a 4070 Ti that bridges that gap between performance and price

True but I think it depends tbh. For instance, if buy a laptop with a 4070 but only game at 1080p, then it's worth it tbh. But if you want to go 1440p and 4k then yes the 4060 and 4070 are useless. Better go for 4080 at that point. 4090 is honestly a ripoff if anything

i mean you can buy 4080 laptops for 2200 to 2500 dollars that is actually less than some of the more expensive 4070 laptops and isn't that much more than some of the cheapest 4070 laptops.

Glad you enjoyed it!

u made the right choice 👍 my guess is you wont notice anything sub-optimal until 2028 and even then it will be fine for a while longer until u choose to upgrade

I enjoy my 4080 Legion as well - coul dnot justify extra £650 for 4090... It wa smore than a third of what I paid for my laptop.

Hi, I want to buy this Laptop too (if it’s the legion 7 Pro) But do you have the Intel or the Amd version?

@@Jona-gs7ye Intel version. Been running games at Ultra at 1440p with no problems, can recommend. Laptop was very good to me over the holidays :D

Nightngale already using 11.5 to 12gb of vram and the 4080 isn’t a year old yet that’s why I picked the 4090 both are great but Nvidia are scam artist they know what there doing

Oldschoolers will always hate new stuff. Same in the cars. Same as painters hated photoshop, now photoshopers hate ai generated images... I love how laptops reached awesome results and it is time to jump from desktop to laptop portability

Because the haters can’t afford stuff like this. It’s hate out of jealousy.

would u have likes to get the 4090 mini led version if u could? i cant decide which to get?

@@ToxicatedSins old things = good, new things = bad. Seeing this mentality in 99% of all people sadly. It's an idea in psychology that people view things in their youth more favourably. Just robot behaviour.

Btw got a laptop 4070, never been happier after getting a gadget. Always loved desktops and been assembling them since old good pentium II times. But I dont want to be locked on the desk again after work and I lack a dedicated space. If these factors werent here I wouldnt try it and wouldnt find out how awesome lenovo legion is. I enjoy gaming on it every time and it is an awesome time to live from the technology perspective.

Glad to help!

​@@JarrodsTechSir please suggest me whether i should buy a 3070ti with 150 watt tgp or 4050 with 140w tgp Please help sir Huge Fan

@@MadanSingh-pe7ku 3070ti 150W for sure if you do not need the DLSS3.

@@MadanSingh-pe7ku3070ti if you don’t have a huge desire for frame gen or DLSS3 like he said. 3070ti will outperform in most circumstances at full TGP

@@MadanSingh-pe7ku Берите 3070ti, она лучше во всем! Я очень сомневаюсь, что 4050 с DLLS3 вытащит в 2К игры, лучше чем 3070ti! 4050 (140w) замена 3060 (140w), если 4050 будет ниже 140w, то 3060(140w) уделает 4050! 4050(140w) хорошо подойдёт для FHD игр, 3070ti (150w) для 2К! На этом же канале есть сравнение 4070&3070ti, так вот в 1% прирост в сторону 4070, это полная шляпа! Конкурент 3070ti это 3080ti и то 15-20%! И значительный прирост 4080 и Всё!!! Через 2года перейдёте на 4080 и будет Вам счастья. Ноутбуки подешевеют. Так как будет линейки с 50серии. Или 4060(140w) для FHD в большенстве случаи и DLLS3 для 2К в некоторых!

not enough power

@@GewelReal 4080m doesn't consume that much more power than 4070m, and yet it's MUCH faster.

CUDA cores in graphics cards are beneficial for specific work tasks, but they are unrelated to gaming. Having 16GB of video memory requires more power than having 12GB. As a result, there is less power available for the actual chip, which can result in a loss of performance.

​@@aspeartrevis6306that's already been acounted for with lower clock speeds, other than that the power draw between 12gb and 16gb for the complete package isn't that large

@@aspeartrevis6306 wait, what do you mean they are unrelated to gaming? then what actually drives gaming performance? And if they are so niche, why include so many if them and in every GPU? It makes no sense. Wouldn't Nvidia destroy the competition in gaming if they included more the whatever cores that are important for gaming instead of Cuda? Cuda cores gotta take a lot of space on a GPU. And as Jarrod's tech already compared, 4090M is more energy efficient than 4080M. So, while vRAM does take some energy, it's not much.

I have to agree with you on that but personally speaking the RTX 4050 has come down in price its just that its a little impractical with it's 6GB of VRAM.

at what? u mad?

​@@michaelwesten4624mad at what? Where did that come from?

Not all laptops are the same and he seems to have a problem with that laptop with the 4090 it's still way better than the 4080 in my opinion for what I wanted for

@@1415gatewayable maybe I need to check the Asus Scar 18 or the Alienware m18

no, they're about 500 bucks more expensive on the whole

@@Cenot4ph That was back in March. The sales now are more attractive for sure

@@aaz1992Bro, I even saw someone selling legion 7 pro rtx 4090 on ebay for about 1530 euros and it was like new. Craziest deal I have ever seen.

I got mine for 2199. You think that's alright?

@@joshuam4993 yeah! Enjoy it

Nailed it

Don't forget the 16 GB RTX 3080 mobile either!

rtx3080 and rtx3080ti is a huge different cuz rtx3080ti has ad103 codename, rtx3080 has ad104 codename like rtx3060ti/3070

That being said, as more gamers become vRAM limited, it can be better for 4k and even 1440p in the future. And some professional applications that use CUDA need LOADS of vRAM.

Bought a 4090 laptop due to having to run multiple android emulators(for farming in a gacha game) and a demanding game at the same time, those emulators combined would eat up multiple GBs of VRAM, 4080m with 12gb may not able to handle such load without causing performance problems in the games I play when I run both at the same time.

I had chosen legion pro 7i with 4090 during the EOFY sale, especially since it was cheaper or at least have similar proce than many 4080 laptops(scar 18 with 4080 and ge78 with 4080 are the examples)

I will be doing a review on the Neo 16 showing games results with and without the Oasis.

Game developers can’t do that because they have to meet minimum console requirements, and developers have zero incentive to make games that are less accessible to people, because they need to actually sell those games.

@@ogmogly8118 agreed

can you link me to exactly what you bought?

Would love to hear what store you found it at : )?

On a scale from 1-10, how happy are you with it? what are the cons fo far? I am so torn between picking the x16 for a sleeker and smaller laptop or the scar 18 which seems to "have it all". Honestly the beiggest complaint I hear is the screen, is it that bad?

i know someone who got the 4080 alienware m version, works great@@joffy9373

seems like a lot of sussy accounts/bots saying the gt500 is great, spamming it everywhere basically.. But I personally bought it and tried it and it seems good so far. Its quieter than my room fan which is on 24/7, so I really dont even notice its on.

Wtf legion 5 pro and legion pro 5. 😂😄

@@wz-fv2ix 2022 vs 2023, looks funny 😅 but lenovo really did that

Any testing on displays I've had in laptops can be found on my website: jarrods.tech/list-of-laptop-response-times/

I hope you enjoy your Legion 5 Pro! I have written about why I don't show game play here: jarrods.tech/why-i-dont-show-game-play-for-benchmarks/

If RT was used it will be mentioned on the graph.

i see so few people considering after market service, while pretty much all laptops i've owned needed 1 or more servicing rounds. On-site is pretty much a necessity in my book

He has a video comparing the 4070 vs 4080 laptop gpus ans states not to buy a 4070 as the 4080 is like 40% faster overall.

12gb vram will be enough for quite long

That's why I got the 4090 for 2199 bucks. 16gb let's me stretch my legs. I can almost max everything out especially textures and not worry

​@@joshuam4993bro which model of laptop you got for 2199 bucks and what are your laptop specs and where did you get from? Is it a black friday deal, if so where did you buy?

With that said a 4080 over a 4070 is massively more worth it! It seems like the wins for this gen are the 4080 on the top end and 4060 on the mid tier in performance leaps.

@@ifuckinghatebarking Probably not. Unless they're like me and constantly need mobility. If I was home more I would invest said money into a desktop.

​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​@@ifuckinghatebarking I need more than 12gb of vram so the 4090 is something that I would be getting since I'm already gaming with ray tracing in native 4k with hdr on, v sync off and motion blur off, unlimited fps if it's available in the game and dlss off. I cranked the graphics to there highest settings while using as much vram as possible for every game that I play lol. If there was a mod to force a game to have ray tracing even if the game never had ray tracing I would apply ray tracing every time. I really hope more games use unreal engine 5 but have the graphics intensity of crysis remastered with can it run crysis mode. Crysis remastered with can it run crysis mode in every graphics settings as my reference when I game in 4k with rtx enable, dlss turned off as well and experimental rtx boost enabled. I really hope new games looks exactly visual fidelity and quality like the gran turismo movie in native 4k with hdr, dolby vision and ray tracing. If more games has a graphics settings can it run crysis mode, I would enable it every time. I love 4k and high fidelity visuals when gaming and watching movies. I wonder how the games would look like with 4k with ar and vr without needing a headset like 3d tvs without needing the 3d glasses but with vr and ar instead. Like headset less version of ar and vr but in 4k when gaming and ray tracing. Like it would feel like you in the space suit and you are on mars but you are gaming in 4k instead without needing to use a vr and ar headset since it would a version that does not need a headset to play games in ar and vr since its headset less version. You basically just need a 4k tv and very powerful pc to make the game feel like you are actually part of the game and you can interact and be part of the action happening in the game. For example, when someone is passing a basketball in a game and the basketball pops up on the screen, you feel like you are actually touching the basketball and you just wanna grab the basketball and shoot the basketball. It would be like 4k realism mode like having motion activated sensors built in a pc or 4k tv. You would be making the mimicking the motions of a game and than the actions happen in real time but in a video game settings. I'm leaning towards the eon-17x gaming laptop since it has the Intel i9-11900k desktop cpu in it with 4 nvme ssd slots and a removable battery with 2 power bricks with each power brick being 280 watts each. I just wish the eon-17x has a 4k mini led display with 1,000 nits and a 4090 while having an updated Intel i9-13900k desktop cpu instead of the Intel i9-11900k desktop cpu for using msi afterburner. The only thing that I like about the msi gt77 titan is the 4k mini led display but the lack of a desktop cpu is what I'm after on a gaming laptop.

yeah but still, a 4090 in many other models is still less than GT77 4080 and all the cooling in the world can't fix the crippled TGP and board limits that prevent enthusiasts from getting enthusiastic and extracting maximum performance out of the hardware

I'm sorry that you went with the 4080 the 4090s clearly better especially for long-term I honestly think you made a huge mistake especially with that beautiful laptop screen definitely made for playing in 4k. Remember not all laptops are the same but the GT MSI is the best. And I don't know where you're getting only 9% difference maybe in the games that you play specifically

You can see how all laptops reviewed performed in Premiere here: jarrods.tech/best-laptops-for-adobe-premiere-pro/

Exactly my thoughts on this. I recently got MSI Raider E78 HX with the RTX 4080 on sale. (17 inch model) 32 gigs of DDR5 5600 and 2 terabyte m.2 storage. I remember hearing that the 4090 model was power and heat limited in most chassis. I run a 2k display and it's perfect with the RTX 4080 and 24 core 32 thread Intel 13050HX CPU.

I agree not worth 1k. I got my Lenovo 4090 for 2199 though. Which is only 200 more than most current 4080 deals so I don't feel too bad

They're based in Europe. They are a Tongfang reseller. If you're in the US the equivalent brand would be Eluktronics

Nvidia will place a TI behind the name , generate much profit with our idea and you´ll get nothing :) Jenssen , Take Over :)

Are you enjoying that laptop? I have my eyes on one but I've always had ROG

@tkirk3660 yes it fantastic! Wish it still had a fingerprint reader like previously but the screen is better and performance is phenomenal

Still holding up well? Kinda torn between that and the 4090. Those Legion laptops look sick spec wise. @@theguard1

@@bobocop69420 yup! Make sure you undervolt (I have a light one going with -111mV on the P-cores and -94mV on the E-cores and it doesn't exceed 87C). Performance jumps way up too! All in all, this is a fantastic laptop and still love it

What did u end up getting because I’m trying to decide and the 4090 is about 1000 usd more which is insane….

Thanks for your support!

Average is the average FPS the game gets over multiple benchmark or in game runs. 1% low is a way of showing the dips in performance, this video explains it well: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/opyHmsWXrMXeXZ8.html

Yeah thats a really solid laptop for the money

B&H photo is selling the lenovo legion with the 13900h and the 4090 for $2699

@Joseph Maxwell ya i needed the 18" screen though and there aren't any 4090 laptops with an 17.3 or 18 screen that r cheap. also kinda wierd they didn't pair the best i9 with a 4090 but ya for 200 more that is a pretty good deal

@@bhold7197 I'm using a 34" ultrawide as my main monitor and the laptop as a second screen, etc.

​@@meshlolIf legion pro 7i with 4080/4090 has Mini LED then definitely it is a must buy this year. However Jarrod said lenovo will be adding the Mini LED last year but still they haven't. Also there is a new screen option for Slim 7i gen 8. It would be nice if he reviews it with the new display option.

THIS!

It's about the same difference between the 4080 and 4090 10-15%

same vram. save money and get 4060

​@@GewelRealEven if the difference is "only" 150usd?

@@kalaichelvanyou are pushing it 5-10%max !!! Even in the best conditions if the 4070 had 10gb ram ok but 8tb nono . Simply save the money those 5-10 fps wont matter for the price increase !!!