Haven't you seen this video of Bjørns? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f7ioh8WW3rTGlqc.html

@@danedane6613 No I had not seen that one. All worth watching. Great videos.😍

You do know the footage is sped up right...? If your comment was sarcasm, then never mind 🤭

Can i ask how come you decided on mazda?

@@silviu7568 Looks and the way it drives. Interior build as well. To be it seems like the best car in the price range. If I want to step up to a car with a bigger battery which I don't need I am looking at over 200 euro more a month.

Indeed more range is just going to make the car more expensive. Do you really need it? Also note that Bjorn is testing in winter conditions. At least my experience with the MX is that 200 km is reachable. Just be careful with your right foot and keep your coat on. And if you really must make a longer trip just take lunch at a fast charging location.

The motor could definitely be the issue, because if you're going over the efficiency range it's gonna get thirsty really fast.

Exactly, all its nice comfort features sets it up for long trips, but then you look at its battery and charging capabilities. I think Bjørn is a bit too kind to it. The car is almost deceiving to those folks only just getting into EV mobility.

You do know you can charger the car and keep going right ? The crappy range means your trip will be longer not shorter !

This is only good for city and who will by an EV in 3-4 years that can only do city in a good way 😅

@@TheDanishSpaceman For a city car it should at least have a 3 phase 11 kW charger.

@@wermagst True, only 6.6kW AC charging is also a let down.

@@TheDanishSpaceman In Germany 4,6 kW is the most you will get from public chargers. There is a 20A limit on the current difference between the phases, so max. 230 V x 20A = 4,6 kW.

@@AnonYmous-rw6un 6.6 kW only if you live in a country that allows unbalanced load or does not have a 3 phase grid. In Germany the current difference between phases is limited at 20A, so the maximum you can get are 4.6 kW. Faster AC charging is also important for those who cannot charge at home, which would be most people who actually live in a city. And since this is supposed to be a city car...

no

Looks good as well, Kona gets a facelift to look better(smoother) on the front now.

@@kasmopaya2676 Just the model in the Bjorn test , Kona is not here.

@@zoe50ccs Yea, my point was, that the Kona looks more like the good-looking Zoe now. The little thing i didn't like with the Kona front is now gone.

ZS EV for the win.

Classic Ioniq has air cooled battery and can charge at 60-70 kW all the way to 77 %.

Chameleon Renault Zoe has a very different, patented charging solution. Instead of having a separate charger in the car, the power from the power plug is fed right into the electric motor windings and uses the car's regular inverter to align the power and charge the batteries. When motor brakes with an electric car, the electric motor functions as a generator and the inverter converts the generated alternating current back into direct current that charges the batteries. When the Renault Zoe is charged, it is as if the car would constantly brake, as if it were going down an eternal downhill. The electric motor is of course locked with a heavy bolt during charging - otherwise the alternating current that is fed into it would cause the car to roll away. The advantage of this technology is that no separate charger is needed in the car and it saves costs. Especially since it is an extra expensive three-phase charger that is replaced. The downside, however, is that a separate charger can be more efficient.

Maybe. But e-Golf is discountinued. And Zoe costs about the same as the other cars.

Irrelevant to charge for 50 min. Most sessions should be 20-30 min only.

True.... then it’s different again

No, pointless.

*40 kWh

Nope

I could be wrong but i relembre when you have done the 1000 kms with zoe it was pretty cold and with e208 a little bit higher on temperature. But if i am wrong i am wrong

@@bjornnyland zoe 1000 kms challenge kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kMp-nqp0nZ-lqIU.html 3 degrees Celsius at the beginning of the journey and -2 at night....

Peugeot 1000 kms challenge you have done it in june. Come on dude

Dude, it has nothing to do with temperature. These cars had warm enough battery. Come on.

REX makes no sense in 2020

@@wermagstWhy is that? A genuine question from a non ev owner.

@@johnmackay7789 You get the bad from both worlds. An EV with an annoyingly short range and slow charging speed and a combustion engine, that requires lots of costly maintenance. We're not in 2010 any more, where EV ranges barely exceeded 100km, you can easily get a pure EV with 400 km range for the same price as the MX-30. BMW stopped producing the i3 REX simply because there was no demand, people preferred to have a pure EV with a larger barttery.

@@wermagst understand now. Very good points made there. The more ev videos I watch the more I'm understanding. Thanks

Same as e-208.

@@bjornnyland I mean efficiency, banana box

By free I mean available.

I remind everyone in every charging video that charging to 90 % is not something most people do. It's way faster and cheaper to charge to about 70-80 % and leave. So the 90 % race is almost irrelevant.

@@bjornnyland Yeah, that is true for per minute charging, which is currently the norm, and when chargers are densely placed, as they are in Norway. When the chargers are far apart the situation changes. Extremely interesting video in any case. Keep on keeping on.

Hey, at least it's not going to degrade because of high C rating, right? ;)

True

Check at 1:30 and 2:30. e-208 charges almost twice as fast as Zoe.

@@bjornnyland i saw that. I am only saying that at the same time (60 minuts) They charge almost the same amount of kwhs....

43 for zoe in 61 minuts and 39 for peugeot in 53... where is the peugeot advantage? In the begining of charging, but peugeot has a big drop and zoe has a Constant charging rate

@@JorgePinho At the same time that the e208 hit close to 40kWh the Zoe was at 36.5kWh - so no, not the same.

@@mondotv4216 my Numbers are wrong? At one hour charging both charged almost the same amont of kwhs.... am i lying?

Lease it ;)

@@02semiata Absolutely, only way to go with a car like this I think - if you can make a good leasing deal

@@TheDanishSpaceman The deal I was given was 294 a month with 6k down leaps and bounds better then anything else EV on the market.

You think they may have started to design their cars to last 50 years (to avoid degradation) or something or maybe the battery is just too small and not a good choice? ;-)

you must love the design and buy that just because of it. Yeah some features nice, ok, but as a whole package it's appalling almost how they lied it is pure EV and well, pure fossil version coming soon, such a surprise surprise from japan...

I wasn't bashing it. But everyone knows that charging at 45 kW in 2020 is not very fast. Take a look at 1000 km challenge. e-208 did it in only 12h30m whereas Zoe did it in 14h35min. Even if Zoe had better weather, it would still need about 14 hours. That's 1.5 hours slower than e-208!

@@bjornnyland Possibly but it does not drop like a stone like the others. As for your Zoe run,well I think you need to try that run again with another Zoe. In the UK, I did Derby to Barrhead in winter (approx 480 km) in my old Zoe Q90 and it took me 6.5 hours with two charging stops of less than 45 minutes each. I now have a ZE50 and I can pull 7 kWh more in 45 minutes than I could in the Q90 so I reckon I could save a whole charging stop over 1000km.

I'd say, it depends. If there are a lot of 100kW+ DC charging stations out there, you will get further with an e-208 in the same amount of time (by never charging past 50-60-70%). That's also obvious from the above curves. Since we can expect more of those DC chargers in the next few years in the EU - that will make more of a difference in the future. However, if there are fewer charging stations out there, in my opinion the Zoe has an edge not talked about quite enough: 22kW AC charging. Pretty useful on day to day basis, maybe not for those longer trips - but for shorter city trips and in case you're the only one charging there - since those AC chargers are so much more common (e.g. here, in Belgium).

In most charging videos, I keep pointing out that charging to 90 % is too slow and expensive (in many countries). The best deal to to charge to about 70-80 % and charge more often. At 1:29, e-208 has added 18 kWh wheras Zoe has added only 10 kWh. That's a huge difference. At 2:30, e-209 has added 27 kWh wheras Zoe has added only 17.5 kWh. e-208 has 66 % and is good to go. Fast charging most cars past 80 % is very slow and should be avoided. So comparing charging times to 90 % is almost irrelevant.

I'll need to watch your ZE50 1000 km again... I think you were not driving in style that was advantageous to ZOE. The Zoe is more suited to longer trips between charges, albeit they are slower. I regularly drive from Lancaster Park & Ride home to Barrhead (after charging to 90%) in one go...that's 270 km (168 miles) and arrive with a 15% left.