The Sons of Fëanor - Families of Middle-earth
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4 жыл бұрынThe Seven sons of Fëanor were instrumental characters throughout the events of Tolkien’s Silmarillion. From swearing a terrible oath, to opposing Morgoth, to seeing their oath fulfilled, they were some of the most versatile heroes, anti heroes and antagonists in Tolkien’s Middle-earth. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts about the sons of Fëanor in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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@morrigandanae 4 жыл бұрын
"The family that slays together, stays together." -Incorrect Tolkien Quotes
@leonievw2466 4 жыл бұрын
This deserves all the likes 🤣
@morrigandanae 4 жыл бұрын
@@leonievw2466 hehe
@jamesdouglas971 4 жыл бұрын
And that’s on drag race quotes
@troygrindley3793 4 жыл бұрын
Where there’s and oath, there’s a slay
@smileyplants6736 3 жыл бұрын
Yes...yes
@annethym2219 4 жыл бұрын
Poor Maglor 😭😭 He raised Elros&Elrond and that was probably the happiest time in his life.
@MzShaybutta 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@nobelmassinaarben2467 2 жыл бұрын
"Elrond?"
@alanrodriguez6444 2 жыл бұрын
@@nobelmassinaarben2467 Yes, Elrond
@donpula6349 2 жыл бұрын
@@alanrodriguez6444 True he had a twin 1 will be an Elf & while the other will be an Human but will become the ancestor of the Edain a.k.a the Numenoreans - After them the survivors - The exile Numenoreans that they became the people of both Arnor & Gondor. Aragorn was Eros descendant...
@TheChosen2030 2 жыл бұрын
@@donpula6349 aragorn was not a direct descended though
@just_cade 3 жыл бұрын
Maedhros is one of my favorite of the Noldor, definitely my favorite of the house of Fëanor. He is the only one who truly regretted the oath. He was the only one to give a second thought to the rest of the Noldor before they left them to cross the Helcaraxe. After his father's death, he reconciled with them, and he rightfully gave the kingship back to Fingolfin. He genuinely was a good person who was forced to do awful things because of his father and siblings. Ultimately, his death is one of the saddest to me, because he deserved better.
@doasido5757 2 жыл бұрын
He deserved what he got
@nateperkins9860 2 жыл бұрын
@@doasido5757 For what?
@anarion211983 2 жыл бұрын
@@doasido5757 So the honor of fulfilling their oath, reclaiming Silmaril and placing it out of reach of all until the end of the world. Yay!
@samleroy2964 Жыл бұрын
А Маглор? Он тоже хороший
@Daudlegur Жыл бұрын
The very fact he denounced his right to be a king for Noldor after years of fighting and being tortured speaks A LOOOT how demolished he was by that time. And after all that, the dark oath still drove him further down into the abyss.
@jakealter5504 4 жыл бұрын
Maedhros and Maglor both took in elrond and elros. Maedhros and Maglor were definitely the best of their family and met pretty sad ends
@MkZuO12345 4 жыл бұрын
Whenever someone tries to tell Tolkien elves are cookie-cutter stereotypical goodie-two-shoes show them this video.
@jonasaho6722 3 жыл бұрын
Same can be said about The Hobbit. Elvenking is more then just one dimensional guy. Elrond also has his own faults and weaknesses. Eärendil for example is someone better left unspoken about in Rivendell.
@FromAgonyToLight 3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention Eol the Dark Elf and the evil Elven spies of Morgoth.
@adrianciobanu5856 3 жыл бұрын
@@FromAgonyToLight maeglin was bad not his father , bicose of love, hi loved Celebrian doter of Turgon
@FromAgonyToLight 3 жыл бұрын
@@adrianciobanu5856 Celebrian was Eldrond’s wife. Maeglin liked his cousin, Idril. Eol tried to kill Maeglin with a dart, and then cursed him with his dying screams.
@squiglemcsquigle8414 3 жыл бұрын
Okay but tolkien invented how we see elves today. So that point in itself shows they dont know shit about tolkiens work
@ThePowerFrank 4 жыл бұрын
But dad said we should: The Book
@racoonlittle1679 4 жыл бұрын
What happens when the sons accompany their dad to buy some milk...
@etinarcadiaego7424 4 жыл бұрын
@@racoonlittle1679 Feanor: "What, this milk is past it's expiration date!? I swear an oath of vengeance on the local Wal-Mart! I shall not rest until the bastards pay with blood!" Son: "We're with you, Pops!"
@Charolette21 4 жыл бұрын
Morgoth: As an act of goodwill, I'll even give you one of the Silmarils. How does that sound? Mythros: I don't trust it, we're sending our army out instead. *Morgoth comes out with an army as well.* Mythros: See, I told you guys!
@paulmayson3129 4 жыл бұрын
Maedhros, also known as Nelyafinwë, Maitimo and Russandol.
@Charolette21 4 жыл бұрын
@@paulmayson3129 Apologies for the misspelling.
@Morgoth1889 3 жыл бұрын
What do you expect from me
@paulmayson3129 3 жыл бұрын
@@Morgoth1889 Nothing, that is expected of you. But I would like to ask, how on Arda did you muster the army for the attempt of the conquest of Beleriand from Elwe Singolo, but also to begin the defence against the Noldor, while visiting the Men in the East and corrupting them. Also, tell me, what happened with your lieutenant Fankil, did ne return to you after his victory in the Battle of Palisor, or did he remain there as a governor of your Dominion there?
@Morgoth1889 3 жыл бұрын
Paul Mayson I was able to raise a army great enough to do this because orcs breed like rabbits and grow up like cockroaches and my Lieutenant came back to me as he was needed elsewhere
@Manicle101 4 жыл бұрын
Even though they aren't the best of people, I really like the sons of Feanor, especially Maedhros and Maglor. I've always loved the tragic quality of their story, very Shakespearian (even if Tolkien didn't care much for Shakespeare)
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the grey characters appear far more real then those who are entirely light or dark... which is why Boromir is one of the most interesting characters in LotR
@jakealter5504 4 жыл бұрын
Maedhros and Maglor were definitely the best of their family, they honestly wanted to do some good and truly regretted their oath
@jonasaho6722 3 жыл бұрын
"To evil end shall all things turn that they begin well;" Maeshros was likely one person whos actions were affected by this words of the Doom most. Mutch good did he do also and much more he tried to do.
@jdoc3118 3 жыл бұрын
Well Tolkien loved myths and sagas and Shakespeare is all about greek tragedies = greek sagas/myths. Both were inspired by the same source.
@feanor1488 3 жыл бұрын
Really? I thought that my House was the most hated. Oh well.
@HoundofOdin 4 жыл бұрын
As someone whose angry words and hasty decisions have gotten into trouble, I sympathize with the sons of Feanor.
@markuhler2664 4 жыл бұрын
@Aung Un'Rama I don't see pity as sympathy. And like OP, I've let my pride & my own 'oaths' get in the wY of doing what was right. I am happy you've avoided that.
@HoundofOdin 4 жыл бұрын
@Aung Un'Rama Angry words, hasty deeds, and more will than sense can ruin anyone. The sons of Feanor are villains to be sure, but _tragic_ villains.
@HoundofOdin 4 жыл бұрын
@Aung Un'Rama You're entitled to your opinion. I just believe that Tolkien intended the Sons of Feanor to be tragic villains rather than simple dastards out to do evil. They made a terrible oath in anger and haste, and so doomed themselves and all they loved. It is a deeply tragic tale.
@Dino23968 4 жыл бұрын
I got a question about Elves and Men. Do any of them pray to Eru or any of the Valar(or both)?
@captaincruise8796 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dino23968 Interesting question. The elves "pray" to Elbereth (Varda) in a few instances in LotR I believe but in a different sense than we usually think of as praying. Men are mentioned to refer to the Valar as "gods" somewhere in the Silmarillion or so but no direct references to prayer that I can think of. Also the Numenoreans began worship of Melkor after they defeated Sauron and made the mistake of bringing him to their island and listening to him. I believe there are references in the Akallabeth to a temple where sacrifices were burned to him. Before this, if they worshipped, it is likely they would have worshipped Eru, not the Valar. I haven't read the Akkalabeth in too long. Worth a read if you have a copy!
@orrointhewise3913 4 жыл бұрын
"And in all lands love is now mingled with grief" Oh man, this family 🤦🏻♂️ I always wonder what good they could've done together in the world had they not been so obsessed with those gems and made that dam oath. Guess every great tale needs a classic greek tragedy, and boy did these guys tragedies lol
@RichardLeslieWhereat 4 жыл бұрын
Or if those thieving bastards, Beren, Elwe, Dior, and Elwing had returned the gems that in no way belonged to them.
@Yujifanik 4 жыл бұрын
@@RichardLeslieWhereat And what of Yavanna??? Who brought the light of The Two Trees into the World at the beginning, whose light she sought to gift to *ALL* that lived in the World, and not to but a single house!?!?
@RichardLeslieWhereat 4 жыл бұрын
What about her? She and Nienna made the trees, but not the Silmarils. Their creation was destroyed, and they chose not to fight the one who did that. They let the destroyer of their work go on to torture the Moriquendi. If she wanted to stake a claim on the Silmarils, she could have, when Feanor wore them to festivals, or when Morgoth destroyed the trees, and carried them away to Beleriand. She chose not to. They did not create the Silmarils. It was Feanaro who put his heart and soul into the gems, not them.
@markuhler2664 4 жыл бұрын
It's not that every great tale has a great tragedy, but that LoTR reflects reality, & Tolkien's beliefs, that man (& elf) sin, and by breaking with God, tragedy follows.
@valkeery1216 4 жыл бұрын
@@RichardLeslieWhereat she might not have created the silmaril but she did give them the light of the trees and holled them and not Feanor
@xtremeranger30 4 жыл бұрын
"Maedhros therefore, being in anguish without hope, begged Fingon to shoot him with his bow; and Fingon strung an arrow, and bent his bow. And seeing no better hope he cried to Manwe, saying: 'O King to whom birds are dear, speed now this feathered shaft, and recall some pity for the Noldor in their need!'....Now, even as Fingon bent his bow, there flew down from the high airs Thorondor, King of Eagles, mightiest of all birds that have ever been, whose outstretched wings spanned thirty fathoms; and staying Fingon's hand he took him up, and bore him to the face of the rock where Maethros hung.” Despite what Maedhros had done following his father, Fingon still cared greatly for his cousin saving Maedhros from Angband.
@elijahfrancisrabor1388 4 жыл бұрын
This is noteworthy but underrated feat as not only Ulmo among the Valar cared for the Ñoldor even after the first kinslaying and subsequent exile but Manwe as well
@sammathnaur-themouthofsaur654 3 жыл бұрын
Fingon and Fingolfin are such a great characters!
@user-rs7xf5tm9s 3 жыл бұрын
Conclusion: If you wanna survive the silmarillion, don't be enemies with the sons of Fëanor. Or friend with Turin Turambar
@jakealter5504 2 жыл бұрын
You could be friends with maedhros and maglor, they truly regretted the oath but were powerless to stop it
@concept5631 Жыл бұрын
If you wanna survive the Silmarillion, just stay in the east or south.
@papapalpatine5308 3 жыл бұрын
I really love how Maedhros and Maglor has a soft side for Elrond and Elros. My fave part of the silmarillion was when Maglor met the Peredhil twins for the first time.
@lilgrublet 4 жыл бұрын
What I have always thought was interesting is how the fates of the Silmarils into air, fire and water was later echoed in the Elven Rings: Narya of fire; Nenya of water; and Vilya of air :-)
@annethym2219 4 жыл бұрын
The House of Finwë was so big to begin with and all what was left at the end were Elrond and Galadriel.
@Nikita-vz5wj 3 жыл бұрын
aragorn and arwen also count(i think)
@suchiuomizu 3 жыл бұрын
Maglor is still out there somewhere.
@suchiuomizu 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nikita-vz5wj Also, if you are going to count Arwen and Aragorn, then Elladan and Elrohir (Arwen's brothers) should be counted too.
@concept5631 Жыл бұрын
@@suchiuomizu He might as well be dead given the trauma he went through.
@c.antoniojohnson7114 4 ай бұрын
Finarfin is still in Valinor.
@scottcameron174 3 жыл бұрын
Maedhros was my favourite of the brothers and I think he was the only one that was truly aware of the fault of the oath he swore. He also was the only one to show any remorse for the atrocities that were committed.
@darthmorgoththesecond9990 4 жыл бұрын
They are the most famous family in middle earth in that time
@jalaaldous3511 4 жыл бұрын
Finwe's extended family in general
@XiuFeanaro6 3 жыл бұрын
@Aung Un'Rama but, they were still famous for a lot of great things they did un Aman.
@JJTN2K 3 жыл бұрын
The silmarilion had the most violent and long family vacations
@CoconutRani 4 жыл бұрын
I kind always have a soft spot of Maedhros as a follow leftie...
@penelopegreene 4 жыл бұрын
Brings new meaning to the words, "Let it go..."
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the haunting melody now... 🤮
@InTecknicolour 3 жыл бұрын
The Silmarils? Finding them, is not the hard part. It's letting go
@penelopegreene 3 жыл бұрын
And what's funny, is explaining to non-fans exactly WHAT makes The Silmarils enticing, since they give no power over people like The One Ring... =P
@InTecknicolour 3 жыл бұрын
@@penelopegreene they are only enticing to the Sons of Feanor because their oath binds them to recover the Silmarils at any and all costs. it's their curse
@ladyalaina42 2 жыл бұрын
Elves are ambidextrous.
@toffeecrunch632 4 жыл бұрын
Just have to say, being on this channel helps me better visualize and understand Tolkien's works particularly The Silmarillion. Thanks for the effort.
@sammathnaur-themouthofsaur654 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, this channel is excellent! I take a lot of inspiration from it.
@chizoioioi 3 жыл бұрын
These guys are the reason I find rereading the Silmaril so difficult
@celestejohnston6613 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, Yoystan! thanks! I agree that Celegorm was simply a villain, but I think Maglor and to a lesser extent Maedhros found themselves swept up in a situation that neither would have chosen for themselves, but through the bonds of brotherhood it lead them to their doom. The story of the seven sons is enthralling, harrowing at times and in the end just very sad.
@jakealter5504 2 жыл бұрын
Maedhros and Maglor tried to do good but were chained to the oath
@MegaJacko4 4 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the sons and Finarfin. Of all the royal elven houses theirs was by far the most tragic. They were the first of princes to die at the hands of Morgoth. And lets not forget that the first ever tragic love story between elves and mortals started with them! A male elf and a mortal woman. That has to be worth a mension.
@cainsy8124 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely, I've been reading Tolkien's works since a middle school teacher read The Hobbit to me and my classmates nearly fifty years ago. I have to say your analysis, interpretation and delivery are wonderful. You have certainly have reinvigorated my love of the subject as well. Thanks, mate!
@sammathnaur-themouthofsaur654 3 жыл бұрын
I too read Tolkien since I as 13 years old! I love this type of channel so much that I decided to create my own. We need MORE Tolkien!!
@glennross85 4 жыл бұрын
And I thought my family had issues.
@sammathnaur-themouthofsaur654 3 жыл бұрын
I am still not sure what is the most complicated one if this or the jackson.
@happywheeler4268 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a Maglor epic character history one day.
@shadowofchaos8932 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder what would've happened if Feanor survived the first age into the second. The silmarls would be gone and the oath complete, would he create something else?
@davidradecky5399 4 жыл бұрын
He would assist in the making of the rings of power or actually make them in the same form as he did with the silmarls. Or perhaps vow to find those lost jewels using the rings of power to seek them out.
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
Technically, Feanor died BEFORE the first Age... it was still in the years of the tree (there was still no sun) when he died
@shadowofchaos8932 4 жыл бұрын
@@michelmorio8026 you are correct, thank you. After the trees but before the moon and sun.
@captaincruise8796 4 жыл бұрын
Possible he could have turned into the next dark lord precluding Sauron, but with the Silmarils accounted for he probably has no particular malice toward anyone not named Melkor and would keep to himself, just another wizard fiddling with things in his tower. Would make a good place for Bilbo to investigate in the Hobbit.
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
Captain Cruise I don‘t think he would have turned dark! The Elves, especially the Noldor of the first age are pretty flawed in general and in some way more „human“ then in later Ages... but Feanor and his sons ALWAYS fought Morgoth and his foul and evil creatures! And out of the 3 kinslayings and Celegorm and Curufins behavior towards Beren & Luthien, you cannot say they did. other „evil“ or malice deeds 🤷🏻♂️ And their anger/fury/holy wrath towards Melkor is pretty understandable! I mean who the f would let two of his High Kings get killed, the family treasure stolen without retaliation 🤷🏻♂️
@Orangefan77 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect. Need to shave off all my annoying itchy quarantine beard, and this will be perfect to play while I do so. TMI but meh
@RichardLeslieWhereat 4 жыл бұрын
Wash your beard with shampoo, conditioner, and then massage it with beard oil. It'll stop being itchy. You need to clean it properly like you would your hair.
@tyroberts2261 4 жыл бұрын
I grew one too. Now the wife says she likes it. Damn.
@InTecknicolour 3 жыл бұрын
The Sons of Feanor should've remembered the old quote "Before you seek revenge, first dig two graves"
@concept5631 Жыл бұрын
@@dominicmarazita6058 Its incredible how Feanor damned his family with a single oath they would never recover from.
@AmiraMekki 4 жыл бұрын
Ight this is perfect. What if they never took the oath
@RichardLeslieWhereat 4 жыл бұрын
What if, get this, Olwe had loved his brother Elwe enough to help Feanaro get across to Middle Earth, and sent an army his own damned self, to help protect the Moriquyendi against Morgoth? Or if Elwe returned the stolen property that did not belong to him? Or if his son did, or if Dior's daughter did...
@mehh4029 4 жыл бұрын
I think that would make a great theory episode
@rruhland 4 жыл бұрын
I always wonder what would have come of Maedhros had it not been for the Oath. He could have been the best of the Noldor, with the power and skill of his father and the wisdom of seeing how the pride of Fëanor was his downfall. Celegorm and Curufin can fuck right off though.
@bobbob-yr4bh 4 жыл бұрын
The noldor wouldent have gone into beleriand
@RichardLeslieWhereat 4 жыл бұрын
@@bobbob-yr4bh come to think of it, it would have been best. Then Elwë and his people would have been destroyed. And most likely, Melkor would have returned to Aman with dragons, to destroy the valar.
@darthmorgoththesecond9990 4 жыл бұрын
I got to play LEGO The Hobbit again
@MrElicer 4 жыл бұрын
I always love how you end your videos. You relate it to genuine human emotions positively.
@replicant_7774 4 жыл бұрын
Well, no wonder the elves had dwindled by the War of the Ring, they'd been engaged in fratrecidic war against each other and been getting smashed by Morgoth at the same time.
@apdarkness905 4 жыл бұрын
An excellent, enjoyable, well laid out and comprehensive look into this long, difficult and tragic hunt for the Silmarils. Very enjoyable video, well done, well done indeed, loved it.
@Mark723 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly written and crafted. Thank you, as always, for your generosity.
@DOLLHAUSPRODUCTION 4 жыл бұрын
I've waited a long time for the Silmarils and the devastation of the Oath. Very well written. Thank You✴
@ChiaraSiasat 4 жыл бұрын
Another amazing video Yoysten! Thanks for the in-depth look into Fëanor and his sons and how their actions and oaths led to their consequences and downfall.
@agnesohlsen1621 4 жыл бұрын
Just started reading the Silmarillion and it is absolutely amazing. Your videos are really helpful for when the story becomes a bit difficult to understand, so keep on making them :).
@geviesanta3631 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video, it was pretty interesting
@madambutterfly1997 4 жыл бұрын
Because I'm not as material is most people if you gave somebody most secret of relics of Middle-earth I would not hesitate to part or destroy it. mostly because the road to power tends to be extremely lonely road when you've literally murdered everyone to get there. And Beauty can be the same way if you don't have a Beron to your Luthien
@chargingrhino5636 4 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video, Yoystan! Bravo. The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings have big places in my heart, but there's something truly special about The Silmarillion, the House of Finwe, and in particular, Feanor and his sons. I never tire of listening to the audiobook, and each time I do I always get something new out of it. Many other writers would have gotten lazy with the binding of the Oath upon 8 characters and left them very two-dimensional. Tolkien, however, developed each one of them in very complex ways. One can sympathize with Maedhros when Morgoth chains him to the mountain. One can cheer Huan when he finally has enough of Celegorm and turns on him. One can (almost) forgive Maglor for all the mayhem he caused when he adopts Elros and Elrond. Tolkien was a literary genius, and you handled the explication of the House of Feanor quite deftly! I look forward to the next installment from MOTW.
@jarod5181991 4 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on city of Gondolin and it's amazing walls? One of my favorite reads was from The Lost Tales book, specifically where Tolkien describes in extreme detail the many gatehouses and walls of Gondolin before its fall.
@Its_Revan 4 жыл бұрын
I love the concept of this series. Fantastic video as always my friend
@Gigglepud 4 жыл бұрын
Love how it brings a deeper meaning to this passage upon reread: 'The Ring-bearer is setting out on the Quest of Mount Doom. On him alone is any charge laid: [...]. The others go with him as free companions, to help him on his way. You may tarry, or come back, or turn aside into other paths, as chance allows. The further you go, the less easy will it be to withdraw; yet no oath or bond is laid on you to go further than you will. For you do not yet know the strength of your hearts, and you cannot foresee what each may meet upon the road.' 'Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens,' said Gimli. 'Maybe,' said Elrond, 'but let him not vow to walk in the dark, who has not seen the nightfall.' 'Yet sworn word may strengthen quaking heart,' said Gimli. 'Or break it,' said Elrond.
@warriorcatskid003 3 жыл бұрын
Gimli: maybe an oath would be a good idea Elrond, with a mental image of his dad in a star boat for eternity, his mom throwing herself into the ocean, his entire people being killed only for him and his brother to be “surprise adopted” by the people responsible for all of that, then watching as Maedhros yeets himself into lava and Maglor gets depressed and disappears: absolutely NOT
@tokyo_taxi7835 Жыл бұрын
@@warriorcatskid003 Then many centuries later he loses his wife to the torment of the Orcs, and then his daughter when she chooses to become a mortal. Elrond really didn't have a good life; he had to endure so much trauma.
@concept5631 Жыл бұрын
@@tokyo_taxi7835 Thanks Fëanor.
@concept5631 Жыл бұрын
Its incredible how one man caused so much pain and destruction
@srimadhumithra2330 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! That was amazing!
@TSmith-yy3cc 3 жыл бұрын
This is such a rich story and you did it great justice!
@Infoaddicts91 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video yoystan!
@cinematicplays2644 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t know why they Decide to make lords of rings show but there are so many Characters in the lord of rings movie they can make into movie
@richardrobertson1886 4 жыл бұрын
The Tolkien family won’t sell the rights.
@RichardLeslieWhereat 4 жыл бұрын
@@richardrobertson1886 Given that the Numenorean show isn't going to represent the Numenoreans properly, I can understand why.
@markuhler2664 4 жыл бұрын
The tales involve so much & are so complex that doing them justice would be extremely difficult if not impossible. [That being said I would like to see more stories from Tolkien as well, if at least to show the public the vastness & quality of his world.]
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
Christopher Tolkien and now whoever in the family holds the rights was not ready to sell the rights on the Silmarillion (rather the first age), especially after he was disappointed by the lord of the rings and hobbits movies cause he felt PJ mistreated a lot of his fathers characters! So the only characters than can be used in any movie or series are those of the Hobbit, LotR or Amazon‘s rights on the Second Age!
@dacsfrancis 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@Crosmando 3 жыл бұрын
Surprised to learn that the Ring-maker Celebrimbor is Feanor's descendant, if that isn't a cursed family I don't know what is.
@marionbaggins 4 жыл бұрын
Maglor is my Favorite of these 7, because he helps raise and support 2 Future Important Characters!!! I dare Someone to do a ranking of these Sons From Malgor and Maedhros being the best to Celegorm *sorry he is* the Worst!!! I really wanted to know how do you say Maedhros' name and Thank You, Mellon, For That I Now Know!!! Thanks for this Very Sad Video on these Brothers, It's sad because I have Older Brothers...Until the End of the First Age...Marion Baggins Out!!! P.s Out of One to Ten: (One being the Shire and Ten being Mount Doom) How Exhausted are you of COVID19 Lockdown?!!!
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
My order of the sons: -Maedhros -Maglor -Caranthir -Amrod/Amras (well, they never appear or are characterized much at all) -... -still nothing -oh yes, there was Curufin -celegorm 🙈
@c.antoniojohnson7114 4 ай бұрын
Anytime you want to take Luthien, lusting after her like Morgoth when she sang for him. You're a villain.
@anniebiggs1217 4 жыл бұрын
This is quite an interesting family but unique in many ways I think from other elves just because of their deeds and atrocities in Middle Earth as always great narration put into great detail loved it thank you I really enjoy your channel I always learn something new in each video you post thank you!
@stonetoadsteveaustin6132 4 жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace Sir Ian Holm
@80budokai 4 жыл бұрын
Men of West, great video! Enjoy your Sunday!💯🙏👐
@jesuscoyt-munoz2753 4 жыл бұрын
It’s ironic because although these brothers deeds led to great tragedies they also led to many great things kinda like a paradox, and great video yoystan keep up the great work and namarie everyone where ever you are in middle earth.
@brynbentley321 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always.
@ryangoulding4651 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff as always .
@animistchannel2983 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter how great your skills, if you are rotten at the heart. Feanor could have let the Valar rekindle the Two Trees with his gems, but he loved his own deeds more than he loved the natural beauty and power from which they were made. So in the end, all were lost to the land, for his vanity drew the gaze of the equally sick vanity of Melkor. It was said that during his time in the Undying Lands, three times he asked his cousin Galadriel for a single strand of her hair, that he might turn its natural power into an artifact of his own devising. All three times she denied him, seeing in him his pride and unholy ambition. Then, ages later, when Galadriel asked the dwarf Gimli to name what gift he would have of the elves, what gold or gems as his folk were known to love, Gimli humbly said he wanted no more treasure, except to have met her himself. When she insisted, he said that if he must ask, then he would ask for a single strand of her hair, and all the elves gasped, for they remembered that Feanor had asked the same with his dark heart. But when she looked into Gimli's soul, she saw one that valued beauty and loyalty over power and pride, and so she gave him three, as if answering Gimli "yes" for each time she had told Feanor "no." Such was the insight and wisdom of Galadriel, which so contrasted the short-sighted self-destructiveness of Feanor with his Oath. Feanor had always done works to inflate his own ego. Gimli, however, did his works to help others. He stayed true to the Fellowship through all their battles, even though his own folk were far away. He reforged the gates of Minas Tirith to secure the city of others where he didn't even dwell himself. Finally, he helped refortify Helm's Deep, and fashioned the Glittering Caves that he would leave behind for others to experience wonder, even though his time on Middle-earth was drawing to a close. Thus we can also compare Feanor, born in Valinor, but who betrayed and abandoned the Elder Lands, leaving them stained in his wake, and never to return. Gimli however, was born and grew in the mortal lands of Middle-earth, but he showed such spirit, virtue and long-laboring for the good of others that he was, in the end, welcomed to the shores of Valinor itself. Thus, over the long course of ages, the Undying Lands traded away the worst of their citizens in exchange for one of the best. + + + + + PS: Of course, it could also be said that with the gifts to the Fellowship, Galadriel also learned to give her own personal powers to others, that they would continue on without her after she was gone; and with the glittering gold of her own hair, the Valar finally allowed that she was "...buying a Stairway To Heaven" and could return to them herself. Such are the circles of time in the great tales and songs.
@MeraLee82 3 жыл бұрын
I had never made the connection between the requests of Fëanor and those of Gimli - thanks for that!
@concept5631 Жыл бұрын
Ironic how the greatest among Eru's firstborn children would be overshadowed by one from his adopted child.
@JonBoullion1020 3 жыл бұрын
I still can't believe that out of 7 kids, not one of them ended up being the outright blacksheep of the fam. If my dad told me that we're moving, ON FOOT, to the other side of the world in order to retrieve 3 gemstones from a Dark Lord of Incredible Power, especially in defiance of the wishes of the Valar........ Sorry Pops, Imma have to sit this family vacation out for SURVIVAL reasons. 😬
@concept5631 Жыл бұрын
The desire to make one's father proud can surpass any and all reason and rationality.
@c.antoniojohnson7114 4 ай бұрын
I think they were somewhat afraid of dad, Fëanor threatened his brother in front of everyone including the Valar.
@captaincruise8796 4 жыл бұрын
Probably worth mentioning that Feanor’s mother “died” because too much of her strength went into him and she became weary of life. On a completely different note, and to be a shameless grammar nazi, there is a helpful Note of Pronunciation in the Silmarillion that specifies the pronunciation of “DH” in Elvish languages as a voiced th such as in “then” not as in “thin”. Maedhros’s name is listed as an example. Sorry.
@Gigglepud 4 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to elaborate a bit more about the "then" and "thin" point, or perhaps link a video that shows an example? I've read about this before but tbh I can't really tell the difference
@captaincruise8796 4 жыл бұрын
@@Gigglepud if you're a native speaker of English, put your fingers on your throat and say "then" and "thin". You should feel your vocal chords vibrating when you say "th" in "then" but not "thin". One is a voiced consonant and one is not. They use different IPA symbols but other than voicing they are the same sound. This video explains it too. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aZNkdJiTvc-WdKs.html
@markuhler2664 4 жыл бұрын
Still can't tell the players without a program. But thank you for this and all your videos. Tolkien's messages come through them, & hopefully one day I'll be able to rattle off name & deeds like you.
@hughgedney3393 4 жыл бұрын
A very extremely great second video as always Men of the West.
@frederikfrancis1010 4 жыл бұрын
So intresting ! Awesome 👍🏻 Love you 💜💙♥️
@sethmiller2534 4 жыл бұрын
You are surely so tall, a mighty singer, so fair, so dark, so everything. More than all of all the sons, just wonderful
@anardistformerlynigel5250 2 жыл бұрын
The Silmarils go to Sky, Earth, and Sea while Faenor himself is a spirit of Fire that burns itself up just like a flame.
@TheLiamtk 3 жыл бұрын
Love these Vids!
@Alexs.2599 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. If you think about it if Feanor hadn't been stubborn with his destructive pride he could have helped Yavanna to recreate the trees of light if he had freely handed her the Silmarils. But no instead he decided to defy the Valar, and with their terrible oath he and his sons took the path of ultimate annihilation that brought so much chaos and loss for not only them but to all of the Eldar and the Edain of Middle Earth. In the end destroying Beleriand beneath the waves. The saga of Feanor and his sons is so fascinating. Tolkien could have written a whole separate book about them.
@verel8531 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about azaghal the dwarf
@mobian1 4 жыл бұрын
this is cool stuff! these video's have way more info inside them than the silmarilion!
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
Cause he uses several books/sources of Tolkien! He should only mention, that there are contradictory informations from time to time, like Orophers/Gil-Galads heritage or the time of Amrod/Amras‘ death
@jprocha1570 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see more of these family videos, I hope more are in the queue.
@profportuga1 3 жыл бұрын
Great work! Congrats! I admire the courage of fenor to challange the valar, still the curse seem to made most very evil!
@azipoor3468 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always...btw after Tulkas I think it's Ulmo's turn as an epic character video.Don't you miss seas and oceans and Vala of oceans,Ulmo Yoystan?🌊
@STARK1LL3R21 3 жыл бұрын
Wonder how different would the world of Arda be, had it been Feanor that died in Valinor instead of Finwe when Morgoth stole the Silmarils? Would Finwe want revenge on Morgoth for killing his firstborn son and for stealing the gems his now-dead son crafted? Would the Sons of Feanor want revenge for their father's death and reclaim the Silmarils without making such a dreadful oath?
@jalaaldous3511 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you do the children of Fingolfin and Finarfin next!
@madambutterfly1997 4 жыл бұрын
apparently oathbreaking is worst than kinslaying otherwise the last two wouldve quit the oath when they realized that they sacrificed everything for nothing.
@InTecknicolour 3 жыл бұрын
the tragedy of the Sons of Feanor is that they can't break their oath. They're bound by its strength because the oath was sworn in the name of the one God, Iluvatar. Any one who broke their oath would be cursed forever. Little did they know that the oath itself was a curse.
@madambutterfly1997 3 жыл бұрын
@@InTecknicolour they did way too much for 3 paperweights
@overcomingsins6334 3 жыл бұрын
@@InTecknicolour also Manwe and his wife as a witness. Their oath is not light.
@therealelderking5830 2 жыл бұрын
They literally cannot break their oath. It’s said that Maedhros tried to forswear the Oath after Doriath but failed. Breaking an oath is like breaking the Laws of Physics - you can’t do it.
@madambutterfly1997 2 жыл бұрын
@@therealelderking5830 I guess GRRM shouldve looked into that when he wrote Jaime's character in ASOIAF
@LethalDragon1 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I always enjoy your work. Have you answered in any of your videos yet the question of why the door to a dwarven kingdom (Moria) had an elvish password? Maybe it’s written somewhere but I don’t recall reading it. Given their general distaste for each other, it seems unlikely that dwarves were just slapping elvish words on stuff.
@dododimitrov9657 4 жыл бұрын
The lore before lord of the rings is far more rich and interesting
@isabel1234567891011 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video talking only about maedhros? Love your content!❤️
@warriorcatskid003 3 жыл бұрын
Yes my boy
@huntclanhunt9697 4 жыл бұрын
Video idea, what if Gil-Galad or Elendil (or both) had lived? What if Isildor had died and Elendil lived?
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
Then Elendil would‘ve been ambushed and got killed! Do you really think he would have withstood?!? NOBODY really withstood! The more powerful (or craving for power) the person, the greater the chance the ring will get you!
@huntclanhunt9697 4 жыл бұрын
@@michelmorio8026 Elendil might not have. He was very strong, but also had seen Sauron's manipulation on a level beyond that of any other humans. He may have been able to throw away the ring, or hand it to someone who could.
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
If even Gandalf nor Galadriel would trust THEMSELF to even TOUCH that thing, clearly knowing that it is Sauron‘s tool, I would argue Elendil too couldn‘t handle it... like I said, the more powerful the bearer, the stronger the seduction through the ring... and Elendil was very powerful, but not flawless Besides, it is long since I read the book... but is Elrond taking Isildur to Mount Doom canon or simply from the movie trilogy?!? 🤔 And remember, even Frodo, a Hoobit, and these folk weren‘t easy to influence cause they aren‘t after power, got in the end corrupted and couldn‘t bring himself to destroy the ring... I don‘t believe one of the most powerful humans/Dunedain out of perhaps Ar-Pharazon and Tar-Minyatur would be able to withstand that seduction 🤷🏻♂️
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
NatoHoro as wasn‘t Gandalf! Yet HE tells us in the books people IN POWER/POWERFUL PEOPLE are easily corrupted by him, cause they wanna use him to HELP OTHERS, with GOOD INTENTIONS! But still, the ring only uses these good intentions to get faster to them! Isildur wasn’t also after power and the ring got pretty fast to him...
@sarasamaletdin4574 3 жыл бұрын
Or what if Feanor had lived to fit the theme of the video more?
@pearlmygreatdane 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! I very recently finished reading The Silmarillion and LOVED it, and Fëanor and his sons are some of my favorite characters. I have a question that you or somebody else can probably answer. Why is Maedhros always depicted with red hair? I do not remember this detail mentioned anywhere in The Silmarillion, though perhaps I missed it. I'm just curious.
@quinnwatson951 4 жыл бұрын
Oh boy.....
@spacepiratejacen2258 4 жыл бұрын
Jolly good fun! 👍🏻
@curiouscatalyst 4 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered what would have happened had Finwë survived the encounter with Melkor and Ungoliant, or else not been at Formenos. Would he have been able to de-escalate the situation, or muster the Valar themselves to act against Melkor, I wonder. It's also very interesting to me that none of the Valar are immune to coveting the Silmarils. Melkor's greed we all know and is blatant, but even in the immediate aftermath of the destruction of the trees, the focus of the Valar is not on the perpetrator, and what his motives and next plans were - especially given his track record of doing this at every opportunity - and how then to protect the elves that they've taken into their stewardship and protection, as it were, but immediately to "surrender the Silmarils, and woe betide you question it". Even when they're not present, they erode the good and sense in anyone who has seen or come into contact with them. I'd be throwing the three little fuckers into the sea as well, I think. Sod that. 😂
@sarasamaletdin4574 3 жыл бұрын
Tulkas expecially was the problem. Yvanna asked nicely at least and Aule understood how big of a deal was for them to ask. Feanor was silent for a long time and maybe would have decided differently had Tulkas not tried to pressure him. And anyway Manwe should have spoken right after Yvanna and said they should not discuss the Trees right not but what to do with Morgoth and maybe they should find a new light solution to benefit all of Arda.
@curiouscatalyst 3 жыл бұрын
@@sarasamaletdin4574 Definitely! And you'd think Tulkas of all the Valar would be the one thinking about how to get hold of Melkor again. I think discussions of what "property" even was to both Valar and Eldar were long overdue too, as they clearly had VERY different conceptualisations of it. But I've always quietly suspected that the only one who could have bridged that gap in understanding between Valar and Eldar (and Men, by extension), and translated effectively for each side, at least in the beginning before they spent centuries learning each other, was Melkor. And he knew that perfectly well, and played them all as a result.
@concept5631 Жыл бұрын
@@curiouscatalyst The highest and brightest of stars falls the lowest.
@racoonlittle1679 4 жыл бұрын
When you literally die for 3 shiny rocks...
@Gigglepud 4 жыл бұрын
It's a bit of stretch, but arguably: when you break an entire continent for 3 shiny rocks ...
@therealelderking5830 2 жыл бұрын
They weren’t just 3 shiny rocks.... they were 3 VERY shiny rocks. Makes all the difference.
@noahtylerpritchett2682 2 жыл бұрын
Someone stole my property I would make my sons and I oath bound to take back a ancestral claim.
@c.antoniojohnson7114 4 ай бұрын
The Simarils are more than "shiny rocks" they are very precious and shiny.
@billywhite3413 2 жыл бұрын
Although I usually agree with everything you say in these wonderful videos that you make, I think I disagree with a small segment in this one. Maglor wondering the coasts lamenting in shame and misery I think should only be until Beleriand falls beneath the waves. In my mind (and how i've interpreted it) Maglor wanders around the sundered coast until he is taken beneath the waves with the broken lands where the fell deeds of Feanor's son were carried out. I think it's more fitting and i'm sure he'd have welcomed it towards the end.
@DrunkJester 4 жыл бұрын
Hi I've commented on this before but you should do a clip about the fall of Numenor and the hiding of Valinor which to my understanding reshaped middle from flat to round. Luv ya work keep it up.
@michelmorio8026 4 жыл бұрын
Not really, middle-earth changed a bit after the war against Morgoth, but the middle-Earth that we know is mostly like it was since the first age! If you take the map, Beleriand was just west of the Blue Mountains (the Mountains North and South of the Grey Havens) where now is the ocean
@DrunkJester 4 жыл бұрын
@@michelmorio8026 its just after the hiding of valinor when they talk about sailing there you take the hidden road and which drops away which to me sounds like valinor is up in the air and they describe after the destruction how all seas are now bent. I was just wondering had i misread interpreted this in the Silmarillon and the other books
@RovingPunster 4 жыл бұрын
A good overview, and I liked the artwork ... but one minor nit is that you didnt even mention the forging of the silmarils - only their theft.
@jonasaho6722 3 жыл бұрын
This was quite a good summary about the Feanor's line. It is short and condensed by it's very nature. Therefore one would be wise to look into each character more in depth in order to understand why they took the actions. that they did To call them all solely evil, because of the wost actions they have taken, is unwise indeed Doom of Mandos was not kind to the sons of Feanor. Maglor to some extent and Maedhros in particular felt the bitter words "...To evil end shall all things turn that they begin wel...l" Nerdanel did mutch for children. In his regard the alternative fate of the twins is even more tragic. (I'm happy with the video, but post this as a reminder for people that there is more to this story than meets the eye.)
@sunwukong6897 4 жыл бұрын
O, those sons of Fëanor. Always up to no good!
@johnpatricktan5545 4 жыл бұрын
Wooo, interesting stuff
@smileyplants6736 3 жыл бұрын
I like your videos very much
@TheMarcHicks 4 жыл бұрын
I often wonder how the War of the Jewels would have turned out had the Oath of Feanor not been entered into by any of his sons (or if a few had taken the oath, what would have transpired if they'd been killed early on during the Wars)?
@jakealter5504 2 жыл бұрын
The war probably wouldn’t have changed much unless maedhros and maglor were killed earlier, then morgoth probably would’ve won sooner
@ereiniongil-galad 4 жыл бұрын
The rest of the world watches Netflix to chill out and relax after a long day. Me: *goes to Yoystan's channel to binge on Men of the West KZfaq videos*
@sophiebuxton2137 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact - you pronounced Maedhros’ name and I am now having a crisis over all my pronounciation as I realised I have been pronouncing everything wrong.
@MasterLordNikesama 4 жыл бұрын
Thats Why I playing LOTRO because History and So many Legendary quest in Middle-earth and many people on have there on Lore and history on there life :) Thank you You are awesome man I waiting for your next upload :D :)
@Whyred100 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent narration and storytelling of these stubborn sons of Fëanor!
@listi9573 3 жыл бұрын
Keeping Up with the Feanorians
@Crafty_Spirit 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure this is going to be an uplifting listen
@bernardosaldana9982 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought the Sons of Fëanor were one of the most tragic (if not the most) family in all of Tolkien's works each son was filled with Valor,might, skill,bravery and even Love,mercy and great amounts of compassion like we see with Maedhros and Maglor who takes care of Elrond and Elros but it was there father's damn oath to the Gems the lead them to doing unspeakable and cruel acts that in the end proved to be worthless as the gems they sacrificed so much to Get back in the end burned them as much as they did Melkor himself
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