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Thank you for sharing. PLEASE to all gay men.... do not entertain these men! If their life is a lie, imagine the lies he would tell you. Scary men who lie are sociopaths !!

DL is a perfect way to express thier secret hatred of women even to the point of infecting and killing their girlfriend - in my medical career I have seen it many times.... so very tragic. Some of the most horrible memories of my professional life is recalling telling women who thought they were in a monogomous that they were hiv positive and the sobs when wondering if there children were infected as well. I am a gay man .... not sure I would ever tolerate keeping someones secret knowing that innocent totally innocent partners and children are being put at risk. I hope you continue to have conflict over wanting to be part of the muderous insanity we as gay men can find ourselves in .

This world is fucked up.

I’m sorry you had to experience that; I’ve had a few similar experiences in my 20s. I was out at 20 and boy did I have a lot of closeted men hound me One was a 50 year old married police detective who kept stopping me to have sex. Your right to feel disgusted by his disrespectful behavior to you, his kids and wife. Pushing alcohol on you was his way of trying to wear you down and take advantage. Good for you for walking away.

I’m pretty sure my soon to be cheating ex is on the dl and not even bisexual but completely gay and wants a woman as a beard like his father. 🥺 Way too many signs.

Thank you being cool, mature, and respectful concerning this topic. The wives who suspect and all the problems it causes, it's just horrible. Men on the DL gross me out. as it brings home disease to partners, and severe pain, divorce, and worse. J/S.

The wife knows her husband likes men. Theres no doubt about it. Also, the American concept of marriage is not necessarily universal. Certian cultures are not encumbered by the romantic notion of love as we are in the US. Marriage is about obtaining resources and stong unions that will produce future generations to futher their lineage. Women will tolerate a man who has certian issues as long as hes a good provider and offers stability where it matters most. Alot of European and middle eastern men have a saying that goes " men are for pleasure and women are for children" Do alittle reasearch and you'll be suprised.

I try my best to survive in a world where everything is a... mirror for me. A big, enormous mirror. I have lived with BDD and OCD for most of the last decade and I don't know how to handle this anymore. I really don't feel like I could and it sucks. Everything is so difficult, like if being gay wasn't hard enough in a world where they would treat you differently. I am tired. I think I need a bf to share my love. him to hold my hands when things aren't okay.

Keep standing on principle.👍

This was very interesting and we are often right when we feel certain energy transmissions etc etc

I just found out my soon to be Ex is on the Down Low...I have family members who have Alternative Lifestyles but they are straight forward with it .. He on the other hand stole 3 years of my Life away from my brother who passed months ago and my Grand Babies... He put me at risk for disease and Destroyed My World!!! No One has the Right to do that and hide behind a Woman...He has done it to 5 Women and Children and a Disabled Woman now that the truth has come out ... Karma is Alive and Well and I Pray he gets his!!!!!! I literally would have been friends with him and been a Confidant had he not hurt me and roped me in to his Cowardice Lifestyle like the man You just described...

I would have known immediately upon the handshake

Oh Keven oh thank you! I"m old but learning so much I'm not crazy!!!

I have had similar yet different experience but I was quite politely rude, if that makes any sense, and had to shut it down asap I found so disrespectful towards his family it made me sick. I have to admit that your view on how the men on the downlow behave is also spot on, especially if they have grown up/raised within a family who is not accepting or perhaps with a religion background so strong that this man can never live their own lifes. I think the reasons can be endless. But generally they are more gentle and romantic. I have also find it very difficult how many guys want a romantic guy who makes them feel wanted and special and does not play games, however when they have it, they want the bad boys again. I have known so many like this, funnily enough, very similar to my girl friends aswell.

Yeah, being DL is very selfish.

It is sociopathic, I had a friend who was between borderline and sociopath, I realize he was attracted to me, and he would say other ppl would like you cause the way u look the way you smile ( cause I'm a muscular dude ) he would put on a grandiose show in front his male friends, and as soon as we were all alone, he would ask me if I think he has alot of women, ( is like he was trying to tell me dnt believe everything im saying in front of these guys ) he would even said to me, ppl ask him if he is gay, so when I ask him if he swung both ways he went in a rage. And he was angry at me for asking him that, and started putting me on blast. The worst part is, open up to him because I saw he was afraid but that was the biggest mistake of my life. In the end I had to block and delete him cause he try to broke my confidence.

It's more common than we think. I can speak from experience as a former out gay man and now as a closeted individual. I've met men online who were looking for that sexual release because they weren't satisfied with their wives. Their excuse was "Emotionally I'm straight but sexually I'm gay", I had no respect for them then and none now. It's obvious that they put on this facade so they can excel socially and professionally (think country club house and C-suite level position). Even now that I'm closeted, I still think it's very selfish of them to use and mislead those women. I personally wouldn't date a woman just so I can have a beard, there are other ways you can convince others that you're straight (speaking from experience). I also don't think it's fair for closeted men to be romantically involved with gay men who are out. You're right, it is like dragging you back in the closet and that's just not fair. By the way, not sure why you popped up in my recommended list but glad I stumbled across your content. Subscribed!

It's very common in Europe. Am sick of it here

Oh. My. God. Except for the multiple languages spoken, you just described my former husband. The handshake did it. I'm not crazy but I was a beard. There should be some triple damages for Intentional or at least Negligent Infliction of Emotional Distress and the resulting PTSD. Screws the courts. Make it your book! That's what I'm doing

Wow! Just discovered your Channel, really enjoyed hearing about your interesting experience, so I decided to subscribe.

Everyone can be judgmental. I pity these men, imagine the fear some of them have. I know that none of us had those fears before we came out. Oh that’s right?! Most of us did! So, don’t… one thing for certain they are going hurt a lot of people and no we shouldn’t trust their intentions. It fun to sneak, until you get caught. Thank you for sharing

Kev you are so adorable!☺️

First time sub It’s disgusting how someone would do that disrespect their families ....you are not to blame ...he should come clean to his family and stop making a nuisance of who he is

We KNOW. It's just difficult to come to terms with it. It makes us feel like less than women. Not good enough, etc..But we KNOW, and it's the cruelest thing ever to do to someone.

You have a genuinely sweet personality

My best friend in HS was this guy on the down-low. He lived his life there. I couldn't take his hypocrisy and he died suddenly of a heart attack at 50. Still pains me. Well told story here.

They may be treating you with the same type of courtesy that they are accustomed to treating women with.

Close up shop to them! Leave them grrls alone. If you can't see a future then why bother with all the drama.

There is so much left for this topic to be discussed. Some would describe me as the straightest gay man - even though I'm a total 👑 - but it's easier for all men and 'DL' to build a connection with me because I can play both sides of the spectrum. First intentions matter; if you aren't trying to hook up then their guards come down. I see my role in friendships to men as a lesbro, but if I wanted to initiate something it would happen.

It might not be as easy as others to come out to the world you just have to let them come out when they are ready pressing a person to come out can cause them to do something like commit self harm to themselves so let them decide and I'm going off of what I saw in some commits.

Bisexuals have those kind of stereotypes . Such a Duality 😞

Down low is Phsycology aspect that is not just experienced in the gay world, there are some people that are or have legitimate fears, and that needs to be understood, to help them come out , before they cause any kind of damage to others and themselves... but there are others who again are attracted and even excited by the secret, it happens amongst heterosexual couples too,who have external hetero relationships, being able to quantify how much of what is involved can be difficult , though the secret aspect is the first thing that rings alarm bells , then there’s the sexual aspect , that is also complex issue , some claim heterosexuality, but have sex with men, no love just sex... I don’t know that this kind are closet homosexual , because they don’t fall in love with men, but just the raw even abusive role play sex, that doesn’t mean dressing up but can too... this has been going on since genesis, and in my opinion has its roots in the genetic manipulation of the homosapiens , having produced wrong mates for Adam , until they (Elohim)presented him with eve , and I’m not saying that there’s anything wrong with true homosexuality,...though it still remained a normal way of life even in the anient times, that men choose the woman for some aspects of there life s fulfilment..., and men for others! And fulfilled there lives that wAy , since time immemorial , and still happening today, it’s part of the “patriarchal”hipocrissy... homosexual men have been abused by the so called hetero community for eons, there’s a big problem with the male Phsycology, in my opinion as a whole, and this has damaged everyone , and all types of sexuality...

DL ppl are wasting so much time on themselves and others. Not everyone wants to get blind drunk and have intercourse with you. i knew a bisexual man. who treated me poorly why? Bc he didn't have himself figured out. We stopped talking in 2019. Im sure he still doesn't have it figured out. Hopefully he took it as a lesson learned. Should he ever return to my life and giving me an apology. Ill accept it but have to turn away. there was too much damage done by him. By leaving me out and only hanging out with me. Basically keeping me a secret from fam and friends. Bc he didn't have himself figured out. When we met!

Thank you! Im curious. I need your gaydar expertise. Is Dominic Rains gay? He is an actor. Check out his Instagram and youtube interviews. His favorite Movie is Moonlight. There are pictures of him and another woman getting married but its from a photographers webpage. Plus i thought that woman is gay also. Let me know what you think. Ty

what do you think about Russian gays?

Man, I don't care---I'm not going to be fake for nobody--I'm not going to live my life for other people---If a person can't accept me for me, then you don't deserve to be in my life. I'm not about to date a woman to try to cover up my sexuality! So many women told me to switch my sexuality and I'm like for what??? Why are women telling me to change my sexuality

1.) maybe the wife is ok with it/they have an understanding. 2.) Maybe his wife was on the downlow as well.

1) This think is far more prevalent in Europe. 2) "Sraight people ALL know how prevalent it is among men, which is why the women are so intimidating and accusatory about i- and why "straight" men are so OUTWARDLY aggressive (defensive) about it.

I wish I could find me a beard... Im done having kids and things and as long as I'm safe I'm cool.. safe meaning no body is gonna put hands on me I'm cool

gay or european but unironically lmao

This is such a shame because romance between a man and a woman is sooo beautiful. I feel like that will eventually disappear.

OMG! Did he call you "marica" or "mariquita"? Were they Spaniards?

I wish this would happen to me. 😘😘😘

Are u shocked and offended easily lol :)? Does it make a difference what they do it’s their life just let them be right?

He didn't necessarily need to be living a lie, he probably considers himself a straight man and wants to live that way, but just curious about men.

Please dude can you advise me cool site to meet othet gay top mans. I am DL bottom gay. I only recon and collarspace. But its not cool sites

Perez Hilton. why are you whispering ?🙄

You mean gay.

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I would of thought you were gay until you made the speech, because of the way you look. No offense ...its just gay guys just has that look.

Yah sick

You gotta be a low self esteemed wife to put up with a gay man. Wow. Smh. Women can go so low just to keep a man in their home.

seems like you were attracted to a straight man and dont like the fact that hes with a woman. Admit it, you wanted to date him !

Sadly, there are many DL men in the world but this is just overthinking and over-reading a situation with drunk man. Also, a couple in their mid thirties aren't old but those kids should have been home in bed. Drunk people give long hugs and act in exaggerated ways. It's all in your head. Americans don't get european subtitles or gestures.

You perceived all this .....as you put it....and your too drunk to Fist-Punt yourself....???? MAKES NO SENSE !!!!