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LS also known as Last Slam lol

ITS SLAMMIN TIME

excellently pastad my friend

Perfection

KZfaq started autoplaying LCS This or That theme music right after and I died laughing

oh man that was hilarious

lol gotta rewatch breaking point now

no fucking way. nah who believes that?

Ah good to see the stans are still just saying shit baselessly. That's fun.

sounds like they fired him after a week cause he wasnt cut for the job. ls got fired on his day off LOOOOL

@@Teddy-se8qb Fuck are you talking about? They had a super positive record with him as their coach.

They got a fraud you mean 🤣🤣

I KNOW RIGHT???

yeah thats why Na doesn't work as a region IMO

Dont forget the speech "guys you can do this, you are the best"

Need more 1st blind pick renekton

but still get payed atleast twice the salary for most region that's why it will never get fixed they do the minimum job and get payed the same and they rarely get flamed cause they are in the background and most people don't know them NA always blame the players not the whole culture around it

Gotta love people just listening to what ls said goes on, definitely not a biased source :)

yeahhh, try arguing that in a lawsuit. even if that is the case all it takes is one lawsuit to go through to cost the company a lot of money.

@@tianolamas7832 try what in a lawsuit? Slamming hand on table is abuse?

@@tianolamas7832 LMAO lawsuit? brother if you try to file a lawsuit against a co-worker because they smacked their table in front of them with their palm and then walked away, no judge would ever agree to bring such a ridiculous lawsuit to a hearing... it is perfectly legal to slap your table as long as it doesn't escalate any further

@@whilemyguitarblowsup4174 you are thinking too small, he already stated that the guy by the kitchen was paying attention to make sure it didn’t escalate, tipically meaning that it has escalated before. But let’s assume it didn’t and it was just that, which I fully believe LS is making it sound way better for him, it is known that he would insult other managers, coworkers, loose his temper and walk out, like Sven stated that he had certain quirks that clearly are very negative to a workforce. And let’s say that many colleagues being that up to jack how they feel uncomfortable to work under the guy cause they feel like he might snap on them over small things cause he literally did snap over arguably very minor instances. Here jack has two options, fire the guy or stick with him. Let’s assume he stayed, now the people who complained have a giant target in their back cause they let it be known they feel uncomfortable with the guy, and we assume there is no change in LS attitude, you can argue that the work place has become unsafe for you as an employee due to your many formal complaints and consistent harassment which LS said is all documented. Like as someone who has been in corporate for a minute, there is a perfect work place lawsuit here for unsafe working conditions, hell even in California where C9 is located in you could argue for emotional distress with everything I just stated

@@tianolamas7832 my brother in Christ you cannot file a lawsuit on baseless assumptions and hearsay. Count the number of times you said “let’s say” or “let’s assume”. LS has never been convicted of anything violent and has no legal history of anything of the sort. None of that is based in anything that has actually happened. You seem to have some serious personal issues with the dude, but by all means, if you’d like to file a lawsuit for emotional distress in California, you could do so right now online. it’s incredibly expensive, which shouldn’t be so problem if you win the lawsuit because you can argue the cost of the suit is included in punitive costs. But if the judge rules it a frivolous case, costs are on you :) otherwise ur just all bark, no bite, cute imagination though

That's all that happens with guests on summoning insight. Let's be real lol

so you rather deal with Physical outburst then words??? Weak minds man.. weak minds.. Just remember.. when the objects ain't enough when being physical..you wind up being the table instead.. People who show out physically usually are the ones that use physical violence to solve their problems.. But your scared of words... cool story.. Get thicker skin..

It didn't really sound like Zven was trying to create drama. Probably exaggerated just a little bit because he was telling a funny/interesting story.

@@Defunctional Not having the foresight to realize words have meaning just shows how immature Zven is. This is how drama is created. People not thinking and just gossiping to garner attention.

Zven is a piece of garbage.. As always been his entire career :/

welp this is NA we are talking about is a retirement region for a reason. they dont want to be better, just getting paid

Yup don't watch a scrim maybe the coaching staff should have turned around and went for a walk or something smart man you are.

Smacking a desk is a childish way to express discontent. You would expect an adult to act better, but it’s not that big of a deal.

@@bayazwow lmao nah it’s called passion. Of course you’d think it’s childish cause you never played a single team sport in your entire life little bro 😂🤷🏻‍♂️

@@bayazwow I can think of many respected adults who does this to get their point across. Its just a heated moment of passion and impulse which adults are not immune to, just more capable of controlling.

Yeah but this is his side of the story, there are always 3 sides to each story. Just building a picture based on one story is why we have so mcuh unnessacary biased drama

"what he was trying to do" Draft healers isn't exactly innovative, and C9 won the whole thing without him

"Verbal beatdown"

@@katarinanokami2718 well there's benefit in trying to make someone feel good by playing like sht

Hey. A basic rule is science is that, correlation does not equal causation. Authoritarian type of teaching, has significantly different results depending on culture and ethnicity of an individual. And, no surprise, one person will react differently than another. Basically, to shorten and dumb it down. Certin methods of coaching work on certin type of people. If you care at all, search up types of parenting. While coaches and parents are distinct, they share a similarities.

@@dipteshrai5979 Really? I could understand one team being better, maybe two, but literally almost any LPL team in the league can crush the top NA teams. Are Asians just superior genetically when it comes to decision making and mechanics or maybe, it's the damn coaching.

@@ChesterZirawin I think it all points down to work ethic. It may not be that asians are better genetically mechanics-wise or decision making-wise, but it's that they know how to improve the way that they play faster than, for example, na teams, who seem like they still stick to old and worn out ideas, which in current and evolving metas, do not work so well.

So Max isn't a real coach because he isn't your favourite? Reapered isn't a real coach even though he's korean and I know you love some of that "Korean culture". How much actual fun can you have watching some borderline meta pics get picked for 2 weeks in spring? Stop kidding yourself like it was some ground breaking monumental effort you're brainwashing yourself so hard.

@@chris4824 I didn't say that but I can see how that was misconstrued sadly a lot of stuff gets taken the wrong way when you're writing text online. I have no issue with Max he seems good from what I've seen however its still just not the very visable coaching influence that LS had, you see a Ivern, you see a Soraka, you see them not roating for herald, you see 0 cookies, etc you KNOW LS is advocating for this, you can see in draft and in game his ideals and his priority. Its extreamly extremely rare for a coach to be this visibly influential I can only think of LS and Repeared (not so much more nowadays) most coaches its very hard to actually tell if they are doing a lot or doing nothing or being a detriment to the team 99% of the time you just don't know exactly what they're brining to the team, that doesn't mean they are bad but its just the reality of coaching in Esports atm.

@@chris4824 fuck max , nigga , Bring back LS

@@chris4824 Yes Max and Reapered have done so much to try and create a new meta right? How long did LS need to cry for for pro players to realise that enchanters are really strong? The fact is LS did switch up the meta in 2 weeks; enemy teams even banned Ivern and possibly Soraka (not too sure about raka tho). I can't see Reapered or Max doing anything closely similar that made viewing LCS refreshing with new picks or interesting at all. No matter how dogshit a champion is, pro players can't move away from their comfortable picks hence making the scene boring and repetitive.

C9 won after they kicked that fraud so no

No, no they don’t they literally won without him and have improved way more without him. The scene doesn’t need man children who have to “slam” things because they’re manic and emotionally unstable. That’s how players lose respect for you because you can’t convey your thoughts and emotions like a grown up, you know like an actual coach. KKoma NEVER would slam something, many actual good coaches NEVER throw a fit like a baby. Grow up

​@@CaptainFracture where did they improve without him, they literally won 3 games and then he got fired like we never saw what they would have done with LS

@@CaptainFracture yet somehow will still not make it out of groups at worlds. Yes, “improvement” for sure lmao

@@hMoObZoNg 2 koreans in the team what do you spect?

The vod is linked in the description. It's not at the start of the clip so you might have to go back a couple minutes though. (I think the timestamp is in the middle of the talking)

@@EravohnRname sweet, appreciate all the work you do with the channel m8!

Thanks!

Yes LS is a genius. I love him so much. Perfect human. I can't believe C9 betrayed him and the entire LOL community. C9 is going to hear from LS lawyers. After LS leaves C9 will never win a game. Get rid of the systems. NA is trash. I love soraka and Ivern mid lane.

@@tristanwright9572 Be as sarcastic as you want, but it won't change the fact that it was actually entertaining to watch NA games for a whole 5 minutes while LS was coaching

@@tristanwright9572 Nah i didnt meant they betrayed him or anything down that line i just believe they had a conflict of interest and didnt work out because i for sure wished it work the games and picks were entertaining and it was hard to say they were not constantly the most entertaining team to watch at that point

LMAOOOOO, please get some brain

Look at valorant coaches lmao shit they slam scream say what the fuck are u doing all this shit and it’s normal and comical we all love it. I don’t get why NA cares about this that much even LPL coaches for league care and yell

Because NA players have moon sized egos that can’t handle being told how to improve

@@benjamincoubrough95 right... those players ego is almost as big as that of LS...

no he got fired because he didnt attend to meetings from C9 iwilldominate said it on stream

@@shanks2058 sauce?

​@@BriceLijewski it was on stream i dont know if there is any rediffusion or when it was

Was it recently? Like last few days? Only on twitch or KZfaq? I would assume someone would've posted it on c9 or lol subreddit?

According to someone else it was said a long timr ago. Do you know when? Was it during a c9 game? Is it on yt?

problem is, this is not traditional sports, most esports developt of the "how the fuck can coaches know th game better than me if he isnt even top100" mentality. because its still very jung compared to football for example and acutall high lvl esports as we see it grow for the past couple of years is even junger... so actuall ingame coaches that know the gameinside out are rare and only start developing over the times (OW has a few that are awesome at startegy and teamcomps but suck themself at FPS but its easyer to make that disconnect in that game compared to CS or MOBAs). So they started as "generall manager", "stat research" and "teambuilder", someone that makes shure that the team gets along and does proper scrims/orgenises scrims. that is still the thing they do the mostly and the actuall positons like GM and stuff are even newer. It will take time until there is a proper "player coach relationship" at least in terms of micromanaging ingame playstyles and things like "items", "wardplacements" etc etc.. atm coaches do a more broad aproch because "top100 player knows items better than this random dude" (to say it in a simple way) even "old" players have the stigma of "game has changed so what do you know" you can say "but but LoL is out so long now" - Doublelift didnt retire so lang ago, we are in the second maybe third itterartion of playergeneration (no i dont count the players that come and go) and that is true for most of the games out. (well if you count CS from 1.6 you are probably in like the 5th, even quake is not that far into it - but they just dont have knew players comming out that mutch) i know that the way i wrote it is on the more extreme side, but it explains the underlying problem

@@the1sH0 the coach is supposed to be someone object. Someone who watches from a different perspective and sees what you don't. While the player focuses on mechanic and items, the coach only focuses on the game state and items along with engages. He focuses on les things so he most likely knows what you didn't even see. Take this case as an example. Objectively it was true he is behind in mythic. Coach pointed out what the problem is after multiple reviews and told you. Even in almost every sport the coach can't compete at the level of the person he is coaching, but they are there to guide you and observe things you might not see, notice

@@ChesterZirawin Other sport are widely diffrent than league of legend. You should be able to reach at least DiamondIII even with dogshit mechanics if you were on part with the players. So no players shouldnt just sit there and just listen. They are miles above their coaches. HE is only there for advice, help with comp, team synergy, etc...

@@chocola4588 that is so wrong. There are literally challenger players in ladder RIGHT NOW that dont understand half the shit LS does. Please stop acting like they are geniuses because they are high level. Being really good at the game DOES NOT make you coach material and they are not equals. At all. In literally ANYTHING (except maybe cooking)

@@sleepyheartss "There are literally challenger players in ladder RIGHT NOW that dont understand half the shit LS does." That litterally just mean what he does is stupid. " Please stop acting like they are geniuses because they are high level." You mean stop acting like they are good at the game because they are good at the game ? "Being really good at the game DOES NOT make you coach material and they are not equals." Never said anything close to that. What I said is you can not expect to be treated like a god if you can't pass Diamond. How stupid do you have to be to expect someone to treat your word as gospel when that person is better than you. I'll try to make it simpler as your seem like a average ls enjoyer. Coaches are worse then player therefore their word can't be treated as gospel. Pros know more about the game than fucking coaches. A coach can not micro manage a player.

Exactly, that's job gone most of the time

implying Man U isnt in shambles lol

Man Utd would still be in shambles if not for Ferguson throwing a shoe on Beckham

Man U is in Morde últ rn brother

Sorry for Spanish

LOL got me good

The fact that Zven made a statement about LS when LS is no whatsoever a part of C9 is funny to me. And the fact that you think this is funny shows how much of a child you are. If someone tweets about you and it got controversial it's only normal to response to that. There's always two sides of a story. If you're a fan and dickriding for Zven so badly just say that buddy. Cope.

LS is a fraud coach so he wouldn’t have changed that

is it professional though, to be hired to improve the team and its chances to win and then just sit there like a couchpotato and spectate a game and then be offended when you are called out for your inactivity? i think its more professional for a coach to call something like that out, because in the end its just wasting resources for basically nothing. you can do that in a semi-pro team or something but this is supposed to be the teams highest up the ladder, they are getting paid to play their best and improve. (edit was a spacing that made a random link)

The players failed to carry out what they're tasked too, is that respect lost from his part as well? "They didn't do it because they aren't explicitly told to do so" isn't an excuse, if you have doubts you ask - personally I don't think the players held LS in high regards from the short time he had

said like someone that has no idea what he's talking about

The most articulate and reasonable response that isn't throating LS and I'm sure next to no one will see it. 100% agree.

If youre uncomfortable because your coach slapped the table then youre a pussy ass bitch. Sorry not sorry.

it's very obvious most of the people commenting have never worked in a competitive professional environment before. verbal disagreements are encouraged, obviously, otherwise you never improve. physicality or verbal discrimination (i.e. making it personal) is unacceptable and he clearly crossed that line. and yet people are saying that's what a "real coach" does. Real leaders can make their points with words without having manbaby tantrums.

Smacking a table is not a big fucking deal lmao. Its a very common thing. Ive seen worse in a work environment and nobody got fired. If it made the players that uncomfortable theyre paper spined children and deserve to keep failing at Worlds every year.

@@rh7474 curious where you've worked? White-collar or blue-collar, what was the situation where it happened? As I said, I've seen people start fights because of that. Again this isn't just about NA. Imagine if LS did that to criticize someone like Vasili.

It was obviously more than once - As Zven already stated and LS’s own words were that Winsome felt he was being singled out and couldn’t talk to him… that tells you it was way more than once. If you punch a desk once - That’s not gonna get you fired. Players complaining about you and then you are seen punching desks and complaining about coaches - That will get you fired. But hey LS said he wasn’t toxic so everyone else must be lying right? Man id love to be a criminal with someone like you on the jury; “We had 10 eyewitnesses and you have a history of violence” “Yeah but I didn’t do it - It was a misunderstanding” “Well he must be innocent”.

Ah yes the good ol' "he acts a certain way trying to entertain people that means he is that certain way." So question, do you think if tyler1 gets angry enough in public or when talking to his gf he rips his shirt of screaming or that he sometimes randomly makes cow noises? Does SRO say "Boom whaddup SoloRenektonOnly here" whenever he meets a friend?

Would he be a good streamer if that were the case

@@filthyjones6150 T1 was banned over 18 times from league for being toxic. He was one of the few people to be perma banned on all accounts. So I think its safe to say yes, he gets angry. It is exaggerated for stream, but he clearly has anger issues.

@@ThePonyxslaystation much as i dont like T1, if you pay attention to anything he does off league its so obvious he is not that person. He simply doesnt give a shit about league. But lets ignore that: so we agree that content creaters exagerate reactions for content... so its clearly possible ls' yelling and manic laughing and analogies etc are possible jokes/exagerations. So his sin is... getting mad and having emotions? The funniest part of all this is just there are much easier things people can target with ls. He admits to have a fucked up mental state for a while now. He also talks about how angry he was 24/7 (at nemesis). You can so easily say "well maybe his anger spilled over". He admits to it himself but instead you use the point "he yells in stream and says "HAHA ETU" so he is clearly insane."

@@filthyjones6150 I stopped reading when you claimed Tyler doesn't give a shit about league. Lol

Not comparable at all. Regi is the head honcho, he is not as disposable as a coach. Most people (as far as I can tell) don't really seem to care about how LS acted, except for C9 who have no affiliation with Regi. C9 having a problem with the way one of their coaches act is much different than a founder, owner, and CEO of a company bullying people because there's pretty much no one above him that has a say in the matter. No one is saying that what Regi did was acceptable and how LS acted isn't so I don't understand your point here. Riot themselves did an investigation into Regi (even if it was pretty late considering how long he had been acting the way he does) but they did not do this for LS because it's not comparable.

@@cassianjennings2084 Cope

Yes

Oh yeah a random kid with no coaching experience in the highest league like you do huh? Do you think a coach is a general and anyone disobeying no matter how stupid the order is gets executed? LS is just a random dude to actual pros. He is an analyst celebrity with no coaching achievements. Yes the coach does have privileges in decision making but its not a one man show that dictates everything. Pros are more knowledgeable and skilled in their respective jobs, if he cant explain it logically to the pro so they adopt it, the coach failed

@@ReuterL one im not a kid im 28 but beeing a kid will make my stament no diferences... im gona assume you are frome use. Two LS has the respect of a lots of big pros and this claim in particular (pink ward) was pretty clear. 3 couchs may be less know. About the game but LS is not and thats his point he was asking for an explenation that the player was not able to give. And dud stop beeing mad in chat i dont give a shit about your opinión but for that reason im not aloud to desrespect you...

@@germandiaz1742 thats why you admire LS. You both are bad at making arguments and talking to people. The player is not supposed to defend anything, he is supposed to give his thought process and make the decision accordingly. He is not on trial because he offended LS temper we all know from his stream just because he doesnt like something like wasting gold on pinks. LS has a shit approach to other humans and it shows

@@ReuterL how im bad talking to ppl? One i dont admire LS i never said that. Two in an arugment you should defend your actions thats why are we in the argument in the first place. But again i think you are traing to win the argument and not understand the point of my first claim

That's why you don't see USA on FIFA

so you're a higher up or even just an employee while at work, do you want someone getting angry and slamming their hands down onto things? this particular instance isnt that extreme but it is 100% unprofessional to do

because its rage about something he doesnt have reason.

@@lyricahm3370 Chatting

Because it is, he clearly have rage problems and that's not healthy for the evironment

@@sensaiko they are teenagers playing video games for a living.

you clearly have never seen doc rivers career lmao

Fnatic just as shit as C9 lmao

Where did they say he didn't show up to meetings? The thoorin interview? (Didn't see it yet)

@@EravohnRname source is IWD, but full details are not confirmed

But where/when did he say it? Because I'd like to see it for myself too. If it was on twitch was it the last few days? Is it on KZfaq too? I'm surprised it isn't on reddit though (that i could find)

@@EravohnRname quite a while ago, during this season though

Dont think it makes it better by describing a toxic work environment in another region. This doesn't fly with skilled adult workers. A manager acting like you described would get disciplinary penalty for disrupting the work atmosphere, company culture, employee rights and respect and causing the company to lose important skilled employees. Work between people is two way street and need respect. Clowns thinking managers can do anything to subordinates are fired

@@ReuterL UFC fighters? Football? Soccer? Boxing? Need I go on. It happens and shit gets fixed. There’s a massive difference between harsh criticism and a toxic work environment. It seems to me with how LS explained it it wasn’t toxic. Especially when he mentioned he would tell them the problems 1 on 1 so as to not embarrass the player in front of his peers.

And they made first place without him lol. He's an immature brat hahah

@@josephrushes and now they will do a TSM at worlds going 0-8 in groups 😂

@@EvolutionWar TSM is a failure internationally, C9 isn’t. I get it, you ride Or die with LS LMAO.

@@josephrushes I Get it you ride or die with C9 the LCS champions and coming Worlds failures. Sad you dont see it yet its so obvious LMAO.

@@EvolutionWar So LS failed to do anything with the team, but you want him to stay. But when they actually do something, you assume they'll fail at the next hurdle? Just buy a T3 sub to the guy and stop watching pro league, and if you already have one which you probably do, go and donate one to someone else so he can add another member to the church of Least Success

Esports may be different, but I have been coached at a high level and this is tame compared to some coaches. There are coaches who throw you into the water to see if you can swim e.g. "earn your spot or don't play" which highlight players who perform under pressure, coaches who peacefully, philosophically bring a team together e.g phil jackson who bring out the best in genuine people who trust/buy into the system, and coaches that just treat you like a dog e.g most american football coaches or the coach from last chance u basketball who bring out the best in players who want to fight to win more than they care about themselves. All of these coaching strategies are conducive to winning a lot in a competitive environment, given that the pool of players is high enough. I agree that the first and the third are toxic and should be phased out of competitive environments for the sake of the people putting in the work, but saying coaches like this don't exist in elite competitive environments is just not true. They exist, they are effective, they are toxic, and they should not have a place in a healthy environment that is player-focused. All of these statements can co-exist. Some teams just care about the second one unfortunately. This experience though comes from a background of elite math/computer science competition and world class engineering training at a very selective organization so take it with a grain of salt. I'm just a huge fan of sports who has noticed the same coaching patterns.

@@Bossnificent Yes. All these fragile children complaining about a coach causing undue stress, when the job of a competitive player requires, by definition, performing well UNDER GREAT STRESS.

Neither will EU, #1 they don't have the money to get good players(eu talent is dog water), #2 they play even less games and practice less than NA

@@borowik5614 they already did what are you on about lmao, and they did it with eu talents

@@borowik5614 And with the “less practice and money” you say they still shit on na every year lmao

soy alert

Nt true , i disagree on the first point , it actually is very common especially in the asian region for coaches managers and leaders to rip people apart verbally if it helps improve them

@@jundatan1654 I mean come on LS didnt rip anyone verbally he just got mad that the coaches didnt do their jobs

I don't think that's true at all. There's a completely different player culture in the Asian regions and work ethic. I can't remember anything similar or anything the players have said regarding the coaching meetings. There was a fuss a few years back about the Griffin coach being abusive but since then that was proven to be fabricated bs.

??? he got mad at two people for not doing their job. He was the HEAD coach, one of his main duties is to make sure the other coaches/analysts are doing what is needed. he very obviously doesnt speak like he is doing on stream to the people he works with

and it wasn't even a slam. "4-finger" slap more like. People these days..

Overqualified because he has repeatedly shown he can't improve korean players despite speaking the language and being super in with the culture? How did his Korean challenger team go? They all thriving in LCK now?