Official Announcement: The Winds of Winter | George RR Martin Doesn't Know How To Finish His Story!

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7 ай бұрын

Welcome back for another Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire update video. In this video, I will be talking about George R.R. Martin's recent interview. During this new interview, George R.R. Martin revealed he no longer wants his ASOIAF book fans asking him about the Winds of Winter release date. As you all know, George R.R. Martin has been writing the Winds of Winter for over 12 years. He hasn't released an ASOIAF book since 2011, when A Dance with Dragons was published. Since then, he has given us dozens of updates regarding his progress on TWOW. At this point, we may never find out when George R.R. Martin is releasing the Winds of Winter, because it always appears as if he will never finish writing it. He said he was 75% of the way done, but now I'm not so sure I believe him. Thankfully HBO is still producing shows set in his ASOIAF universe, otherwise we may never visit there again. Let me know what you think about his new interview down below. Thanks for watching! I appreciate your support.
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@TalkingThrones 6 ай бұрын

George might have taken himself into deep waters with all of these complex and ever-expanding storylines. Did he bite off more than he can chew?

@sammcgregor5455 6 ай бұрын

Yes. And he knows that no matter how good it is, people will be VOCALLY dissapointed. His legacy at the moment is secure. He could ruin it if he finishes the books

@souryabanik0907 6 ай бұрын

He is 75 years old. Considering he doesn't look very fit, i wouldn't be surprised if he unfortunately passes away before finishing the series.

@realshompa 6 ай бұрын

No. He is just lazy.

@stuarth6153 6 ай бұрын

I believe he's only really half way through his story in his mind. I'd feel better if it was dream of spring we were currently waiting for as the wait would kind of be worth it. I got to be honest I think winds of winter will be released and that will be his last book. Like the TV show it could be passed over to someone he thinks he can trust to bring the story to a close. Will book fans accept that? We get the story finished but not by grrm himself (but mostly) I think thats the real bitter/sweet ending

@ethanhandel1001 6 ай бұрын

@@stuarth6153 I think the TV show was a test for at least some major aspects of how he wanted the story to end and when he saw the backlash he went back to the drawing board. I agree though that we will see WoW but will not get Dream unless someone else writes it.

@marcuswynn89 6 ай бұрын

Do you know what the winds of winter is? A story we tell ourselves over and over until we forget that it will not arrive

@jdgoesham5381 6 ай бұрын

Bro, you win the internet today with that. Unless you didn't make it up yourself...Then you win a few hours for making my lmao.

@YSQ300 6 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@rusty8684 6 ай бұрын

The winds are baron and bare and only take what hope we have and leave us cold and alone

@shadow_realm47 6 ай бұрын

Meanwhile I have re- written drafts of season 7/8 of game of thrones, winds of winter, a dream of spring and undone the mirenese knot in my head❤ I also only read ASOIAF in its entirety after game of thrones ended. 😅 I have hobbies, a job and go to college as well. George is a lazy cunt. There I said it.

@madyjules 6 ай бұрын

perfect 😂😂😂😂

@stephaniespain9849 6 ай бұрын

I don’t think we’ll ever get A Dream Of Spring unless he allows someone else to finish it after he passes.

@tonshmar 6 ай бұрын

😏

@ModMax69 6 ай бұрын

after he passes gas

@stringofbeans1244 6 ай бұрын

just say it.. GRRM will die earlier before he releases his semen and winds of winter. oh btw disney will write dreams of spring

@MaXiMoS54 6 ай бұрын

Dream of Spring? Lol we won't even get Winds of Winter

6 ай бұрын

@@stringofbeans1244Are you serious about Disney writing it?

@virtuallw 6 ай бұрын

I think George is under an immense amount of pressure to come up with the perfect ending to an amazing saga. I think he would be wise to take on a partner to work with and bounce ideas off. He could do the actual writing, but having someone to help shape an outline for the ending may be just what he needs. If they had regular meeting times, and concrete goals and deadlines for specific areas of the story, this may be the way to go.

@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015 6 ай бұрын

If this happens, it would have to be someone who never watched the show. That way, if there are things that George still wanted to do which happened in season 8, he couldn't be talked out of it and would be able to still write what he wanted, but a thousand times better with more context and buildup than season 8.

@tom_marsden 6 ай бұрын

I’m no writer but one would think he should already know how it ends. Seems like something he should have had a feeling for before he even wrote a single word.

@RoidRage369 6 ай бұрын

@brandon sanderson

@nafets87 6 ай бұрын

He have Elio García and Linda Antonsson as scribes basically. Putting all information in order. Don't know if they help with the writing process though.

@macairhead5137 6 ай бұрын

Dude he already HAD writing assistants. Those guys starting (and finishing?) the Expanse series together might be why he’s stuck in the first place..

@KellyJelly9976 6 ай бұрын

I think he should quietly get a co-author and let them help him complete WoW. He has too much going right now and it seems like tv adaptations are what he wants to give all of his energy to. That's all well and good, but the amount of time it has already taken him to get this far is quite mind-boggling. I am surprised his editor and publishing company aren't pressuring him.

@7ShadowMaiden7 6 ай бұрын

I have hard time believing his publisher isn’t pressuring him, but I second your opinion! Co-author or a team talented writers who love the books and characters and George tells them where he hopes the characters will go. George obviously has to approve but this is WAY too long

@shadow_realm47 6 ай бұрын

He should get 3 authors and a fresh editor to outsource the grunt work.

@hatchetmouth8211 6 ай бұрын

Clive Barker had a ghostwriter complete The Scarlet Gospels. He doesn't even have to make a co-writer public knowledge if he doesn't want to.

@ladyeowyn42 6 ай бұрын

Collaborating can help so much with hard problems - it’s humanity’s best trait. Refusing help/ego is one of humanity’s worst traits.

@davidschulz2636 4 ай бұрын

i doubt even a co author can help him finish world of warcraft

@joeltraten5967 6 ай бұрын

The Winds of Winter will never blow, and a Dream of Spring remains just that - a dream.

@jollygoodfellow3957 6 ай бұрын

A pipe dream of spring.

@wendykoranda666 6 ай бұрын

I agree

@stevem2323 6 ай бұрын

@@jollygoodfellow3957 A Loud Fart of Spring.

@cherylbaxter8986 6 ай бұрын

Well said

@benhuether5474 6 ай бұрын

A Dream of Spring will not be as complex and important to the story as Winds of Winter. Therefore I believe that he will be able to write it faster than the current book. He will mostly be focusing on wrapping up the story as a whole than maneuvering through complex character arcs with the next book after Winds of Winter.

@Seven_Kingdoms77 6 ай бұрын

I understand it’s frustrating for him but at the same exact time, that’s how we as fans feel about the situation!

@maikelkuiper3712 6 ай бұрын

Then he should release it instead of wanking off while swimming in his multi millions😂

@leroyvanderecken6956 6 ай бұрын

Seriously I just got into the books 2 years ago and I’m triggered for y’all this is torture

@kittenburger_prime 6 ай бұрын

Yeah people are trying to rush the fans while they try to do an impossibly good job. It's totally the same.

@7ShadowMaiden7 6 ай бұрын

@@kittenburger_primeGeorge, is that you? Finish the book plz love u

@rymic72 6 ай бұрын

I first read Game of Thrones and Clash of Kings in 1998. The wait times between books have gotten progressively worse.

@ghyslainabel 4 ай бұрын

No matter when we ask: - nuclear fusion reactors are 30 years away; - self-driving cars are 10 years away; - Winds of Winter is a year away.

@kushalnitnaware 2 ай бұрын

Nuclear Fusion is developed just not viable. Self driving cars are here. WoW will be released in 2025

@jackbelcher9917 Ай бұрын

@@kushalnitnaware what makes you say it'll come in 2025?

@TheDawnofVanlife Ай бұрын

@@kushalnitnawareSelf driving cars aren’t really ‘here’ as in its not a common thing not do they have them working effectively everywhere. Driving assist is actually in a pretty good place for many new cars but true self driving is still in a limited version under controlled conditions and still can not be safely out for the full driving publicly.

@Paul_Caruana 6 ай бұрын

So, if I understood his words, he has said in this most recent interview that wow is 75% complete…which is what he said a year ago! I think that one of his problems is that he keeps on re writing previously finished chapters, over and over again. This obsession with writing the perfect novel is of course what makes game of thrones so good, however the writer is now taking this to such an extreme that he is effectively making it impossible to ever finish this series. Honestly, I think we can give up hope of him ever finishing the series, unless GRRM accepts the help of additional writer/editors to help him cross the finish line.

@shadow_realm47 6 ай бұрын

He said that 6 years ago aswell

@nekitamol1k242 Ай бұрын

Yeah, because Feast and Dance were so perfect. Really eventul and fast-paced.

@carolbriscoe9337 6 ай бұрын

GRRM had lost control of the story. He created so many characters, it's probably proving impossible to pull all those threads together, gathered in Westeros. There has been nothing stopping him from releasing the first have of the book as PART ONE. His publishers would be grateful and his fans ecstatic. And it reduce the pressure on him. I strongly doubt we will ever read this book

@KM-et5bm 6 ай бұрын

100% this. The world got too big.

@YnEoS10 6 ай бұрын

I think if he published the first half he’d end up doing publicity for it and taking a break and we’d wait even longer for the next part if it even comes out.

@carolbriscoe9337 6 ай бұрын

@YnEoS10 oh God! Never thought of all the book tours he'd do! But it wouldn't be necessary. Fans would line up to purchase book 1!

@29blazehead 6 ай бұрын

The problem is, then part 1 is now set and he cant undo anything in that part of the story. If there was a small detail he wanted different for a character, it could cause a problem.

@Lotschi 6 ай бұрын

@@29blazeheadI agree. And for A Dream of Spring it is the same. As long as Winds is not perfect he can‘t release it because Dream needs to align perfectly.

@jeffgrant1973 6 ай бұрын

My philosophy is: if he publishes "The Winds of Winter" and "A Dream of Spring", I will be happy for him and his readers. If he doesn't publish one or both, I will be happy for what he did share with the world.

@zakunick1 6 ай бұрын

I agree. I’m the same as anyone else. I REALLY want him to finish. But he’s an old man. Let him have his time and we’ll get more books or we won’t. There will be water if God wills it.

@Lotschi 6 ай бұрын

Nice way of thinking, like that!

@adipsous 6 ай бұрын

I feel the same way. We have some of the greatest and most thrilling writing ever done already, between the main books, the Dunk and Egg tales, the Dance of the Dragons story, and assorted histories. What an impact he's had. Just look at this channel and all the literally thousands of others devoted to scrutinizing, analyzing, and celebrating what he's given the world. I hope he lives a very long, continuously fruitful, and stress free life of adding to his magnum opus and enjoying the process of his amazing creativity.

@justanothermortal1373 5 ай бұрын

Yeah. This is what I've accepted at this point.

@henderyjem6881 5 ай бұрын

@@adipsousdon't you think it's a little strange he prefers writing about eggs than fantasy and dragons?

@atumanov55 6 ай бұрын

My theory is that the reason he stopped writing the books is that the ending the TV show had was actually George RR Martins canon ending for his books, but the negative reaction from the world shocked him and he thought he needs to change the ending. However thinking of a different ending that concludes the story well is nearly impossible at this point, since it was planned in advance so the story is at a stand still

@tessdurberville711 6 ай бұрын

I have been saying that for years. How did you avoid getting attacked😅?

@atumanov55 6 ай бұрын

@@tessdurberville711 I once said this in a fantasy subreddit and was in fact attacked and downvoted lol. It’s the only obvious conclusion outside of him just losing interest and not caring anymore. He’s rich from the show now so no more incentive to write anymore. I really doubt we get anymore books from him

@tessdurberville711 6 ай бұрын

@@atumanov55 Agreed. Thank you.

@mrj4082 5 ай бұрын

The ending isn't the problem. It's how the show got there

@jackpackage4278 5 ай бұрын

⁠@@mrj4082 agreed. Dany going mad wasn’t the problem, it was how rushed and out of nowhere it felt. Like she went from the Dany we’ve known for 7 seasons to a full on psycho in less than 4 episodes.

@MadamAdam67 6 ай бұрын

I started writing in 2016. I hammered out close to 3000 words a day. I was within two or three chapters of finishing with my book, when I got accepted by a publisher. Associates who were reading daily were chomping at the bit for the next chapters. It. Shut. Me. Down. No, I am no George RR, Martin, and certainly nowhere near as prolific, I tend to think that continued pressure scares off your muse. He is old, he is morbidly obese, we will never see the end. I have accepted this and found peace. If it comes, it comes, and I will be pleasantly surprised, but I hold no expectation.

@legrandliseurtri7495 6 ай бұрын

You got accepted by a publisher before even being done with the book? Must have been a great book.

@zerere_ 4 ай бұрын

@@legrandliseurtri7495happens more often than you'd think

@johnhoney5089 4 ай бұрын

@@legrandliseurtri7495That or the chapters were serialized first.

@janlemmens1885 2 ай бұрын

So you write more words per day than Stephen King but claim to be less prolific than GRRM? Quite the paradox...

@aaroncarlsback7239 Ай бұрын

@@janlemmens1885 Stephen King said he usually writes 10,000 words each writting session

@jeanieberry2004 6 ай бұрын

I think he has too many irons in the fire . If he truly wants to finish the series he would have to stop some of the other things he is doing . I’m surprised that the publishers of these books aren’t pressuring him for the new book . I’m not sure we will ever get it .

@Edithae 6 ай бұрын

He supposedly did that already a couple years ago. At the time he said the book was maybe a year away from finishing and he wanted to prioritise it. The dudes full of crap. He's clearly lost the motivation to finish his series, he should be honest with his fans and start looking for a successor author who can continue his work like Robert Jordan and the Wheel of Time.

@shadow_realm47 6 ай бұрын

He's just lazy let's be honest here. 10 years is enough time. He crumbled under backlash that the show recieved rather than embrace the critical feed back and realise that everything after season 5 wasn't his fault even though it was his own outline.

@jeanieberry2004 6 ай бұрын

@@shadow_realm47 I don’t think he is lazy . He just has other things he is interested in doing . Maybe those other things are more exciting or maybe easier to do . I’m not sure . I do agree he has had time to finish . Especially during the pandemic. Also health wise we don’t know what is going on there . He has accomplished a lot . Lazy no .

@shadow_realm47 6 ай бұрын

@@jeanieberry2004 okay I'll acquiesce that he's not lazy if he drops winds by the end of 2024- mid 2025 even. There's a writter strike going on in Hollywood at the moment so they don't need him to work on the new shows.

@jeanieberry2004 6 ай бұрын

@@shadow_realm47 I’m sure he is doing something with the development of the new shows . I don’t see him not doing something . He started all the series, the shows , he has had his hand in all of it . Between House of the Dragon . The new Jon Snow that seems to progressing . I’m sure his phone and emails , and any communication device he has in blowing up . He is more than just a writer .

@DagwoodDogwoggle 6 ай бұрын

I've said it before: when the first episode aired on HBO, he sat back in a comfy chair, cracked open a can of Ye Olde Ale, sipped and said, "Ah. Finished." It's human nature.

@faisalsukhtian1932 6 ай бұрын

Is it though? There are countless authors who have it made yet still dish out books like their life depended on it. Stephen King is the first to come to mind…

@junioradult6219 6 ай бұрын

@@faisalsukhtian1932hes not that kind of author

@faisalsukhtian1932 6 ай бұрын

@@junioradult6219 C’mon now, even George released a dozen books since the first episode of GoT aired, they just weren’t ASoIaF… Don’t get me wrong, I’m not siding with George in any way shape or form. His endless delays are infuriating, but as far as this viewpoint is concerned, it’s completely moot, because you can say what you will about him, but you can’t say he doesn’t care.

@cruzloera4931 5 ай бұрын

Nope it’s just a coincidence we haven’t gotten a book since the year the show premiered

@stuffylamb3420 2 ай бұрын

@@faisalsukhtian1932can’t you easily argue he doesn’t care about game of thrones since he’s had so many other projects since the show started and still isn’t finished? Easy to conclude he doesn’t have a passion for it anymore.

@forgottenredemption4970 6 ай бұрын

Honestly it sounds like he's been crushed under the pressure. He keeps rewriting it over and over. He's become extremely critical of his work. I also think that may be why he keep prioritizing other projects. He can't seem to find a way he likes anymore. I also think he doesn't want to finish it because he knows what will happen in the story. He doesn't want it to be over. I actually think a dream of spring will be relatively quick to write. But will he want to is another question. I also think that he's introduced too many characters and threads. He's admitted he has people to remind him of characters and places. He's trying to figure out a world down to the individual. I bet he feels intimidated in many ways and maybe even a bit spiteful at the fans.

@lytalo 6 ай бұрын

Several years ago someone analyzed his books, each book gets longer. He even broke one into two books. I suspect this one might do the same. Hehe, there was a movie about a writer that had written a great first novel, and has not published a follow on book for 30 years. Everyone said he had writers block, but in fact in his office was thousands of pages in boxes, he couldn’t wrap it up. Maybe that’s George.

@LachskoenigIV 6 ай бұрын

Maybe? Hell, aren't there three dozen main characters? Just wait a few years and let an AI figure it out

@calebfuller4713 6 ай бұрын

Haha, I mean it's getting close to 30 years since "A Game of Thrones" was published.

@romanzusman2892 6 ай бұрын

@@LachskoenigIVan AI won't appreciate it anyway, but the thing is (with all the wars and pandemics going on right now) that a lot of Martin's fans probably won't see him actually ending his book series 😂 I mean will the most SOIaF fans be able to appreciate the books when the real world is like a big medieval simulation but with the Internet where the hordes of drones and the barrages of missiles take out the whole villages and the horrors of the Gregor"s rule of Harrenhall are overshadowed by the real life events of beheadings and acts of rape caught on CCTV? 😅

@LachskoenigIV 6 ай бұрын

@@romanzusman2892 you've gotta slap the time dead (as we'd say in Germany) while sitting in your bunker

@NowhereMan7 2 ай бұрын

@@romanzusman2892 What pandemics are going on right now? The world is like a medieval simulation and the books will be overshadowed by CCTV? What in seven hells are you talking about? Sure there are wars in the world like always. People still read books though 😵‍💫

@rainluna9765 6 ай бұрын

The Winds of Winter might be extremely tough to write, having to put so many storylines together as it's close to the last book.

@mrgotitfordalow 6 ай бұрын

Might be?

@StefunnyStrange 6 ай бұрын

I agree but I also think a decade gives you enough of a time buffer to complete those complicated storylines. 😂 TWELVE YEARS. 😩 I don’t care though. I still love George.

@bern1312 6 ай бұрын

Its definity extremally difficult, too extremally difficult as it seems...

@denawagner360 6 ай бұрын

I don't think he was allowed to, at least until HBO was done squeezing all that juice.

@TalkingThrones 6 ай бұрын

It appears to be an impossible task

@c_louie670 6 ай бұрын

The problem is not that he will publish Winds of Winter (because I think he will do it in a few years) but that we probably will never see A dream of spring. I really wish he would ask Brandon Sanderson help, George has so many projects he needs help, I know he say he doesn't want another author help him but that would solve his problems. Thanks for the update.

@garethwhite8770 6 ай бұрын

Brando is good, but he is not on the same level as Marty.

@countspamolot 6 ай бұрын

Sanderson is not a dark enough writer to be able to handle Martin's work, he has said so himself. Since Sanderson feels uncomfortable with sex scenes (consensual), he can't write Ramsey at all.

@nathanialharris3300 6 ай бұрын

The last two guys who helped him didn't do a very good job.

@countspamolot 6 ай бұрын

Who? @@nathanialharris3300

@rezskywalker2155 6 ай бұрын

I think if anyone can finish ASOIAF it would be Joe Abercrombie.

@lisettenash8338 6 ай бұрын

I think he will have to do the same he did with Dance with dragons, just divide the book in two and publish some of it. He has to accept that it will take more than 7 books🤷🏻‍♀️

@shadow_realm47 6 ай бұрын

9 or 13 💀

@mackfarlainethebarenakedau5113 6 ай бұрын

He turned in 800 pages to his publisher in about 2016, I heard. It should be two books, at least.

@RainisaurusRox 6 ай бұрын

Problem is, he comes up with stuff, writes that stuff and has to go back to change all the stuff that doesn`t work anymore. Then he has to change stuff that doesn`t work anymore after changing all the stuff, then he is exhausted, takes a break, comes back, reads all the stuff, doesn`t like it and starts over. At least he said that in an interview at some point, he "can`t" split it, or release what he already has cuz things constantly change. Once he releases something he loses that "freedom" of changing stuff all the time just to change all the other stuff, and more stuff. I`m sorry :D. @@mackfarlainethebarenakedau5113

@xtldc 6 ай бұрын

As frustrating at this is to hear, I made my peace a long time ago with the fact that we are never going to get Winds of Winter, let alone A Dream of Spring… I wonder if he’s familiar with the phrase ‘better not perfect than not done’

@LachskoenigIV 6 ай бұрын

Nah. The story is already perfect to this point. If it never gets finished it will remain a kind of legend and people will bicker about the ending for decades. If it is finished rushed and crippled as the TV series it will be forgotten fast.

@judithbradford9130 6 ай бұрын

I do not believe there will be another book. He refuses to prioritize it, and prefers using his time and energy for anything else than the difficult process of writing a book the pressure to finish which irritates him. He will just keep being "too busy" with whatever is more pleasant to work on than Winds, since he has no actual need to work on it rather than stuff that is fun, or indulges his personal feelings.

@ModMax69 6 ай бұрын

The book already came out in Japan and it was not received well so the company pulled it and said re-write it or else

@Dell-ol6hb 6 ай бұрын

Can anybody even blame him, he's nearly 80 now I'm sure he doesn't want to dedicate so much time and effort and deal with the stress of actually finishing the book with not that many years left in his life, especially since there's still one more left in the series anyway, he probably doesn't even feel motivated anymore

@s.v.298 6 ай бұрын

@@ModMax69 best answer yet 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@Ariel-ku9ns 6 ай бұрын

@@Dell-ol6hb bruh then he should at least say it? Because giving fans false hope for over a DECADE is like spitting in their faces.

@nobbynoris 6 ай бұрын

@@Ariel-ku9ns Exactly.

@BorniRich 6 ай бұрын

I don’t believe people are even asking him at this point. He feels himself slipping into irrelevancy

@restitvtororbis5330 6 ай бұрын

I think it's worse than that. I know for a fact people still care because you don't get multiple channels with well over 100k subs each making videos about every update if it wasn't relevant. But nobody is 'asking' and expecting a response anymore, they're just chanting "where's the book GEORGE" every single time he makes a statement or is doing anything that isn't directly related to the book. I don't think he's afraid of being irrelevant, quite the opposite, i think the pressure from the fans has grown to the point he knows that any minor 'mistake' he makes in the book is going to make the entire fan base angry that he took 12+ years to write something that wasn't perfect. He's never been someone who does his best work under pressure, but the pressure only gets worse every time he tries to give an update. There's never going to be a time he feels irrelevant, and at this point, at his age, I think he wishes that he could be irrelevant again

@stephaniespain9849 6 ай бұрын

Irrelevant? George is never going to be irrelevant. All the shows and things in the works proves that.

@junioradult6219 6 ай бұрын

@@restitvtororbis5330people care but nobody really expects it anymore

@ginarosetti7722 6 ай бұрын

There’s no way a dream of spring comes out in martins lifetime, I just hope he leaves notes and an outline for some of his closest assistants so someone can finish it, but of course it’ll be bitter sweet cause if this happens we will never really know how Martin would have done it.

@nobbynoris 6 ай бұрын

Ha! What we can be certain is, he wouldn't have done it.

@majagua161980 6 ай бұрын

Somehow I think that if he releases Winds of winter, whenever that may be, A dream of Spring will not be as far behind. Winds is probably so hard to solve, he has to move every character in the right direction to the finish line. But by the end every plot line and character will have to be where it needs to be for the big finish, and probably the estructure for the final book of the series will be clearer. I choose to be hopeful 😂

@LachskoenigIV 6 ай бұрын

That is my bet as well. With his writing style the ends follow a logical conclusion that will fall into place if all the lead up is done perfectly.

@junioradult6219 6 ай бұрын

Even if it took 5 years he will still most likely pass. If you beleive hes 3/4 done then he still has about 4 years and maybe another for editing. Then another 5 after that for dreams. The problem is with each year that passes his wit isnt quite as strong as when he was in his 40s and 50s. Hes not magically going to go faster till the end. He will slow down more and more with each passing year

@rance8838 6 ай бұрын

@@junioradult6219 not to mention he will 100% take a break from writing after winds, I know I would. I have no doubts he will die before the story ends, let's just hope he does release winds and it at least makes the ending something we can see in the horizon

@tacobellalugosi2527 6 ай бұрын

I look at it like this . Doesn’t matter the story will probably never be done so it saddens me to think of it . But I’ll read it when it comes . If it even does come out

@redseaford9426 6 ай бұрын

It won't. No one takes 15 years to write one book

@ModMax69 6 ай бұрын

We already know how it ends. Dany burns kings landing and Jon kills her

@dannyquirion124 6 ай бұрын

Two things. 1. I think splitting the saga in two books where the events happen at the same time was a mistake because how can he continue the story by bringing it back into one single book aka The Winds of Winter? 2. The TV Serie mixed him up and he doesn't know where to go with the books anymore.

@hussamkj403 6 ай бұрын

I think the ending in the show is exactly what RR Martin was planning except for few changes like Catelyn's ultimate fate. He saw the backlash and don't know how to end it. I kinda don't think the ending will be all that great because of how much hype the years build it up to be.

@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015 6 ай бұрын

I think it will definitely be similar. I'm positive they incorporated fAegon's character into Jon Snow in the last season of the show. So things like Dany going completely mad might be caused by fAegon in the book when she realises he's alive and he's trying to claim the iron throne too.

@Isuream6331 6 ай бұрын

See, I agree, but that shouldn’t hold him back for one reason: he actually gave the ending set-up. Bran becoming king? Bloodraven is established as a way bigger schemer in the books, possibly influencing people since the doom of Valaryia, so it make more sense than “he has a good story” Dany going mad? She does a lot of morally questionable things in the book, setting her up as teetering on the moral edge(plus, George would be able to properly present her madness) Arya killing the Night King? Won’t happen. It just won’t, as that was clearly DND getting shock value. Also there is no Night King equivalent in the books, so the conflict will probably be resolved differently. The book’s ending(in about 200 years) will have all the necessary pieces to have the ending make sense logically and be satisfying narratively. It will also be better written.

@rpgadventurer32 6 ай бұрын

Bran becoming king makes no sense whatsoever because of Bran's own character!! He's not like Bloodraven and that character never aspired to be a King in the first place. Tyrion perhaps or Jon Snow would make the most sense if indeed Jon is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen. There are so many things that happened on the show that make no sense with GRRM's happenings in the books. Daenerys is not even in Westeros yet in the books and there are no signs of her going mad at all. For that to be the case it would need more than one book to build it up. There are also magical aspects to her character and that prophecy which were never properly explored on the show.

@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015 6 ай бұрын

@@rpgadventurer32 There is a very good theory that Blood raven and the three eyed crow are not the same entity, and that Bran is being tricked. I also don't agree that Bran becoming king doesn't make sense. His was the first POV chapter in the books, and a lot can happen between now and the end to set this up more. If George writes it, it's going to be written properly, with proper buildup and reasoning.

@radosawmichapiwko7141 6 ай бұрын

Even if Martin planned to do the same ending, he can and will change the way story got to this end. Btw. book story cannot end like that with that many extra plots and characters.

@JacobSmith-rh2sr 6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, we kind of have to understand the Grim reality that at his age he probably will not finish the book before he passes

@ralphserr6341 6 ай бұрын

The dude is 75 years old. If he takes care of himself, loses some weight, eats less meat and more fruits and zero processed bullshit, he can easily have another 25 years to finish his story. But that depends on him. If he maintains his current diet, if he stresses too much because of work, then yeah, it's GG, he won't live beyond 85.

@destinitaylor4360 6 ай бұрын

He’s obviously suffering from a case of a constantly evolving storyline 😭 and really, I’m not even surprised. He’s created a BIG and intricate world. So, of course it’s getting freaking huge. But at the same time I completely understand fans frustration lol it HAS been twelve years after all.

@MasonOfLife 6 ай бұрын

It’s much easier and more enjoyable of a process to write as “a gardener” you can just take the story anywhere you want But when it comes to narrowing things back down, that’s a lot more tedious and even gruelling Getting down in the mess, really sorting through it, figuring out what should happen and how This tedious work may have sucked the joy out of writing for George and is why it has taken so long

@destinitaylor4360 6 ай бұрын

@@MasonOfLife yes exactly, especially since he has to choose which threads to pull into the book and not do TOO much so he’s not spoiling the rest of the story

@KimM13744 6 ай бұрын

I can sympathise with him being constantly asked about the books, especially since so many people disliked the ending of the show and hope for something better. But it is a compliment, people love this story and want to know how it ends, and the deadline keeps getting pushed back. My hope is that he is writing both books simultaneously and will finish them both to be certain he is happy with the end of the story in full before publishing WoW then DoS.

@CarlG-xu6qe 6 ай бұрын

He’s already flat out denied claim he’s writing both books

@rymic72 6 ай бұрын

I started reading these books 25 years ago. I wouldn’t mind some resolution 😂

@user-tg6uw3xz7b 6 ай бұрын

He can't complain about the end of the show if he can't pull his finger out and finish a book in 12 years. We would still be waiting for season 8 ffs

@KimM13744 6 ай бұрын

@@CarlG-xu6qe oh no. I didn't know that. He is quickly losing my faith in him.

@KimM13744 6 ай бұрын

@@user-tg6uw3xz7b I agree. Didn't he tell D&D the ending? Or did they just make it up. Either way it is no substitute for a full book to adapt

@jvin248 6 ай бұрын

When authors abandon books it generally happens at 1/3 and 2/3rds of the way through. The reasons are many but it's the same pattern. He is sitting at 2/3rds with likely too many lose or conflicting character arcs to meaningfully end them. And then saddled with the fan backlash at the television show's ending he fears how his ending will get reviewed. Now there is huge anticipation with oversized expectations due to the wait, where nothing will keep anyone happy.

@christopherlewis1315 6 ай бұрын

He's got no one to blame but himself! If he would just stop promising unrealistic timelines for the novels completion, and then passing them up, im sure people would be more forgiving.

@ModMax69 6 ай бұрын

Honestly, we can blame HBO for picking up the series. If it never blew up so big he might have actually finished them

@rickm2573 6 ай бұрын

I suspect if we get Winds of Winter it will be the last one most likely.

@timetochill3913 6 ай бұрын

That's my thoughts on it as well. If we get A Dream of Spring, it will not be his work but maybe someone very close to him with access to his notes.

@albertlamar5938 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for the update. Honestly, I long ago made peace with the saga remaining incomplete. Disappointing, but one must accept that creativity cannot be forced. If he does finish it, that will be a treat, and I will avidly read every word. If not, he did more than I will ever do, and I am grateful to have been able to read his work.

@benhuether5474 6 ай бұрын

A Dream of Spring will not be as complex and important to the story as Winds of Winter. It will most likely serve as one big ending to all the characters in the series. Therefore I believe that he will be able to write it faster than the current book. He will be focusing mostly on wrapping up the story as a whole then maneuvering through complex story and character arcs in the next book after Winds of Winter. It took 17 years for JRR Tolkien to write the whole of Lord of the Rings and that isn’t even half as complex as A Song of Ice and Fire. George RR Martin has given every indication that he intends to finish the series and just like other fantasy writers before him I believe that he has the ability to make it happen.

@hatchetmouth8211 6 ай бұрын

He no longer has any credibility.

@benhuether5474 6 ай бұрын

@@hatchetmouth8211 He said that he was 75% done with the novel last year. That seems credible to me.

@pickledpeckers7789 6 ай бұрын

@@benhuether5474How, did you stand over his shoulder and watch him write it?

@benhuether5474 6 ай бұрын

@@pickledpeckers7789 That’s actually my wet dream.

@junioradult6219 6 ай бұрын

@@benhuether5474and you just beleive that🤦‍♂️and by the way that means hes still 4 years out

@patrickk___ 6 ай бұрын

RIP Winds Of Winter. At least we got GOT in the first place, and so many more series and other stuff. Hopefully he at least finishes the Dunc and Egg novellas.

@snyderson1828 6 ай бұрын

He genuinely cares more for the story and his characters than for the fans. I can’t be mad at him. ❤

@brian177 4 ай бұрын

No, he cares more about side projects and (especially) television shows. He obviously, actively feels contempt for the fans 'pressuring' him to finish a *product*.

@mikepalmer2219 3 ай бұрын

Nah. He is scared to finish it.

@connormerritt5064 6 ай бұрын

I’ve not doubt we’ll get Winds and I think it’ll be split into two books, the release date for both announced at the same time. I don’t think we’ll get a Dream of Spring though. I can see it posted when he passes away “A Dream of Spring will remain a dream” I seriously hope I’m wrong and he manages to get it done. I’m hoping that Winds is just causing him a massive headache trying to tie everything together before the final book and once he overcomes that, he’ll be able to freely write as he knows how it’ll end, he’s stated that he knows how he wants it to end. Let’s hope he gets over that writing block after this and he lives a long time to continue to give us stories in this incredible world.

@imean5399 6 ай бұрын

I feel like George RR Martin is so caught up in trying to not do a popular fan theory despite the fact that the internet has pretty much come up with every possible ending for these characters. Personally I dont care if Winds of Winter ends on exactly the same notes as Game of Thrones. I just think George can write it better than HBO did.

@HUNTE1R1 6 ай бұрын

How can you not finish a book in thirteen years ?????

@MeDecade 6 ай бұрын

Because he's not focusing exclusively on TWOW. He juggles too many projects at once. He did so many appearances and conventions relating to the shows as well as writing episodes and such. I wouldn't be surprised if he's burned himself out more than a few times already. The series most likely would have been finished by now if not for the show. I don't know how his publisher hasn't sued him by now.

@RubyAPBT 6 ай бұрын

@@MeDecade I don't think it is just overwork, I think he may have many ideas but don't like or don't know how to cut some without damaging the plot he want to write. My guess is this book got too big, but he is trying to cramp it in one book. Maybe he should just write it and let people edit it like book x party one and x part 2.

@Dell-ol6hb 6 ай бұрын

Obviously because he's not spending most of his time working on it, not that he should

@pankratos5017 6 ай бұрын

How old are you and how many books have you finished in that time? If your answer is "I haven't ever started one", than you are far, far less capable than someone not finishing the sixth book in a series.

@Vmac1394 6 ай бұрын

@@pankratos5017Most people aren't professional novelists. A professional novelist should be able to handle a page a day in terms of output.

@brucetucker4847 6 ай бұрын

When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves, when your womb quickens again and you bear a living child, then Winds of Winter will be released, and not before.

@silvertiger1324 6 ай бұрын

Just give all the notes to Brandon Sanderson. Yeah boo all you want to, but Sanderson has been writing his own stories and finishing another author's epic story during this same time GRRM has been procrastinating. 😎

@mik9napkin598 6 ай бұрын

I propose A Dream of Spring’s title be changed to Keep Dreamin’

@FloridaManVal 6 ай бұрын

I’ll bet the ending was exactly like the show and he’s been scrambling to rewrite it. Over his whiny bs

@aztecalord007 6 ай бұрын

Winters never coming

@user-yf1fv8pz4s 6 ай бұрын

I really empathize with George as a writer. He wants to write what he'd like but he's stressed knowing if he doesn't finish it the way the fans want he'll be ripped apart. He's really just killing himself trying to finish the series. George loves his world and his characters and if he doesn't like it, he won't put it out. We all know Goerge struggles with severe writers block. I understand everyone is worried he'll never finish it but even if he doesn't, chances are his extended family will be urged to hire a ghostwriter to complete it for him which wouldn't be a bad idea right now as this person wouldn't feel so burnt out with the series. I think George should honestly just write another spin-off like with Dunk and Egg. He really just needs a little something different he can latch onto.

@drawingpatterns9929 6 ай бұрын

Hire Brandon Sanderson!

@drawingpatterns9929 6 ай бұрын

Or maybe Rothfuss. Like, he might feel less stressed finishing someone else's book. And might do a plus to his own series.

@user-yf1fv8pz4s 6 ай бұрын

@drawingpatterns9929 That could actually be a good idea, then he really wouldn't feel so stressed writing the stories. Or maybe he needs a Co-Writer he can write the book with so he doesn't feel so hopeless only using his brain to finish it.

@clovergroom4104 6 ай бұрын

Rothfuss is just as bad on the delays and taking forever! We’ve been waiting for the last book of Kingkiller Chronicles as long as we’ve been waiting for WoW!!!!!!!

@user-yf1fv8pz4s 6 ай бұрын

@@clovergroom4104 I mean he is releasing The Narrow Road Between Desires so that's a plus. I haven't checked on Rothfuss in a while but didn't he say something about the reason he's having such a difficult time is because he's trying reconcile the differences between the original story he had compared to the published version of what he wrote and it's causing him troubles with the story in his mind.

@clydemarshall8095 6 ай бұрын

I’m almost certain I’ll never read A Song of Ice and Fire, but I do feel there is an artistic duty to finish a story once started.

@tokunaremu5238 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for always updating. You're the best. The release of this book must be the most anticipated event after the coming of Jesus Christ. I mean what....?we might as well continue with our lives. 😂. Come Jesus come!

@wherewildthingsgrow 4 ай бұрын

The reason its taken so long is because hes had to completely re write his book, before the final season came out he said he had the ending already fitted and the series will end the same as the books but a few details may be different. He's seen the bad press and how much people hated the ending and realised people hate his story ending, so he is attempting to re write it

@chaoskampf3095 6 ай бұрын

"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves, when the manuscript quickens again, and the last chapter is written. Then 'Winds of Winter' will be finished, and not before."

@lexky1751 6 ай бұрын

I think he saw a the ending of the show and how people hated it and decided he had to change some things. Now he has this huge book that some people are going to hate and it’s going to take a lot of time to change these things.

@chrishass1220 6 ай бұрын

This happens when writers and actors get so popular and rich they no longer care what the fans think

@PSC9634 6 ай бұрын

He must have tremendous demands on his time. No down time can zap a person's creative energy and concentration. GRRM doesn't just write. He creates worlds. This is not an easy skill set. He seems to want a quality product that will not disappoint us or himself.

@shadow_realm47 6 ай бұрын

He doesn't need to create many more worlds. Most of Westeros is fleshed out other than some insignificant parts of the Vale/Reach/Dorne. And in Esos he can do east of Vaes Dothrak but it'll need its own seperate book And the free cities plot haven't been tied down yet so he has no reason to go there.

@colinayers9011 6 ай бұрын

Let us all be honest here...he is taking the piss...

@shadow_realm47 6 ай бұрын

@@colinayers9011 real

@michaelwills1926 6 ай бұрын

The problem is he can’t tie all his worlds back together because he killed off characters for shock value rather than literary flow. The work of a gardener.

@hatchetmouth8211 6 ай бұрын

He also destroys worlds which is what he's been busy doing since the final season of the HBO show.

@user-xt7nx2kb9i 6 ай бұрын

George needs to remember that without his fans he would not be where he is. They have been amazingly dedicated and.patient. He should WANT to to finish FOR his fans who have provided him with a comfortable life instead of belittling their frustration. I can only hope that Winds and Dream are rolled into 1 at this point. Even if we get Winds we will never see Dream.

@rmglover3191 6 ай бұрын

That "A.I." bit was *joltingly* plausible! Sheesh!😮

@TheNemisisx 6 ай бұрын

Im honestly taking this as "ive given up writing the book so stop asking so we can quietly walk away"

@Hochspitz 6 ай бұрын

I don't think George has lost interest in Winds, rather, as a "gardener" writer he has discovered that a lot of weeds have taken hold, which is probably why he keeps ripping up chapters and re-writing rather than moving forward.

@Veylon 6 ай бұрын

When winter comes, the garden and all of it's plants die save for a few perennials. The logical conclusion to the themes of his story is that the White Walkers sweep down and kill damn near everybody. Humanity had it's place, but they complacently indulged in internal feuding and now their time is up. No second chances, no last-minute heroics, no prophecies, they failed and now they die. Nearly all of the characters stories are cut short, half-finished and deprived of meaning. As I understood it, the Red Wedding was originally intended as a foretaste of what was to come. But I think Martin became a victim of his own stories. Culling time has come, and he's reluctant to hold the knife.

@XxDanielaxX 2 ай бұрын

Winter has arrived. 12 years and counting. Still a long time until spring. That's too sad...😢😭💔 Hope he eventually gets it together... 🥺🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

@brooksklepper2853 Ай бұрын

From a business model standpoint it’s brilliant. Keeps the demand high and in the meantime you can be involved with multiple shows, books etc that people will eat up while they’re waiting.

@waynethompson6667 6 ай бұрын

I think he’s written himself into a corner. I doubt very seriously that he will finish “A dream of Spring”.

@shadow_realm47 6 ай бұрын

If you read the last book, it's pretty open ended😅

@tmb1065 6 ай бұрын

No. Its the opposite problem. A corner is when an author has imposed story/world constraints that restrict his character's ability to move to the next plot beat. GRRMs problem is that he has so many threads of the story in so many directions, he can't manage to bring them back together into a coherent plot.

@waynethompson6667 6 ай бұрын

@@tmb1065 - i thought about that too.

@Chivitaa 6 ай бұрын

At this point i think he's still shocked at the amount of hate S8 received, assuming that the ending was in fact his own vision (Mad queen Daenerys especially), he's struggling to make it make sense now. Hard to believe he didnt have a mental map of every plot line and general ending from the beginning, like when JK Rowling said she knew how HP ended before writing all the books...

@davidmb1595 6 ай бұрын

Mad queen Daenerys isn't a bad idea in itself, I wouldn't dislike it if that was the ending of the books, provided it is properly built up. The real problem is the execution in seasons 7 and 8, it was an absolute disaster, it was a good idea they didn't put the effort in, it was terribly done and that is why people hate it.

@equissage9701 6 ай бұрын

@@davidmb1595 Her coming madness was evident in season 1 and built up for all 8 seasons. The fans who didn't like the ending simply didn't see it coming because they didn't pay attention. Every "good" thing she did had a "bad" result. She was self-entitled, never listened to her older MALE advisors, and made mistake after mistake, until she became a rabid dog who had to be put down. Without those dragons, she was just a petulant teenager who would become some unsuspecting man's nightmare. If they had taken her character out of the series, I still would have watched.

@marieg3787 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@equissage9701this is exactly what I’ve been saying! Dany’s madness isn’t that surprising if you were paying attention! (Especially in the books.)

@cosmicprison9819 6 ай бұрын

Did you not get the memo about George being a pantser (or, as he is calling it, “a gardener”)? 😉 And he’s kind of disproving the approach for any other writer thinking of trying it.

@gamingchinchilla7323 6 ай бұрын

I've only ever seen the first two seasons of the tv series (and I've been warned to stray away from season 8 for obvious reasons) and I've never yet touched the books. I'd like to read the books, but I'm admittedly holding off until he releases Winds of Winter. C'mon Martin, don't let this potential new fan of your literary works down :P I'm rooting for ya!

@DarkArkham2 6 ай бұрын

I'm hoping for the best, but as someone late to the waiting game i am not very hopeful about getting these last two books. I hope we do get both books with a satisfying & well thought out conclusion though.

@cy8125 6 ай бұрын

I think he may have been closer, but decided to change things after the negative reactions to the ending of the show- which likely frustrates him, because he likely already knew what he wanted to do but had to redo a lot

@seapeoplesdidnothingwrong1307 6 ай бұрын

I am getting tired of his b s answers. With as much as his novels mean to so many different people, he should feel somewhat obligated to finish what he started. It's completely understandable that he is burnt out on it, but if that is the case, he should hire some writers to help him.

@Charmayne7 6 ай бұрын

Ultimately, I think it would be better if he just came out and said, "Look, I'm tired of this book. I'm stuck, and I'm putting it aside to focus on other things. I'll get to it when I get to it, and if I don't, I don't." And then, someday, we might all get a surprise and see that it's actually available for purchase. But I doubt it.

@MeganFleming-zs9gj 2 күн бұрын

When Martin began ASOIAF, he was in the middle of writing another, unrelated, story. ASOIAF started as a passion for him, a neat idea of a project. Now, it's become a labor. I can't help but think if all of us, and our demands as fans might be playing a part in slowing down, or hindering the artist psyche that started this great piece of work that he began as a passionate art project. Maybe not rush the man, and he might find the passion without being distracted by the stress.

@jaynunes2501 6 ай бұрын

I think we will definitely see the book. It will definitely come out. Posthumously! I think someone will take all of his notes, clean it up and publish it after his death. Whenever that occurs. Will we ever see the end of the series? Probably only if another author finishes it.

@exiaR2x78 6 ай бұрын

Im a big fan of the manga series Berserk, the author Kentaro Miura tragically passed away in 2021 he was 54 from a surprise health issue. He never finished the story. Kentaro Miura was pretty slow with chapter releases due to him both writting the series and doing the art (If you see the quality of the art you can kind of understand why it was slow) as well as slow periods when he transitioned to digital art from pen/paper learning how to use it. George is 75 and overweight I seriously dont see him finishing the A song of ice and fire books, this is just my perspective but I feel the fame the TV shows brought him has side tracked him from the novels way to much.

@gabriellacardosopaiva417 6 ай бұрын

Just like happened with Berserk, Game of Thrones conclusion will be written for someone else. In GoT case the show final will the official final anyways.

@amymcginty6634 6 ай бұрын

He must’ve written himself into so many corners it’s like he’s in a kaleidoscope! There are so many twists & turns & so many characters, I’ll bet he’s rewritten it over many times & just can’t reach a satisfying ending. Whew! What a conundrum! Maybe he should just release several versions… I’d sure read them all!

@chrishartnett8706 Ай бұрын

I feel bad for him. I mean fans were so outraged with the outcome of the show that I’m sure the main parts of were in his planned direction. But with the show cutting out so much of the books and altering aspects of it I think it just wasn’t possible for the show to do his plans Justice. Now he’s trying to figure out how best to please the fans with the books and having to drastically change the story from what he imagined. I really hope he gets to finish the books because they really are fantastic and I think would be up there for greatest series ever written. The detail and descriptions he has in the books is unlike anything else I’ve ever read. You really visualize everything from his writing so well.

@markpjf85 6 ай бұрын

One thing about grrm he is a gardener…things grow and grow lead off to different things reason why he can’t finish it

@judithbradford9130 6 ай бұрын

have you seen what happens to a garden, when the householder gets hooked on dope? Let's just say the necessary watering and weeding is never as important as chasing the next supply, which lets him feel confident everything's fine as long as that supply lasts.

@markpjf85 6 ай бұрын

@@judithbradford9130 yeah spiral out of control specially cannabis growers it get wild and the smell gets strong

@ogmanzfan6934 6 ай бұрын

I think the story in his head continues to grow..the work that the tv show and fame has caused is way more work and demand on his time than he would have ever imagined..he's up in years. I used to be mad at dan n dave how they moved on with out him and S8 of course but maybe they saw he could not put out the material and work as fast as the industry n fans demand...maybe they had little choice to move on but still wish they wouldnt have rushed things and have gave us 12 -13 seasons...idk..i hope he at least has passed on his thoughts and notes to someone he trusts incase something would happen to him so the best story ever will live on and fulfill us all. Right now i just want to have a series every year to watch from this world. HOD, Dunk n Egg, snow..etc...after all it is the greatest story ever put to paper amd film..i dont see it ever being topped...and when we least expect it the book will come..i hope

@schmalzilla1985 6 ай бұрын

Stories will take on a life of there own, I've tried writing many times, i had a rough idea of where it was going with the story, and all of a sudden i had no idea on how i got to where i was, or how to get back to where i needed the story to be, and it was doing it's own thing. So yea i can see him reading something he wrote and Scrapping it.

@nightowl356 6 ай бұрын

you were not completely fair with him, he didn't promise "next year I'm finished" since quite some time. He did once mention a certain deadline and later even acknowleged that this was a mistake and since then never talked about a specific date publicly

@Darthbaldmouse 6 ай бұрын

Robert Jordan’s “wheel of time” had to be finished by another author, I fear that is the fate of “a song of ice and fire”

@furkanbozdag8198 6 ай бұрын

I miss your Game of thrones video's

@RickPat94 6 ай бұрын

"Oh sweet TV child. What do you know of patience? Patience is for the readers, my little binge watcher, when the release date falls back a hundred months and the icy 'nope' comes howling out from the Georges mouth. Patience is for the long waiting, when the writer drops his pen for years at a time, and little fans are born and live and die all bookless while HBO grows gaunt and hungry, and David & Dan move through the woods."

@igor492 4 ай бұрын

It’s sad that he didn’t finish yet. I hope he can have the energy and time to make great new continuation books…

@EmberAwoken 6 ай бұрын

I’m just baffled by this. What other author could take this long and not have fans just leave in frustration?

@RaccoonCityNative 6 ай бұрын

Patrick Rothfuss

@xoler2167 6 ай бұрын

If he were half his age and weight, this waiting wouldn’t be such a problem but clocks ticking not to mention the shows ending so we fans need some better closure than that

@tonshmar 6 ай бұрын

Some of you so called fans are really insensitive. 🙄

@maikelkuiper3712 6 ай бұрын

@@tonshmarappears ur one of them.

@redseaford9426 6 ай бұрын

@tonshmar so called?! I would say they want it more than anyone. Certainly more than George wants to finish

@tonshmar 6 ай бұрын

@@redseaford9426 No. “So called” as in if you’re a fan, then why assume the worse about someone you so greatly admire. All these comments talking about “He’s gonna die before it’s finished” is really uncalled for and insensitive. As if George isn’t already aware of the clock winding down, and the only thing people are thinking about are (THEMSELVES) asking the same redundant azz question. “When will TWOW be finished??”

@Rozes313 6 ай бұрын

I’d never finish the book if I had “fans” like you 🤢

@kingcuckula 6 ай бұрын

It’s never coming to an end. People need to be at peace with that fact.

@luckyadrianhutapea 6 ай бұрын

I feel him. He is not the only writters that has that experienced. He is trying their best fulfill our expectation which is hard

@donniejay8348 6 ай бұрын

I don't think he CAN finish it and he'll die before ever finishing the Winds of Winter, forget ever seeing A Dream of Spring. At this point, I'm done with him. He may get pissy with his fans but it was his FANS that put him where he is today. There are plenty of other great authors out there that don't treat their fans like something nasty they stepped in.

@Leo-ol2cn 6 ай бұрын

imagine being this entitled

@Steve0C 6 ай бұрын

If GRRM passes before it is finished that i think people will crowd fund a unofficial chat GPT or other algorithmic conclusion where people pick and choose the best potential directions the story arcs could go.

@6666Imperator 6 ай бұрын

it feels like he is the same type of writer as me: we love thinking up stories, backgrounds and surroundings. Sometimes that is scary, sometimes you don't see the full picture and then you have to redo some parts later on. I have the luxury of not having published any part of the story I'm working on, so I can always go back and do changes but he can't and to top it off it seems we both don't really like the work of writing all these things actually down :D I just don't like the feeling if I force myself to write X pages a day like Steven King does e.g.

@2000halojones 6 ай бұрын

It will never be finished. We just need to accept that

@Divine_Chareka 6 ай бұрын

Could there be a possibility that he's been writing 2 books at once which is why he took this long?

@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs 6 ай бұрын

no lol

@Divine_Chareka 6 ай бұрын

@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugsjajajajajaja

@jolopolo4761 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, in your dreams

@rigo6156 5 ай бұрын

i dont even care anymore

@TheBayouBabe 6 ай бұрын

I keep wanting to give up, I REALLY do. There's just this sliver of hope that wont go away.😭😭

@Randleray 6 ай бұрын

Wow, twitter as it is, is just a dark pit full of incredible disgusting people. Most fans are frustrated about the brutal delay of the next book... but attacking Martin directly over it?! No matter the topic, everytime I see just something from twitter anywhere, it really provokes my guts because of the sheer despicable individuals there -_-

@CornG4397 6 ай бұрын

I think we could see dreams only because it may not take as long as winds. Call me optimistic but by dreams the story should be wrapping up which makes it easier to write and know what your doing. It would still take years on years but I doubt it will be as complicated for him to write as these last few

@redseaford9426 6 ай бұрын

You sweet summer child

@CornG4397 6 ай бұрын

@@redseaford9426 I've been waiting for half life 3 since 2012 im ok

@mrkevinhaughey 6 ай бұрын

LMFAO. Funny joke.

@shadow_realm47 6 ай бұрын

Bro there are are 7-8 whole story arcs that the show didn't touch which take place before season 7/8 of the show. And season 7/8 are 2 seperate individual books on their own at the very least. So he needs to write about 4 more books to just close out all open plots if he doesn't start new ones😂

@CornG4397 6 ай бұрын

@@shadow_realm47 Im saying this assuming he is endning story lines in winds, stannis for example

@wythewinchester3236 6 ай бұрын

I have been reading this series since1997. Agonizing over when the next book would come out. Now I'm done with it. At least Robert Jordan had an excuse for not finishing The Wheel of Time; thank you Brandon Sanderson. The least GRRM could do is hire Brandon to finish GOT for him. As for any other books GRRM may write. No, not even going to start reading them as he won't finish them in my life time.

@aleugen6045 6 ай бұрын

I'm late to the whole ASOIAF universe, so, maybe, this has been discussed and put aside already: Could it be that the TV rights contract prevents new books to be released for the next N years after show end in case they diverge/contradict/put in a bad light the TV show storyline?

@octaviohenrique6079 5 ай бұрын

I still have hope !!!!

@SitKid721 6 ай бұрын

Well it's about time we stop supporting anything he does until it's done.

@lindaw4579 6 ай бұрын

I remember watching an interview where Martin complained about having to work under a deadline in his early career. He ended with the suggestion to writers to ignore everyone and write under their own speed. I always had the feeling that Martin was thumbing his nose/giving the finger to the fans, publishers, etc. Now, I'm convinced he's stalling on purpose.

@jenniferpearce1052 6 ай бұрын

Personally, all this nagging would be an emotional hurdle to get over. Every time I sat down to write, I'd think of all the naggers and be irritated and want to do anything but write.

@equissage9701 6 ай бұрын

@@jenniferpearce1052 Nagging? If publishing companies did not expect authors to stick to deadlines and deliver their manuscripts on time, no one ever would. As for the fans, they are the ones who buy the books, buy the movie tickets and pay for cable subscriptions.

@jenniferpearce1052 6 ай бұрын

@@equissage9701 Publishing companies have contracts and have every right to nag. Fans, not so much. I would want to say "up yours" to fans complaining that I might die before I finish. My life is worth more than you getting a book, and if you value my humanity so little, then I don't really care about your desires. I think fans have a right to the things they have purchased, but he is under no obligation to them to create more.

@equissage9701 6 ай бұрын

@@jenniferpearce1052 He has made that perfectly clear. He is lying to protect himself. I doubt that he is capable of running from an angry mob.

@legrandliseurtri7495 6 ай бұрын

@@jenniferpearce1052 Of course a life is worth more than a book, but saying that you're worried he could die before being done with the series isn't presenting a choice between a life or a book. He'll die at some point, just like everyone else, unless humanity finds a way to make ourselves immortal in the next few decades. Hoping that he finishes the series before that happens isn't saying that his book is more important than his life, it's stating that not finishing his book would be a consequence of not being alive anymore.

@GeorgeEugeneBarrett 2 ай бұрын

I just hope his outline and notes are released when he passes on so we can get some resolutions.

@jamesford2192 2 ай бұрын

I remember 4 years ago fans of Martin would criticize people who criticized Martin for not finishing. Well look now, we were right. We’re never getting winds of winter and we’re certainly not getting dream of spring. What a tragic lack of ending