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Jesus Flips the Tables // A House Of Prayer or Predators? IHOPKC & Mike Bickle Scandal

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Wake Up and Win Podcast

Wake Up and Win Podcast

8 ай бұрын

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Currently covering the IHOPKC and Mike Bickle scandal as Blaise spent almost 5 years in leadership at IHOPKC and gives context and breakdown to much of the controversy.
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@guadalupeeg5034
@guadalupeeg5034 8 ай бұрын
There is nothing wrong with getting ANGRY about situations of injustice. There is no need to justify it.
@AmericanDreamAlbum
@AmericanDreamAlbum 8 ай бұрын
For too long leaders in sin have used scripture to quiet the sheep. Stay humble, stay humble, don’t have emotion, don’t judge, look at yourself…. All the while, those leaders are living in deep darkness. If the righteous don’t rise up and speak who will? Thank you Blaise.
@mombythesea2426
@mombythesea2426 8 ай бұрын
You don't accidentally abuse someone. You don't have a misunderstanding and one person just abuses the other for years. This isn't an "oh, my bad!" situation. Its not a mistake. This was an intentional, deliberate, predatory action. He acted like the wolf acts when it preys on victims. Wolves dont get to apologize like sheep.
@machtnichtsseimann
@machtnichtsseimann 8 ай бұрын
While strongly supporting defending victims of abuse, individuals who have not dealt with their past ( having been abused ) can then go on and project their denied pain/rage/bitterness onto others and perpetuate abuse themselves. To your point, though, on it going on for years, we must take into consideration a sense of proportion. How long? To what degree? I lean towards your judgment here, there are definitely wolves in sheep's clothing in the Church, among our beloved leaders. I am very skeptical of those who play dumb and act like they absolutely didn't know what they were doing when they abused another, very skeptical, but it still seems possible for the deeply traumatized to be blind to their sinful actions as well. ( I've met and known individuals over the years who were de-sensitized to their clouded views on reality, relationships, sin, who had been abused when younger. They all are Christians, but jaded, even though they would insist they love God, take Him seriously, etc. Well, they do and they don't. They are anything from ignorant to in denial of how they don't take the Lord and life and respect of others seriously. )
@mombythesea2426
@mombythesea2426 7 ай бұрын
@@machtnichtsseimann I agree that someone who has not healed can pass that on to others and not understand the pain they cause. But, the key words there are "not healed". Once you have accepted Christ, He changes you. It doesn't happen overnight, but truly changed people don't stay the same for decades. You can't remain indifferent the the pain you cause if you're genuinely seeking out God and righteousness. It may take time, but there will be a pattern of changed behaviors, genuine repentance, true apologies, and making things right.
@lolabear6788
@lolabear6788 4 ай бұрын
Truth! Matthew 18 applies to true spirit brothers in The Lord.
@user-fd6ug9qq4y
@user-fd6ug9qq4y 8 ай бұрын
I want to applaud you and your wife for bringing out the truth in allowing people to have their feelings about what is going on. You are so well spoken and giving very good emotional and spiritual truth to help others!! The voice of the righteous must be heard to help others navigate these times!! This is a teaching moment to help the Body of Christ to become the bride who has no spot or wrinkle!! Keep being the voice others can follow !!!
@sherylturnerturner1352
@sherylturnerturner1352 8 ай бұрын
This all saddens me for those harmed at IHOPKC. I left "church" 20 years ago and have tried to get back into a fellowship and just can't. I see the whole machine in operation from 20 years ago. Money and power is far too great for most, grieves me for the heart of Jesus too.
@VitalTruthTell
@VitalTruthTell 8 ай бұрын
Hey just a thought… if your looking for some fellowship and teaching beyond the machine, I’m in same position as you and this is really helping me, check out Chip Brogden - the ministry of Christ. Just google it. It might be something you like. Blessings jo.
@JhutaNabi
@JhutaNabi 8 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear this. Institutional religion and “church” are two different things. Maybe God is keeping you from fellowshipping in the wrong places. Maybe we are missing who He wants us to be in community with, because of the stereotypes in our heads. You don’t need to “get back” into fellowship. God is sending or will send fellowship TO you.
@rachaelwalvatne6221
@rachaelwalvatne6221 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for calling this out and not backing down. It has been covered up way too long
@couragedearheart2951
@couragedearheart2951 8 ай бұрын
MB needs to get out and get a JOB! I was at IHOPKC. Several of my daughters have been interns there. It needs to be shut down! The. End. The BIBLE! Back to the WORD!!!!
@heidibrown997
@heidibrown997 8 ай бұрын
Every bit of the 25mill. sitting in IHOP accounts, needs to be gifted to credible ministries.
@borneyraybergantine2124
@borneyraybergantine2124 8 ай бұрын
I LEFT 5 YEARS AGO WHEN MIKE ANNOUNCED WE ARE NOT CHURCH DISCIPLINNING HOMOSEXUALS FROM THE WORSHIP TEAM, BECASUE I AM NOT WASTING THE LORDS MONEY IN A LAWSUIT. @@heidibrown997
@christiansoldiergirl6380
@christiansoldiergirl6380 8 ай бұрын
The accounting is shady too. Non transparent and all donor should require accountability. Non disclosures in a red flag . Do your do diligence. If someone will cheat on his wife you have to wonder what else. You want to trust them but when trust has been broken and you are lied to I think it’s time to do some digging. Do you think he was using donor money to house and travel w these young women. Arise O Lord and start turn over the money tables. The light shines into the darkness which is usually something people want to avoid but we are commanded to expose and stop evil. The money should go back if fowl play to the one who may have also been deceived. I hope it’s not true but have seen it way too many time and yes it angers God and those who know and love Him. Love what he loves and hate what He hates(good and evil). Help us Lord to know and do your will! ❤Bring healing in your wings to the wounded!
@katt1138
@katt1138 8 ай бұрын
Exactly.. Flip the tables and walk away...back to the Word... not video after video... smells alot like " disguised gossip" we all know what we now know , MB was bowing to Jezebel while shouting David...
@transformtodaywithteresa7005
@transformtodaywithteresa7005 8 ай бұрын
I haven’t been able to find a church that I can stay in because things get weird. I discern and feel the junk. I long for genuine fellowship with accountability. I think the church system is making us unhealthy spiritually. I just study the word and try to talk sense to my friends who follow these false leaders like star struck Groupies. It’s so frustrating and sad. We need to turn those tables.
@lavadamorrison4569
@lavadamorrison4569 8 ай бұрын
At one time in my walk I was listening to and believing in the ministry of Rich Joyner, Mike Bickle, and some of the other So called prophets. I followed the teachings of Benny Hinn and Cindy Jacobs etc. But as time went on and I became more knowledgeable of the scriptures I began to doubt them. I still am charismatic in my beliefs but see so many wolves and false prophets out there that I am very careful who I follow and listen to. Most of these prophets and so-called apostles of today are part of the NAR, and Word of Faith Movement. It is no more than witchcraft, control and false doctrine. Doctrines of devils.
@paulmartin2664
@paulmartin2664 8 ай бұрын
We are members of the church Wes Martin pastors. This scandal was a wake up call for us because it connected the dots of NAR aberrant teachings being platformed at our church. Mike Bickle was highly respected by our leadership. Two of our lead pastors are Bickle disciples. Chris Reed, Dr Michael Brown, Floyd Brown and Charlie Kirk were all platformed, their books recommended etc. The character of the church completely changed. Were no longer focus on the Gospel, the clear teaching of the Cross is gone. The primary message has become a careful curated christian nationalism. Needless to say we are moving on. They are preaching another gospel.
@mothersgauri4137
@mothersgauri4137 8 ай бұрын
Bingo ! All one needs do is to actually read the Scriptures and compare the teachings. It is sad that so many just won't do that and get led down a very dark path indeed. Thank you.
@splainyourself9811
@splainyourself9811 8 ай бұрын
My kids were victims of sra at the church and church school we attended. It took years to come out. I was a single mom and clueless as to what was going on in secret. They were experts about keeping it under wraps. I left the church 30 years ago. Have not found another church but have attended home fellowships. I don't talk about it as when I have in the past i get the whole "forgive" sermon. They have no clue what this sort of thing does to a person. 20 years of my life and my kids lives were lost. Very painful, and no one to share it with other than one of the victims. My relationship with my kids was destroyed because of their own woundedness.
@WakeUpandWinPodcast
@WakeUpandWinPodcast 8 ай бұрын
Wow 😮 I know these stories are real. I’ve heard them 😢 Thank you for sharing and thank you for encouraging us to keep speaking up so that we can minimize these situations in the future. 🙏🏼
@splainyourself9811
@splainyourself9811 8 ай бұрын
@@WakeUpandWinPodcast One good thing that came out of my situation is I can see through the "spiritual" facade. There are many wolves in sheeps clothing that even very good people and prophets cannot discern the deception. The enemy truley does come as an angel of light.
@sarahkirbach5040
@sarahkirbach5040 8 ай бұрын
@@splainyourself9811I agree with you 💯- I feel for you, about your prior situation. I cannot imagine living through that. God be with you & your children
@sherylturnerturner1352
@sherylturnerturner1352 8 ай бұрын
My Lord, thank you for sharing you pain. I just couldn't imagine. You are so right in how the church are masters at denying, shaming and covering up horrible acts. I pray that one day all could be healed between you and your children.😓
@splainyourself9811
@splainyourself9811 8 ай бұрын
@@sherylturnerturner1352 Thank you for your kind reply!
@marywesley6460
@marywesley6460 8 ай бұрын
You are absolutely right. So much idolatry in the church, following "leaders" instead of Jesus. Judgement begins in the house of the Lord. Thank you for your clarity on this matter. There are victims, ruined by those who claim to be of "God".....I believe that God said something about "millstones" regarding those who harm his young ones. There is mercy and forgiveness, but first one must truly repent.
@wayneboyer7648
@wayneboyer7648 8 ай бұрын
For those who had open worship, even subtle worship of the personality, we are also seeing a lust for the cutting edge. I've done it off and on for decades. One group doesn't offer "the best," or the latest fad worship, so I've seen many with me, just go to the next "cutting edge." Often the worship of a person and then lust for cutting edge can open up the sheep to a cult-like atmosphere. It's because leadership sees the power they have.
@JhutaNabi
@JhutaNabi 8 ай бұрын
@@wayneboyer7648 💯🎯 I call it the Smart Phone Syndrome. Need the latest every few months or so… 😆
@PizzaRoyalty
@PizzaRoyalty 8 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, for decades the Western Church (with all its optimism) forgot that emotions are ok...normal...and God made. He created us with emotions. Ignoring emotions is not only wrong but dangerous.
@JhutaNabi
@JhutaNabi 8 ай бұрын
🎯💯
@rolladallas9178
@rolladallas9178 8 ай бұрын
It must be really bad, if they're hiding this hard
@cricketmay8640
@cricketmay8640 8 ай бұрын
You can have mercy and forgiveness towards someone and STILL require them to accept responsibility. These are criminal acts by sexual predators.
@francine6485
@francine6485 8 ай бұрын
I don't feel any emotion except for feeling bad for the victims. I got out of these type of churches years ago.
@HeartAliveToday
@HeartAliveToday 8 ай бұрын
Same here!
@spiritsongministries4957
@spiritsongministries4957 8 ай бұрын
So appreciate your words and encouragement to continue to speak out about this which is so necessary. The glory of God in the church is holiness, righteousness and purity of his bride. We’re seeing the antithesis of that through this wickedness among His people. Your description of the distinction between wolves and the true shepherds was on point. I was here during the early years at KCF and was witness to the false prophecies of Bob Jones that MB has leaned on all these years to lend credibility to the “ministry”. I warned the leaders then after presenting 12 specific “words, visions, or dreams” Jones spoke that were contrary to scripture and any sound doctrine. They agreed because everything was recorded on cassette tapes so they could review his prophecies. I told them they had a wolf among the sheep and he was tearing them up. They said they didn’t see things like I did. I asked, “How do you see it?” They said “We believe he is “young” in the prophetic office and needs time and grace to grow in these things.” I said “I’ve told you there’s a wolf among the sheep and you’re telling me he’s a young wolf. The result is the same.” We left the church at that time. Now your generation is experiencing the consequences of their inaction and negligence as shepherds. They sacrificed the flock to keep the show going.
@jamesfowler4537
@jamesfowler4537 8 ай бұрын
As far as people getting bak on stage after failurr....the STAGE itself is half the problem...whati it is and has become. There's no business like show business and no drug like Celebrity.
@janewhitely964
@janewhitely964 8 ай бұрын
💯
@borneyraybergantine2124
@borneyraybergantine2124 8 ай бұрын
THE CULT OF PERSONALITY! NO ACCOUNTABILITY. KOOL-AID IS SERVED AT BICKELS TOWER OF BABEL LEADING SHEEP AWAY FROM THE THRONE AND BACK TO ROMAN CATHOLICISM. ERNIE PROPERLY REBUKED MIKE FOR ROMAN CATHOLIC HERESY DECADES AGO.
@michaeltaylor2270
@michaeltaylor2270 8 ай бұрын
AND the lazy unbiblical audiences that just because someone says Jesus or God believes they are truly spiritual without analyzing what they are really preaching (or not preaching).
@sunsetstormx
@sunsetstormx 8 ай бұрын
💯💯💯💯
@laurareed2614
@laurareed2614 8 ай бұрын
Totally TRUE statement. SO VERY SAD😢.
@darbydickey
@darbydickey 8 ай бұрын
The true prophets who warned the nation of Israel to repent for judgement was coming, were hated by their countrymen. The false prophets on the other hand prophesied good things and the people loved them. There is nothing new under the sun. Stay humble and keep sounding the alarm. God bless you!
@mombythesea2426
@mombythesea2426 8 ай бұрын
EVERYONE should be reading the prophets right now. Just going through jeremiah will shatter the idea that God doesn't care about sinful behavior.
@gigifreefreed501
@gigifreefreed501 8 ай бұрын
Thank you, Blaise and Christina.
@couragedearheart2951
@couragedearheart2951 8 ай бұрын
The SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR! This is where the department happens. The BIBLE is disregarded. It is the PLUMB LINE. NOT any “prophesy!”
@twelvmnkys
@twelvmnkys 8 ай бұрын
The term "moral failure" has come up repeatedly in this sad several-month situation. Including in MB's concession letter. I've heard that term many times since being in the evangelical scene; from at least 1982. It just occurred to me that (unless I REALLY missed something), the term "moral failure" isn't in scripture. Also, I've never heard it used outside American Evangelical culture. Normal people (non-evangelicals) don't use the term. "Moral failure" is a very obscure term. It can mean anything one wants it to mean. Scripturally, it might describe failing to follow Jesus' teachings. "Morals" is from a root word meaning, "that which is acceptable in a society." Therefore, hating one's neighbors instead of loving them; doing injustice, oppressing the poor, etc.--- things like that--- would probably be the definition of "moral failure" for a Christian (if the term had actually been used in scripture.) This is a brand new thought to me, so I'm not expounding it very well. But since it's such a vague term, it's a convenient way to obscure a discussion and change a confession into a concession. It would be easy to backtrack a confession by saying something like, "What I meant by moral failure was that I was harboring bitterness against a brother."
@JhutaNabi
@JhutaNabi 8 ай бұрын
God is exposing various kinds of evil within the church. Cleaning up things. With every new exposure one endemic problem persists, and it isn’t about the leaders or perpetrators. It is about Christendom in general. Clergy and laity alike, we respect and follow gifting and talent more than character. Why? Because character is boring. No excitement or pizzazz. Until we, the rank and file, change who we admire and follow, we get the leaders we deserve.
@laurareed2614
@laurareed2614 8 ай бұрын
So true
@matthewcraig8926
@matthewcraig8926 8 ай бұрын
"Let me say this again.....I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman".. ---Bill Clinton. Sad to see this happening, especially in the Church this time around.
@busterbarlow9094
@busterbarlow9094 8 ай бұрын
Wow that had not crossed my mind yet. Crazy how much dancing around words there is with this. How is someone not supposed to think it much worse than they are showing.
@karencrawley7377
@karencrawley7377 8 ай бұрын
I have thought of the Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky debacle so many times too!!
@sunsetstormx
@sunsetstormx 8 ай бұрын
Last time I checked the word just looking at a woman is already committing adultery.
@mothersgauri4137
@mothersgauri4137 8 ай бұрын
Great video. Thank you for this sharing, expressing so many good points. Sadly, people like Mike Bickle, will keep twisting words unless or until they are put in a position where that just won't work any more. And I find it shameful when people use the excuse of being "loving" when they try to cover up situations like this and "excuse" serious, harmful actions.. I would encourage people to CAREFULLY listen to the actual words that people say if you don't want to be deceived.. . People make a "mistake" when they put ANY man on a pedestal. Yes there are people we respect and can learn from. People who might guide and help us. But all men are HUMAN. It is GOD that we worship, it is GOD that all good comes from. It is GOD who does the healing, and it is our own faith in that God that has opened us to healing. God is the one who gives us grace.....NOT MEN. Respect people....don't worship them as infallible. And when ANYONE says they are speaking for God.......BEWARE !! When we put our full faith in the man who may have been a momentary vehicle for a word or a healing, , we have stepped outside of God and opened up to deception.. And when that man thinks he has done the healing, or is the one who is giving blessings, he has opened himself up to Satan. The carnal nature of men is strong. Egos are weak. And deception is easy. All of these "new" movements have become man centered and are clearly destroying the Christian faith. It is Satan's work. Wolves in sheep's clothing. People need to start understanding this and go back to what Jesus ACTUALLY taught. Bibles need to be read IN CONTEXT. And people need to pray and develop their own personal relationship with God. Do not rely on deceived people to guide you no matter how charismatic they are. LISTEN to the actual words you are being told by someone. If you do, you will know what is really being said.....where the lies are. Where the word salad comes into play. The deception begins with adulterated teachings. Twisting of Biblical verses to mean things that will then lead into further deception. You stop it, by calling out the false teachings in the first place. But people are wowed by the charisma, the love bombing, the "feel good" message, and the fancy trimmings and forget what Christianity is really all about. But you won't forget, if you are indeed well grounded in your Bible . ANYONE can claim to hear from God. Sadly, it is now happening everywhere. We are in times of great deception. It doesn't matter who claims what. What matters is that people go to Scripture and understand the truth. Scripture clearly explains about false prophets and what should be done. Of course the false prophets clearly avoid those parts of scripture, and they will use other parts to twist the message to make it sound like they are speaking truth. ALWAYS go back and verify Scripture. Many are deceived.. few will actually search out the truth. To not be "judgemental", to never point fingers or call anyone out is one of the BIGGEST control methods that false teachers use....Christian and no Christian alike. Set the leader apart and as untouchable....( don't touch God's anointed)....is the part of a big lie. Any and every cult does that. And saying the words "I am so humble" does not make a humble man. Those who are struggling with their feelings and emotions, and think their feelings are "unbiblical, " needs to go back to the Scriptures and see what the Bible REALLY says. Read Jesus actual words and teachings. Folks have been fed twisted and false interpretations, and passages out of context.(And often the Old Testament is misused.) They might be pleasantly surprised to discover a God of love, compassion and understanding forgiveness. A God who is on your side !!!! Those who have been following IHOP and any of the related movements have not been taught what real Christianity is about. Remember, you fool people by including a certain amount of truth in order to make it seem legitimate. EVERY false teaching includes some truth or it would never sell. I hope people can start reading their Bibles in full context and discover the wonderful God and Savior that is there for them...now, in this time of struggle and always. Just imagine if all these "leaders" were to be spending their time actually reading and living by the Bible, and spending time on their knees in real prayer, how simple life would have been. Indeed, we reap what we sow. This whole, seemingly complex mess, boils down to some very basic truths. There are good folks who have been calling these false ministries out for years. Sadly, people have refused to listen as they thought no one is allowed to "criticize" others. If people would ONLY read their Bibles and look up texts that are given and see the full context...please !! Deception is SO easy when people just "follow blindly" anyone who has charisma. This is SO,SO IMPORTANT. Discernment is NECESSARY and the BIBLE will tell you that as well !!!!! The problem here is not in Christianity. It is in men who want to start "new movements" that want to change the original message that needs NO change. The "change" is to open up doors that allow for the type of harm you are seeing. I hope we can ALL search our hearts during this very challenging time. No blame or shame is even needed... just turn to the actual truth and you will find your answers. The truth shall set you free. As for folks like Mike Bickle, there are indeed laws.....both worldly and spiritual, that do apply. If people are not willing to take responsibility for their actions in this life, then justice WILL be served in the next. We do have free will..... If Mike honestly does believe in the God he "claims" to not only believe in but to speak for, I would hope he decides to use his free will wisely. In the end, there is no escape. I apologize for this long comment. Obviously this whole situation is incredibly important. I appreciate your making videos addressing all of this.
@deborahlee4441
@deborahlee4441 8 ай бұрын
I think it’s important to clarify that signs and wonders are not always from God. Balaam and the priests of Egypt.
@jizx8070
@jizx8070 8 ай бұрын
All of those women were someone's daughter, and someone ELSE'S future wife, mother, grandmother. We all get ONE woman. ONE. Every other woman is for someone else. "Do to others as you would want them to do to you" - Jesus
@bobpaul4572
@bobpaul4572 8 ай бұрын
Amen! Well Stated! 👍
@cjshine7984
@cjshine7984 8 ай бұрын
If you stuff your feelings down without expressing them, it will show up in your body physically. That is in part why so many of us that went through abuse have chronic illnesses. Sadly, most religions teach you to stuff your feelings down or take the toxic positivity approach. Both have lasting damaging affects. Anger is a gift. It means you care. To not be angry at evil is indifference.
@jeweliedee4299
@jeweliedee4299 8 ай бұрын
I came across this Scripture this morning and thought of Bickle and prayed for his repentance and the healing of the victims. I Timothy 1:19: .."having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck..." Lord, draw Mike Bickle to return to a good conscience so that the suffering of all the people of IHOP can end.
@erikaveltkamp4209
@erikaveltkamp4209 8 ай бұрын
This is what’s scary about “grooming”. It’s very careful and strategic crossing of the boundaries that causes a person to question their own instincts. The younger person thinks “oh that’s weird, but I guess it’s different for them…” and then when the predator finally does something “bigger” a person feels obligated to them because they care for them or want to protect them. Especially when the victim is not fully adult. It takes time and reflection to know they’ve been violated and betrayed. And they need other people who love them to help them with this process.
@wrshpr4lf
@wrshpr4lf 8 ай бұрын
I'm definitely charismatic, but I'm not impressed with men's gifting as I am impressed with their character and personal life. There is no comparison. And once these guys have fallen in this way, there can be no restoration to public ministry. Not necessary to promote or perpetuate their misrepresentation of Jesus. Just restore them to their families and go on quietly with your life. No more platform. Period.
@spiritsongministries4957
@spiritsongministries4957 8 ай бұрын
Agree 💯
@pattibergeron6815
@pattibergeron6815 8 ай бұрын
I think you are right on! Thank you it is very helpful! This truly need to be dealt with. It needs to be exposed. Luke 12:1-2
@borneyraybergantine2124
@borneyraybergantine2124 8 ай бұрын
Ephesians 5:11
@sarahkirbach5040
@sarahkirbach5040 8 ай бұрын
I felt like I was being judgmental of him, but the more that comes out the worse it obviously is. Not that MB can’t have mercy. But we’re talking about years and years of deceit, similar to the Razi Z scandal. Bickle was found out before he died. The two situations are so similar IMO.
@marshayoder7627
@marshayoder7627 8 ай бұрын
Let's look closer at the supposed "restorers"! Rick Joyner who leads this charge. His track record is 0!
@M_Soaring
@M_Soaring 8 ай бұрын
International House Of Predators
@ResurrectionLifeMin
@ResurrectionLifeMin 8 ай бұрын
Jesus wept 😢
@phyllisd.5640
@phyllisd.5640 8 ай бұрын
. Please do not give up.. God bless and keep you.. My heart breaks over the condition of the Church that continues to enable these spiritually manipulative behaviors that lead to sexual abuse. I have seen this in charismatic churches for years. I no longer attend a church. Stay strong.. ❤ even if others come against you.. ..
@phyllisd.5640
@phyllisd.5640 8 ай бұрын
I do know this happens in other types of churches.. But the root issue of elevating men to a 'position' equal to God.. Why, oh, why, can't people see these teachings are at the root.. It is an American and western church corruption & no one sees it .. 😭
@IAM2388
@IAM2388 8 ай бұрын
Please don't be discouraged and attend a church
@phyllisd.5640
@phyllisd.5640 8 ай бұрын
​@@IAM2388thank you.❤
@davidschefter4160
@davidschefter4160 8 ай бұрын
​@@phyllisd.5640 Calvary Chapel churches teach the through yhe whole Bible, very good doctrinally sound churches, maybe there's one in your area. God Bless!
@mombythesea2426
@mombythesea2426 8 ай бұрын
I don't attend anymore either. It's cult after cult, business after business, abuser after abuser. Money is their master. I just read and study with a few friends.
@shirleygibbs5523
@shirleygibbs5523 8 ай бұрын
Mike Bickle’s definition of repentance is grossly flawed. David was full of remorse in PS 51 having abused his God given power and used it to harm others. David wasn’t expecting an erasure of a peccadillo by naming it, he was broken hearted that he had broken faith with God. David truly repented, Mike presumed upon Jesus’s sacrifice and doing so, devalued it. Cheap grace!
@spiritsongministries4957
@spiritsongministries4957 8 ай бұрын
Repenting of adultery, sexual immorality and manipulation multiple times isn’t repentance. Repentance is turning away from your sin and back to God.
@hyacinthbucket593
@hyacinthbucket593 8 ай бұрын
I believe the trauma therapist's channel you were referring to (around 3:00 minutes) was "bethandryan".
@karencrawley7377
@karencrawley7377 8 ай бұрын
That’s the one I thought he meant too. Beth and Ryan
@watchingpraying7763
@watchingpraying7763 8 ай бұрын
Beth has been doing a great job on her analysis of emails, letters, etc from the trauma therapist's standpoint. Very helpful!
@dawneldon7433
@dawneldon7433 8 ай бұрын
The leadership team is confusing Matt 18 and 1Tim where it says to rebuke leadership in the presence of the whole church,so that the whole church doesn't fall into the same sin.
@markslivka3806
@markslivka3806 8 ай бұрын
Close it all down and lock em up !!!
@borneyraybergantine2124
@borneyraybergantine2124 8 ай бұрын
REVELATION 3:5 JESUS HAS THE KEYS OF DEATH AND HELL AND THERE IS NO ESCAPE! JESUS DOES NOT HAVE TO GIVE REPENTANCE!
@janewhitely964
@janewhitely964 8 ай бұрын
We need true shepherds in the Body of Christ.
@vernonlong4936
@vernonlong4936 7 ай бұрын
I spent a few hours in the IHOPKC prayer room last night and again this morning. I believe there are so many great people here- I was at IHOPKC 2004-2009, God will pull them through in spite of the actions of one man. God has a big investment in that ministry.
@WriteByLisa
@WriteByLisa 8 ай бұрын
My pastors were at Lakeland and shared many, many testimonies of healing. Todd is a total charlatan, but there were healings there.
@phyllisd.5640
@phyllisd.5640 8 ай бұрын
That is because those healings cane from a loving God, not Todd.
@heidibrown997
@heidibrown997 8 ай бұрын
Miracles will also come through the antichrist in the end times.
@borneyraybergantine2124
@borneyraybergantine2124 8 ай бұрын
LYING SIGNS AND WONDRS LEAD PEOPLE AWAY FROM HOLINESS EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY HAVE BEEN MADE PHYSICALLY WHOLE. JESUS WARNED ABOUT THOSE WHO GO WHOLE INTO HELL BECAUSE THEY NEVER LET THE HOLY SPIRIT CUT THE SIN OFF OF THEIR LIVES.@@heidibrown997
@josee2676
@josee2676 8 ай бұрын
Judas went did miracles with the other apostles when Jesus sent them.
@lillisboyer260
@lillisboyer260 8 ай бұрын
Amen! God cares about the sheep
@ivanasimic2072
@ivanasimic2072 8 ай бұрын
If something like that happen to you, you dont go to them, you go directly to POLICE!
@shortfinancial
@shortfinancial 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Blaise. I love what you shared here.
@arcticfox2639
@arcticfox2639 8 ай бұрын
Psychopathic behavior.... read about this clinical diagnosis in DSM-V or watch a video on the traits of a Psychopath.
@heidibrown997
@heidibrown997 8 ай бұрын
Lots of money at stake, perhaps 25mill. That maybe the easier explanation. Wolf in sheep clothing is the other. Would Holy Spirit let YOU act out lies, deception, taking a young woman into the depth of depravity by grooming her with SPIRITUAL words And prophecy?
@arcticfox2639
@arcticfox2639 8 ай бұрын
@@heidibrown997 (Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist for over 30 years.) Psychopaths are deceivers in every way imaginable and have no conscience. Lots of these types in churches.
@Isaiah30v21
@Isaiah30v21 6 ай бұрын
Ephesians 4:26-27…be angry and do not sin. I just started following your podcast a few days ago. I watched the three most recent ones first, then decided to start at the beginning and move forward. Thank you so much for doing this for all of us. You’re doing a wonderful job keeping us informed, while taking the opportunity to minister at the same time. Today, I finally let myself express anger. But I realized I’m not just angry about this. I’m angry about the overwhelming injustice taking place all over the world. I’m angry about the attacks on innocent people globally-the attack on Israel being the most recent. We’re being invaded at our border, innocent people are languishing in prison, children are being trafficked with unspeakable things being done to them. And then we have this man who has allegedly been a predatory liar from the beginning of IHOPKC, still lying. A real man would admit to what he’s done and publicly apologize to those he has wronged, including Diane. But this man continues to waste time, money and resources in order to cover his rear end. So, I’m angry that we’re having to deal with this distraction during a time when we have serious, potentially life altering global events taking place. We need to collectively be praying and preparing for those things. This man needs escorting out of ministry with no promise of restoration. Maybe he will be restored, but only with intense, hard work and dogged accountability.
@christianearly1472
@christianearly1472 8 ай бұрын
I can testify to this. When I went to Lakeland, about 20 minutes after I walked into the arena, Todd Bentley had a word of knowledge. “There’s healing on a brain. There’s a brain injury from a car accident 8 years ago, and there’s healing on the right side of the brain! Hallelujah!” I was shocked. That was me. It was actually about 8 years and 2 months, but it was a brain injury on the right side from a car accident. I walked up to the stage, and Bentley prayed for me, declaring me completely healed. I felt nothing. But when I came back to Kansas City my hands and feet were on fire. I could see people’s aches and pains and they would be healed or feel God’s peace and presence when I touched them. People looked at me and saw a transformed person. This lasted for several months. So, yes, Bentley’s anointing was real. But after what he did, he never should have been restored to ministry. There’s a false doctrine going around charismatic leadership that we can press delete and move on. Are we forgiven? Yes. But are free from consequence when we hurt others? No.
@christianearly1472
@christianearly1472 8 ай бұрын
Also, I want to add that I had been on disability for eight years and after the healing I got off disability and was able to work and start a family. I had been told by doctors that this would never happen.
@IAM2388
@IAM2388 8 ай бұрын
Todd Bentley got restored but fell again according to some report.
@WriteByLisa
@WriteByLisa 8 ай бұрын
Oh, he fell a bunch of times. SMH.
@bsusie1
@bsusie1 8 ай бұрын
Sadly he only got restored by people like Rick Joyner, and others that overlooked Todd’s behavior. I watched Todd supposedly repenting, and he was crying saying he couldn’t give up the money he was getting. I watched him on several shows with Rick Joyner, and his whole focus was on what he’d lose if he stepped away from ministry. I can’t say I know his heart, but it’s obvious he wasn’t prepared for the position he was put in. Then he was surrounded by people that so wanted a hero of the faith to come on the scene. To see those same people standing by him after his false repentance was so difficult to watch.
@JackieAlnor
@JackieAlnor 8 ай бұрын
Lying signs and wonders!!!! If God healed his tooth it would be a restored white one. All that glitters is not real gold.
@leslie5646
@leslie5646 8 ай бұрын
Again thanks so much for this Blaise. 'Passion' and 'gossip' are things that come up in churches in accusation from the pulpit...mostly without any definition leaving a horrible feeling...
@spiritsongministries4957
@spiritsongministries4957 8 ай бұрын
Totally agree with you and appreciate your heart in all of this.
@jodikeehn4581
@jodikeehn4581 8 ай бұрын
Got to go listen to Chris ihop statement posted 12 hours ago..he was so wrong when he spoke for ihop that day..he is now apologizing..good.
@jonmarkbaker
@jonmarkbaker 8 ай бұрын
Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.
@lolabear6788
@lolabear6788 3 ай бұрын
Exactly, as Isaiah 1:23 says. “Your heads/princes/shields turn/rebel, companions of thieves, knit together deceivers, everyone loving donations and the safety of reciprocity.”
@bethnicolls
@bethnicolls 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for talking about this issue.
@lorrainemingrino9928
@lorrainemingrino9928 8 ай бұрын
It’s Not a Mistake it’s a Choice! No criminal likes to be held accountable so they say I made a mistake the criminal who says it was my choice is taking accountability!
@wrshpr4lf
@wrshpr4lf 8 ай бұрын
Preach! yes! get to the root, the spirit behind all this!
@joniford3979
@joniford3979 8 ай бұрын
Agree 100% brother. I went through my pastor (of a megachurch) failing. It is devatstating! When he was put out by the elders he went to manage a nightclub! Like a dog returns it's vomit he went back to the world that Yahweh deliverd him from!! So sad to see, but judgement begins at His house!! May He heal all of the broken hearts and bring peace to those who have been so hurt by all of this. Thank you for keeping the body informed so they cannot just mask their deeds by lawyering up.😢
@laurareed2614
@laurareed2614 8 ай бұрын
It is just so SAD this is going on in the body of Christ. We have to KEEP PRAYING AND STAYING IN THE WORD OF GOD. JUDGEMENT BEGINS WITH THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD. IF THE RIGHTEOUS ARE BARELY SAVED WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR UNBELIEVERS
@teetrevor
@teetrevor 8 ай бұрын
You may be doomed to disappointment because your eyes seem to be fixed on leaders rather than on the Leader
@markkozlowski3674
@markkozlowski3674 8 ай бұрын
Mike Bickel has nothing to worry about. Once you've hit it big in the Jesus biz, you never really fall from grace. After all, Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart are still shredding the Gospel on TV to this day.
@denalowry8710
@denalowry8710 8 ай бұрын
Jim Baker did serve 5 years in prison and publicly repented and said he was wrong
@markkozlowski3674
@markkozlowski3674 8 ай бұрын
@@denalowry8710 Watch some recent KZfaq videos of the Jim Bakker Show. He certainly has never repented of using the Gospel as a means of making money.
@denalowry8710
@denalowry8710 8 ай бұрын
@@markkozlowski3674 that I do not know about. Stopped watching his show because he would never let the guests talk
@TroyStevens430
@TroyStevens430 7 ай бұрын
If a person doesn't get angry at the most vulnerable in our community being abused... then when?
@erikaveltkamp4209
@erikaveltkamp4209 8 ай бұрын
When people say we’re too keyed up- I wish they understood that these people and their doctrines have been very questionable and caused a lot of doubt and fear for people.. for me it feels like finally I know I’m not crazy. I don’t feel right about a lot of what they taught and did and now I trust my journey with the Lord even more.
@tessah1730
@tessah1730 8 ай бұрын
cant understand how no prophet discerned this at the time
@1952monkey
@1952monkey 8 ай бұрын
remember when Jesus healed the blind man with a pair of glasses, or the deaf man with a hearing aid, or the toothache man with gold fillings. You hurt your witness with the healing story. Your discernment is called into question. My cousin changed his theology when he saw a leg grow in a healing service. To this day he doesn't realize someone was pulling his leg.
@nickypendleton4066
@nickypendleton4066 8 ай бұрын
keep bringing light to a dark place..
@mls-jp9nb
@mls-jp9nb 8 ай бұрын
I think you’re referring to the KZfaq channel, Beth & Ryan.
@bettycarmella1127
@bettycarmella1127 8 ай бұрын
Great channel very informative 🙏🏽
@11candy11
@11candy11 8 ай бұрын
Regarding Todd Bentley: I've seen miracles happen during services from ministers who are in secret sin too. Many of the miracles under Todd's leadership happened WHILE he was in secret sin. The only thing I can attribute it to is the verse "The gifts and callings of God are irrevocable." Yes, these leaders need to be removed. But also yes, miracles do happen in their ministries.
@11candy11
@11candy11 8 ай бұрын
They are not always false signs. The Bible teaches God gives spiritual gifts to people and does not revoke those gifts. However, he needs to resign. @@kimmymcbride4722
@andrewhambling
@andrewhambling 8 ай бұрын
Todd Bentley and Lakeland was asked several times to produce 1 verified "healing". He wasn't able to produce anything but so-called "testimonials". I have heard all these stories before and people "say" things to be the centre of attention or are caught up in the emotions of the moment. Just give a ONE verified miracle Name of person / confirmation of ailment / confirmation of healing from medical professionals It's not that hard. Lakeland was filmed 24/7 of God Tv but no verification was confirmed. Also for some reason all the "stories" happened at another meeting somewhere or sometime else. Todd: "I was at a meeting once and god told me to kick an old lady with my biker boot, bam" Always a story about another time and at another place. I was part of these types of charismatic shenanigans for 35 years and these stories always happened somewhere else. I never saw one verified miracle in 35 years. God heals all the time but He uses the means of grace. As a church we pray each Lords Day for all those who are suffering, in our church. Sometimes He heals and sometimes He doesn't but we glorify Him for His love and mercy. All healings are verified because they recovered from surgery are out of hospital and are back at church worshiping with us again. No need for subjective experience and manipulative music and 100 anecdotes "preached" instead of the Bible read and exposited. Just pray "Lord, Your will be done." Amen 🙏
@spiritsongministries4957
@spiritsongministries4957 8 ай бұрын
It is also imperative to remember not all miracles are from God. There are lying signs and wonders. False prophets produce false miracles. You should read “The Beautiful Side of Evil”. Read it 35 years ago I believe. Eye opening. Johanna Michaelson
@spiritsongministries4957
@spiritsongministries4957 8 ай бұрын
Bob Jones and Bentley were both immoral men and involved in demonically inspired occult practices/shamanism/astral projection, etc.
@gabymeyer8003
@gabymeyer8003 8 ай бұрын
The verse about gifts and calling being irrevocable is NOT about charismatic ministers, it's about ISRAEL. Context, Context, Context.
@connielester1641
@connielester1641 8 ай бұрын
Righteous anger is not sin. The only time Jesus was angry was at people’s hardness of heart. Jesus wept because of people’s unbelief.
@john4226
@john4226 8 ай бұрын
We are called to understand the times we are in: Ecc 3:1-8 3 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
@revreid777
@revreid777 8 ай бұрын
It is clergy abuse and it is evil to take advantage of a young adult. They came for discipleship not to be stumbled ! “He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes”
@dianewhitlock1917
@dianewhitlock1917 6 ай бұрын
Thanks Blaise, prayers for you and where this is going.
@shellieszott9091
@shellieszott9091 8 ай бұрын
I went from an ARC/hyper-charismatic set of beliefs to cessationism. That said, you're doing an excellent job of exposing clearly false teachings, regardless of the possible consequences from that community. Thank you for digging in and being persistent. I'm sure you're helping many people, both male and female. We know that demons exist, that Satan is real, and we're told in 1 Peter 5:8 that the enemy growls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Case closed.
@johntalbot1764
@johntalbot1764 8 ай бұрын
Indeed the whole structure of the church ( as we have mistakenly constructed it ) is being shaken and I believe we are only at the beginning of this. We were called to build a priesthood of all believers not a structure which mirrors the corporate and business world. The recurring ‘structure’ that the Holy Spirit illuminates in my mind, is the thought…..tribes & families. Families grouping together in tribes, and ultimately tribes forming a nation (‘a holy Nation’). Families for me is not simply biological families, but ‘those in covenanted relationship with each other. So my conception of the church we are moving to is quite fluid in character and will continually ‘escape’ from the formal structures that we have become entrapped by in western christianity
@lolabear6788
@lolabear6788 3 ай бұрын
Sam Vaknin says the narcissist, I say wicked man of the Bible, sees others as either stupid or a threat/evil (to them). Made me think of it when you described the wolf and sheep relationship. They either see you as stupid and controllable or not controllable and therefore having bad intent, aka a threat to them.
@frankwirt
@frankwirt 8 ай бұрын
Being angry but truthful about sin is not being sinful. "Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one another. “Be angry, yet do not sin.” Do not let the sun set upon your anger, and do not give the devil a foothold." Eph 4:25-27
@PeacefulWarrior000
@PeacefulWarrior000 8 ай бұрын
Whoa...this is crossing a line and super hurtful to so many of us. I like most of what the two of you say in your videos, but can we please stop calling God's House of Prayer a "House of Predators"? There are sooo many men and women who DO carry the fear of the Lord and GIVE themselves FULLY to Jesus at that location. Can they go to other places? Sure. But God has called them there and it is NOT right to call it a "House of Predators." This is super hurtful. Please stop. Did several people allegedly hurt several people? Possibly and God will deal with them and heal the wounds of those who were abused. That doesn't give anyone a license to name-call. It is still God's House of Prayer. I was raised up there having no dealings with any of this demonic activity and bc of that (which was mostly not under MB, but other leaders), I now serve the Lord in another country. Regarding training your children, amen. I do appreciate your heart for justice and holiness. We just have to ensure that we don't cross the line into partnering with the Accuser of the Brethren bc if we do, we will become what we hate. Each time I pray, I see Jesus weeping. His emotions were and still are real. If we get angry and stay there, it won't end in healing. It will end in bitterness. If we feel the anger and then, also weep and grieve and invite Jesus into the pain, we will be healed. This is super important and cannot be said enough. We absolutely get to feel anger AND we must weep and grieve and allow Him to take the offense and replace it with His great love so that this nor anything else leaves us broken. Regarding Jesus flipping over tables, we must be careful not to take His place. He is the One who turned over tables. He did not allow His disciples to do the same. When John and James wanted to call down fire from heaven, Jesus stopped them. We must remember to give Him room for Him to have justice. Vengeance is His. Regarding prayer, I just feel like prayer is what's going to really shift this thing. I dance dances over this injustice and every single time, I see Him weeping over these women who have allegedly been abused and MB and Diane bc they are all broken. MB seemingly may not have received the healing that he needed from being raised by his father and also losing his brother. The women have their own stories and also need prayer for their pasts. And Diane needs prayer too...we can't forget her. Ultimately, Jesus wants to deliver and heal us all. If not for the grace of God, we would all fall into this or other temptations. My heart is always to remain humble bc goodness! I just want the fear of the Lord in every area of my life, but it can't be separated from His grace, love, and yes, mercy. Discipline is absolutely necessary and we've got to let Jesus do what He does in bringing it. I want His judgment in His way and I want His mercy to triumph over His judgment as Scripture says.
@laurareed2614
@laurareed2614 8 ай бұрын
This is so True.I remember so very Crystal Clear when I finally got my DEEP HEALING THAT I HAD WAITED FOR 4 MANY YRS AT A GATHERING FROM I PRECIOUS SISTER LEADING US WHO WAS ON STAFF WITH EXODUS CRY MINISTRY. WE HAVE TO GET TIME TO CRY AND THEN GET TIME TO HEAL AND THEN TIME TO DANCE WITH JESUS AND GO PRAY PAST THE HOLY BASIL INTO THE LJC PRESENCE. SING AND REJOICE OUR NAME IS WRITTEN IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE. GOD OF ALWAYS FAITHFUL. THE LORD IS OUR SHEPHERD I SHALL NOT WANT. HE IS ALWAYS FAITHFUL AND SO LOVING TO GIVE US TIME TO OVERCOME IN ALL TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS
@laurareed2614
@laurareed2614 8 ай бұрын
Not basil but vail. Sorry didn't proof read. MY BAD
@erinthompsonkieselburg708
@erinthompsonkieselburg708 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for all the time ya’ll are pouring into this issue. Im truly grateful for your perspective. Can someone point me in the direction of the psychologist he mentioned?
@joerubeo7771
@joerubeo7771 8 ай бұрын
Mercy at this point might be the lake of fire for Mike 😬
@dawneldon7433
@dawneldon7433 8 ай бұрын
We have been lulled to sleep,we don't know what is happening in our government.And also in the church, it's time to go back to basics. The church is not a building, it's his people. We made these people celebratysAnd they were more than happy to except this role. Question everything. If it's not biblical,confront it as soon as you hear or see it.
@albertlopez2237
@albertlopez2237 8 ай бұрын
Im a former pastor of a church that had a similar situation with a fomer interm pastor whos face was on the front cover of the news paper of a scandle concerning his own ministry which was in the county. What he apparently did was a step lower then mike i leave it at that. I had suspions the man was guilty bassed of some things that did not make sence at the time i realy can not go into detail. I address the church one Sunday. I got on with my life. I knew of one of the family members directly involved in the situation that i can not go least bit of detail thankfully she respected me and separated me from the other minister cause she that minister sin was his not mine. My heart went out to her i let her know what ever i can do let me know. The person covering the story in the paper him and i did not get along in city council if he made the connection that this guy had ties to my church he would of loved to put that in the paper so to certian degree i was walking on egg shells as there were a number of court hearings. But for the most part bro i moved on it was none of my business.
@dawnbrown2125
@dawnbrown2125 8 ай бұрын
Very well spoken, thank you for sharing and continuing to break it down and not be intimidated . God help us if we allow it to be treated as trivial and withness abuse be swept under the rug.
@dondi56dokind6
@dondi56dokind6 8 ай бұрын
There were healings at Lakeland in spite of Todd Bentley not because of him.
@cirdan4170
@cirdan4170 7 ай бұрын
Hey, I love your work on this and your clarity in the matter. I've watched all the content on this scandal and love how thorou you guys are, it's a blast and gives me much hope! One thing: I'd appreciate it, if you wouldn't constantly bring up that Boz Tchividjian is Billy Grahams grandson. I think we should evaluate his credentials not by his ancestry but by his track record. In, albeit a lesser sense, it's the same game of putting fallible people on pedestals. Billy Graham was a great man of God, no doubt, but I think we should get off this idea of evaluating ideas and statements and the integrity of people based on whether they are connected to "great men of God" or whether they are famous or not. What do you do if, God forbid, a story breaks that Graham had been connected to clergy SA? I know of no such story and I pray to God there is none, but hypothetically suddenly all the "Billy Grahams grandson" is an indictment not a credential. Boz's credentials in fact are, that he has been laboring to provide a proper response to SA allegations, protecting the victims and bringing out the truth, that should be the focus. Not doubting your heart in this at all. It's a small matter, it feels natural to go after this very prestigious pedigree and that's what we have always done, but maybe it's time to change habits here.
@cirdan4170
@cirdan4170 7 ай бұрын
Sorry for reposting, just didn't expect the other comment to be seen
@jizx8070
@jizx8070 8 ай бұрын
Now Eli was very old, but he was aware of what his sons were doing to the people of Israel. He knew, for instance, that his sons were seducing the young women who assisted at the entrance of the Tabernacle
@johnneel1227
@johnneel1227 7 ай бұрын
A man should not be restored back to ministry until the reputation of his forgiveness exceeds the reputation of his sin. Charles Spurgen 💥Where is the FEAR of a Holy God ? Complete total confession, no law firm, ELT or PR spokesperson to hide behind, asking in public, forgiveness from all of your victims, not a vague unclear, incomplete statement. That’s the starting line.
@1952monkey
@1952monkey 8 ай бұрын
satan masquerades as an angel of light.
@gunnie8068
@gunnie8068 8 ай бұрын
Amen!
@jamesphilips194
@jamesphilips194 8 ай бұрын
Had a MIL also get gold filling after one of these events. Funny thing is they disappeared, returned to normal a few days later. Chaulk it to a false sign and wonder. It's not real. She also collected 4-5 supposed precious gems she found during worship. But they were just plastic fakes. Again, false signs and wonders for gullible people.
@wendyhansen9481
@wendyhansen9481 8 ай бұрын
I was just talking with my mum today about the reasons why Jesus flipped tables....
@annielyst
@annielyst 8 ай бұрын
Have you seen Sam Storm's and Michael Sullivant's response?
@thevillageofnod
@thevillageofnod 8 ай бұрын
One of the reasons why I have asked for patience in this process is because the group making the accusations have not been entirely transparent or honest, either. They came out, saying there were many allegations, reportedly a list of eight women, and then several women came out and said they had nothing to do with this. If you’re going to go after the leadership at IHOPKC, I think it’s only fair to take this into account and to also examine the people making the accusations and the way they went about it.
@myramoir4056
@myramoir4056 8 ай бұрын
That was incorrect and misleading information that IHOP ELT released. The Advocate Group never had a "list of 8" and those 2 women denying were not on any list because it didn't exist. Even Shiloh Bickle said one of the women denying was lying and not credible. I believe there are more than 8 now. At the very least 2, and it's not those 2.
@bsusie1
@bsusie1 8 ай бұрын
People that believe every sign and wonder they see proves an anointing is from God. The enemy has and will lead many astray doing false miracles. We need to be cautious about being deluded.
@Mack14DC
@Mack14DC 8 ай бұрын
So grateful for the videos you guys are doing and the way you are bringing awareness to what is happening. You should check out Diane Langberg's book "Redeeming Power: Understanding Authority and Abuse in the Church." It aligns with so much of what you have been sharing in your videos.
@kramsdrawde8159
@kramsdrawde8159 7 ай бұрын
Please read Jeremiah 23... I know this is not in the context of mike bickle but it is on topic.
@teetrevor
@teetrevor 8 ай бұрын
You “don’t see a way back”? Perhaps that’s the argument Satan was making to God when God first pursued you
@Wingsoftheeagle
@Wingsoftheeagle 8 ай бұрын
25:09 25:09 It’s really an excellent point. if God would allow his actual temple in Jerusalem to be torn down he 100% will allow IHOPKC to be torn down.
@barb8452
@barb8452 8 ай бұрын
Jesus had righteous anger... and when it comes to deception (Lies)... we can have righteous anger.
@ivanasimic2072
@ivanasimic2072 8 ай бұрын
Bravo !!!
@lynnfarley7859
@lynnfarley7859 7 ай бұрын
Matthew 7:21- Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Thats a sobering statement.
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