Magnus is like a kid with ADHD in class He got bored at the subject

I stander and Koda reference. Nice.

God it’s so fucking true is every way possible

Isyander and Koda love it

omg i finally got it xD

"Also here's this cool warp device I made" *Proceeds to smash it* "Just don't. Bye"

"love ya Bro!....not really!"

Dark...

One of the very few occasions when Peter Turbo wasn't a dick.

Literally one of the most wholesome moments in 40k

What book is this from?

Where's that from?

Pretty sure that's from Perty's primarch novel

That would have been good lore, lol

"Depth perception, pal. Look into it."

That kinda reminds me of Kairos Fateweaver

He's willingly blind. He pretends to do what he's told, ignores warnings, does whatever he wants, and cryes after. "Maybe this entity is the warp danger." "Maybe I should stand for my magic, instead of doing it at everyone's back, or not do it at all" "Maybe trying to save the day, specifically with magic will create more confusion" I'm pretty sure the eye is a reference to Osiris ignoring Set, willingly blind until Set betray him; and Horus Eye is the sacrifice needed to push Set back; but you need to be willing to see all, not just the things that pushes your way.

Gold star comment

There's a bunch of other stuff going on during and before the burning of Prospero but even for the burning it's kind of magnus's fault. While reading the books magnus did have this idea that his punishment should extend to his sons as well, but instead of saying anything about it, he hid the arrival the Space Wolves and Custodes until they just showed up. Blame does fall on Erebus and Lorgar yet again, but also Horus for misleading Russ and if I'm remembering correctly the warp was interfering in Russ's comms because he was trying to get Magnus to surrender and come with him peacefully (I think for once it wasn't alpha legion messing with comms). Also Amon Ra being their version of Typhon and placing the remembrancer spy among the Space Wolves.

@@pheonixheart1125 Wasn't the remembrancer spy placed with the Wolves due to Changeling shenanigans?

Remember everything is always lorgars fault

Another moment of Peter Turbo being right and ignored.

@@RougeMephilesClone Nah. If Perturabo hadn't broken the machine, Magnus would never have had to resort to using wacky sorcery rituals involving mass sacrifice/burning out shitloads of mortal psykers. Plus he could have built in a ton of psychic power sinks to make it totally safe to use. Then again, Perturabo didn't understand Warp shenanigans, so he probably built it wrong in the first place.

Best part about that rune priest was that Ahriman had shown him the truth and such before feeding his soul to daemons, making him dead dead.

That common thread when they have make certain Primarchs stupid/hypocrites to make them fall. Horus couldn't trust a psycher over Erebus, I guess

thank you for this.

That definitely fits

*Kore ga… Back-breaker da.* - Leman Russ, M31, the Burning of Prospero

He talks to the wind....

I mean the warp kinda is starless, and he definitely has a black bible

The Magnus/Perturabo bromance in Master of Prospero is epic.

I just picture it was his terrible attempt at humor since he himself is bald

Another vulkan W the man would have made the same choice but remained loyal to the emperor

"Not even for 1." Raises hammer.

Big E, just give the sons]] retirement! Heck, give em penitent crusade like the Khan did until the legion dies out. Why are you like this, you overgrown golden caveman??

@@sparkraido but you see while he would have made the same choice, he did not have to. that scene was more of Vulcan admitting that he understood magnus, that given the same option he would have done the same. it was him saying "i understand your actions and will not condemn you for them, but we are enemies so we must fight"

@bradhoefler8650 man vulkan is loyal to the bone poor magnus was faced with a choice he couldn't make the emperor just told him Choose death of death mf knew he would not stand his own sons in the back to take his place back next to big e

Except for the time he killed his son to prevent a warning of the wolves approach, the time he killed his son for killing Alivia sureka, the many, many times he almost killed Ahriman...

Mortarion disagrees. Wasn't that the whole reason he sold out to Nurgle after Typhus fucked his legion over? I mean, he was probably never going to be loyal to begin with, but the Death Guard likely would've been *Traitors* but not *Heretics* if Typhus didn't exist.

Or due to his own arrogance tbf

@@isengarde9490 yeah, Mortarion fell bc he couldn’t bear to see his Legion suffer any more. Its why he’s my favourite; his story is all about him being absolutely awful but still having more love for his sons than either of the fathers he knew

@@Swarbie8D That's why I love the Roboutian Heresy fan continuity. He's Loyal, and that's the only thing that changed about him.

It’s okay, Russ has another! Unlike Magnus’ back after that back shot.

Oof.

I've never come across that quote before, where's it from?

This quote I'd too deep for a high, sleep deprived college student at 6 am.

i mean that works because everything is cannon but not everything is true. this goes double for ancient lore from Rouge Trader

3d printer go brrrrr

Yes. This.

this has become SO true!

I fully believe Trazyn has a 10.0 graded Alpha Black Lotus locked in a stasis field

Oooohh I really like that!

There is a weird symmetry between Magus's missing his right eye and Kairos. Kairos's right head can see all possible futures, and after after sacrificing his right eye Magus begins to lack forethought about the worst of his decisions, only caring about what helps most in that moment.

plus its got all that Odin symbolism too!

@@aguspuig6615 yeah but kinda in reverse. Odin sacrifices his eye for wisdom and knowledge where as Magnus unknowingly sacrificed his wisdom by sacrificing his eye.

Aye, it's meant to be a twisted mockery of it. Odin, Tarhunt, Horus, the Graeae, all lack at least one eye and became more wise/clever as a result. But for Magnus, it was merely an opening for Chaos. Once he agreed to that small act, he became more susceptible to every other temptation Tzeentch dangled his way.

Truly Ahriman's enemy. I would know, my cat mr.Ahriman is terrified of the thing

You joke, but I can see this being the case with a Necron black hole superweapon.

Smiles in psychic bug power. Geee I wonder where all of that psychic energy went.Oh, what is this wonderful platter of incredibly intelligent psychic energy?That's now been given to my bugs for a buffet. Oh well time to have lunch. That's right.We eat your lunch and drink your milk shake

How does it even work now? Is it just unit abilities now?

@@samhescott348 Unit abilities with the psychic attacks just being weapons.

​@@smugron1101for some reason that reminded me of a rule change regarding abilities in AoS, but I can't remember what it is right now

@@smugron1101 so you can’t use both now? I thought originally you could do psychic and shooting now you can’t?

And in his defense tseench himself was working to ensure that Magnus falls from grace. Can we really blame Magnus for being tricked when the god of tricks tricked him?

I mean I'd say yes IF Magnus knew that was who he was dealing with. If only *SOMEONE* explained it to him before hand

Not everything but yeah he did more wrong than he did right that's for sure.

The road to Chaos is often paved with good intentions

Not against the Space Wolves that was kind of based.

Oh, oh you're right. Crap.

Malcador actually sold that so hard. makes me believe that was also part of tzeentch's plan

Don't forget the part where Magnus takes a moment to melt the company of Space Wolves that tried to skirt around the duel to get at the last of his sons.

​​@@gama343 Magnus the mans need 2 extra arms and extra eyes to just be casting spells. Also no wonder russ broke his back, he was carrying the k-sons with his abilities alone.

TBF the first 10 minutes or so was talking about the recent news regarding the Custodes Codex (I think I might still buy it cos I just got into the hobby, and I don't have any Codices at the moment)

based

You know what, fair. Free the Custiddies.

Real discrimination right here.

@@dionysus913 not something I thought I would read today.

Why do people always forget that?!

​@@Forestxavier20because he got snapped like a kit-kat bar around 20 seconds after...

I'm going to make a joke about Lehman.Having three hearts but I feel as though it wouldn't miss a beat

Who cares? Russ has multiple hearts but Magnus only has one spine lol

If I had half my hearts ripped out I'd also move to end the fight as quickly as possible.

Damn dude, I wish you luck and wish for peace.

Hope all goes well mate stay safe and have a good week

*Gives hug* Have faith, brotherrrr. The Emperor protects.

I hope everything stays safe for you, friend.

Looks like (for the time being) things have cooled off. Stay safe!

It would also be a good time to talk a bit about the Knights Errant

People like to blame the Emperor for everything, but in reality the Primarchs all had their own critical flaws. Magnus' was his ego. For the Emperor to put the time i to each Primarchs (all adults by the way) that people say he should have, he would need way more time then is realistically possible.

@@williamings773I think while Big E was correct in his assumption that the webway must be completed to save humanity, he screwed up in trying way too hard to speed run it. He had enough time that he could have at least stopped half of the traitors from turning on him. I will concede it’s not entirely his fault. I’ll be the first to say big e is not the #1 reason that the heresy happened, but definitely he’s in the top 3.

@@williamings773 He could literally talk to Magnus with his psychic powers before they even found the planet Magnus was on. He could literally talk to Magnus any time he wanted. ANY TIME. He had all the time in the world.

If any of the traitors aside from Magnus were to remain loyal it would probably be Morty or Pertie. Konrad was on the edge of insanity, Horus was fully corrupted by the 4, fulgrim had the laer blade(why didn't Big E notice it?) And we still don't know if Alpharius Omegon were loyal or traitor in their entirety.

Meh

Magnus has his own sewing club.

He was. BL writers daddy issues cant change the og canon.

What Bricky in his politically disingenuous "wisdom" is that half-Eldar were literally only in Rogue Trader (AKA first edition, back when the lore wasn't finalised and things like the Sinsei were still a thing and Space Marines weren't transhumans and just the foreign legion in power armour), so they haven't really been canon since 2nd edition. Hopefully this clears things up.

Can confirm. Saucy spice boy is best boy.

Indeed I am

"The corpse emperor!? My father!?"

YES. Specifically throwing it at him from above.

And don’t forget he was being hard nerfed by all of the sisters of silence and the space wolfs having anti psyker powers like leman’s howl.

​@@drakeyork241 yeah Magnus is basically the superman of the primarchs. He would blatantly win 19v1 if the story isn't able to nerf him to balance the fight

@@teejay1646 he is a stronger psyker than Malcador, the man who was so strong he made threats to the primarchs such as “I will unmake you” with said threats being treated VERY seriously by the primarch whom was at the time being Vader force choked. Or the time Malcador was being choked out by Mortarian and was still calm enough to question himself as to exactly how much force would be needed to escape from Mortarian’s grasp without being so extreme that Mortarian would hate him further and try to kill him due to his distain for psykers. We can also guess how strong Malcador is based on the fact that his personal throne is decorated with two skulls. One skull being marked II while the other being marked XI. The Roman numerals for 2 and 11, the same numbers as the “missing” legions. Need I explain further. If magnus is stronger than that, and not by an insignificant margin, (Malcador having had his soul extinguished from a few hours on the throne while magnus was designed to be able to power it indefinitely.) Then he could most certainly bully any of the other primarchs any day of the week, save a tag team of both dorn and leman (both of whom have warp supressing abilities.)with a few hundred to a few thousand sister of silence spectators or POSSIBLY mortarion if he didn’t actively suppress all of his psyker abilities as well as a large chunk of his physical abilities due to the passive warp based physical enhancement all primarchs enjoy that Mortarian actively tries to cut off. But yeah, if it was all 20 other primarchs(yes, I’m including omegon as his own separate primarch) vs Magnus, I’d bet on Magnus.

More things to note: - It wasn't just the wolf but Custods and Sisters of silence + a Titan legion.

Wait, did he actually punch a heart out? I thought that was solely a TTS bit?

but they didn t wan t to do that, they wanted to have them always been there, because it make more sense.

@@ysbrann3059 cant tell if you being sarcastic or not, but to me it would make more sense if Guiliman was like "okay mr kawl you did great making the primaris boys how bout you make a few Custom gals for us"

@@calvinheslop2585 The emperor recruited the 10 000 from the children of the terran noble to prevent a insurrection from them by turning their children into loyal soldier. It would make no sense to left half of them alone because of their gender and let them free to plot shit ot claim back their right

The Norn "not-a-tyrant" units, the queens stick in space unless on Dominatrix. And 100%. Hell you could give a excuse of the banana boys pulling a uno reverse and raiding the clowns for old tech notes from the Emperor. Or bloody damn let the Blood Ravens steal some of the squat tech as despite the chaos corruption the actual gene mod vats/cyber vats work safely. You can even add the old Archeotech squad that was hunting for remnants of the blackstone fortresses and the one named Man of Iron into the plot that ends up being saved by Custodians sent out to reinforce+a Silence gal with the ending of the plot being that one of the girls is willing to sacrifice herself to test the tech as part of a attack to let the BR librarian actually use his warp powers for the twist reveal or something.

Are norn queens still canon? They are completely sentient/sapient tyranids right?

I personally did react with less emotion/vitriol to the news of war in Iran than the new lore new, yes.

​@@Nobleheart111 Npc shit

"... 82nd All The Way!"

That would require effort. Much easier to pander and then gaslight everyone complaining about pandering as sexist. Remember, everyone complains about pride flags and black squares on twitter profile pic as performative activism, but they wouldn't do something so cheap if it didn't work on SOMEONE.

@@FullMetalElricI would actually disagree slightly. Having more diversity and creativity in models is a good thing in my book. Even if it is pandering and is probably just GW trying to get points, the result is something that is at the very least neutral. It’s not like they’re forcing people to you to make your custodes all female.

​@@dionysus913adding more sisters of silence models is diversity especially since gw has ignored them for the most part. Custodes get way too much attention

The Custodese are becoming the Ultramarines to us Sisters of Silence fans.

​@@FullMetalElricSoS are so niche they are basically none existant. Female custodeans and her new short story is so fucking cool I do not care if you consider it pandering. IF they deign to give new lore to other factions other than SM we can get really cool characters! ADB had been wanting to write abkut female custodeans for a while now. He is a good author. We can get custodeans version of ahsoka (the way fans grow to love her) for female Custodeans.

Absolute barn burner!

It’s more about the response, like i got issues with some of those but none of them, except the primaris, got such a response. And the primaris got it because they just exist to make people unable to use old minis and buy new ones so that’s fair.

Yes please.

There is 2 reasons; first is custodeans actually start get real lore around 2018 with few non specific snippets in HH books and when they became a playable army. Second is according to ADB he had been planning to write female custodeans in HH books but the first made models had no female in them and GW being GW too lazy and greedy to print new models refused him. GW strikes again -_- because I personally REALLY love this development.

Ya its completely arbitrary and political. Needlessly polarizing and divisive. It won't sell more models. It won't bring more people into the hobby. It feels like an arbitrary change for investment money from hedge funds.

​@@berilsevvalbekret772Why do you like this development?

@@jameskennedy7906Nope...not divisive. Its just weeding out the worst of the fandom and which is great. Good riddance.

@@rishisaaptacha Ask Rooster Teeth or Volition how well that attitude worked for them.

He will fail like the primarc he likes so much

DK does nothing wrong.

Quote" red sun, red sun over paradise"

Spolier: He got it!

You know he will 😂

They just cut off their dickstodes, instantly makes you female didn’t you know?

@@akimbofresh8109 who the fuck starts a conversation like that I just sat down

I'm pretty sure this retcon will flop... It really doesn't fit.

They're not going to try to rationalize it. They stated they've always been there so there's nothing to explain.

Well, they did it for the first 10 minutes.

I agree, while he is fairly benevolent, he definitely had a massive ego that was easily bruised.

That’s the thing, he’s got the same personality as the emperor basically but found himself in a different, more vulnerable condition. Magnus’ arrogance and unwillingness to give his sons information they needed, well I wonder who else did that.

If by "revealed how far he and his Legion had gone" you mean got betrayed by a Space Wolf who then pretended that the Space Wolves' psykers don't do exactly the same thing because they can't be bothered to train when there's mjod around, then yes. Magnus's actual argument was just the Allegory of the Cave, while Mortarion was the only one who actually made good points against psychic nonsense because he knew about daemon summoning.

@@StygianSkunk i think that's one of the fun things about Magnus. On the surface he's one of the nicer Primarchs.... you look a bit deeper, though, and he's doing it all for pretty selfish reasons. The motivation is always for more knowledge, more power. To show off just how strong his magic is or to be the smartest guy in the room. Nothing he ever did was really altruistic. Which is also a great example of what Tzeentch really is as well. He's always there, in the backround, plucking strings and giving his these subtle little pushes.... and lets the hubris do the heavy lifting. You can be doing all the right things, but if it's for the wrong reasons, you're just as damned.

No the pro-psyker was LOOSING and their loosing was set in stone when the changeling attack a guard? If I remember correctly. Magnus was both arrogant and naive. But it wasn't soley his fault.

>trying to explain in current year how old lore white Dragon Warriors adapted to being black while following Black Vulkan but upon the exposure of their gene seed to the same planet and "fathers" mutation in turn activated to also become Black yet there are regular Salamanders that in certain environments become White/slightly beige grey as part of the mutation and whole fire fuel and prometheum theme (or per codex, from Ashen to Charcoal)

Am I the only one who isn't seeing people be rabidly against it? Like, the best I've seen from people who like it are just calling everyone else neckbeards/chuds, while the people against it give an essay of explanation and research. The people against it are very obviously the more civil side.

@@addison_v_ertisement1678 Nah, I'm seeing much the same as you, mate. I think it's because the people that are for it are so loud about the other side being nasty that unless you actually decide to spend time reading to opposing side's arguments and/or understand that the pro-change faction doesn't really care about the franchise and lore but about ideology, there's a high chance you'll just go along with the belief that the opponents of the change _are_ [insert insulting buzzword here].