Law Of Causality In Berserk Explored - A Metaphysical Concept That Dictates Fates Berserk's Lore!

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Causality in Berserk - How a metaphysical concept dictates fate in Kentaro Miura’s Masterpiece
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@lovetownsend
@lovetownsend Жыл бұрын
The fact that Guts says fuck you to literal fate is one of most badass things lol
@Neku628
@Neku628 Жыл бұрын
The Slug Count is more of a redeemable character than Griffith will ever be because at least he didn't sacrifice Theresa's mother right in front of her and refused to sacrifice his own daughter even though he was a horrible tyrant that starved and ate his people.
@user-og9nl5mt1b
@user-og9nl5mt1b Жыл бұрын
Casca liked it tho
@Oneforruu
@Oneforruu Жыл бұрын
​@@user-og9nl5mt1b let's see if your mother might like it aswell
@halloweenjack95
@halloweenjack95 Жыл бұрын
Griffith did nothing wrong.
@user-og9nl5mt1b
@user-og9nl5mt1b Жыл бұрын
@@Oneforruu i mean she does like it rough
@Serpentris
@Serpentris 11 ай бұрын
@@halloweenjack95 you people are what's wrong with this world.
@mskiara18
@mskiara18 Жыл бұрын
This has me rooting for Guts and his friends to prove the God hand wrong, that fate can be changed. I am curious will the Moonlight Boy contribute to this, and whether or not the sacrificial brand on Casca and Guts can be removed, thus proving evil wrong their future is predetermined
@x12di
@x12di 10 ай бұрын
well you're in for a treat...
@360entertainment2
@360entertainment2 9 ай бұрын
Having only read up to the Conviction Arc I can’t really speak for the future but I do have a theory I recently heard about to share. Guts was born from the deceased body of a hanged woman, he shouldn’t be alive technically as his very fate spits in the face of what could be considered a predetermined fate. Since the day he was born he overcome many obstacles from the brutal “parentage”, Guts’s first battle with Zodd, and later on he not only survived Griffin’s Eclipse but started a war with the Godhand and as well as personally slaying several survivors. I don’t think this was ever in any of the plans Causality or Fate had in mind, I’m pretty sure Guts very existence is an anomaly that wasn’t planned!
@thediaz07
@thediaz07 8 ай бұрын
​@@360entertainment2yes. I know it's corny and they probably won't cover it in berserk but the Idea of Evil HAS to have an opposing force...the idea of good. Guts is a good man at his core...casca too...all of Guts' comrades...guts WILL win...prove fate wrong.. Griffith will die a horrible death. The godhand will perish.
@andrewyilk4998
@andrewyilk4998 2 ай бұрын
@@360entertainment2yeh but how do you know that he wasn’t born due to destiny
@nosilverharbinger
@nosilverharbinger 28 күн бұрын
As I understand it no matter how completely horrible it is for them, both Guts and Casca do not want to lose their brands for at least as long as the idea of evil exists. Skull knight explained in the manga that because they are branded they exist in the interstice which allows them to resist causality's flow. So far as I can tell causality is pretty much fully under the idea of evil's control so long as anything is not in the interstice. As things are now in the world of berserk without their brands arguably I would expect them both to just vanish from existence completely as their purpose in life was supposed to have ended at the advent.
@kylehollenbaugh3464
@kylehollenbaugh3464 10 ай бұрын
I am going to emphasize that the Berserk Universe is a fictional universe, this video is still an interesting exploration of transcendental ideas that relate to our own existence.
@Nyghtking
@Nyghtking 9 ай бұрын
It's kind of true in that if you knew everything happening and that had happened and knew what had everyone was thinking at all times you could in theory predict everything that was going to happen via cause and effect. But it's such a complex web of information that it is essentially impossible to know what will happen unless it's obvious.
@damianstarks3338
@damianstarks3338 Жыл бұрын
Always a joy when you drop another Berserk video.
@AndreYaDaddy
@AndreYaDaddy Жыл бұрын
As someone who doesn’t read manga(im broke) i find these berzerk videos incredibly entertaining
@yayoslime139
@yayoslime139 Жыл бұрын
U know u can just google the manga right
@thedreamsoldierful
@thedreamsoldierful Жыл бұрын
Just look me up online it’s 2023
@pugonadrone976
@pugonadrone976 Жыл бұрын
It’s online
@campbell682
@campbell682 Жыл бұрын
I cannot even imagine spoiling berserk for myself
@Digitalknifeparty
@Digitalknifeparty Жыл бұрын
@@yayoslime139 LOL😂
@motivemystic
@motivemystic 5 ай бұрын
Wow, what an insightful video! I've always been fascinated by the law of causality in Berserk, and this explanation really brings it to life. It's mind-blowing how a metaphysical concept like causality can dictate the fates of the characters in Kentaro Miura's masterpiece. Thank you for shedding light on this complex topic in such a clear and understandable way!
@jasonworlock5113
@jasonworlock5113 Жыл бұрын
I think causality is not real, that the God Hand and others merely have seen a pattern that mostly repeats itself. This is why Void is silent when Guts defies it because he knows how a similar event happened before and expects the same to happen. Laura seems to be aware that just because something has happened before that it won't necessarily happen the same way again.
@obmis_arraid21
@obmis_arraid21 Жыл бұрын
Causality as a phenomenon is very real as it's just the chain of causes and consequences leading to a certain event, therefore making the event unavoidable as the cause could only lead that certain event. Causality as a "entity" is seen through the " god of abyss " that represent humanity shared subconscious. But some see the causality as a character with his own will while it's not the case, it's rather a phenomenon. At least that's how i understood it.
@jasonworlock5113
@jasonworlock5113 Жыл бұрын
@@obmis_arraid21 I apologize for not explaining it better. I didn't mean causality as it truly is an illusion, but merely how the 'God Hand' portrays it. They use the knowledge of cause and effect to manipulate people as did during the fifth eclipse with Griffith. They gave him the illusion of a choice because they knew he really didn't have one as his personality wouldn't let him make any other choice.
@deadinside44123
@deadinside44123 Жыл бұрын
@@obmis_arraid21 come on that’s crap. that’s like saying “i’ll die in my lifetime” and then proclaiming myself to be a fortune teller. causality definitely exists to an extent but it’s not 100% fact like void says it is. he’s been proven wrong multiple times in some of the first chapters
@badman5852
@badman5852 11 ай бұрын
His silence is hope I think. He sees time and moments causing everything to lead forever like a chain. Guts can break it.
@thediaz07
@thediaz07 8 ай бұрын
​@@jasonworlock5113i agree with you.
@elgator6119
@elgator6119 Жыл бұрын
The double helix tree is the idea of evil sprouting into the earth.
@AKpilations
@AKpilations Жыл бұрын
Just like how Griffith manifests into the physical world using the egg apostle and the moonlight boy as a vessel.... I think the idea of evil is using guts to manifest into the physical world and the beast of darkness inside guts is the idea of Evil. THE INTRO DIALOGUE ABOUT CAUSALITY IN BERSERK EPISODES MADE ME THINK THIS.
@obmis_arraid21
@obmis_arraid21 Жыл бұрын
Hmm... that'd break almost all of guts character development. The " god of abyss " has no will, it only follow humanity shared subconscious and desires and manifest them in the physical world.
@deadinside44123
@deadinside44123 Жыл бұрын
@@obmis_arraid21 nah that’s kinda cool in a poetic way. guts only wants to kill griffith or at least get some revenge, but all he had to do the whole time was come to peace with himself to get rid of the idea of evil and thus getting rid of causality. unfortunately it does get contradicted in the later chapters like a LOT. but it does sound like a great concept to me
@Eliburgo
@Eliburgo Жыл бұрын
Thing people tend to miss at the eclipse Casca was pregnant right everyone got branded right but was the unborn child branded is it a sacrifice or is the brand meant for one soul so if two souls occupy the flesh is that a loop whole ? Until the actual sacrifice is completely done ei Casca and Guts is Femto complete or 99.8 percent instead of 100% or were they worth more than the others branded because of how much they meant to Griffith does casuality have fragmentation and isn't written in stone its not a circle but a spiral due to this? Nothing is absolutely absolute
@obmis_arraid21
@obmis_arraid21 Жыл бұрын
@@Eliburgo it doesn't matter if casca or guts got eated, femto was completed the moment he said " i sacrifice". The sacrifice isn't about the demon eating those who got sacrificed, it's about the behelit owner will to give up on his human side, both metaphorically and physically, at least that's how i understand it.
@Eliburgo
@Eliburgo Жыл бұрын
@@obmis_arraid21 "that's how you understand it" that says it right there. If me and you come to arrangement for me to sell you something or provide you a service and for you to pay me x amount lets say everything goes down but your check bounces works completely done i carried out my end of the bargain you meet me to give me cash up front but you haven't the entire amount shy a bit do you still owe ? Will I just call it good and say its fine? Would the God hand or the idea of evil accept being shorted ? Is the Abyss not dealing in the currency of human souls? Does the end gambit not seem to be complete and total domain over the human soul into one collective under the idea of evil? You don't make deals with the devil and Welch they don't want Griffiths loyalty or his dream they want the human soul he can provide through causality and they want the sacrifices he promised. Also still no answer to my question about two souls in one occupied branded body and are both souls sacrifice and forfiet or just one ? Moon boy mystery
@Digitalknifeparty
@Digitalknifeparty Жыл бұрын
I thought y’all were done with Berserk several videos ago? I ain’t mad. I’ll still keep watching them! 😊
@samtheweebo
@samtheweebo Жыл бұрын
In our universe currently it appears that almost true randomness is at the foundation underneath everything, but even if every event is perfectly written from the previous ones such that everything has a known, unchanging outcome, we still make the choice to walk the pre set path. Even if its known what choices we will make, we still are the ones that make them. Its best to not worry about true free will.
@kivsto8130
@kivsto8130 Жыл бұрын
Causality is a long chain tying you to the past and future. To beat fate you must remold your perception
@danesdogma4322
@danesdogma4322 Жыл бұрын
I like your thoughts but here's something that has got me thinking for a long time. I just have no idea where it fits in this lore but here goes. The Behelit/Beherit is an item required for one to accend to "Demon Hood, Godhand, Apostle etc." We know that there are many different types each special in their own right, now as you say a sacrifice is required as payment for this power, and those sacrified suffer immensly. We also know that the Behelit stays in the possession of the one who is destined to have it. This is mentioned only twice that I can recall. Here comes the fun part. I believe the Behelit in Guts' possession was actually meant for him. It never leaves his side, when lore dictated that it should, Its colour in the anime, and in some of the full colour pages I have seen is also different. Whether or not that is significant is for you to judge. Slan tried to tempt Guts and offered him the choice to ascend but he refused because Guts would never sacrifice the lives of the people he cared for, HOWEVER, he would sacrifice himself. I believe, in the future Guts will be given this option, The Behelit will activate and he will become his own sacrifice, and his payment would be his lifetime of suffering, both physical and emotional.
@robertpirtle7642
@robertpirtle7642 Жыл бұрын
You just blew my mind that makes so much sense it's right in the middle of what me and my buddy think. I thought him and griffith would kill each other and fall into the abyss. Finally becoming equals. I like yours better
@ayinwithnoyang
@ayinwithnoyang 8 ай бұрын
Interesting
@ryukomatoi592
@ryukomatoi592 Жыл бұрын
Hey Void! Doug Bradley called he wants you open the box! 😂
@billcox8870
@billcox8870 Жыл бұрын
It is not hands that call him but rather desire
@iangenuine
@iangenuine Жыл бұрын
I wish chapter 83 was included in the deluxe edition. I would have loved to see those panels in those pages
@Ihaaab
@Ihaaab Жыл бұрын
All i want is a spin-off where guts and griffith go off killing apostles until they manage to reach and kill the godhands 😭
@frado9194
@frado9194 Жыл бұрын
That’s something guts probably wishes too 😂
@Ihaaab
@Ihaaab Жыл бұрын
@@frado9194 i thought of it when guts and griffith teamed up on zod and managed to impress him, it was a really good sequence
@frado9194
@frado9194 Жыл бұрын
@@Ihaaab oh yeah i honestly wish there was a bit more of them teaming up. Their chemistry when fighting zod was crazy. Even when death is in there face Griffith devises a plan that guts can execute.
@deadinside44123
@deadinside44123 Жыл бұрын
@@Ihaaab my favorite moment from golden age arc. really solidified guts and griffiths bond and how well they could work off eachother. griffith won’t get that from anyone else.
@sitorchallenge5691
@sitorchallenge5691 Жыл бұрын
God hand: You shall die human Guts: *clang noises*
@neetuverma1726
@neetuverma1726 2 ай бұрын
I know know it's a small click but it means alot to you but it's not a small click for me me,you are mean so much to me,not trying to overreact but literally you guys have detailed information on everything I look for no 🧢
@jayrodrigo383
@jayrodrigo383 Жыл бұрын
a man once told me the world is a flat circle.
@craedenbearden8043
@craedenbearden8043 Жыл бұрын
"Your destined to watch beserk 1997 edition again"
@nomadjensen8276
@nomadjensen8276 Жыл бұрын
What is that? Nietzsche ? 😆
@Trollamollex
@Trollamollex Жыл бұрын
You think the world "IS" ? Wow they have you indoctrinated so hard
@SH19922x
@SH19922x Жыл бұрын
That's stupidity from Nolan not real life philosophy.
@jacenarcher357
@jacenarcher357 Жыл бұрын
Lies
@GardeDuCoeur
@GardeDuCoeur Жыл бұрын
I don't think that Causality and fate are the same, fate can't be changed. Guts is the variable, remember the first chapter guts should never have been born in the first place. Him and griffith are like fated to be nemesis, but the result of that causality is not a fatality.
@Fixundfertig1
@Fixundfertig1 Жыл бұрын
From whom is that hand holding the behelit at 0:36 ? Not void, because he has 6 fingers instead of 5
@christopherhegarty1565
@christopherhegarty1565 Жыл бұрын
The merchant who gave Griffith his behelit probably
@JohnnyRocker023
@JohnnyRocker023 7 ай бұрын
I think it is interesting, that demons and the Godhand abide by the flow of causality and see it as an absolute fate for all things human and ungodly. But Guts, being human, intensely individualistic and unwilling to put up with some idea of fate, makes me think that humans actually do have a lot of control over the flow. Even God, the Idea of evil, is a creation of man. It makes me think that humans are in fact in control of causality, not the other way around.
@iangenuine
@iangenuine Жыл бұрын
Its crazy how the idea of evil and the sea gods heart is very similar
@badman5852
@badman5852 11 ай бұрын
I've read some Berserk. Got 100 or so into it. Beautiful. Only showed up because I'm a From Software fan. Good stuff. Dark Souls stole from the best.
@doomslayer7719
@doomslayer7719 Жыл бұрын
"Free will." Is the law of causality. The only thing Chaos of any sort respects.
@astralnaught9431
@astralnaught9431 Жыл бұрын
1:39 Evil tellytubby sun featuring a snack on the side.
@dystopiansoothsayer
@dystopiansoothsayer Жыл бұрын
Causality is not being able to get a pet cat because you have a pet mouse.
@admiralnemo5231
@admiralnemo5231 4 ай бұрын
What is name of first song in video?
@Billabongbabalog
@Billabongbabalog 9 ай бұрын
15:03 that's some crazy shit😂
@Neoentrophy
@Neoentrophy Күн бұрын
So causality is just another word for fate in the Berserk universe
@epruno3583
@epruno3583 2 ай бұрын
Guts fights causality with a slab. There is nothing more badass.
@nicbahtin4774
@nicbahtin4774 5 ай бұрын
i guess it sounds deeper then "only ymir knows"
@alkannahcartwright4984
@alkannahcartwright4984 Жыл бұрын
Who wins causality or predestiny
@makimood
@makimood Жыл бұрын
I pay money, but if you're broke read it online Miura would've still appreciated
@DRACOFURY
@DRACOFURY Жыл бұрын
*Had To Watch This 3x Over 🤔*
@jet5299
@jet5299 10 ай бұрын
My personal theory when Griffith became a god hand and since he didnt know how to manipulate causality properly his actions in tourching gutts instead of killing him caused gutts fate not to happen when it was supposed to so it freeded him from fate which now he isnt apart of fate . Like the ideal of a small pebble that can cause a ripple that would eventually becomes a hurricane.
@joelkurtz1836
@joelkurtz1836 3 ай бұрын
So the real lesson here is: "Don't do anything...ever!"
@donkeylips88
@donkeylips88 Жыл бұрын
Would be epic if somehow the story progressed to where Guts is confronted with the idea of evil and is somehow about to find a way to kill it. Maybe it will be skull knight using his sword of actuation on the idea of evil or guts will use the dragon slayer on it destroying all the god hand only leaving Griffith in his human form. Guts will kill Griffith this way mark my words !
@ayinwithnoyang
@ayinwithnoyang 7 ай бұрын
Nah
@ryanr9299
@ryanr9299 Жыл бұрын
7 hours with 11 k views already.... Niceee
@bobaktxl06
@bobaktxl06 Жыл бұрын
I have behemoth cat
@blackpegasus7125
@blackpegasus7125 Жыл бұрын
😂Guts kicks so much ass that Slan was basically like “I know the Godhand is supposed to be 5 for 5 fingers, butttttt Void has six, so we NEED the Black Swordsman😍😋”
@noneed4me2n7
@noneed4me2n7 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I know what Gutz can do with dragon slayer and causality.
@msn64man1
@msn64man1 Жыл бұрын
Mars attacks god
@astralnaught9431
@astralnaught9431 Жыл бұрын
So the Moonlight child is guts baby merged with with Griffith
@AgataCris_
@AgataCris_ Жыл бұрын
The Causality concept its why I think Berserk will finish with the Guts and probably Casca death. Even if they are strugglers, all the manga is dictated about this concept and the primordial spiral of Causality. Would be amazing with Guts stoping the laws of the universe and all but its a stretch too hard and would give a bad plot armor to Guts since the rules are established and set to stone since the beginning. But well, I hope for the best.
@ksanbahlyngwa1998
@ksanbahlyngwa1998 9 ай бұрын
Didn't Miura say there will be a good ending?
@moviemaker2011z
@moviemaker2011z Жыл бұрын
band of the hawk.
@DennisNkosanaMpofu
@DennisNkosanaMpofu 10 ай бұрын
Beserk shows that life is not perfect but as a Christian l believe in choices.
@josuemagana7242
@josuemagana7242 Жыл бұрын
I feel so dumb for this just now dawning on me. But the idea of pure evil being represented as a human heart. WOW what a fantastic fucking metaphor by Miura.
@rmr1754
@rmr1754 Жыл бұрын
If life is only cause and effect something started that motion. Will? God?
@fredricotraversiere8868
@fredricotraversiere8868 Жыл бұрын
Hey it the symbol from brightburn(2019)
@theauditor3224
@theauditor3224 Жыл бұрын
GER fans:i think we've seen this one before
@Unflushablepiss
@Unflushablepiss Жыл бұрын
Gats clapped a demon first chapter
@TheKeyser94
@TheKeyser94 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call the modern age as pacifist, the First Irak War, the Somali War, the Invasion of Afghanistan and Irak, the aid to the Saudis to their genocide in Yemen, and the Israeli government to the Palestinian, the shadow war in Africa, the U. S. still meddling with South American politics staging coups, the last three decades weren't all but peaceful.
@tmerchead1
@tmerchead1 Жыл бұрын
You always have conflict but compared to the previous centuries we are living in a far more peaceful era .
@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051
@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 Жыл бұрын
None of those wars were as great or as big as the wars we had in ancient times.
@TheKeyser94
@TheKeyser94 Жыл бұрын
@@tmerchead1 No, this "peaceful era" is nothing more than a lie, because the U. S. covert their operation by not directly declaring the war to any country, even if there is a war, is a shame, a charade, something to make idiots sleep better at night.
@TheKeyser94
@TheKeyser94 Жыл бұрын
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 Irak is still occupied after twenty years, and there is still a guerrilla war in that country, the U. S. lose the war against Afganistan but the good and charitable U. S. government is doing everything in their power to starve the population to death, both war lasted more the two world wars combined. Twenty fucking years, and in case of Irak is still ongoing.
@TheKeyser94
@TheKeyser94 Жыл бұрын
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 Well, the hundred years war was more skirmishes and conquering territory, not was a total all war, you could say the same thing about the thirty years war, and the seven years war was not even a war, because Washington had the bright idea to shoot a French captain, it was more proxy war by giving weapons to the natives.
@lincolnhodge2371
@lincolnhodge2371 Жыл бұрын
Did you mean to say the Band of the Hawk when you said Band of the Falcon
@waytooboring-
@waytooboring- 11 ай бұрын
they’re the same thing
@aBlindManOnAcid
@aBlindManOnAcid Жыл бұрын
This is my bible
@cryptonyzer8699
@cryptonyzer8699 Жыл бұрын
So saitama can reverse causality
@fabiantalton6888
@fabiantalton6888 Жыл бұрын
This sounds like our world honestly. Us humans don’t know anything just like the humans in that lives with Griffith the Moonlight Boy. They don’t know he’s a false God. He’s a God/Demon. People in our world praise a false God and more. This life we all live in is Berserk meaning insane and more. We are just born into a life that we struggle. We are the Strugglers like Guts. I have so many questions about this life and definitely need to ask God questions because why are we all suffering so bad here on a prison planet. This whole world is strange to me, while most will ignore it just to sleep at night. Their are definitely higher being beyond our comprehension controlling this life.
@fabiantalton6888
@fabiantalton6888 Жыл бұрын
My wife and I seen things at night that will never make you want to sleep again. It was so strange we couldn’t even explain it. That’s when it became real to us that we all are govern by something far beyond us and they don’t want us to know we have abilities to overcome them if we all came together. Just like Guts and the others are about to come together to take out the God Hand as a whole! 😡💪🏾
@jet5299
@jet5299 10 ай бұрын
I like the ideal that humans are the one that created it by our fears and our need for their to be a reason for our suffering
@ghost-writer007
@ghost-writer007 Жыл бұрын
So where were causality before the idea of evil was created by humans!? How was the world working!?
@BardioTheGoat
@BardioTheGoat Жыл бұрын
Evil was always there
@waytooboring-
@waytooboring- 11 ай бұрын
causality is a fundamental principle of the universe, it has existed from the beginning of time. before the idea of evils inception it would have been controlled by humanity as a whole until the idea of evil started manipulating it
@OWlsfordshire
@OWlsfordshire Жыл бұрын
I love berserk because of all of its philosophical themes and ideas; however, the whole causality concept is garbage. You can't relate any of this predestination nonsense to the real world. They should have left it at perceived fate. Like Guts was assumed doomed from the start, but was able to fight against that. Not because fate is real, but because it isn't. Giving him some magical exemption to it is flat out retarded.
@henry-thepizzaeater-morgan704
@henry-thepizzaeater-morgan704 6 ай бұрын
Agreed
@iangenuine
@iangenuine Жыл бұрын
If they completely ignore this. I'ma be sad. I still feel like Gutts is cursed since birth. And his mom was a witch, (reason why she was hung). It would be kinda sad, he's not jus a normal man, but it kinda makes sense. (Everytime he fights an apostle they say, no mere mortal would survive this long)
@cobaltprime9467
@cobaltprime9467 Жыл бұрын
Fate can be defied. It just takes a strong enough will. Like getting angry enough to kill gods. Kratos and Asura. Or just being the perfect being that’s equal parts unstoppable power and… pink cuteness like Kirby. Yes. The God Hand would be defeated fairly quickly if up against Kirby. Law of Causality has nothing on the power of God and Poyo. “Deliver me from mine enemies, O my God: defend me from them that rise up against me. Deliver me from the workers of iniquity, and save me from bloody men. The mighty are gathered against me; awake to help me, and behold.” - Kirbo reciting Psalms 59
@iangenuine
@iangenuine Жыл бұрын
When i saw "the idea of evil" or "god" it really made me think that we are all Gods. Searchin for God is searchin within ourselves
@ripvanwrinkle5218
@ripvanwrinkle5218 Жыл бұрын
*moans*
@JR-zp3nw
@JR-zp3nw 8 ай бұрын
I think the Godhand is full of shit. They just want things to happen _their_ way and they make sure of that.
@cindys1819
@cindys1819 Жыл бұрын
So why is displaying a gallery of very ugly art a contribution to your arguments?.....
@LenBerry
@LenBerry Жыл бұрын
You could have given a spoiler warning for the narrator just blatantly telling me what happens past the physical volumes I've purchased. Not cool. Otherwise, great video.
@SH19922x
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Berserks lore is canonically exactly what pre-modern era Christianity lore was down to the letter. -The pagans actually are disgusting fiends who do sacrifice and torture for their gods. -The Holy iron chain knights hunt them down and physically witness said behaviours and then go overboard with their punishment which spilled onto innocent civillians despite being a justified punishment towards the actual pagans. The prophets actually do show themselves in the times of peril. The prophets and the churches actually do help the downtrodden and poor and believers despite being evil themselves in some regards. Etc, etc. Then it treats the 5 angels like actual old testament Lovecraftian style angels all except the eclipse and creating apostles(followers)(demons subjects) Its just taking the magic literally in the story instead of metaphorically
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