M3 MacBook Pro 8GB vs 16GB RAM - How BAD is base model?

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@MaxTechOfficial 8 ай бұрын

Blender 4.0 Is now working with 8GB M3 Macbooks (make sure to update MacOS and Blender)

@dfallen4ngel 7 ай бұрын

Lmao Dont recommend this channel

@M22018 4 ай бұрын

@@dfallen4ngel lmao apple sheep burned on soldered ram

@thestype 8 ай бұрын

Offering any new Mac with 8GB RAM in 2023 is an insult, especially when they call it a "Pro" device. Thanks for the comparisons! They are the best from all over youtube.

@danieldorchester5221 8 ай бұрын

I’m with you on this. My 2012 16” Mac Book I ordered with 16G and it is still a decent laptop. Always max out Ram, no computer should have less than 16G. Very poor decision on Apples part, one they need to rectify. You might as well buy an iPad Air instead of this.

@Shineinpoverty 8 ай бұрын

True, pro and 8gb ram seem like madness. Stop calling it pro or change.

@FoodOnCrack 8 ай бұрын

My phone has more ram than this pro laptop

@Dr.Mzungu 8 ай бұрын

Insult, it's a scam pretty much like all Apple products

@thestype 8 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-vq5wx Yeah, that „strategy“ is contibuting to the insult.

@AvocadoAtrocity 8 ай бұрын

The 8GB is also shared with the GPU. So it's even less than 8GB available. 😭😭😭

@Aidan.17 8 ай бұрын

Exactly when you start using GPU acceleration the GPU wants prob 4GB minimum. That means theres 4GB for CPU. 4GB means your forced to the use swap file heavily on using it for Pro applications that have GPU acceleration. 8GB has no place in any pc in 2023 even Chrome is a RAM hog these days.

@NyangisKhan 8 ай бұрын

Not to mention full ram means more files being written to your SSD that is *soldered to your mainboard.* Which means it'll become e-waste _way_ faster than the 16GB model.

@majbt45 8 ай бұрын

@@Aidan.17 so it should've been at least 12 or 16gb of ram as a base line.

@tecialist 8 ай бұрын

Not really that’s not how unified memory architecture works

@adarion2994 8 ай бұрын

That's insane how they put that "unified memory" as a selling point it's literally worse to have that ...

@pichomor 8 ай бұрын

I’m a full stack software developer and my workflow consists of multiple instances of Webstorm and multiple browser tabs and believe me, 16gb is the bare minimum you need. I’m using an old intel 16” mac and I know Apple Silicon works more efficiently than Intel but 8gb is 8gb of ram. The words “8gb ram” and “pro” can’t be in the same sentence.

@narutobroken 8 ай бұрын

The iPhone now has the same amount of ram as MacBooks, hilarious considering that phones only run one app at a time.

@ivancosta3229 8 ай бұрын

I use an M1 for a similar workload, my memory pressure is around 13GB, so I do support saying that 16 is the bare minimum

@Mmacrossfirekenai 8 ай бұрын

@@tonyburzio4107 He didn't try it. He can only speak from his old Intel Mac.

@beyondthedetails 8 ай бұрын

@@tonyburzio4107 The hell? You don't need to try it. I have an M2 15" and 8GB is 8GB like he said.

@LouisDuran 8 ай бұрын

Unless you are using XCode, your entire workflow could be done on a $1500 PC with 32GB RAM and 2TB SSD.

@user-uc5xo7yu7n 8 ай бұрын

It's not really the matter of how bad it is, its a matter of charging 1600+ for just that

@bengoey 8 ай бұрын

Surely not that much price differnce for RAM memory chip. I am not asking for SSD price difference. Correct me if I am wrong.

@remulsive9558 8 ай бұрын

Then you will be happy to hear they are NOT charging 1600 for RAM. Why are you people incapable of grasping the fact that you’re not paying for individual specs?? The price tag is for the build, ios, support, top of the line performance via M3, speakers, display and battery.

@andou1871 8 ай бұрын

@@remulsive9558 purrrr

@konstidog 8 ай бұрын

I get the whole bundle is 1600, but that’s still a LOT of money to drop on a computer that will be set back by having only 8 gigs of ram. It’s like the 16 gig iphones back in the day.

@POVwithRC 8 ай бұрын

Don't like it, don't buy it😊

@AndyJMacLeod 8 ай бұрын

People hate that Apple is so mercenary about its upgrade costs. The only reason the base model starts with 8GB is because Apple know people want at least 16GB, so will probably upgrade. If someone doesn’t upgrade, they feel unhappy about their new machine. If someone does upgrade, they feel unhappy about being screwed for money. Either way, Apple is giving its customers a less enjoyable experience.

@DJAJ101 8 ай бұрын

But wait! Apple cares about the environment! So they would never make a computer that will be completely useless in 2-3 years when 8GB isn't even enough to boot the damn laptop right? Ha! The most hypocritical company on the planet..."we care about the environment to make a 10 min video about how we're saving the planet in our iPhone keynote but come buy all these obsolete laptops we just made because they'll be in a landfill in 2 years because we're too stupid to upgrade them all to 16GB for pennies on the dollar our cost". Apple has to be in some serious financial trouble to screw people over this bad on a "PRO" laptop!

@Fordance100 8 ай бұрын

Right that's $200 robbery right there.

@hieutora 8 ай бұрын

@@DJAJ101 They also keep the damn lightning port on their magic mouse and keyboard because why would they spend any more money to make your life and the planet better

@igmanfermont513 8 ай бұрын

@Djaj101 Useless In 6 Months Bro Lol

@asinglefrenchfry 8 ай бұрын

@@DJAJ101I think the general lack of repairability and upgradability in their products is the biggest reason for environmental concern, apart from just the RAM amount becoming obsolete. It all circles back to Right to Repair.

@patricktrossbach668 8 ай бұрын

It’s shameful that 16 gb isn’t the standard and is deemed a premium upgrade.

@savedfaves 8 ай бұрын

8 GB "Pro" machine with two slower USB ports as a product should not exist. Heck, the base MacBook Air had 8GB of RAM nearly ten ago. 8 GB Macs should not exist, period. Apple is run by the greediest of folks. They can all get bent as far as I'm concerned.

@casshernsins8333 8 ай бұрын

@@savedfavesand the amount of apple shills defending apple too. Even max tech who’s biased to apple is calling them out. Yet there are people glazing apple

@randyanderson2285 8 ай бұрын

Right. I hate choice. I also hate being able to buy a machine with that display and those speakers for 1500. It’s just awful.

@jenzimibra 8 ай бұрын

Drama queen

@progamer1125 8 ай бұрын

16gb is considered the bare minimum to do anything, apple just wants to be special

@rileyhance318 8 ай бұрын

you’re probably better off finding a base 14 m2 pro for the same 1600 usd. same ssd speed, double ram, double external display, quieter and cooler under load, faster multicore, 40% higher gpu performance, only downside is about 10% slower in single core workloads.

@allaboutferrets 8 ай бұрын

Actually you’re better off buying M1 Max for this price if you can find one

@rileyhance318 8 ай бұрын

@@allaboutferrets there are no more new m1 max machines for sale only used and refurb so right off the bat comparison to a new machine is apples to oranges. for sake of argument if a new m1 max did magically exist in current market it would be around 2000 not 1600 usd going off of used ebay listings. base m2 pro has 12% higher single threaded with same multicore scores, way faster in editing due to better encoders on m2, better battery life from more efficient chip. downsides being half ram and storage and 30% less gpu performance than m1 max. but none of this matters because someone isnt going to be cross shopping a max chip with a base m3 chip. the kind of person looking at a base m3 13 inch would not notice the upsides of the max chip and would only notice shorter battery life and would be better off with an m2 pro not m1 max.

@saricubra2867 8 ай бұрын

M2 Pro is closer to my Core i7-12700K desktop chip than the M3 Pro, both have 8 perfomance cores and 4 efficency cores. The perfomance per watt on the M2 Pro is very good, and i found that my i7-12700K has better perfomance per watt than the i7-12700H laptop chip (6 perfomance cores, 8 efficency).

@allaboutferrets 8 ай бұрын

That’s actually nice explanation !

@rileyhance318 8 ай бұрын

@@saricubra2867 you can only compare amount of p and e cores on same manufacturer with same clocks. not only are apples chip and intels not using the same design but they arent even both x86. apples chips are all arm based. you cant simply take the p and e core amount on each chip to use as comparison. when doing cross architecture comparisons you also have to take into account software you might be using that doesnt have native arm versions which would have to run through a translation layer. also doesnt take into account apples neural engine and encoders built in to artificially boost performance that the cpu and gpu would normally struggle with. basically too complicated to give a basic answer on which is objectively better

@joeltucci1916 8 ай бұрын

Another issue with the ram is that most 3rd party vendors only sell Apple’s stock configs and while they used to offer one stock model with upgraded Ram but they no longer do. So if you want to upgrade ram but not CPU you have to buy from Apple directly or from a very small number of 3rd party vendors. So if amazon has a sale you can’t take advantage of the sale if you want more memory. So that 8 gb upgrade often costs you more than $200

@SalivatingSteve 8 ай бұрын

This!

@jer4rud0 4 ай бұрын

I’d be alright if they sold the 16gb config in stores…

@parjau4554 8 ай бұрын

I remember the tests you did with the M1 units where there was not a huge difference between 8GB and 16GB except at the very limits of multitasking. With the M3s, the differences seem massive!

@progamer1125 8 ай бұрын

you know how it is, when your workload simply does not fit in 8gb of ram (basically nothing does) you have to swap to the ssd which is really slow and also ruins its life (cant replace it, its soldered and proprietary)

@parjau4554 8 ай бұрын

@@progamer1125 That was the thing with the M1 units though. The SSD, therefore swap was very fast (comparatively, for its time). I was struck by how my M1 Air 8GB had no noticeable slowdown with 8GB swap so really functioned like a 16GB. The idea that using swap diminishes SSD life is not really true for modern SSDs. There were a huge number of videos done on this subject back when the M1s came out and people were paranoid about longevity. They showed that it was not an issue. This has been confirmed by no M1 SSD issue having manifested over the subsequent years.

@spaceowl5957 8 ай бұрын

I have an experience that I rarely see discussed. I had an early 2015 intel MacBook Pro with 8gb for many years and it never EVER slowed down no matter how many hundreds of open chrome tabs, electron apps, etc I threw at it. The only time saw it slow down from ram was when I had several instances of a Haskell interpreter running in the background for hours leaking hundreds of gigabytes of memory. But now I have an M1 MacBook with 8gb and it constantly becomes stuttery during normal use from just using vscode, Spotify, obsidian, a few browser tabs, plus a few smaller apps in the background. Ram pressure in Activity monitor is almost always yellow, and I often get this pop up saying I need to close apps because the ram pressure is too high (but it’s sort of random, not showing up every time it slows down). I never saw that ONCE in my years of using the intel. (Which also had 8gb) I think it needs to be talked about more how much of a downgrade the ram management was on M1 macs vs intel. In my experience it was night and day. And now with m3 it seems even worse according to this video.

@syedrahman3251 8 ай бұрын

@@spaceowl5957yes i often had 30 tabs open on my 2017 mac air at 4gb ram. First time i saw stuttering performance was with my mac book air m1 2023 with 8gb ram with just 6 or 7 tabs open - SHOCKING !! 😮😮

@byCeevu 8 ай бұрын

They missed out on such a great device price wise. Imagine the 16gb M3 Macbook Pro for 1599$...

@ramseyrodriguez8515 8 ай бұрын

What's surprises me is that Apple didn't wanted even to upgrade the base RAM to 12GB? Even 10GB could have been a massive upgrade, to keep up with the browsing needs... They are cruel.

@the_dude182 8 ай бұрын

12GB just is not enough for any non-budget computer in 2023.

@jmtradbr 8 ай бұрын

Maybe they can't mix ram sizes.

@saricubra2867 8 ай бұрын

@@the_dude182Never was, i have a 10 year old lenovo laptop with a Core i7-4700MQ and that has 16GB of DDR4 RAM. The absolute minimum for music production. That uses 1TB SSD SATA. Now i have a Core i7-12700K desktop PC with 32GB of DDR5, extremely overkill but it helps for beefy projects. Not only that but i have two M.2 SSDs with PCIe gen 4 (Gen 4 SSDs are twice as fast vs Apple's SSDs) 1TB each. People overlook storage as well, RAM and storage on Apple right now is such a mess. A descent 1TB high perfomance PCIe SSD for PC is just 60 dollars.

@user-rb4hf9zc7h 8 ай бұрын

From a business point of view they wanna push people to buy the higher end model and generate more revenue. Thats all, and its simple business strategy, so dont be mad about it.

@peterbreis5407 8 ай бұрын

@@user-rb4hf9zc7h They should have made it more obvious by removing the keyboard from the base model.

@kraigbailey3321 8 ай бұрын

These real world tests are always SO enlightening and valuable! Thanks!

@michaeledrian424 8 ай бұрын

for 1599$ is just didn't make sense to put only 8gb ram

@narutobroken 8 ай бұрын

The same as the new iPhones 😂. Hilarious

@juliusmeindl6219 8 ай бұрын

1999€ in Germany😢

@narutobroken 8 ай бұрын

@@garrusvakarian8709 yeah my 2011 MacBook Pro came with 8GB of RAM. This is robbery

@sholmes_ttyy 8 ай бұрын

@@garrusvakarian8709 because mac useds are sheeps

@bjorneisenseite1 8 ай бұрын

@@juliusmeindl6219Bengel die 1599$ sind ohne Märchensteuer.

@SonicMasterEX 8 ай бұрын

Don’t worry guys, they will up the RAM when they found another new bottleneck 😊

@aero1000 8 ай бұрын

Excellent review, the results are clear throughout multiple practical tests. 8 Gb clearly slows down quickly and can even not execute some features in some of the programs. The 8gb version should not be called "pro"

@JustAPersonWhoComments 8 ай бұрын

Great job on the thorough analysis and insights into the practical differences. This definitely helps in making an informed decision before investing in the M3 MacBook Pro

@alextgordon 8 ай бұрын

It will also ruin your SSD to have so much swapping happening all the time. It's not even 8GB of RAM, it's 8GB of shared CPU and GPU RAM, once you deduct the memory used by the GPU then you have even less RAM left over for applications.

@Alobster1 8 ай бұрын

Even worse an SSD that cannot be replaced. I stopped messing with macbooks when they started soldering the SSD to the board. I have seen enough SSD's fail to know this is bad.

@progamer1125 8 ай бұрын

chrome is barely usable in 8gb of ram, let alone workloads the macbook was designed for (compiling programs, 3d rendering, video editing) 8gb of ram is litearlly the bare minimum you need to open premiere at all, and i dare you to run a blender render at 1080p in that little memory

@Whomecouldntb3 5 ай бұрын

Most consumers will never see a SSD fail due to swap. You guys are not running servers. Stop this

@LAG09 8 ай бұрын

This just cements my decision to move on from Apple and what really killed it for me was the soldered SSD. Which is a wear part. I've had year model 2007, 2011, 2013 and 2015 15" Macbook Pros that have had their HDD/SSD upgraded or replaced after failure. The first two also got a RAM upgrade. This is like making a car where its not only impossible to replace the tires and the brakes, but also having crap tires by standard and charging you like crazy to get something decent. Once that 2015 machine gives up the ghost or otherwise becomes unusable I'm replacing it with a Framework laptop.

@sawyiier4870 7 ай бұрын

Indeed ssds will die in the end becuse of the amount of write you put in them its a ((((pro)))) model but you cant have the full control of your 1600$ which if you bought the 8gb model you then you have been robbed😂😂the whole upgrade prices is a robbery.

@accentontheoff 8 ай бұрын

As always thanks for the detailed analysis for music producers.

@omarhassan6424 8 ай бұрын

Would love to see a comparison RAM test between the m3 pro 18gb and 36gb

@antdx316 8 ай бұрын

The price is too high in difference. It's better not to know. Someone did a 14" M3 Max vs a 16" M3 Max and the 14" M3 Max didn't do too good at all compared to the 16" M3 Max. If you are spending that much budget, you have to get the latest Windows Gaming Laptop instead. People who are getting premium Macbooks possibly use Apple only apps. If you are using a Windows version with the latest RTX and Intel CPU, it should be as good or way better than the Apple M3 Max especially for gaming. I got the 14-core 18GB M3 Pro for mobile use primarily. If I'm looking for a powerhouse PC I either use the Alienware 17 R5 or the 7950X3D with RTX 4090 desktop.

@jayba8964 8 ай бұрын

Thanks Max! Great testing to reveal how 8G of RAM really is to compare with 16G. Once again we know that don’t ever, ever buy base model of MacBook. On the other hand, Apple charges $200 for RAM upgrade to 16G is crazy…. Man we are in 2023, not 1993…..

@NZDLo 4 ай бұрын

Your videos are so helpful! Thank you for showing real life scenarios and the performance. You helped me make the right decision!

@nintendork07 8 ай бұрын

$500 laptops come with 16gb of ram and faster 1tb SSDs. apple charging $1600 with 8gb RAM and PCIe 3.0 512gb SSDs is shameful

@siwi666 8 ай бұрын

wow, that is an astounding difference. well done MaxT

@regalblack1503 8 ай бұрын

8 GB is not even considered enough ram in phone's these days 😅 and this is a laptop

@Alnamaani 8 ай бұрын

Don’t forget it’s apple ram it’s special 😅

@TheOrisya 8 ай бұрын

No, it's still enough for phone. Even 6 is still enough.

@keco185 8 ай бұрын

I'd argue that most people do more computationally intensive stuff on their phones these days than they do on their laptops. (Excluding professionals in video/photo/3D modeling)

@StijnSmits 8 ай бұрын

At least 16GB for ML Engineers

@PSy84 8 ай бұрын

@@garrusvakarian8709can you show that it crashes? I havent experienced it yet

@renal76littlediddy 8 ай бұрын

Hi, thanks for your amazing vid, was expecting for that review ! pretty amazed with the results ! Cheers

@GalenlevyPhoto 8 ай бұрын

That’s the reason why I have 16 gig ram on my 2017 iMac. I only spent $25 for the ram to 16 gig few years ago. It made a difference in performance. I did the same with my 2009 Mac mini to 8 gb from 4 gb. I wish Ram is upgradable on the Apple silicon but nope sadly.

@saricubra2867 8 ай бұрын

ARM chips need the memory bandwidth, that's why they are soldered. If memory is upgradable like on x86, it would tank perfomance. If you get Intel or AMD chips, since the CPUs have a lot of cache memory, slower RAM doesn't hurt as much (SODIMM or DIMM standard) and it's cheaper (but the CPUs themselves aren't as efficient and run hotter).😮

@GalenlevyPhoto 8 ай бұрын

@@saricubra2867 yeah I’m aware about that. Of course Apple silicon provides better performance per watt compared to Intel processors.

@cmoullasnet 8 ай бұрын

At this point, Apple is basically selling brand new e-waste for $1,600. Impressive for shareholders, not very impressive for prospective buyers.

@Fear.of.the.Dark. 8 ай бұрын

agreed. But if dont sell e-waste, how will they force users to upgrade in a few years time when their 8gb machines become even way more slower .....

@parakatesreekanth 8 ай бұрын

Maxx, Could you please review and compare M2 Mac Pro 16GB (10 Core CPU Base Model) vs M3 Mac Pro 18GB (11 Core CPU Base Model)

@odrea592 8 ай бұрын

great work as always!

@gabrielesabbatino2460 8 ай бұрын

Great video, and buyers guide. Are you planning to test also a 16 vs 32 Gb config?

@jmtradbr 8 ай бұрын

If you use the gpu a lot, the more the better since it's shared.

@Nesutaadesu 8 ай бұрын

I’m definitely guilty of having 30-40 tabs open along with a few programs for work (fusion 360 and Lightroom mostly as I’m a woodworker) and then on top of that I’ll let my girlfriend play sneaky Sasquatch. Looks like I’ll have to start looking at the m3 pro when I go to upgrade. Thanks for the insightful video!

@oh-noe 8 ай бұрын

I have peaked at 900 tabs at once. My average is around 500 tabs open at once

@DennisSchmitz 8 ай бұрын

same here. Preferably with 3-4 windows each lol

@Nesutaadesu 8 ай бұрын

@@DennisSchmitz 😂 only way to do it

@Nesutaadesu 8 ай бұрын

@@oh-noe you’re not a power user, you’re THE power user lol

@benmorr 8 ай бұрын

It's crazy to me that Mac users can see what Apple is doing, see the issue and the scummy practices, and in the same breath say that they'll just spend more on Apple products. Nothing is ever going to change, because the entire reason Apple does this is to get people to spend more money on the products which actually work. Don't know whether to be angry or impressed by it, honestly.

@kwabenaoppong1269 8 ай бұрын

Please do this same test with a similarly priced m2 pro macbook pro 14. Thanks

@cheekyoscar1353 8 ай бұрын

I was going ask exactly the same question ???

@nicholaszfox 8 ай бұрын

Same!

@tedbear1971 8 ай бұрын

Hope that Max Tech will still have giveaways for this M3 Series. Kind of tradition every year

@JTHigh11 6 ай бұрын

Can you do more videos on the base m3 with 16 gb of ram? How well does that machine perform? Not everyone wants to upgrade to the M3 Pro. For someone cross checking that and an AIR with 16 gb and 512 ram.

@danielding8675 8 ай бұрын

For the MacBook, Apple knows that its wealth of ports allows users to circumvent limitations on SSD storage. So, they've limited RAM instead, nudging customers towards higher-tier models. With the iPhone 15 Pro, it's a different story. The device’s prime feature is its portability. Although it comes with a Type-C port, lugging around an external SSD would conflict with the convenience iPhones are known for. So, by limiting the internal SSD storage, Apple is subtly encouraging customers to upgrade to higher-capacity models. Interestingly, both the base iPhone 15 Pro and the M3 MacBook sport 8GB of RAM. But while this might be ample for a smartphone, it leaves much to be desired for a production tool like a MacBook. These decisions seem to suggest that Apple's marketing and sales teams might have a stronger say than their R&D team, leading to such unconventional product choices. It's a fascinating look into the inner workings of one of the world's leading tech giants.

@bravesonly 8 ай бұрын

I also think, that they have removed one port, so you can't swap the motherboard with more RAM in the future. Even if it's not the main reason, it's 100% one of the resons.

@dxps26 8 ай бұрын

This is why i traded in my 15" M2 air with 8gb/512gb for an 'older' 14" MBP with the 10-core 16gb/1tb M1Pro Refurbished for the same price. Apple accidentally made a product that was 'too good' with the M1, and decided to nerf it by limiting the RAM on base models. In the M3 they went a step ahead and nerfed the Memory Bandwidth from the M1pro and M2pro to down from 200gb/s to 150gb/s because again, they need to get people in the door with a base model and have an upgrade path available for folks who'll find that 8gb RAM will be tiresome in 3-4 years time. They could have easily stayed with the M1 for years, thanks to how extraordinary this chip was and still is, and focused on other hardware, like better screens, keyboards, connectivity, ports, materials, and features like Face ID, but i guess the race for chips is heating up with Qualcomm and even Intel getting close. this nerfed 'upgrade' won't be well received. They could have gone for a 12/18/36 gb model but they have only the 18/36 models

@antdx316 8 ай бұрын

The keys and touchpad on the M3 Pro 18GB model is great. $200 off on Black Friday.

@Janjutsu 4 ай бұрын

Great video, I found an M3 MBP 14” on Apple’s refurb section with 24GB of RAM at the same price with one that had 8GB and 1TB storage, definitely snagged the one with 24GB RAM

@krishnansrinivasan830 8 ай бұрын

Nice & Thanks :)

@dubzillaaaa 8 ай бұрын

I immediately reazlied what they were doing with the base M3 and the M3 Pro with the RAM situation after I bought the M3 Pro version.

@nubcake7637 3 ай бұрын

You mean when Apple decreased the bandwidth?

@alankemp3145 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for that comparison, really helpful. I have just purchased the 8Gb version this afternoon and before opening the box, decided to check if there were any new comparison videos and luckily I found your excellent review. I will take the 8Gb version back to the Apple Store and upgrade to the the M3 Pro.

@TheChris91173 8 ай бұрын

You literally could’ve just waited. You clearly know comparison videos were Going to come out

@Mamo878 8 ай бұрын

Um, instead upgrade to a used/refurb M2 Pro.

@alankemp3145 8 ай бұрын

@@Mamo878 Good point. I am just going to get a refund and put the money back in the bank. I'll wait till next year and see what gets released.

@ThePostOffice3 8 ай бұрын

Even mkbhd is still keeping his M1 that's said something

@Mamo878 8 ай бұрын

@@alankemp3145 Yeah, you may want to wait for the OLED Apple products coming out in 2024 if you don't really need a laptop right away.

@burkabu 8 ай бұрын

Nice video!

@kruegdude 8 ай бұрын

It would have been interesting to see the high memory apps from the activity monitor app during these tests.

@maravreloaded 4 ай бұрын

A mid-tier phone has 8gb nowadays

@user-zo2pc5lu5q 8 ай бұрын

The main takeaway from this is don't even bother with the entry level M3

@antdx316 8 ай бұрын

I was going to until the Best Buy rep said to get the 18GB model. The next day the price dropped $150 then the next $200 so I got $200 off the $2k model. Originally I was going to get the $900 M2 Air but the better screen and battery life of the M3 was appealing. Of course, with what I do with the Laptop it doesn't last 22 hours but more like 2 like the Windows Laptops I have. : (

@user-zo2pc5lu5q 8 ай бұрын

@@antdx316 When reviewers showed that the new chip was using more power than the older 5nm tech alarm bells went off, I thought the whole point in reducing die size was to reduce power consumption. So I think they have more work to do on the design of these 3nm chips. I’ll be waiting to see if they fix this power consumption issue with the M4 chip.

@tommytexter4054 8 ай бұрын

for 14 inch pro, should I choose full m3 pro, binned max or full max? I vaguely remember you said before, for m1 or m2 pro, 14 inch with pro is good enough, max will eat in battery life too much? Still true?

@Jin_z 8 ай бұрын

Max can u compare M3 pro base model vs 16" mbp 2019. I know it'll be huge diff, but it's interesting to watch

@Alex-vp4ky 8 ай бұрын

8gb should only be on ipads. You mostly use 1 app at a time with few times needing to switch back and forth. On a computer, the use cases vary drastically and more ram is simply useful. Hoping for 12gb ram next yr at minimum. Wishlist would be 16, but Apple isn’t great at granting wishes here 😅

@jeansienkin 8 ай бұрын

Nope 16GB is a minimum, absolutely no less than that, especially considering the current price of RAM. Apple again was too stingy on that one.

@KelvinKMS 8 ай бұрын

SSD is overpriced on Apple too@@jeansienkin

@progamer1125 8 ай бұрын

12 is the absolute bare minimum for anything but web browsing, 16 is the minimum for a usable computer, 24gb should be the base in a 2k laptop

@jeffersonmp4 8 ай бұрын

12gb is too much of an upgrade by Apple standars for keeping the base price the same. More likely they'll bump up to 10gb next gen like they incresed from 16gb to 18gb the M3 Pro.

@jeansienkin 8 ай бұрын

@@jeffersonmp4 Lol, no, it would be a meaningless/laughable upgrade, 16GB is the absolute bare minimum in 2023, it's not like RAM is expensive at the moment.

@keco185 8 ай бұрын

More memory is the #1 thing you can do to extend the longevity of your computer. Software updates over time become more memory intensive and once all your RAM is being used the computer becomes unusably slow. If you plan on keeping your computer for many years, invest in extra RAM.

@z9245305150 8 ай бұрын

WOW. I'm deciding on a new MacBook... have done a little research but not a ton. Kind of figured 8GB would be good after what I have seen, but man am I glad I saw this video! Thanks man.

@voixdelabime 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for this interesting comparison. Any chance to compare the M3 MacBook Pro 8 GB with a PC having 16 GB of RAM? Apple made a very bold comment on this one recently that could (and should) be tested.

@youknowme...1840 8 ай бұрын

M1 + 16GB RAM is better than M3 + 8GB RAM and cheaper. Apple's bullshit business.

@SevenCuriosities 3 ай бұрын

probably next macbook will come without screen at 1000$ and with screen 1700$, your choice...

@realfakearchitect 8 ай бұрын

CAN YOU PLEASE COMPARE IT TO A 16GB WINDOWS PC?

@craigfuchs5464 8 ай бұрын

I am curious if the 24 gig memory would be better now even though it’s not financially a good option

@craigthompson6466 8 ай бұрын

I'm gonna be interested to find out the difference between 2T (1T isn't enough) M3 16 inch MacBook Pro Max with 48, 64 & 128 ram. Worth spending the extra money to jump from 48 to 64 and if so is there enough of an extra difference between 64 and 128 to make it worthwhile?

@atrampabroad8318 8 ай бұрын

Crazy that a $1600 MacBook "Pro" has just 8GB RAM, almost two years after Apple released an iPad Air, also with 8GB RAM, at $600. That isn't even a "Pro" iPad and is largely marketed at those doing light media consumption and browsing.

@zaquin_1 8 ай бұрын

Wow, when I saw the Keynote, I thought Dynamic Caching would help improve memory distribution across the system, and even with 8GB of RAM they would work better. But from what I noticed, it is disturbing even more, limiting the system when it reaches maximum memory, maybe they wanted a smaller memory swap with the SSD?... I'm not sure, but what we can conclude from all this is that if If you want maximum performance from one of the M3 family chips, getting more memory could be the way to go.

@jeffersonmp4 8 ай бұрын

Dynamic Caching is a scam

@JessiJohnson 5 ай бұрын

How about testing this out while running a second screen? My Macbook Air is almost useless with a second screen

@ahmednofal3865 8 ай бұрын

thanks

@AVClarke 8 ай бұрын

Even if I never saw myself needing that much RAM, I would go ahead and get it anyway, for 'future-proofing' purposes.

@AyaWetts 8 ай бұрын

I am not sure how anyone at Apple signed off on thinking it was a good idea to use 8gb

@sushimamba4281 8 ай бұрын

They probably received a massive bonus for keeping it hamstrung to 8Gb. Shameful I know...

@DJAJ101 8 ай бұрын

Only one person is the CEO over there last time I checked. That's Tim "the bean counter" Cook. Theres no guessing who signs off on final decisions so the only one to blame for the stupidity is Tim. This has been a progressive example of Apple jumping over dollars to get pennies from people pretty much ever since Cook became CEO. Everyone can say Apple would've never done this or that under Steve Jobs but one thing is for sure, they never would've become so obsessed with penny pinching like they have become under Cook. A Pro laptop with the same 8GB of ram that comes standard in the Air is inexcusable! Period!

@YTYTYTY7 8 ай бұрын

obviously planned obsolescence….

@stc2828 7 ай бұрын

imagine when RAM become the biggest bottleneck of your laptop, and you have no way to upgrade after purchase😅

@johanmartinez72 8 ай бұрын

Just a question, should I get the base M3 14 with 16 gigs or M2 pro with 16 gigs ?

@TQ255 8 ай бұрын

You know what i'm really disappointed at? Many reviewers (not sure if Max Tech was one of them) back in 2020 told us 8GB M1 is equal to a 16 GB intel machine (even now apple still claims it), one of the reasons for me to think " ohh well 8 GB is enough". I absolutely regret buying the 8 GB. In my job i have the ability to also use a 16 gb version. , the difference is huge. I can to tell you one piece of advice, invest in ram, take 32 GB because it's a matter of time 16 GB is a awful as 8.

@Fear.of.the.Dark. 8 ай бұрын

16gb will be perfectly fine for years. 8GB is done for.

@yuriblanc8446 8 ай бұрын

For "PRO" 32 is a better bet. Problem is sold at an unreasonable price

@senzation01 8 ай бұрын

Invest in RAM? 😂😂 I can buy a 16 GB stick for $45. Just buy a Windows PC, dont let an anti-consumer big corporation steal your money in these ridiculous ways.

@don.newlon 8 ай бұрын

You guys need to do the base M1 Pro vs base M3 Pro. Many, many users don't update every year.

@Jeannemarre 8 ай бұрын

This is the exact reason Apple showed the M1 numbers vs M3, and you are right this comparison is probably the most needed. I don’t know anyone with M2 wondering if they will upgrade to M3, m1 owners like me however definitely could benefit some tests. I did order m3 max tho

@lavaregion6968 8 ай бұрын

Unless you are an ultra heavy user, why would anyone upgrade their computer every year or two years. You are a moron if you are upgrading your Mac every two years unless you are pushing your old computer to the limit

@glorgau 8 ай бұрын

Yep, for my basic browsing I'm still using a 2015 Macbook pro with 16 GB. It was a good machine for its time.

@muhammadrivan2055 8 ай бұрын

Please compare macbook 14 M1 pro vs Macbook m3.. should i upgrade from m1 pro to base m3😢

@MrZerg0403 8 ай бұрын

Thorough, as usual

@kplau79 8 ай бұрын

Can you throw in a windows based laptop with 16gb ram into the comparison ?

@Striker50_ 8 ай бұрын

I dont think this guy owns any windows products

@johnps1670 8 ай бұрын

Why not Linux?

@kplau79 8 ай бұрын

@@Striker50_ I've seen him done some Mac vs Windows laptops in the past :)

@EXPERTISE 8 ай бұрын

They should bump the minimum ram up to at least 12gb for all their computers. I feel like even that extra 4gb would make a big difference. I'm sure they could do this without raising the price too, as the extra 4gb at the scale they're buying would be such a low cost for them. But they would much rather have people pay extra and upgrade their ram than offer a better base version with a few extra gigs of memory.

@randomdudeontheinternet9926 7 ай бұрын

16gb is the bare minimum nowadays.

@phamhongtuan3644 5 ай бұрын

Hi, Max. I'm considering to buy my first MacBook after four years of working as a software engineer; my daily activities aren't too demanding, so should I go with the m3 16/512 or m1 pro model? 14" In my country, these two versions are priced the same.

@MefsDBoxcia 8 ай бұрын

Will you have another comparison video with another 16 GB laptop at $1600? I would like to know if it will work like they claimed.

@michaeledrian424 8 ай бұрын

I hope the future M4 will get 16gb ram

@kdreamscosmos4279 8 ай бұрын

I am rooting for M10 because of -0.5 nanometer design. Hope at that time 8 gb base model will do.😂 Why don't apple make apps that won't consume much RAM, I mean windows explorer uses 45 mb of Ram meanwhile Finder uses 96 mb on normal use.

@rileyhance318 8 ай бұрын

by the time they move to 16gb everyone else will be on 32gb

@kalpanajagarlamudi8795 8 ай бұрын

It definitely gets more ram, but I don't know if it is 12 gb or 16 gb

@SinghalRishi27 8 ай бұрын

I don’t think so base model will still remain at 8GB for a century atleast

@Jerome-iwnl 8 ай бұрын

Apple is probably gonna give us 10gb to fuck with us

@paulliddement 8 ай бұрын

The M4 will probably come with 16gb ram as standard but it will need it. Before long it will be just as slow. Apple are really loving the ram game now with their chips

@NetworkPIMP 8 ай бұрын

LOL... they said that about the M2's... and they said that about the M3's ... I'm guessing M5 at the earliest...

@Striker50_ 8 ай бұрын

Thatll be basically in 2026. By then windows will be giving 64gb as standard lol

@JustinRios 7 ай бұрын

Would the 11 core cpu 14 core gpu with 18gb of ram M3 pro good enough for 4k editing on Davinci Resolve studio? Or should I upgrade to a higher RAM/CPU/GPU?

@kaka11246 5 ай бұрын

oh~ then have you tested imac 24'' 16gb & macbook 14'' 16gb? I want to see any different on it, becoz i am struggle which one i should buy, thanks ~

@prnva_ 8 ай бұрын

Hope the sales of these machines bring some sense in Apple.

@yuriblanc8446 8 ай бұрын

They target people that doesnt understand this fact. So probably sheeps will ship.

@badabing8884 8 ай бұрын

Should really have put 12GB ram as standard in the base model.

@Striker50_ 8 ай бұрын

Needs to be at least 16 for future proofing. Because then if its 12 it nerfs the MBAs

@the_dude182 8 ай бұрын

12GB just is not enough for any non-budget computer in 2023.

@yuriblanc8446 8 ай бұрын

16 bare minium for a shared memory (cpu/gpu).,

@DJAJ101 8 ай бұрын

Maybe in the Air but come on! This has the name of a "Pro" laptop does it not?? Anything less than 16GB is a slap in the face to any pro buying this computer to do ANYTHING "PRO" on it!

@MW9X12 8 ай бұрын

@@DJAJ101 how bout PLUS MAX would that suit you better lol. if you're a "pro" and you dont research your hardware I dunno what to tell you

@interludetreize 8 ай бұрын

Oh man any chance you will do the same with 16" M3 between 18Go and 36Go ? As a video editor I'm really hesitating ! Currently have a 16" Intel with 16Go.

@matthewjura3377 8 ай бұрын

I ma curious, would you be able to test Unreal Engine scenes when you get M3 Max?

@seancampbell8216 8 ай бұрын

This is just Apple raising the price of their base-level laptop without actually having to raise it. Last time folks figured out that they could use external storage to deal with the laughably small 256GB hard drive, so Apple had to change their strategy to skimping on RAM. Now, you basically have to give them the extra $200 to get a usable professional-level laptop. I'll be sticking with my M1 for a long while.

@Fear.of.the.Dark. 8 ай бұрын

this is also why they gave 8gb ram and 512gb storage with the entry level 14" MBP instead of 16gb ram and 256gb storage. Because you know, people can easily upgrade storage with external drives vs soldered RAM. This is their upsell play to spend more money to get the 16gb RAM :)

@DriverDude100 8 ай бұрын

Confirms what we all suspected: don’t buy a 8 gb machine if you can help it.

@piotr.plecha 8 ай бұрын

Could you please test Logic performance as well?

@shizukananagusame1214 6 ай бұрын

My old iMac was insufferable with 8GB of RAM. Thank you so much for creating this real world video comparision between the performance between 8GB vs.16 GB RAM. I was able to make an informed purchase for my new iMac M3. Thank you for helping us to not cut corners before they become regrettable decisions that have to be live with.

@pedroyvolucas6543 8 ай бұрын

compare the 16gb m3 to the base model m3 pro, so we can see if the 200 dollars more is really worth it good video

@DennisSchmitz 8 ай бұрын

I agree, would be interesting, especially since the 16GB M3 performs so well.

@ElectroMac74 8 ай бұрын

don't forget that in 2-3 years the 8GB will be extremely hard ro resell

@ahaimes6320 8 ай бұрын

M1 MB Airs hold extraordinary value on eBay, even with 8GB! Not sure why you say that. Outside the YT bubble, over 60% buy and use 8GB models, so you have higher demand.

@murtiuso 8 ай бұрын

Wonderful

@alb.1911 8 ай бұрын

It's absolutely embarrassing how Apple still selling Macs with only 8GB of RAM. Unacceptable and shameful.

@kaptajndisko9515 8 ай бұрын

Very good investigation with very bad results. I'm now convinced that 16gb is minimum. Luckily I got 16gb ram for my baseline M1pro 16" back in 2021.

@scottb.8523 8 ай бұрын

Did something get cross-threaded, did I miss a section of the video, or are you getting absolutely spambombed by this “OpenAI TKP44X” crap??

@jaspinderbabbu959 8 ай бұрын

For editing and colour grading 10 bit 422 log 4K of 2 hours and some minutes of 8K footage. Which macbook should I buy

@peterbreis5407 8 ай бұрын

Constantly swapping over 5gb to the non-replaceable internal SSD, How long before you kiss your Macbook Pro goodbye?

@mike_junmin 8 ай бұрын

Apple fanboy here, I thought 8GB was just about good enough with M1 MacBook Air, though for many people, good enough just wasn't good enough. But with M3, it's clear it's not good enough full stop. I am amazed though, how well the M3 performs with 16GB ram

@Fear.of.the.Dark. 8 ай бұрын

did you use 16gb with M1 or M2? Because if you did you would notice improvements there as well.

@razorgarf 8 ай бұрын

8GB is not enough for productivity so it's ludicrous for a computer supposed to be a Pro, it's only good enough for doing simple things and I guess many people does just that with the Air model.

@parjau4554 8 ай бұрын

I have a M1 Air 8GB. For the M1s, the 8GB can do every single task as well as the 16GB, just falls down when having multiple tasks. I still regret not getting the 16GB though, as the M1 Air is a classic and a keeper and I would wish it to remain exceptional for as long as possible.

@DJAJ101 8 ай бұрын

@@razorgarf Exactly! I mean it's getting hard to defend the Air with 8GB anymore but then Apple pulls this outta their a$$! A laptop with the "Pro" name for a productive professional should start minimum 16GB no excuses! Apple has clearly lost it's way under Tim "the bean counter" Cook!

@ruslanshalintsev4793 8 ай бұрын

@@parjau4554so as my smartphone, that can handla all the tasks, that has 8 gb RAM, has 256 SSD, AND 512gb of sd card.. But it costs 100 bucks)

@seankeisman522 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. People should wait to upgrade until Apple makes 12GB the base.

@edphillips77 8 ай бұрын

Way to go man! I'm so thankful for tech assessments like this calling out Apple for what they are doing. This might be finally where Apple is going to get hit with reality as sales crater even further. Their greed around releasing hardware with garbage 8gb RAM is going to cost them dearly (atleast I hope). This is definitely RAM-gate!

@TDangerPtrow 8 ай бұрын

I wish they had done 16GB RAM & 256GB for the base model instead of

@ahaimes6320 8 ай бұрын

Apple does the maths and knows what makes them the most profit and 8GB/512GB will probably will provide greater margins.

@user-wf2id3lh4i 8 ай бұрын

Great video. Would love to see a comparison between the base 14" M3 Macbook Pro and last year's 13" M2 Macbook Pro.

@apeel2008 8 ай бұрын

Any chance you would be able yo do a similar test comparing 16GB vs 24GB RAM option?

@apeel2008 8 ай бұрын

@@5GRobo Problem is I am interested in the iMac model, which currently only offs M3, not M2 or M3 Pro machines.

@delwoathauda9679 8 ай бұрын

Hey Max, in your previous videos, for example in the M2 Macbook Air 13inch, we never saw any issues when it comes to the 8GB RAM capping down the performance of the M2 chip. Seems like in M3 that happens, the 8GB RAM caps the performance of the M3 chip. Why doesnt it happen to the M2 chip but happens in the M3 chip ? Can you brief on that please ???

@MatzWerk 8 ай бұрын

TF are you talking about? look at your swap files, are there a lot it is slowed down that's it. There is no magic behind it.