I thought the same.

Thanks for the support Peter. Lol I can sleep at night, no problem. I just wondered perhaps people misunderstood the last video so thought I would try and make it clearer. So yeah...I tried! Take care of yourself buddy and thanks for watching!

agreed - always audition at your home no matter what!

@@propercushty I saw a review about Arendal 1723 1S and the claim there is that 1723 1S is better in every way than SVS 3000 pro. What’s your take on that?

Thank you mate :) Means a heck of a lot!

Hello mate. I was actually going to do that in the next couple of weeks as it happens! I think B&W PV1D is really cool looking - if you have 2, you're in a much better position to enjoy a nice sound, I agree!

Hello Johnny mate. Hope you doing alright. Arendal make some really, really cool subwoofers and their attention to detail is exemplary. I'm going to be testing the 3000 Micro quite soon (hopefully within the next couple of weeks alongside the Kef KC62). My gut says either the 3000 micro or the Arendal for your setup. The room is small-medium size, so I don't think the 3000 micro will be about of its depth. Potentially it will be a better match for your Arendal but it's hard to know for sure without testing. I've heard the Arendal is superior to the SB2000 Pro. The one benefit with the SVS products is the SVS app - really makes a difference if you want an easy, optimised setup! I can't stress that enough!

@@propercushty Leaning towards that, maybe REL 1205, i have listen to that and it is really good. Integrates easy and very musical sounding. Arendal is quality but no app. Svs 2000 pro, alot of money for an app and even more for white. The Arendal have 60 days try period, thats impressive. Music is main focus for me but a good movie is never wrong, with some heavy bas. It has to be in level with my genelecs. so i dont a cheaper sub will cut it. I have had a lot of cheaper subs. Its no fun, better without i think.

Hi Rodney. Thanks for that information. I am actually doing a review of the SVS SB3000 in the coming 1-2 weeks. I agree the SB 2000s are a bit behind the 3000 in terms of the quality of construction.

@@propercushty Thanks for your reply. I've now decided to swap the SVS SB-2000 Pro for the Rel T/9i (after a lot of research). I have mini dsp so the dsp feature on the SVS is not that important for me. R.

Hello Andre. Thank you for this feedback! I have to admit, this is one area where I have given in to temptation and I have fought fire with fire a few times. When people have left me unfair comments, on some occasions I have given them the time of day and fought back. I have now built up some tolerance to this and have recognised this is not the way these situations should be handled! And so I take on board your great advice: Is it true. Is it nice. Is it necessary. Very wise 😃✔

sorry, don't quite understand the question? Do you mean how is the sound quality of the XTZ vs ?

Glad you liked it! Appreciate it mate!

i agree once you're in the ecosystem things are easy - but if you're serious about audio and getting good value for money you'll go that bit further to find precisely what it is you want for you space. The reason I don't always recommend these subwoofers to people is because I know (from my comments) that people are really looking for a subwoofer that plays movies aswell as music. Most people who want big bass for music only just end up buying floorstanders and forget the subwoofer altogether: I guess because there's no integration work to do and often the bass sounds better as you're getting it in stereo. So from my persepctive, saying the KC62 is the perfect all-round 'do-it-all' sub is not accurate - at least not from my view. If you want a nice subwoofer that does a good job at low volumes, something you don't want to break your back over and you want it to blend into the furniture etc - then the kc62 is a good choice. But it's £1400...that's £400 more than a set of LS50 Metas. Just doesn't make sense to me. The margins have got to be huge on that unit.

​@@propercushty Agreed on all counts. The number one goal of the kc62 was to shrink the size as much as possible for esthetic reasons while keeping the bass capability "acceptable". Very impressive technology, but similar to Sunfire and Velodyne's approach from years ago. If somebody lives in a single family home with a movie room, they should never buy something tiny like this, but for us condo dwellers it's awesome. I have an original Velo DD-12 that I love, and before that had an HGS-12. Similar concept as the KEF....biggest sound possible from smallest box possible. KEF has merely taken things a step forward with the magnet-within-magnet principle. If the KEF scales up the technology with 8-10" drivers and a slightly larger box, they'll probably broaden their buyer base significantly if they can keep the price reasonable. Personally, I don't think the $1500 price is particularly reasonable when I could buy two SVS Micro 3000s for the same price. Then again, people paid through the nose for the Velodynes.

@@ayokay123 thanks for the informative comment!

Glad to help

hello mate sorry for the delayed reply. I actually addressed your question in my most recent subscriber update. You can watch that here. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z5hdnrWHqdu8nqs.html If you still need help don't hesitate to come back! I will be very happy to help!

@@propercushty Thank you for your kind reply and answer. We have our system for both movies and music, and you are right, it is a huge cost with two Kef KC62 compared with two Rel T5i. I was hoping that Rel T5i would not be too bad to have for movies every now and then, and good for music. I need to take a closer look at the SvS sub that you mentioned.

@@TreenighetMaranata was a pleasure as always. I should be reviewing the SVS Micro over the next couple of weeks so you should get a definitive answer then 👍

haha take it easy mate

lol that's good for you then mate. I have nothing wrong with the Sonos sub if it means people are happy with the purchase. The thing with this product is it's merging two markets: people who want a nice-sounding system that looks good + audiophiles interested in Kef products. To you, it makes sense to buy it and just be happy with it, but to some people, they get really anal about it and they just want more and more. It's the curse of Hifi; it's really addictive and the marketing fools people. I am now going to be making future videos that compare popular speakers to lesser-known but fantastic alternatives. There is a video coming up about a great style/hifi speaker that does everything in one (including subwoofers). That would be another great alternative to this Kef or Sonos products!

Yeah i agree it's going to be a powerful sub, but at the same time it can't outrun physics. Also being baffled by the power of a subwoofer is a very subjective thing. Something that baffles me might not baffle you to the same degree. Hence yes..try at home! Best thing, I agree :)

With all due respect, that's not true at all..if people don't understand that the only thing you can trust is real measurements and home demos, then that's not my problem. Thumbnail doesn't say review..it says honest thoughts and friendly advice. Throughout the whole video I review the facts. I can't help it if people can't read. My advice: Don't trust people reviewing speakers and subwoofers. They're paid reviewers and they have different room acoustics to you. Go to the shop, buy it and demo it yourself. Don't expect people to buy it for you. I'm trying to give you back your independence over the goods you buy. These 'review' channels are more like salesmen in speaker shops mate. I never hear a bad review from these people. If you don't understand this now, then you might understand in the future and I hope that day arrives soon!

@@propercushty you're right, reviewers are more like salesmen. The problem is that not all people can audition this kind of equipment before purchase.

Exactly! And you're also relying on the reviewer's ears working correctly..and you're relying on their room having similar acoustic properties to yours! There are just too many variables to consider..so the only thing we can really be sure of are the black and white specifications..with subwoofers I believe the specs matter alot (more so than normal loudspeakers anyway)

Thanks dude! Glad I just found another gem :D

My pleasure :d

thanks pal :)

Thanks alot for the feedback :D

Hi Rob yes that's a very good point about low frequencies being limited by room size due to wavelengths. In my room sub-bass starts in the 30-35hz range. I think the KC62 is definitely a design achievement but in no way I feel this should be employed for both music/movies for a serious listener. It's rather like buying a baby grand piano and claiming it better than a 9 foot concert grand at producing bass. You can find many very high quality 5 -6 foot baby grand pianos, and some of them produce better bass versus other pianos of the same size. But it will always be a baby grand and suffer the same drawbacks! By the way, isn't the speed of sound 343m/s or was I taught incorrectly at school? Best to you, - MDT

This is is misconception, how would one hear bass with in-ear headphones?

@@daveschoenmaeckers7336 Through direct coupling (air pressure) to your eardrum. When I say reproducible in this context I am referring to the ability to create sound waves that are not directly coupled to your eardrums.

@@propercushty define a serious listener. I consider myself to be one. And I love those small subs for listening to music. I don't care if they play down to 11Hz, I'll high cut them somewhere in the 30s anyways to avoid nasty room modes and low rumble in recordings.

@@RobWhittlestone I don't get it Rob. What you're saying is that those ranges are only felt but not heard? I have no idea what is the lowest frequency that I can hear but considering your equation seems unlikely that something that is at 3 cm ( headphones) or at 0.1 cm (ciem) could produce in the space the lower frequencies. I think your equation is missing something, because the numbers are completely unrealistic for the smaller sizes. I don't know if this equation only applies to a range of frequency or if you most consider the size of the producing source of sound waves. Because for headphones and CIEM's your equation don't adjust at all with reality. The numbers are to high.

Thanks for watching (and for the feedback). I agree, the SB3000 is the perfect all-round sub at the moment. I've made 2 or 3 videos about it! It's just a shame SVS recently increased their prices by about 20% !!!

Oh yes, I forgot to mention this in the video - the precursor to spending too much money on audio is the initial brainwashing by online reviews lol 😁

Hello mate! Thanks for the praise and for the suggestion. I have written it down :) I have also mentioned your comment in my latest subscriber update video which you can view here! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z5hdnrWHqdu8nqs.html

hello mate and thanks for you input on this topic! Yes I totally agree with you. To produce proper sub-bass you need all of those things which a small subwoofer can't really produce. I am sure the KC62 is a decent-enough subwoofer with music, but their advertising suggested it was a pro with movies which got me like 😕 I'll be doing a test of the SVS 3000 Micro and KC62 in office environment vs living room environment in the next few weeks!

i appreciate this greatly. thanks for the support

I would definitely think the 8b reference is way overpriced. Of the two I'd prefer the kc92

read the title description

I bet you that the KEF sounds pretty darn good. It also looks great. There sort of is a magic bullet and it is called DSP. Do you use a MiniDSP? I was curious, does that gear have to stay connected all the time?

Fair enough as long as you like it mate I wish you all the best!

Cheers for the feedback! The purpose of this video was to address some of the questions I had been receiving from subscribers. Some of my subs are new to the industry truly believing this subwoofer to be better for movies than far larger subs (due to the kc62 spec sheet). You'd be surprised but I get these questions all the time simply because people believe the marketing. I did end up demoing the kc62 by the way, along with the svs 3000 micro :)

@@propercushty I got the REL t5x instead of the micro, but I didn't push them over 80db in my test (neighbors). Love the REL! For 800€, it underpins the ls50m very well. It's just so musical, don't ever want to turn it off!

@@propercushty but you are right, most people don't do their research before they buy or ask question, nor do they have the understanding.

Thank you mate. That means alot - especially as feeling a bit crap today! haha Cheers again

You are right. You just won't get that big boom from a small 62 but fidelity- oh yeah. I never liked the Sonos. I think it's just me- everyone else seems to.

oooo your comment hurt me so much it gave me internal bleeding...😵💀 Hey make sure you subscribe for more groundbreaking content!

cheers mate (really, thanks alot)..i try with the negative comments, because believe it or not, sometimes i manage to turn people around and they get the point i am trying to make. But I'm going to be paying less attention to these comments soon, because I think the majority just don't want to hear anything negative on KZfaq, and would prefer to keep their heads buried in the sand lol! Arguing with people all day doesn't really get to me mentally, but it takes up alot of my time which I could be using for something alot more productive!

thanks - would be nice to rent these, but nowhere I know offers this service!

@@propercushty - agreeed there, partner....

I think for music that should be fine yes. Thanks for the comment!

I listen usually 80-90db peaks as well. Kc62 can do that with ease in small/medium room - 95db flat across frequency in fact..

lol thank you for the valuable information. I've had people subscribe after watching this video, so some people must have enjoyed it. I must be on to something lol

@Cuckoo Labs The fact that you are here throwing advice speaks volumes! People normally can tell in less than 30 seconds if they want to continue watching or scroll right past. And you watched the whole video? Classic case of self-torture if you ask me.🤓 Guess you go around KZfaq throwing “feedback” to all those who pull your irritation levers. 🤓

@@Turtleback8024 he didn't sound irritated, just giving feedback because he cares for his fellow human. I don't see anything wrong with that, but maybe I'm biased and agree that it's pure stupidity to compare manufacturer specs. The argument that some people subscribed means nothing. There's a large number of people with IQ under 100 so if these videos are intended to cater to that audience, then I guess it's hitting its goals.

Thanks mate! Comments like this that keep me going :D

Hello mate, of course I am very happy to help you :D 5x8m wouldn't be classed as a small or medium room by THX standards mate lol. That would definitely be classed as a large room. There is also your ceiling height to consider as we need to consider room volume to figure out if the sound pressure will be enough. Have you done a sub crawl before in your room? You may have to do it and find out exactly where is best. In truth, the KC62 will perform similar to a 9 inch subwoofer. So, the T9i is probably be the best match, and it may outperform the KC62 in some areas. It's also £400 less from what I can see. My issue with the KC62 is the value really. I just think it's way overpriced just because it saves people a little bit of space. I understand when people want a subwoofer for music rather than movies, but some people also pretend like just because they're listening to music, it's like audio below 40hz doesn't exist? If you take a pair of headphones, and EQ out all the frequencies below 30 or 40hz, the audio will sound remarkably different in many cases. My objective when buying subwoofers is to buy a distortion free, clean, clear sound whilst not compromising on loudness and bass extension. I would much rather buy something like the SVS SB2000 Pro which will likely perform much better, and you'll also save a tonne of money. In my optimal setup, I would also have 2 subwoofers rather than 1, to ensure that bass is even in the room (your room is likely to have nodes which distort the sound you hear..2 subwoofers helps balance things out) I hope this helps mate, but if you have any more questions just let me know!

@@propercushty Hey man, thanks a lot for the extensive reply, I really appreciatie it. I get what you are saying about the audio below 40hz and that it still matters with music, but both the KEF and the REL do go below that right, or am I missing something? I also get what you are saying about the value, but if a smaller sub would truly perform like a bigger one I would be willing to pay a few 100 extra for it, simply because placement is a real issue for me. I really only have a few spots that I would be able to place the subwoofer, and it being a small one would help quite a bit. Also the room size might sound big, but my speakers are pointing across the small side, so the main listening position is only like 4 meters from the speakers. Thanks for the tip on the SVS sub. I looked at the SVS SB 2000 pro and als the SB 3000. They seem like good options, but also big. On the other hand: Maybe all the options in the app for the SVS sub will make placement at a less than ideal spot work better?

@@propercushty Also the ceiling is pretty high, 5 meters at th highest point, but I have sloping walls, so tit's not that high everywhere. Also 2 subs is not an option for now, because of the same issues with not having that much room for placement. So maybe someday after I move to a different home, but not for now sadly. Never done a sub crawler, as this will be my first sub, but I understand the process of it. I Just need to have sub to be able to do it.

@@Ycaro Hi mate - pleasure to reply to you. All subs will perform below 40hz - it really depends how much authority is there with those lower notes. That KEF will probably perform similar to a 9 inch sub (so, yes it does perform like a slightly larger sub). It just won't be able to beat a 12 inch sealed sub from the likes of SVS. It's important because if the track you listen to has any dynamics (like troughs and peaks), then a stronger sub will make those dynamics shine through more cleanly and with more expression. The small sub is really for people who want a decent sound but want the system to be simple and 'cute' per se. Be wary of anybody saying this is a true audiophile sub (because it's not lol). When you consider the price, it truly is not worth it if you want best bang for buck. The other thing to consider is we are talking about 2x 6.5 inch drivers which are trying to sound bigger than what they are. That sub will be more prone to distortion in the lower end especially, as each driver is likely working its butt off (to put it in laymans terms). It doesn't matter about where your speakers are pointing really - bass frequencies are omni-directional, meaning the room's volume is the main concern. You don't need to have the subs pointing at you - actually, many people have their subs near behind the sofa to the side. The SVS Pro subs like the 2000 (and now the 1000 which just got announced) will perform better I think, and they're only a tad bigger. I think the 12 inch sealed boxes are very compact actually. It's essentially a 13 inch cube but then you get the performance you're looking for (especially for the room volume). The benefit with the SVS subs is they have the app where you can set specific parametric EQ. That is one of the most important things about getting your bass sounding right - you have to cancel out the peaks and nulls and the bass will integrate much more cleanly with the speakers. My feeling is go with the SVS if you want a product that the market and the audiophile community already appreciates; but if you want style and want the sub to be compact then give the KC62 a try. Also, another company which does really nice compact subs is Sunfire. Hope this helps!

Thanks Gordon. I do understand the principles of pi*r^2 lol. You're forgetting that the XTZ is a bass reflex design and so cone area comparison doesn't really apply when you have a Heimholtz resonator in one of the boxes does it? And I also understand the difference between bass reflex and acoustic suspensions designs. The port shown with the XTZ subwoofer in the video is tuned to around 20hz I believe (so the roll-off is below 20hz where it doesn't matter). In the video, I'm not saying the ported model produces bass with less distortion; I am merely saying that the ported model produces closer to the correct level of bass. My subwoofer is still too quiet in an 18sqm listening room...yet Kef recommend the KC62 to people with 50sqm rooms? Honestly Gordon, does this mathematically make sense to you? And a 12 inch ported sub will produce much more bass output than 2x 9inch sealed subs. I can prove that if you like. For the money, you could also buy 3 of those XTZ subs for one KF92. The value isn't there for me. KC62 might good for lower volume, but as a musician I can tell you that most audiophiles haven't a clue about music. Most audiophiles cannot even read sheet music neither do they know the difference between fortissimo, pianissimo, legato, staccato, spiccato .. no musical terminology there..no perfect pitch .. musicians are the people that made the music, yet audiophiles think they're the ones to judge? Most have no idea whatsoever..and the true loudspeaker experts don't even involve themselves in mainstream industry and instead choose to go the DIY route (which often sounds alot better). One such example is Siegfried Linkwitz, and I'm sure that man knew many times more about music and audio than so many of these fakers who claim to know it all! My channel is about informing people to use THEIR eyes, ears and brains before rushing out making bad choices. In the video I am clear as crystal when I say that you *should consider* the KC62 or KF92, but perhaps one should be open-minded and try a few other subwoofers for home demo. Wouldn't you agree that is good advice? This channel is about letting people make their own minds up! The role of a true subwoofer is to fill in the gaps and provide enough bass extension and bass output to accurately recreate music. I can tell you as a musician that the the KC62 subwoofer is like an orchestra but 50% of the cello section didn't turn up. That's going to impact the dynamic range of the orchestra, and guess what...it won't sound right. The KF92 isn't so bad (again, I say this in the video), but the price is. I've seen far better value for money, and I'll be revealing these alternative choices in future videos. Not only that, but when you take into account that for sub 40hz frequencies, you actually need around 10db more for it to sound the same to human ears, then it's easy for me to determine that the KC62 will not be suitable for many people. In summary to anybody reading this, I play a fair game and I'm not here to sell people speakers they don't need!

@@propercushty Hi thanks for your reply. I agree on the value for money. Note that lowest note of a cello is C2 at 65.4Hz lol, so there's no need for any subwoofer for the full complement of cellists to be present!

@@gordondyer6310 Lol I'm aware of what the lowest note of a cello is thanks! My best friend happens to be a cellist. I used that example for reference and to paint a picture. Also take into account the lowest note on double bass (also an orchestral instrument) is 41Hz. Lowest note on an organ 8hz or 16hz depending on the length of the pipe. Also don't forget, lowest note on a piano (probably the most popular instrument in the world): 27.5Hz which is equivalent to a lower A. I do know my music, so thanks for that Gordon lol. The point being made is with reference to dynamics which can easily be 20db above the average. You buy a subwoofer to extend your dynamic range and give you a balanced sounding system (at least, that's what I do). When you add synthesized music into the music, we push the boundaries of what's possible with acoustic instruments. So with that comparison my side of the argument gets even stronger. Wouldn't you also agree that the 50sqm living space is a bit optimistic for the KC62? How will it benefit from room gain in that sort of space? I wouldn't exceed 10sqm myself, maybe 15 for that sub. I'd personally recommend 2x SVS SB1000 subwoofers. Undoubtedly one would get better dynamics, better extension, better room integration, and you'd probably save 400quid to boot! It's not exactly a large subwoofer that, is it? As long as people make an informed decision, then I am fine with the whole thing. However, from the questions I get daily, I can tell that people are not always well-informed and expect a bit of Kef magic. I do respect your side of the argument though: but I do think there is alot of bias in the industry towards mainstream brands like Kef and B&W, so consumers have their blindfolds on when they go shopping and get fleeced. I'm not about that and prefer a fair game. My videos will always remain factual, and from now on I will make sure to provide alternative choices from lesser-known brands in my videos. I don't want smaller speaker firms to go out of business, simply because they're not great marketeers. If this sort of thing interests you and you want to save money or try new things, I'd suggest you subscribe! I have a great new system reveal for my 100th video special. I guarantee most would not have seen nor heard of this speaker! Take care!

Gordon sir, you can't draw a displacement (vd) value for a sub without knowing the sd and the linear xmax limit. The 12" pictured is vented too and will be capable of displacing almost twice the air that the 12" driver can alone (close to the tuning). You will also find that smaller drivers have more surround and mounting area on their faces than larger coned drivers... making smaller drivers have less usable sd in %scale with that of a large driver. Xx

@@propercushty You really should listen first and make such bold and incisive statements later! There are many points you're not even considering like excursion for example, you could very easily have a 12" Subwoofer producing less SPL than even a single 8 Inch if the 8 inch subwoofer is high excursion while the 12" is just a paper surround! And yet, I'm the one now, ignoring a lot that goes into speaker design and final SPL levels. So yeah, you have good theory! It does make sense, but it isn't the full picture. Just remind yourself it's just a theory! Yes it is small, and yes, it might very well be perfectly suited for a 50sqm room, or maybe not! It depends on the actual product, that you don't really know, and on the person listening, some people really just don't mind havng a low SPL subwoofer, I've personaly met a lot of people like this, and some of my friends say they don't like my audio setup because there's too much Bass! (I'm rocking a typical, ported 8" Subwoofer in a 9sqm room) It really is not enough for me, and that's why I'm looking into alternatives, but some people find it overwhelming... So, 1st, you actually experience the product and then you talk about it! OR, at the very least you should make it clear you're theorizing and might be wrong, instead of just talking like you're the carrier of the truth, while all the other reviewers that actually have the product in hands say otherwise. Beware I also didn't hear it yet, But I've watched plenty more videos with confliting information to yours and those do come from reputable audio reviewers. You're really the outliar here, so I'm still very much inclined to give this one a go and i'll just return it if it isn't what I was expecting. But really, I might just buy 2 cheaper subs or a second one identical to mine to see how things go. Still thinking about how I will go about tackling my current underwhelming bass peformance, but you're really stressing too much about nothing here.

Thanks for the info!

corner load reinforces especially lower notes/frequencies. So thats why smaller subs sound ok (they do not have much output in lower frequencies) and bigger subs sound worse (because they have the low output). In either case you need some kind of DSP to solve room gain issues with sub frequencies. Minidsp is all you need up to 4 subs. Otherwise you need luck for the best placement vs listening position.

@@pulDag I agree with everything you said 👍

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i'm glad you summed that up for everyone in 3 sentences

That's a perfect analogy :D

I’ve heard an owl with a deep hoot considering its size. You can get deep bass out of small drivers, especially with room gain. Sure, you will run out of excursion at those lower frequencies when you push it, but at casual levels, the dsp will get you to 20Hz. The drivers will also move at 11Hz but people don’t “hear” those frequencies until they’re very loud. A larger driver may couple to the air better and create more physical sensation.

Thank you mate. I saw this message and knew I had to respond as quickly as possible! Messages like this is what keeps me going and for that I am forever grateful :) All I am trying to do is give people the tools they need so they can take back their independence over their spending choices. Yet they decide to call me stupid..fine. They don't even realise that these sponsored reviewers are more like salesmen working for the speaker companies. Every time I watch or read a speaker review, there is a new tale to tell. Something has to change because this is a corrupt system and I won't sit on my arse anymore, because I've wasted thousands... and I know so many other people have done the same. In my next video, I'm going to be proving to these people using Maths and Physics that what I am saying is right. I bet you they still don't care, but I have to at least try :D

@@propercushty Thank YOU for the prompt reply! It's nice to see a comment of mine acknowledged so greatly! I'm very new to HiFi and caught the bug once I bought my gf a set of KEF LSX speakers. Amazing little things! This is so anyone who reads this knows I'm not bias against KEFs. Heck, I want speakers for myself and am 99% sure I will get the LS50 wireless 2s! However, I will NOT pay $2500, because I know KEF all too well lol they WILL go on sale! The reason why I want them so bad is because it's VERY hard to find active bookshelf speakers with all the goodies built in. It's the convenience that gets me! Now, I'm also considering subs because I find out that any pair of bookshelf speakers will GREATLY benefit from a sub! Then, I find out TWO subs are ideal! 🤣 It never ends! Long story short, I considered the KC62 if I got the ls50s, but then thought no way can I afford two of these lmao, and no way can they deliver upon the specs stated on their site. Sorry for the extremely long response, but I just ended up looking up as much as I can about subs and came across your videos which I GREATLY value! You explain things very well and I applaud your honesty. I applaud anyone who doesn't sell their opinions for money! The integrity is genuine! Hopefully you get a chance to hear Rythmik L12s. I've never heard them but I am highly considering those as my two subs. They seem amazing for the money.

@@ishinish Hello again! I had to reply to your comment out of respect, Ashish. I tell you why..because I realise that most people don't leave comments because they simply don't have the time. But you took the time out of your day to show your support for me and my channel. If I saw your message and didn't reply to it, what kind of person would that make me?! So much respect to you my friend. If you're not subscribed yet, I hope you do so we can continue our conversation in future videos. I have no problem with KEF as speaker engineers. But as marketeers, I have a real problem with some of the products they've launched in terms of the marketing, and the price they expect. They launched the LS50 between £800 and £1000 I believe, and now they're £600 or less. When my cousin wanted to buy a pair of LS50 a couple of years ago, they wouldn't even give him £1 discount on that model. So it shows you what those speakers were really worth all along doesn't it? I like companies that do 1 fair price if possible. I understand there are demand/supply considerations to take account of, but if they were vocal that 'our prices are fixed forever' then I think more people would have the confidence to buy whenever they wanted. As a speaker company, KEF is excellent: one of the greats in my opinion. If you look at the measured performance of KEF drivers, they always seem to do very well. Of course there are other driver companies like SEAS, Accuton and Scanspeak that make world class drivers too, and they supply these to many speaker companies. You're right..the road never ends in Hifi. But there is a budget you can set for yourself which will give you optimal results. Past that point, it is downhill (law of diminishing returns). I think the KC62 is a nice-looking subwoofer (and I bet it's great for the size), but it's overpriced. 2 subwoofers will be better than 1 (99% of the time). If I took the bass driver out of one of your speakers, it wouldn't sound great would it lol? So dual subs are essential for me! If your budget is 1400 or 1500 for a subwoofer, I'd consider getting 2 subwoofers for 700 or 800. It will give you much, much better performance. Just make sure you put effort into how you set them up (like a sub crawl for example). A really nice little sub (if you're after a micro sub) is by the company Devialet (the designs look cool). I have heard really good things and the price is fairer from what I've also seen out there. Another great company that specialises in small subs is Sunfire..they are probably one the best companies to do compact enclosures. Other options: REL T7i and T9i. SVS SB1000 or SB2000 Pro (stretch to SB2000 if you can if your room is medium-large size). One of my favourite companies at the moment is a subwoofer company called Arendal. They also sell great speakers. I believe they are direct-to-manufacturer, so you get a better deal. One subwoofer you could try is the 1961 1S for 799 euros. It will kick the KC62's ass for half the price lol! I'm currently looking to do my 'final subwoofer upgrade' (yeah right) and am looking at the 1723 2S subwoofers. It will cost a bomb, but at least it might be worth it. To put the value into perspective: 1723 2S subwoofer - 1999 euros For this price you get: 2x 14 inch drivers (force cancelling) 1200W Class D amplification HDF cabinet construction And there's even an LCD screen on the subwoofer for adjustment :D Compare this with the KEF KF92 - 2200+ euros 2x 9 inch drivers 1000W Class D amplification MDF cabinet (I believe?) You see what I mean? The value just isn't there. So much more bass output for less money? And with Arendal you get a 60 day buy and try guarantee. If you don't like it, send it back no problem...wicked. And the Arendal subwoofers look gorgeous... I think maybe I might buy them soon and demo on the channel :| Rhythmik is also a great brand of subs. Hard to get them to the UK where I'm from though. I believe the key USP of Rhythmik subs is the fact they use servo technology. To put that technology into subs is the real deal: not a marketing gimmick, but it just costs more which I think is why other companies don't do it because it raises the price..either that or Rhythmik have some sort of patent I'm not aware of! Sorry if this message was too long haha

@@propercushty, no need to apologize! I find your replies very meaningful and informative! I'm honored to have gotten a well thought out reply. Thank you for the extremely informative response! I got some research to do for sure and can't wait to look into the suggestions you've given me. My budget is a hair over 1k for two subs. I know it's tight, but I think I can find something decent with that. It's almost exclusively gonna be for music 🎶 EDIT: Holy smokes, those aArendal subs are absolutely beautiful but a little out of my range haha. Thank you for the suggestions though!

@@ishinish No worries about the Arendal suggestion mate! If your budget is a hair over 1k for 2 subs, then the best sub for the job is the SVS SB1000 in my humble opinion! You'll find it hard to get better than that! My cousin (also an audiophile) has that sub and he loves it. He finds it a little out of its depth in movies (to be expected at the price, and he is also very hard to please), but he only has one SB1000! A second sub would definitely save the day. And for music he says it's very tight and and the woofer doesn't hang around like a slob. It is the real deal I think! Hope this helps :D

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Hello Troy and welcome to the channel! Thanks alot for your positive feedback - it helps me stay focused big time! Yes, I will continue to remain objective as I possibly can, because, for some reason, this industry continues to insist on selling people snake oil from time to time. No doubt, the KC62 is a decent subwoofer, but for the price? No!! $1499 - you guys are lucky! In the UK it is £1400. That's about 2 grand for you guys. Exactly the point I'm trying to make...2x SB3000 vs 2x KC62? I'll take the first option and save the $1000 for a trip to a Hawaii thanks Thanks again and take care - Looking forward to future discussions pal!

lol fair enough!

Yes I agree. The issue that many people face is they're trying to find a one-sub-fits all...and that's hard. All I am trying to say in this video is that I don't the the KC62 is that one-sub-fits all solution. People tend to want a subwoofer to reproduce movies and music - often with equal weight placed on both. Also what I think is important is speaker pairing.

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