The gripen literally hard counters this plane

Su27 can’t beat any of those in a dogfight, it relies on its missiles. Also the F-15 was buffed, the F-14 was kept the same and the Gripen received a minor nerf.

@@Boris_The_Turtle The best missile at Top Tier is more important than dogfighting. If you hold high altitude with good missle , you can easily attack the enemy from behind. Su 27 fastest jet in game because of Gaijin nerfing other planes, you can rich 1500+ kmh at sea level. This game only % 15 reality, % 85 false.

Su-27 was nerfed, its different from dev server, just grind it and feel the stock flying brick

you forgot su-27 nerfed, nerfed, nerfed, nerfed after the major update but alright

Gaijin nerfed Gripen cause they cant coup knowing that Gripen currently is the best turn fighter

@@HunterZTheLunaticGaijin *corrected* the Gripen FM because it was rating at like full 5 deg/s higher than it was supposed to be.

Also it has a functional RWR(Su has RWR from 10th century BC that shows literally nothing, and also can’t detect any signal from Mirages, and can’t detect launch from gripen) that actually doesn’t mean much in ARB, but in SB it gives a great advantage

@@user-jy6cn3jy8g Soviet-era RWRs were a lot less sophisticated compared to Western designs of the same timeframe. Sucks but at least the UI gaijin gave you is significantly more intuitive than the actual layout in the cockpit

@@buschacha the actual Su’s RWR as well as early MiG-29s shows you approximate direction with 15 deg/step like snails UI does but also shows approximate distance(signal strength) and higher or lower the main threat is(btw also shows you what is the main threat and what are secondaries, I mean not the actual aircraft but the signal)

Who cares? Stock loadouts stop mattering after a few hours. I'd rather start with R60Ms instead of being stuck with two completely separate missile groups for R-73s

2 9L still better than 2 FUCKING R60M, That piece of shit come in stock on mi MiG29

@@AZ-dj1ni that sounds painful tbf, though one of the f-16’s does get stock J’s

You do realise that the su27s never used the r60 so I don't see how that's bias that's just giving it what it used.

@@yaksparrow2493 And South Africa never had Lima’s, Mikes or Skyflash, your point being?

Well there’s also a good half of the player base that disagrees with you. An average of six kills per game, Where I win and almost every situation. The literal only thing that I don’t constantly went in is the dogfight, but if you’re smart enough to not try to dog fight a griffin, and use your energy to run or climb, then you win. The F14 can’t really dogfight, but it was still the meta. I also don’t intend to be rude to you, but it’s definitely completely subjective,

You forgot its archaic RWR limiting situational awareness.

@@GideonBowlesProductions Well good half of the playerbase ( which is something you made up since you can't quantify it ) can disagree with me all day long , fact is they don't disagree with me they disagree with the reality backed by Gaijins data . As stated by Gaijin in the recent Q&A Grippen is performing above and beyond everything else which proves even more that BVR doesn't define meta in the current landscape .

How did u do that fast, m at 6.3 props and still I only get 2 k rp per match

@@Parthocsideprobably mig 23ml with premium in game

​@@Parthocsideuse the mig23ml with premium time

You probably will be disappointed btw, that’s definitely not a top dog by any means, the only thing it does “well” is BVR, at least in the game, idk how good or bad it was irl

@@user-jy6cn3jy8g He shouldn't be disappointed, but it's not the meta jet. It's #3 or #4 depending on how you count. In the current on the deck 16v16 chaotic furball situation, the AIM-9M and the AAM-3 are SIGNIFICANTLY more potent weapons to have than the R-27ER since the overwhelming majority of players exclusively fly low where radar missiles can't hit their targets. The Flanker is still scary. It can quickly punish anyone who mistakenly climbs too high, and the R-73 can still jump people from awkward angles or be near unflareable at gun range. But at the end of the day it's better to have a flight model more suited for on the deck furball chaos and a big stockpile of AIM-9Metas to vibe check the whole enemy team with.

Yeah they nerfed the fuck outta it, just like the mig 29, stall maneuvers are starting to be undoable, stall maneuvers that were made a lot in shows that were recorded

who tested it? did the two guys switch planes too or was one guy only flying the su and the other the mirage 3. the mirage 3 engine is utter dogshit, it cant hold it self up in the air once it starts turning. comes down to pilotskill in a 1vs1 w/o aams and the su pilot is the worse pilot in that case

@@vince3573 we even switched planes, and su 27 is only for one turn and then su 27 dont have any energy to turn

@@paulocarvalho1351 it is just one turn and then no energy plane, for dogfightes its bad very bad, and another thing, worst rate of climb of all top tier(12.3)

As someone who mains France and plays the mirage 3C/E quite often, hell no. Su-27 wins through sheer engine power.

soviet cold war tanks have to fight nato tanks 10 years newer, and your forgetting that the f-16c is from the 2000's

@@lightningstrike5024mig29smt is from the 2000’s, and was added in tandem with F-16C

@@Iden_in_the_Rain yeah? I never said it wasn’t

by the time we get those we'll also have su-35s are maybe 33s

@@lightningstrike5024 the su33 could be added right now because it is just a naval variant of the su27 we currently have. It wouldn’t be any different aside from the canards.

@@jaredkruger9750 the canards do help with manoeuvring though

F18 is inferior to su27, mug 29, and f16 It will not be running on anything lol

Ummm where are you getting this info from lmao, the aim120a only has a range of a little over 40 miles, the aim120a has a little more than that since it can loft, the first aim120 to reach that 62 (100km) miles would be the aim120C-7, the r27er is still faster and would outrange the amraam

I just looked it up the Aim-120A Early MAX range is 30 miles thats if your at 35,000 feet but in Warthunder is what you didnt take into account no one can fly at 35,000 Feet without getting shot down so the avg Ft which missiles are shot in warthunder is 10,000 Feet thats AVG and the range is 20 to 25 miles and at 25,000 feet it is 25 to 30 miles 33 miles if your lucky but at that range all you have to do is do a 180 and fly the other directions and it will lose all its energy same for if you do a 90 degree turn and pop chaff and go mach 1.2 it will lose energy you never have played DCS a Game that is FAR MORE realistic than what warthunder can EVER BE @@brodykloster2102

@@factsforlife0O0 lmao yea, let’s launch a fox 3 on tws and the enemy will instantly do a 180, sounds like you don’t even play dcs 😅, and plus they’ll add the aim120a and the b model since the b model is the rb99, and is the same as the a but with a new guidance system allowing it to loft, so the 120b range will be a little more than the a

@@factsforlife0O0 but the aim120a has a range of 40 miles, obv at altitudes and at certain speeds so let’s say ur at 20k feet, and flying at Mach 1.2, ur missile is still going to be in range at 25-28 miles, it won’t have as much range as the r27er and even the sparrow, but it’s a fox 3 missile, having the enemy not knowing a very dangerous missile is going towards them since it’s launched on tws, going pitbull at 7-9 miles, it’s a very scary missile and the aim120 has so much energy retention that even if you turn away cold it still has a high chance of hitting that’s if it’s launched at a closer range, the sparrow has a longer burn time but has bad energy renention which is why the “no escape zone” is so low, vs the aim120 has less range but also has a higher “no escape zone” or the MAR which would be the Missile Abort Range, you would also know that from dcs, and the amraam also accelerates faster than the sparrow but has less of a burn time, so in a close joist the amraam will wing and in bvr the amraam will also win because the seeker head of the sparrow limits it

I have 4000 hours in DCS you can easily beat the missile you look for the contrail you use your eyes only jet that has TWS is the F16C currently well Able to carry a Aim-120 Point im making Current Meta in Warthunder is 100% on the russian/Chinese side Nato cant really do anything in game @@brodykloster2102

Then it will get r77

​@@blaynegreco6654and i already knew they would make them stronger than AIM-120B i already know it

@@fqeagles21I’m sure the country which can’t make new working tanks and fields cardboard plates in their plate carriers can totally make a working radar guided missile

@@blaynegreco6654the current su27 we have in game can’t carry the r77, they might add the f15c with aim 120a/b and then buff the flanker flight model to how it actually should be

Fox3 have already been added to the game

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Sweden for sure. Gripen is amazing + C variant at Brits is a bit heavier

Do France air as they ll get the rafale soon and it ll be the best in game

Go for Israel or Sweden or France France is a big one because they got good tanks and ok Jets or Germany because They have really good tanks the LEO 2a7 2a6 2a5 2a6 PSO Good lineup then I think they got a Fire and forget ATGM on a helicopter they got good SPAA and they got a OK jet but they will get the Eurofighter

Britain/Germany/Italy for Eurofighter Sweden/Britain/(probably)Italy for Gripen (Italy if gets hungarian subtree) France for Rafale (can also be in Britain as indian one) Israel for american planes with pythons 4/5 Overall, Britain looks the most perspective with gripen, ef 2000 and maybe even rafale in the future.

I mean, so I would agree with you the F-16 and griffin are really good and good in most ways I fly the SU 27 and I don’t even think I’ve been killed by an aim9m once, Hell, I don’t even pop multiple flares. I press it once and the missile misses, and yeah, I think the biggest problem they have is number one they don’t care about the actual stats of a vehicle, the F-16 needed to be better because of the historical Ness of it, and because it kind of sucked but nobody asked them to change it the way that they did, and then, with the MIG 29, they added an overpowered missile and then decided decided to fuck the plane, nobody asked, the US mains didn’t even ask, actually what we wanted was a new missile, Guy has a huge problem of not listening to people changing stuff that nobody wanted. Also, yeah you do have to admit though the SU 27 would be the most overpowered vehicle in the game if they made it fly Better and again funny enough we would be perfectly fine with it. Flying good if the US and other countries got actual good missiles like a data link.

And with full real control without damping it does cobra even if you didn’t touch the stick but at the same time with dumping it can’t turn at all so in sim it’s even harder to play than even 29SMT which is “The Bus” of all buses but at least have a functional RWR and great radar

@@GideonBowlesProductionsI’d prefer to not have any r-27s but instead to have “flyable” FM because in the current meta all SARHMs suck and all you have to have are reliable IR missiles, a lot of CMs and good FM, Su has only one thing of 3 but at the same time r-73s are more useful than r-60s only inside 1km range otherwise one flare with cutting afterburner off is enough to flare it Upd: and that all only for clear rear aspect shots otherwise that type of IRCCM works only inside 0.4-0.5km range and if the target didn’t preflare it which means that your opponent is simply kinda dumb

What is bro yapping about, quit coping

@@user-jy6cn3jy8g oh yea, sim is hard with the su27, you have two choices, cobra, bleed all your speed or basically don’t turn it all.

This man plays air RB. Maybe 2-3 players on a team intentionally climb.

Gaijin can't into flight models, especially of russian planes. Or they do it wrong intentionally, for some reason

Aim120A and B wouldn’t really make that much of a difference against R27Er/ea. the aim120C-5/7 would make a nice difference

that would suck, as a british player i dont want copy paste

@@TheRealHIPER we literally just got a copy paste Gripen, and besides the Eurofighter (which is way too powerful to come any time soon) the only p,and thenUK can get is the Tornado which is already here. We now have the Gripen from South Africa, and in the future we could get a Canadian or Australian Hornet, and maybe even an Australian SuperHornet or an Indian Su-30MKI alongside the very powerful Typhoon.

I prefer J-7E with talisman

If you take a little looksie into the cockpit you can see things for air to ground, like ripple quanitity, etc. Plus the F-15A did have GBU-8 (didnt believe it myself at first) but yes, it gets it. Also the flanker does get air to ground? Its just unguided, boohoo

@@lucinator8582 *insert video of helicopters slinging rockets in Ukraine* BuT ItS A LeGiTiMaTe tAcTiC

Except it isn’t really a plane meta at the moment, it’s a team meta. Also, good luck getting to altitude with an aim54 approaching your location. Btw the aim54c is under performing at low altitudes.

Yeah, firstly I absolutely hate that. There are markers and air realistic, I don’t know why they are still here. It’s so stupid. Especially now that it’s broken because you’ll be looking around. You won’t see any name tags and next thing you know 1 mile away a name tag pops up and you’re like what the fuck and then you die. And yeah, I’ve played in 27 and let me tell you I don’t think I’ve had that heart of time since I used to fly the F104. Also, I don’t use the pop-up RWR use the one in the cockpit and I don’t know if the SU 27 just doesn’t have one, or I can’t find it so I’ve had to switch to using the RWR popped up and it basically doesn’t even really help. The performance is nice though I have a tendency of bleeding all of my speed extremely fast, and the missiles are nice but literally just hits the deck as soon as I r27er and then I lose lock and can’t find them again. I prefer the F-16 and f15.

Yeah, with its current RWR it’s literally blind, idk if snails will correct it, but it should show you approximate distance(signal strength) and higher or lower the main threat is

@@GideonBowlesProductionsSpo-15 isnt modeled in cockpit (very sad). It would be cool to see tho

Su 33 is the naval version of su-27s

@@spinningsquare1325It has canards, Su 27 does not. All of them are Flankers, meaning versions of Su 27s in one way or another. The only Flankers with Canards are Su 30 and 33.

@@abshekprasad unfortunately you dont know the truth. Feel free to check it online. Su-30 is developed based on su-27UB (trainer 2 seater su-27). Su-33 is developed from su-27 and it was originally designated su-27k. It has mostly the same avionics with some minor changes here and there, like a refueling probe, increased structural strength, two more hardpoints, refueling mode in the FBW and some more. Su-33 is based on su-27 its a known fact. There are su-30 variants without canards and the original su-27ub did not have them. You cant just say "canards". What matters is history and equipment. I said "Su 33 is the naval version of su-27s" and I meant the plane, su-27s. the variant with the letter S, the original flanker

i am mostly waiting on any carrier based flanker, because knards and carrier takeoff, and multirole with guided stuff. plus depending on the variant 3d thrust vectoring will be insane and super fun to run

​@@doogralyks87su-33 doesn't have guided a2g. The modernisation does but that stuff is too classified maybe

Inclusive, esse avião pode carregar 8 R77s, o mesmo tanto que o f-15C carrega de amraams, seria uma ótima forma de introduzir mísseis de radar ativo...

That will never happen Gaijin has already said this they said they did that to balance the Game when Radar missiles first got added

@@factsforlife0O0 They also said that we'd never have smoke grenades, supersonic jets, or guided air to air missiles and yet here we are.

When fox 3s are added it’ll change the meta massively, I mean a radar missile should hit low flying targets on the ground, I bet once they add it the fox 3 missiles will have a buff and all radar missiles will have a buff to hit low flying targets, I mean they’re adding very modern missiles now and it would really suck if you won’t be able to use them since so many people fly low

​@@brodykloster2102When Fox3 are added? Aim54 is not a Fox3 anymore?

@@AZ-dj1ni when modern fox 3s are added you know what I mean

I’d probably quit if they added that now

Not really, you can beat F-14s in BVR if you play it right, certainly with the R-27ER. And it will get R-77s along with everyone else's Fox-3s.

@@MajinOthinusI’m excited for su25t to get r77

@@MajinOthinus F-14s are a different thing. Their missiles are slow and by the time their missiles makes its way over to the target, its energy can be easily bled, while to separate R-27s could have been fired at them by then. And this Su-27 is not getting the R-77 my friend, it was incapable. There was a slightly later air superiority variant of the Su-27 that was meant to carry that missile. Gonna need a new variant if you want those missiles. Unless gaijn F’s it up and says screw it, russian bias, enjoy in-historical bias missiles haha.

@@r.p5380 gonna have to reiterate this, just making sure you’re aware, this current ingame variant of the flanker is incapable of carrying the R-77. We need a later variant for that.

Mig25 would have 2x r40, 4x r60m. Mig25 would be able to lock from 150km and launch immediately, with 100km range missiles. The radar is basically immune to chaff and notch, due to having such strong signals. And it can pull about 9g, so it will be a decent plane, but a one trick pony

literally nothing is inaccurate with the flanker and everyone wanted the eagle to be added with it so i think your the one coping mate

@@lightningstrike5024 with that statement, you definitely have the tism. Your opening line is cope 😂 hope Santa brought you a helmet.

@@DozerIsTaken ok if you think im wrong name 1 thing wrong with it

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