I feel bad for Jeff's younger brother. Imagine having nothing to do with this and growing up probably resembling a serial killer.

He saw the warning signs he was just in denial.

It's scary how normal Jeff seemed in the home videos

The puppy part bothered me too.he handled it wayyyy too rough.

That's the most validating thing I've heard in years. "Their victims don't know. They're just props fulfilling their fantasy". That's exactly what it's like to be involved in any capacity with a sociopath. Particularly in any type of close relationship with one. And it's very damaging. They aren't all murders either.

Does anyone remember in the show when the father said that he struggled with dark thoughts what he was younger too? I wonder if that part was true or they just added that 🤔 Not that it would have changed much, just curious.

This was so very, very, sad, I can not imagine how his parents must have felt, how broken hearted 💔 😢. Could they be.

Never let anyone get you to the second place.

The scariest part of the interview for me was "Jeff was always happy at Christmas time because there was a lot of things to eat."

For your own well being, you have to forgive the person, not the act.

You always tell yourself that they'll grow out of it, that it is just a phase... it's sad but, we do that.

Nobody will ever know what went on inside Jeffrey's mind from the time he was born, until the day he was murdered. If he perceived them as wrong, especially very young, he was never going to tell anyone. Think about your own private thoughts, you don't share everything and neither did he. We will never know when the thoughts actually began. Once caught he only told what he wanted to. There was a lot more to this than we will ever know.

Can’t forgive evil

He also said to the judge not to let his own son out when he was arrested on luring a minor and sexual assault but the judge released him and he went on a killing spree. Theres also another interview in 2020 where he breaks down and blames himself for not realizing sooner.

He never did this to my family, but I could never forget such evilness. I believe this is in your blood and is taught. I blame both his parents for this and I blame the police for refusing to stop it and gave that young boy back to him .

Evil can hide in the most beautiful people, but what I’ve learned from my personal experience… hate takes too much energy and consumes you and your life. In order to truly be happy you must learn to forgive and let god do his work. People will always have karma come back. It’s not instant all of the time, but good and bad karma does come back

I can't be mad at his father. That was his son. Nobody wants to believe something is wrong with their child or even believe they could do something so disgusting.

The parents knew something wasn't right with him. They choose to look the other way. My prayers go out to the victims and there family's.

Being a parent and finding out your child is mentally sick or evil would be so shocking but being a parent u would forgive them because the love you have for them is so strong that admitting your child is capable of that would tare you apart mentally and emotionally so even though they did those evil things how do u accept it but even though your so broken from what their done but you feel so sorry for the victims your mind couldn't get round the evil been done 😪

"Forgive jeff for what he did".. are you INSANE?????

Phil is a fake therapist. Why interview them father only to shred him.

People who are genuinely sorry don't ask for forgiveness. Not for all that.

Everyone blaming the parents is wrong. Do we blame Hitler, Stalin, or Mao’s parents for them killing millions? No. They knew he was troubled, they just had no idea the extent. Homosexuality, was taboo in those times, I feel like they just thought he was gay and a deviant. Not that he was a serial rapist and murderer.

you put a dog's head on a spike, how can you miss that?

I truly think if Jeffrey's father had made Jeffery open that box and found out Jeffery. Had a man's head in it Jeffery would have killed his parents.

I can’t believe they’re criticizing a dead man, he knew he did wrong and wanted the death penalty. Even God granted Jeff’s wish, he got the dead sentence through Scarver. Holocaust experiment victims forgave their evil doctors and were able to heal. Jeffrey’s parents were NOT at fault, they had nothing to do with his grown son evil doings. My brother used to pick road kill and do things for entertainment and he turn just fine, he has a beautiful wife and kids. Stop the hurt, they are hurting themselves!!

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Lionel has a disturbing numbness about it all I find unnerving and insulting to those who will always suffer. He needs to stop being so ignorantly flippant just because Jeff is gone doesn’t mean the suffering is gone.

Seriously, from all I’ve seen on social media about Dahmer.. I don’t like to speculate, however, In my opinion only, there are so many others involved that need to be held accountable. A percentage of that perhaps is the system you have in your nation.

Can we talk about Jeff's dad's hair please.

That father something aint right about him and I just feel like either dahmer witnessed his father doing things to animals or his father was doing things to him. A kid don't go from being a happy kid to a disturbed kid just over neglect.. he didn't appear to be that neglected by all the home videos. Something happened to him. A lot of kids have fascinations with dead animals but they don't do the things that he did. And the fact that his father just said he's had friends that have done those types of things? Um no..

For intentional heinous acts, I don't forgive. And something like this? Never.

8:08 really ???? Who does that??? My kids would never.

Isn’t anybody gonna say how much Phil’s wife has change? We see her a couple times and she had tons of plastic surgery done OMG!

These men, that experienced Jeffery when he was in the military...My heart goes out to them. I am so sorry that they went through what they went through, but at the same time I am so happy that they are here with us and were not murdered. Yes I believe that the Military and the family had to have known and just looked the other way. Seriously, that man was just pure Evil. My thoughts and prayers and condolences go out too all of the victims and their families.

One thing we can agree this was all tragedy... But you can not force to control what are people think about the case, everybody has different thought, ones hate him, ones can not forget because they are the family of the victims, ones fascinated, one wonder about the psychology, for whatever reasons everybody has different perspectives... So be it... It is what it is... I Wish all the victim's families can be heal someday...

I'm sorry, but if your son is collecting dead animals, how do you not know that maybe he wanted to become a biologist or a veterinarian? We dissect animals in biology and that's acceptable. We all find the goodness in our kids no matter what. If he had found the head in the box than obviously that would have been the game changer. Kids are very curious about things as they are growing up ...if he was killing the animals himself then I would say that was a red flag.

I feel like Dr. Phil played it in the both fields. He was nice while taking the interview with Dahmer's father and then he was on another side while being on his playgound. What Jeffrey Dahmer did is extremely wrong and for that I agree. They were red flags and his father really saw some of them in my own opinion but around the horrible marrige he was going trough and the fact his wife was overdosing with all sorts of pills wasn't easy for him either. I get the idea that after awhile J. Dahmer got older and maybe his father wasn't sure how to handle the situation and that's why he dicided to send him to the military with the hope that his son will eventually get back on the right road but it didn't work. From what I've heard from my parents and seen on TV back in the days ( his time ) people we're dealing with their problems in a totally different way. They often did not deal with their problems by seeking help from others which is also a mistake. I can only place a bet that's 50/50 if his father knew about the plastic bags and the road kills or not. It's hard to believe that none of their neighbour saw J. Dahmer collecting dead animals remains from the road and not telling his parents about it since he was doing it for months or years. He might've tried to change his son's path in a way that wasn't working and at the same time he didn't want to believe what his son was really doing. He closed his eyes but at the same time he was trying to help him and he wasn't sure how. Let's not forget that his father told him to go in the militery and after he got back he had no clue about his drinking problem. Yes. You can spot a person with a drinking problem very easy but he's a serial killer ( people say their mind work in different way, right? ) and with that reason I do believe that J. Dahmer was able to hide his problems well enough. His father is aware that they do not communicate very often and that they don't have that deep son and father connection. His mother didn't care much and none of the 'guests' on the show said her name once. Where was she when this was happening? "The way he grabbed that dog" like what do you mean? If you open youtube these days and type dog/cat compilations or funny moments you're going to see tons of videos with kids handeling animals in the same way or worse, are they serial killers as well? For a boy that's 6-7 years old I don't think grabbing a dog in this way is a red flag. Some people are smart at age 7 and some people doesn't have their IQ pumped to the roof. I'm not a doctor but from this video I've seen so many wrong comments. I'm not the person who has to forgive J. Dahmer for what he did and I don't have a say on that. I just want to make myself clear that from my prespective I didn't like how Phil stated everything. I'm very sorry for the families who lost their sons and daughters I don't know how much pain they feel and I don't want to know. It's their right to forgive or not forgive J. Dahmer for what he did and the same goes for what they believe in. Ofc. Jeffrey's father would spill a lie or two just because that's his son and in a way he'll try everything to clear his name or protect him if you're are father you'll do the same for your children. I'm not a fan of J. Dahmer. What he did is incredably wrong and unthinkable. P.S: Everyone have their own opinion and a point of view. If you're going to tag me on a comment, please don't be toxic/rude just because I said the things that we're in my mind. The story has tons of different roads and opinions and I'd be happy to hear yours, just be polite.

First one so interesting

Can Dr. Phil give an analysis of Lionel Dahmer. He himself is really odd & creepy.

Pay attention to your kids.

Stop talking about that nasty waste of atoms already!!

When was this Show live on TV? Im from germany....

I love Candace Delong

His father has no idea what accountability or remorse means.

There is something wrong with the father too. Its clear as day. From a psycoligical point of view definitely. Thats where it stemmed from along with other things

The step mom is a weirdo too

Never forgive and never forget.

I refuse to believe that he didn't ever question or wonder about Jeff's behaviour, Jeff did things that weren't normal. He didn't want to think about it.

For those that watched these three on here on Dr. Phil's channel - they cut over half of each one of them out! You can find all three parts on here on other channels that are 38 minutes long that explain tons of things that were cut out.

The way he’s flinging that dog around

Is it me or is Dr. Phil posting a lot of videos that are not that interesting lately?

Kids are allowed dissect frogs in science class !

This guy has spent his life trying to prove to people it wasn’t his fault.

His father said 'he didn't know' he was collecting cadavers until court, of course he is reflecting that Jeff seemed normal. Not only did the parents miss the red flags, so did his Brother, Grandparents, Neighbors, and the entire school system. Vilifying the parents is not going to make the world a better, kinder or more knowledgeable place. The families of criminals are victims 'too'. Dr. Phil's show is counterproductive to the healing of families. imo

There's nothing inherently wrong with collecting roadkill. Do you know some families pick up roadkilled deer and feed their family with it? Do you know that before we had factories full of fake meat, people would have to go out and hunt for actual food? Trying to insinuate that exposure to dead animals caused this is so beyond stupid. Always looking for something to point the finger at. If he played video games, you'd point the finger there. Sexual degeneracy has more to do with it than roadkill.

Billy Capshaw does NOT have a son that was killed by Jeff! Capshaw was in the army with him, he is Jeff's age, if he had a son, it wasn't when he knew Jeff (probably long after Jeff left the army) and Jeff did not ever even meet the kid, (or even know of his existence) much less kill him.

Plenty of people have an interest in anatomy and dissecting. They go on to become medical examiners, surgeons, and taxidermists...NOT cannabilistc serial killers!

The answer is no. Its as simple as that

He asks for forgiveness of the victims and he says he forgives Jeff? There is NO FORGIVENESS EVER FOR SUCH AN EVIL MANIAC! NONE!!!

The VICTIMS NEED TALKED ABOUT!!! THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DESERVE THIS ATTENTION. NOT HIM

Que triste ver todos esos vídeos de cuando era niño, y lo que terminó siendo...

Love Candace I’ve followed her work for many years. Brilliant agent.

Is noone gonna talk about how his father literally compared Jeffrey to a saint?

My heart hurts for these men.

I think a lot of people don’t understand kids that live out in the country and how we can be fascinated with animals and how they look. My cousin and I, at around 8 years old used to look for dead animals in the woods so that we could clean the bones and try to reassemble the skeleton. It was neat looking the way the bones fit together. Now in days every time we shoot a deer the whole family helps butcher it. We look at all the organs and different cuts of meat. The kids thought that it was so cool how the tendons pull the leg back and forth it’s not abnormal to find an interest in those types of things. So I believe the father was probably relieved to hear that some of his friends did the same. They just didn’t know about the disturbing parts of Jefferys adventures. Who would automatically assume their child that they’ve raised since birth is insane and capable of killing and torturing? Just because they spent time alone in the woods and collected dead animals? I would assume my kid was doing the same thing I did when I was a kid.

Dang right, his father knew

a happy little boy picking up road kill?? are you kidding me? does he show grandma his collection?

God he seems so medicated!

Not one tear from his family

I actually used to do the same thing and still do, where I’d go around and collect dead animals. We’d bury the bones, then a few months later dig them up and bleach them. We even had beetle boxes a one point. I have a really cool collection of skulls, including boar skulls, alligator skulls, an assortment of fossilized bones even from animals that don’t exist anymore. In fact right after hurricane Ian just a few weeks ago I found a opossum skull and a rat skull in the mangroves that have been destroyed, and thus all the bones were easy to find. There were also raccoon bones. So that to me isn’t weird at all. But when he starts desecrating remains by nailing them up or being disrespectful with them or sourcing them by killing animals himself…. That is rucking problematic!

The parents were so negligent and crappy. If they’d paid any attention to him he’d have been medicated way early on. They sucked.

he attacked a teenage boy. how can you miss that?

He liked to explore the human anatomy people get paid well for doing that however you do need a college degree and it is illegal to kill but sometimes I see no difference I could not stomach working on a dead person or a live one for that matter

And yes I have a story to share. I've tried doing so several times and YOU REFUSED ME! My sister was raped and strangled and her body dumped in a field just blocks from her home. The ones responsible have never been arrested

Well… I think personally something happened here. There’s more than likely a reason for his mother leaving, and someone did something to him for him to evolve into the human being we know he is today…

well encouraging him to cut up animals in the shed didn't help........

I never thought babies had sweet baby breath? Am I the only one who thought that was strange to say????

Judging Jeffrey Dahmer’s childhood activities, there are way too more children out here in today’s world. Multiplied by millions i would say. Small kids stomped infants head, teenage killing their parents, their own blood. Aren’t those red flag too? Jeff Dahmer was gone, gone long time back, why would you always bring the trauma to the victims and Jeffs family too. People need to take actions what is going today’s world.

Am sorry, but Lionel Dahmer is also so lack of emotions despite the years that have passed and for the TREMENDOUS horror his son did to those bodies and family he can't just say. Oh sorry! Ups. I truly believe he played an important part in this but only wanted to get money and wash his hands... And he didn't gave a damn bout Jeffrey he only cared bout his new lover Shary and left Jeff even with HIS MOTHER that was old and needed care.

I do think that the father knew that sth was wrong with him, but how could he see that his son is gonna be a serial killer. I mean you have to consider the time, age and background of the parents.

That little boy had a DOUBLE HERNIA REMOVAL age (was it 4? Or 7?)...they MOVED... That's when even in the videos you see the child completely change. 1) WHAT CAUSES A CHILD/TODDLER TO HAVE A DOUBLE HERNIA AT THAT AGE..... 2) What happened that his EVIDENT change occured.... In my heart.... I believe (whether he was hurt as a child IDC ATP)... JDahmer is/was Homosexual. AndLionel COULD NOT DEAL. Listen to their phone calls. Look at all the ways Lionel shipped his son off. I kinda believe Lionel abandoned Jeff BECAUSE he can't deal w/ having a gay son. Its kind of heartbreaking there are parents out there that make having children ALL ABOUT THEM...

Yes and his primary victim was & so till remains his Father

It is so wrong on so many levels to blame the father (Lionel Dahmer). It is completely conceivable that Mr. Dahmer didn't know about his son collecting dead animals. Parents are very aware now of everything their kids are doing, but this was a very different time - the 60s and 70s - when it was very common for kids to roam around and play outside for hours at a time without their parents knowing what they were doing. That was even happening in the 80s when I grew up. Plus they lived in a rural part of Ohio where that would have been even more common than in the urban areas. Even Jeffrey Dahmer himself said multiple times that he is solely responsible for his terrible acts and that his parents are completely innocent and bear no responsibility for what he did.

They didnt want to deal with their son and we reaped the consequences. They are responsible as well. You dont forgive the devil

To be fair, i know A LOT of kids who were bringing road kill home. They usually collected skulls and cool bones. My close friend did that. He is a surgeon now, not a psycho killer. Whats problematic is animal killing, torture and doing weir things with the remains. Collecting road kill doesnt sound weird to me. Lots of kids do that. I feel like most ppl in this comment section, including Dr. Phil are such city rats and have no idea about things that for example countryside kids do.

He lived his grandmother so much he brought back victims and dismembered them or drugged had sexual activity killed them cut them up right in her home in her house with her upstairs but he loved respected his grandmother BULLS…..T

What’s with his hair colour

I always laugh when ppl talk about warning signs bc no parent ever contemplates whether their son or daughter will turn out to be a serial killer with 20 victims... The victims have a right to their feelings but i disagree with putting total blame on the parents. There are hundreds of thousands of kids in america that are shy and awkward. As for the roadkill it is it really that hard to believe the parents had no clue??? Not hard to not be seen in a country area with heavy forestation.

I don't think it's fair to blame his father.

I agree 100% with you Dr. Phil. Yup you called it!!!!!

😠 😡 😤 not his place to tell their family members of their loved ones when it's time to forgive and forget there are some of them that will forgive and there's some of them will never forgive and is there right that is between them and God I'm glad you forgive sir but by this movie coming up and way they displayed him making money off of it in the family is not getting it probably make them even hate him even more bygones can't not be bygones when you're shoving it in their face the horror and crimes that's been committed to their loved ones all over again they making money off of it not the family and people are worshiping him even after his death and you don't think there are horrified and mad you shouldn't be asking for forgiveness who should be is the movie people and the people behind it who made the money and not even considered a family not even consider if everything in the story was true yes the public need to know exactly what happened to these precious people who died in a horrifying way but on the other hand they were compassionate they weren't thoughtful of the families and they just did it out of money grab and for that all of them are evil you got rappers that wanted to know where his glasses was from that's crazy you know people are sick and is deranged out here really in the celebrity world I can only feel the pain for these families in their closest loved ones their children it was a slap in the face no one stopped production and it kept on moving and they made a lot of money and if they was really sorry they would include the families who took the most loss people who are dead does not hurt it's the people who's living when he decided to kill their loved ones in that horrifying way he also killed most of their family he put them on display in a lot of them probably died with their loved ones. Stop asking for something you should ask for yourself include yourself only stop speaking for others that's what I will tell him it's not your place if you want it to ask that you should have had them on this platform with Dr Phil and this is my true thoughts 😠

I've seen that clip with the dog and it's hard to watch him grab that little pup by legs and hyperextend his shoulders. I kinda had that feeling when I saw the weird way Lionel was throwing Jeffrey around too. No affection or tenderness, just like tossing around an object.

Personally the picking up the dog thing my kids have done that .soooooo?

Forgiveness seems a very strange subject - how can we forgive Jeffrey for what he has done? Is it just so the families involved can cope better? It is a shame Jeffrey had to suffer from fantasies that drove him to do this but forgiveness doesn't seem natural (it is religious beliefs which make it sound right). We need to find answers to stop this from happening again. If he could have been treated so his disorder didn't make him want to do these things, then it seems sensible that we should forgive him. If Jeffrey had been cured he probably would have needed long-term counseling to cope with his monstrous past. I think this is why he drank so much, so it was easier to act out his horrible fantasies. Weirdly, he didn't do it for one whole year and claimed he just didn't get the opportunity but if the fantasies were so strong, he surely would have made the time. I wonder if anything that year decreased his condition, seems strange he could cope with not doing gross things for so long. Maybe he looked at less porn for whatever reason which decreased the fantasies.

Wow. Talk about a group of people with NO compassion! Jeffrey's father did NOTHING wrong. You all treated him like some kind of evil villain. Jeff was his SON. No matter WHAT he did, first and foremost that man is his father. How many people could even FATHOM that their son they love could be doing those TERRIBLE things? And Dr. Phil.... SHAME ON YOU!!! If I had a dime for every time you've espoused, "I'm the least judgemental person I know" I'd be a millionaire! Well not on this show you weren't! Not one person up there showed one ounce of empathy for that man. Just THINK what he's been through.... Loving his son who did these awful things. I've studied the Dahmer case extensively and know the agony this man must have every waking moment of his life since his son's crimes were exposed. Everyone on that stage should be ashamed how you treated that man and the contempt in your voices. HE didn't hurt your relatives and that's his SON you're expecting him to condemn and say bad things about. It's sure easy to be a judge and jury AFTER THE FACT. Shameful. My heart goes out to that man. He needs to stop going on these shows whose only goal is to try to get him to say hurtful things about a son that he loved. Where is your empathy and compassion for God's sake? I found your treatment and condemnation of him disgusting.

All these cozy home videos does NOT alter the fact of who he really was deep down inside 😒

This guy!!! He spends more time asking for forgiveness for his monster than he spends apologizing to the victims. SMH Talk about selfish. If we tortured and killed his monster would he forgive us? No way. All he cares about is own monster, no remorse for the victims SMH I'm not a great judge of character but even I can see that the father is crazy too. And what's with the wanting to honor Jeffrey Dahmer's wishes to be creamated??? Jeffrey Dahmer disrespected all those body's but his father fought to give Jeffrey an honorable cremation?????????? Yea that father is the problem. I have a suggestion for this guy. Since he believes in forgiveness so much, go strike up a friendship with the great hero Christopher Scarver. Hey Lionel go give Chris Scarver a huge. Go put some money Chris Scarver's books. Give Chris Scarver's kids and family some money. Post a picture of you hugging the great Chris Scarver since you're so obsessed with forgiveness. Practice what you preach or shut up. I forgive Chris Scarver for ended the life of your monster since you have such a crazy obsession for forgiveness. He mentions nothing about forgiving my hero Chris Scarver for ending the life of notorious monster Jeffrey Dahmer. Typical selfish guy. Since he's so obsessed with forgiveness, I want to see him strike up a real loving friendship with Chris Scarver. Practice what you preach Mr. Dahmer. Beg the state of Wisconsin to release Chris Scarver. FREE CHRIS SCARVER! FREE CHRIS SCARVER! FREE CHRIS SCARVER!!! If we're going to forgive the monster Jeffrey Dahmer who killed and tortured 17 INNOCENT people including a poor kid then by logical deduction we must also forgive The Great Christopher Scarver who only killed 3 people, 3 guilty, horrible sounding people I might add. Actually Chris only killed 2 people, I don't consider the 3rd to really be a person. I'm closer to a real cop than the actual cops. I would have busted Ole Jeffrey on my first opportunity.

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