Jeep Grand Cherokee: Loud Exhaust, Engine Light & Leaking Brake Line

Jeep Grand Cherokee: Loud Exhaust, Engine Light & Leaking Brake Line - PART II

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2 ай бұрын

In a previous video we diagnosed this '04 Jeep Grand Cherokee Made the call on a couple of O2 sensors, a new muffler and tail pipe and of course we have to get that brake line off from the steering shaft. We got the OK so let's get after it.
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@jamesbruno5896 2 ай бұрын

Anybody that has watched the channel for awhile knows Eric is a surgeon with the torch! Nice repair all around Sir!

@vdog4799 2 ай бұрын

That is true. That's quite a skill! 👍

@coache1nine 2 ай бұрын

Torch has always scared the crap out of me. I wish I had the skills.

@dudeman3986 2 ай бұрын

Master surgeon

@leftyo9589 2 ай бұрын

you can guarantee he wasnt born with the skill, he wrecked some stuff along the way to get good with it.@@coache1nine

@coache1nine 2 ай бұрын

@@leftyo9589absolutely!!!

@Hey_Its_That_Guy 2 ай бұрын

Eric: "It would have been fine as long as he didn't steer." 🤣

@ericpaul4575 2 ай бұрын

Or brake.

@u2mister17 2 ай бұрын

@@ericpaul4575 lol

@bltoth1955 2 ай бұрын

It’s always better when you repeat it. 😂😂😂

@stf2400 2 ай бұрын

Who needs steering or brakes anyways? 😂

@normmuelleman2570 2 ай бұрын

Wow, and Mrs. O with the headslap "what is it, your first day"? She's a hoot!!!

@Boga217 2 ай бұрын

Love the muffler toss and how he just watched it roll around with us, had me laughing.

@Torsee 2 ай бұрын

Watchin that was just riveting!

@paulmoir4452 2 ай бұрын

"And that's why the torch is better." Mic dropped.

@user-kw1wn1jr3s 2 ай бұрын

The flair tool you used is what most of us DIY people can afford, so seeing how ,helps us more than the pricy tools- thank you Eric!!

@ricebike 2 ай бұрын

I run to the parts store and get the free rental 😅

@LesReeves 2 ай бұрын

I remember just having the piece that holds the pipe & using a ball pane hammer to make flares on pipes.(still got one).

@truracer20 2 ай бұрын

I don't make lines all day everyday so these are the same style that I use. But even to make all the lines on an entire vehicle they still aren't bad. They just work.

@scottnusser6232 2 ай бұрын

Explanation of why Vic is better than sawseverything, with muffler roll is an alltime SMA classic😂 I'll be laughing all day.

@jacksonbennett6151 2 ай бұрын

Muffler was like, “I must go, my people need me!”

@dav1dsm1th 2 ай бұрын

"It would have been just fine as long as he didn't steer!" Another classic Mr O brake line one-liner line. Thanks for the videos, Mr O. Stay safe out there.

@65bugnut 2 ай бұрын

Nice job with the torch Eric O. This isn't his first rodeo folks. He knows what he's doing.

@ohiowrencher8650 2 ай бұрын

Two things... drath, taxes and rust.... You gotta love his wry sense of humor... many times he is so subtle that i think half the people who watch these videos dont get it and the other third do!

@kahrnivor 2 ай бұрын

"what is this your first day?" Mrs O throwing some shade

@jimharmon3404 2 ай бұрын

That Imperial flare tool you use is the best. I am over 70 and I inherited mine. It still works perfectly. It is simple, fast, and screams hand-crafted!

@billsimpson604 2 ай бұрын

"Death taxes and rust", Thanks Eric. I needed something to brighten my Friday morning.

@billziegmond4943 2 ай бұрын

Anytime you break old Vic out you know it's a good day.

@DerDuckPond 2 ай бұрын

Is it a sign that you’ve been watching SMA to much of when Eric says “A Dorman fender washer”, I said to myself, “Not a sponsor”? Did it yesterday too when I got my box of Dorman wheel nuts in the mail…

@needadate 2 ай бұрын

Cutting just the outer pipe with the gas axe was the first thing I got taught when I started working in the industry. Still remember who taught me (Bo Eriksson) and the total length of the lesson: "Just start cutting without preheating and it'll never touch the inner, like this *ziip-ziip*" About twelve seconds, including everything. 36 years on, I have still to hurt a single inner as long as it had more structural integrity than your ordinary spider web. Best method ever.

@samcooke2742 2 ай бұрын

The smell of burning salty steel. A new concept for me. Wish SMA had Odorama.

@richardramon2175 2 ай бұрын

Eric, you are the PRIME example of a mechanic with top notch skills, knowledge and experience. One who should be paid top dollar because of the aforementioned attributes. One who unfortunately will never get rich performing such duties. One thing that stands out even more is your ability to connect with your viewers on KZfaq and convey what needs to be accomplished without being condescending. You are humble, humorous and a good family man. I enjoy my morning coffee with your latest vids. Thank you Sir

@YOUZTUBE2000 2 ай бұрын

I agree with everything you had to say- except the part about never getting “rich!” “Rich” being in the eye of the beholder. We’d all be challenged to count the ways this talented, humble man is “RICH” and I’m sure you would agree, @richardramon2175.

@richardramon2175 2 ай бұрын

@@YOUZTUBE2000 I stand corrected. My idea of 'rich' is being able to quit working. I'm sure he would love to be able to.

@YOUZTUBE2000 2 ай бұрын

Richard, I believe what you’re saying is so well meaning, and I believe your original comment was excellent! A lot of us might be reminded of the saying: If you love what you do- you’ll never work a day in your life. Of course neither of us can speak for Eric O and family, I feel from watching and seeing how good his videos are- he truly loves what he’s doing. He’s certainly works smarter- not harder (as you mentioned Richard, skills, knowledge and experience make that possible) to do all that he does, not the least of which is producing great videos. He’s still young, so I don’t believe he wants to quit work, I’m pretty sure he could- just believe South Main Auto, LLC is doing VERY well! Richard, you and I as well as nearly ONE MILLION subscribers hope he keeps “working” making more videos to add to the extensive SMA library! Richard I liked all of your complimentary comments regarding Eric O and SMA- well done! Obviously I’m also a huge SMA Fanatic- nice talking with you, Tony

@richardramon2175 2 ай бұрын

Thank you Tony. I am going to be 62 next month and have only been working on my vehicles for about 2 1/2 years. In that time I have just about completely replaced the front suspension on my 03 Tacoma, replaced the radiator (my 1st repair) and done front disc brakes. I've changed all fluids from front to back. Darn truck got an evap leak and after spending $200, twice, at a supposed evap expert, I took it to my employer mechanic. The truck has been in the shop since last October and is there. After throwing the parts cannon at it, including a new charcoal cannister, vent valve, purge valve, another valve near the tank and a refurbished PCM, it is still there. I did plugs, new NGK wires and valve cover gaskets. Good thing I bought a used 2000 Grand Marquis that runs pretty well. I have replaced the right rear window regulator and motor and done brakes allaround. Done a break flush and inner and outer tie rods, idler arm and tried to do the pitman arm. Need to do the upper and lower ball joints both front. My health issues have been prevented me from completing the rest of the work. I really enjoy repairs. I have been lucky to find decent mechanics in my life. However, I have had my share of bad ones. This is why I try to do the work myself. This is why I have enjoyed Eric's channel. He and other KZfaq channel mechanics have helped me tremendously. I am envious of his torch skills and realize I will never get to his level nor have I ever used one. Sorry for the long winded reply. Shows you my passion for working on cars.

@YOUZTUBE2000 2 ай бұрын

@@richardramon2175 Wow! You’re welcome Richard! I started diy wrenching because of this channel in particular and a few others in general. Going on 64, recently retired. I have a ‘99 Jeep XJ, a ‘04 Jeep WJ (the one in this video) ‘08 Buick Lecrosse (3800 set 3) and ‘14 Chrysler T&C. I’ve done a ton of work on all of them- rewarding. I try to follow advice from Eric O on tools such as the comparison between 3 different brake flaring kits in this video. It’s been a fun learning experience!

@rickn8or 2 ай бұрын

"This your first day?" Mrs. O evidently believes that slack is something you always take up, never let out.😆

@douglash3129 2 ай бұрын

I was replacing a brake line with Nicop and guy was bitching at me for using copper tubing on brakes!! I just looked at him and laughed! He ran right into the supervisors' office! Never heard about it again!

@2nickles647 2 ай бұрын

Must be the new Technician that graduated from a pretigous technical college. 😅😅 Got his degree a Technician attached to his diploma. With not a lick of common sense yet. Crying to the boss

@dueljet 2 ай бұрын

I believe that my old Volvo has a Nicop type of brake line from the factory. Still mint 30 years later even in salty Wisconsin.

@bigsparky8888 2 ай бұрын

@@2nickles647Sounds like a 2 year man...(They know it all!!!)

@fernando13e 2 ай бұрын

"Death, Taxes and Rust", you sir are the definition of wisdom.

@jasongrigsby6463 2 ай бұрын

The toss of the old muffler was probably the best thing I've ever seen on this channel! ...#$%# your saw zaw. lol.

@billrimmer5596 2 ай бұрын

Half the fun is listening to Eric anticipate the wise acres.

@acwright 2 ай бұрын

That muffler toss felt personal

@ranger178 2 ай бұрын

love the good old-fashioned replacing old broken parts with nice shiny new ones that work. very relaxing to watch sooths my soul LOL

@glassvial 2 ай бұрын

Mrs O. enters the room, Eric O. immediately reverts to rookie mode 🤣

@dnlmachine4287 2 ай бұрын

Heat shield fasteners ("washer") = cut the bottom off an aluminum pop/soda/beer can. Youre a legend Mr. O. Stay gold.

@tpanther9567 2 ай бұрын

Less than one minute in and Vic comes out. Going to be a good day. LOL

@zuilok 2 ай бұрын

Now heres why my sawzall is better than my torch. I dont have a torch.

@ricebike 2 ай бұрын

Plus that was a good Eric O explanation for why the torch may not be a good option in that case with a different metal pipe... But, use what you have👍

@leftyo9589 2 ай бұрын

also for most of us laying on our back under a car, hot torch slag in your eye really sucks. at such times the saw is a good choice.

@ricebike 2 ай бұрын

@@leftyo9589 I gotta up my tool game... I don't even have a sawzall yet😵‍💫 I'm cutting stuff out with a Dremel (100 pack cutoff wheels) and a manual hacksaw for bigger jobs

@1320pass 2 ай бұрын

Don't know if Mr O intended the comedy element, but it had me giggling so much i had to hit pause. Plus a 2 part Jeep rebuild! What a deal.

@dougkubash8673 2 ай бұрын

Another satisfied customer! I almost always cut exhaust pipes with the torch. When doing the second step of the double flare an old mechanic told me way back when, not to reef down on the flare tool and let the nut finish it off when you tighten it. I like your tube bender pliers! Enjoyed watching!

@stu8575 2 ай бұрын

The first day when everyone is watching is always the roughest! 😬 Great job!

@jameshunsinger9293 2 ай бұрын

It's almost Spring time this must excite you, because this means the Ice Cream shop will be opening soon. 🤣🤣

@Robalo-2660 2 ай бұрын

I agree with all my knowledgeable followers. His father gave him the skills to feel confident to use a torch. It's an art. Eric can cut a bearing race and not damage the spindle. I wish I could do that. One day?

@scottcarper1401 Ай бұрын

There’s a reason those lines are run like that as You run them like the Factory does Beautifully Done . It does take longer but No come Backes . So Worth it to Take Your Time !!!! Great job !!!!

@ehudlow 2 ай бұрын

Muffler drop instead of a mic drop. Excellent!

@SteveMelissaMcAdams 2 ай бұрын

Man that country side view around SMA is beautiful

@courier11sec 2 ай бұрын

Anyone who has ever done exhaust work for a living knows the oxy/acetylene torch is the best tool in the shop and can be used in hundreds of ways.

@raypeoples 2 ай бұрын

loud talk a man that can take a torch and burn a nut off a bolt and never ruin the bolt threads !!C'MON MAN !!!

@harrylumsdon6773 2 ай бұрын

Like norm norm from this old house. Cant you drill a square hole?

@Troy_Built 2 ай бұрын

I'm glad you stressed the O2 problems with older Chryslers. Probably 3 years ago I ran into the random falling on it's face when going into closed loop problem on my grandparents 98 Ram. Then compounded the problem by putting Bosch O2 sensors in it. ScannerDanner was able to point me in the right direction and sent me a link to a video he had done with the same problems. I went to a friend of mine at the Chrysler parts counter to get the OE sensors and she told me she buys NTK for their techs on the older ones that are unavailable. I also use the old flare nuts if they are in good shape. You don't have to worry about them being the correct threads.

@wallingj68 2 ай бұрын

Since you only said it twice , I think the Eastwood Line Flaring Tool and the Mastercool Hydraulic Flaring Tool are better. If you had said it 3 times, then I would have agreed with you. 😜

@SouthMainAuto 2 ай бұрын

They are great tools honestly 😅

@jamesbergfeld5923 2 ай бұрын

How many times have you flared the brake line and forgot to install the fitting?

@johnhufnagel 2 ай бұрын

@@jamesbergfeld5923probably the same number of times putting an electrical connector and housing on in the wrong order. usually happens when you have no spare pins either. :D

@keithlibner9259 2 ай бұрын

Gotta love that NiCop brake line. Easier to bend and flare, not to mention the anti-corrosion properties.

@johnpereira822 2 ай бұрын

Happy Friday, Mr. O and Mrs. O watching video while on the boat to the vineyard

@goosez22 2 ай бұрын

Loved you leaving in the full muffler dropping and rolling away, classic real like stuff there.

@erickieffer8440 Ай бұрын

Any mechanic working in the PRNYS is in love with their torch, Eric is just particularly adept with public displays of affection.

@erickieffer8440 Ай бұрын

I don’t have a saws all.

@erickieffer8440 Ай бұрын

Brake lines just don’t fair well in NYS.

@dans_Learning_Curve 2 ай бұрын

Mrs O is getting into the theam of video production! First day! Rookie!! LoL 🤣😆

@ricebike 2 ай бұрын

40:25 😅 entertainment banter before the Mrs O burn, "what is this, your first day?" 😅

@gadasavideos8564 2 ай бұрын

That muffler rocking brought memories of university. 4 story residence, central stairway. Someone would start a manhole cover spinning on edge on the basement floor at stairwell. During quiet hours, of course.

@YOUZTUBE2000 2 ай бұрын

Hilarious! It’s all fun and games- until someone snaps! 😅😮😢

@RDLouks 2 ай бұрын

Made me laugh when you were walking to the back to cut the tailpipe loose bumping the air lever on "Victor". I used to do the same thing. 😂

@jimandnena4 2 ай бұрын

Always love to watch the SMOKE WRENCH in use! One of mankinds geatest discoveries.

@paulboomer7109 2 ай бұрын

Glad to hear your sense of smell is coming back.

@cjpcle 2 ай бұрын

I saw Buckethead a few years back. Great show! I didn't know there were nuts named after him...

@blandry021 2 ай бұрын

I bet the muffler shop wouldn’t put on the fender washers or trim off muffler clamp bolts.

@xlandros 2 ай бұрын

13:11 Eric “There’s not much to show, I shouldn’t probably even film it”. I’d still watch even if you just filmed the back of your head for the whole video. I come here for the worldly wisdom, comedy one liners, ol’ Vic, Mrs. O, and maybe I’ll even learn something about cars along the way.👍👍

@YOUZTUBE2000 2 ай бұрын

I agree, this channel checks so many boxes!!!

@tomd5010 2 ай бұрын

You know what they say-if you’re gonna get a fender washer make sure it’s a Dorman!

@paradislarry 2 ай бұрын

I'm 66, born in 1957, I had good mechanics all my life, because I know what a good mechanic is. Sad that some customers today do not understand what a GOOD Mechanic is, & Embarrass themselves & insult the GOOD Mechanic they already have, MAYBE this customer just learned a good lesson ABOUT knowing you already have the best.

@paradislarry 2 ай бұрын

I saw as he was cutting the exhaust, he quickly checks his beard , to put the Fire Out on his face 🤣

@2nickles647 2 ай бұрын

I'm 69. I'm a DYI mechanic not a Technician. I've done my own work on my vehicles. I don't get to complain to anyone about bad work. I look at the mirror and see him every day. 😅 I enjoyed my work as a DYI mechanic. I help my neighbor out when he calls. I don't call myself A glorified Master Technician mechanic with ASE rating either. I found out ASE ratings is just taking classes and passing test.

@wadepatton2433 2 ай бұрын

12:33 ! FANTASTIC way to add emphasis to the lesson. Could not have been better if you tried. Also thanks for the lesson there. Glad I have your type countryside around me, but 85% less rust. But we have hot and mosquitos for 5 months or more.

@SteveMelissaMcAdams 2 ай бұрын

I agree on the flare tools. My dad was a mechanic for 48yrs and for as long as I can remember watching him work he used that same tool as have I for the last 15. The same one he used

@AdeptHavelock 2 ай бұрын

12:34 Loving Eric's "mic-drop" moment👍🎤

@williamsanders6092 2 ай бұрын

Your skill level is amazing. Your knowledge and diagnosis are easily followed and you explain things very well. You'd have been a great teacher, you are a great teacher. "PROFESSOR O"

@clintprice2123 2 ай бұрын

Those washers are how I did it on my Jeep too, Eric O for the WIN!

@Spillmansgarage 2 ай бұрын

I still have my dad’s Snap-On brake line flaring tool. Circa 1974. Similar design to the one you’re using. Still works great!

@bbkmm1 2 ай бұрын

This is also a comedy channel. From "Unlimited limited warranty" to "Death, Taxes and Rust. Those are the two things guaranteed here."😂

@hynestimothy411 2 ай бұрын

That 4.0 is one of the best engines ever made, no wonder he wants to get it fixed

@misterhat5823 2 ай бұрын

Best at leaking oil.

@hynestimothy411 2 ай бұрын

@@misterhat5823 yeah I saw that

@notajp 2 ай бұрын

The one in my 98 XJ had over 300k on the original engine when I sold it. Still running great.

@clintprice2123 2 ай бұрын

There is an Eastwood store thirty minutes from me in New Jersey, it’s a great place to go and easy to part with lots of money! Some many goodies there.

@jameskauffman8405 2 ай бұрын

Keep doing things your way and others have the right to do their things their way. I watch and like your work and videos.

@johnchambers12 2 ай бұрын

I like the brake line bending pliers, so nice for those small spaces. Good video!

@philspear73 2 ай бұрын

Full Eric snark engaged, love it!

@ken7808 2 ай бұрын

I think he has more- I wish he would totally unleash his inner snarkiness on the trolls.😂

@YOUZTUBE2000 2 ай бұрын

He does a good enough job of it, without sending them into full hyper-troll-psychosis! Sometimes better to let a sleeping dog lie!!!😂😂😍

@intruder6980 2 ай бұрын

I would like to thank you for sharing your electrical trouble shooting skills. It encourage me to resolve my no power issue on my boat radio. Thank You SMA

@robertlacob8831 Ай бұрын

Another fine job you did for us to see Mr O! Would I expect Less? Nope!

@JJ-ux9ks 2 ай бұрын

Mrs. O, "What is it your first day?" 😂😂😂

@thomasschleis2545 2 ай бұрын

Best wrench on KZfaq.

@jeffedgar562 2 ай бұрын

Muffler throw was epic

@davidstleon8388 2 ай бұрын

Lesson Number One: Never distract a man with a torch in his hand.

@Logscaler 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the torch explanation, it made sense why you did what you did. Experience tells all.

@billkaczynski7709 2 ай бұрын

Great video Eric! Love how you use the right tools all the time. Mrs. O is a hoot too. This two part fix had it all, thank you, thank you, oh yeah,thanks Buddy

@edbaker1016 2 ай бұрын

hope you're teaching mccoy to use the torch, very handy tool to use correctly

@magintysmaw 2 ай бұрын

Another fine job Eric…just love watching your stuff 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@larryfine4498 2 ай бұрын

Eric, if they don't like the way you cut off the pipes, maybe they can get their own channel and show us all how it's done.

@billyscott922 2 ай бұрын

A master with the torch….love your content and Mrs O

@peterhodgkins6985 2 ай бұрын

Great job as always! Yeah - I like the old Imperial flaring tools also. Simplicity is good.

@rowlandpichey6602 2 ай бұрын

Gotta have the correct tools for the job!! And you got em all!! Great job and video!!

@mikerobbins5049 2 ай бұрын

Another great job Eric. I’ve never like using a cutting torch,& never had to hardly at all, so therefore, I’m not good with one.

@markblevins5557 2 ай бұрын

Old Roger for the win😂

@alabamared2568 26 күн бұрын

Ohh nooo.....Mrs O wit tha Zinger!!!😂😂😂😂

@donniev8181 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video Eric, hope you and the family have a great weekend! Also just a reminder, it's nearly springtime, no more wet neck or armpits!

@Hey_Its_That_Guy 2 ай бұрын

Except when it rains... 🤣

@davidhollfelder9940 2 ай бұрын

“The man, the mechanic, with his torch and tools .. rules over the beast. Remember Midas the Muffler King?

@janetcoursey6756 2 ай бұрын

Another fine fix!

@johnds6621 2 ай бұрын

I like that touch of cutting the u bolt threads off to the nut it makes sense too because I;ve seen plastic bags stuck to the extended treads hanging below the muffler. Eric you always do nice work. The customer made out that you were lower in price muffler shops are not always better. They warrantee the muffler for life but you pay for it twice up front and they always hit you heavy for the extras.

@johnhufnagel 2 ай бұрын

god I hate that part of it. yea they "warranty" the muffler, but of course the mid pipe is also bad (no warranty) and the tail pipe is bad (no warranty) so in the end you "save" $30 on your next muffler job.

@clivesheppard8432 2 ай бұрын

Really interesting videos, but also the interaction between you and your lovely wife makes a great addition to your videos, a family affair. More power to your elbow!

@douglash3129 2 ай бұрын

You are correct Sir, Torch is better and more fun! FIRE ,FIRE he,he!!😈😈

@user-xl5np5dp8n 2 ай бұрын

Actually EO, the brake line repair is the most interesting. I always want to know what the jethro method was by the previous repair. And, "half the cost of the muffler shop" is funny.

@kimberg759 2 ай бұрын

That was a great muffler drop, rollin and rockin, reminds me of my old mother in law...lol! Thanks for the content, love from AZ ❤

@ken7808 2 ай бұрын

😅

@jdesaavedra0432 2 ай бұрын

Eric O is on fire today. There are two things, and names three.

@ken7808 2 ай бұрын

I thought I was the only one who noticed that! Glad you spoke up. 😂

@YOUZTUBE2000 2 ай бұрын

Everyone noticed it! He was definitely on fire!,,😂😂😂😂😂

@tylerwilliams3868 2 ай бұрын

see this is why i watch your videos! i was not aware that the monitor ran with akey off cycle! and sadly ive been working on these for along time

@courier11sec 2 ай бұрын

Eric, If I had a zillion Dollars I'd buy a shop down here in southern AZ and do an exchange program with you for a couple weeks so your mind blows at what doesn't fail here but does there and what does fail here and not there. When I moved down from the pnw Coast I had to relearn what common failure meant.