Our 2024 Second Base Tier List (with Jolly Olive)

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4 ай бұрын

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@becomingchase 4 ай бұрын

"In truth what are we doing?" I love when Jake gets existential

@FTLnovaKid 4 ай бұрын

24:25

@Roysorb 4 ай бұрын

I think jolly musta been too young to appreciate Uggla. Having a guy who looked like live action Popeye go on a 33 game hit streak was magical.

@samuelclayton08 4 ай бұрын

"Go buy your car from Ozzie Albies" Lmao, trust me, you'll enjoy when the context hits

@clachapelle 4 ай бұрын

It is frustrating how UNDERRATED OZZIE ALBIES IS!!!!!!

@S0appy-t8w 4 ай бұрын

Tweaker

@starfox6493 4 ай бұрын

Not even a Braves fan and I agree. Should be in the "Could win MVP" tier

@Smabe777 4 ай бұрын

@@starfox6493yep thinking the same as a cards fan

@wwpjd28 4 ай бұрын

⁠maybe on a different team. You can’t win MVP as the 4th best hitter max and 6th or 7th best player on your own team (Acuna, Olson, Riley clear easily as hitters and Strider, Fried and probably Sean as players).

@SkanMLL 4 ай бұрын

Sad part is, if he wasnt in such a STACKED lineup, he'd also be getting 30 stolen bases, but hes never gonna steal with olson and riley right behind him in the lineup.

@ssjdaiko739 4 ай бұрын

I'm not saying Ozzie is better than the top 3( although him and semien had basically the same ops and ops+) but he could be a top 5 mvp guy for most teams and is just over shadowed by monsters like olson, riley, and of course your reigning NL MVP Ronald Acuña Jr. I'm think Ozzie might jump up a bit with his offensive production this season and show us that ATL's big 3 is more like a big 4

@christopherbridges9292 4 ай бұрын

Ozzie can put up 40 bombs, last year was a warmup after the foot injury

@codykline8613 4 ай бұрын

Lol I loved BBD's "I dont want to argue with you if you made a video on Adam Frazier." jab at Jolly. Beautiful.

@kanikid1679 4 ай бұрын

Crazy to drop Stott a tier. I urge you to watch the way he moves on the field and in the box, he's got the stuff.

@mlande14 4 ай бұрын

He just doesn't belong in a tier with Marte and Albies at this point

@benjaminappel2939 4 ай бұрын

Jordan Westburg put up 1.2 WAR in his first 60ish games. He might not hit more than 20 homers a year bc camden yards new dimensions but he was on pace for 40 doubles and 5 triples. When he starts stealing more he's going to be a problem.

@official_haden 4 ай бұрын

Always love a Jilly Goggles ep!

@nickkowal619 4 ай бұрын

If there was ever a guy that I would consider a Foolish Bailey specialty....its Darwin Barney

@lukedecourville5557 4 ай бұрын

Jays legend

@MrGrammarPolice 4 ай бұрын

Thairo had 3.9 WAR in 120 games. Dude has 20-20 potential with amazing range and smooth play now that he's used to 2nd. That's crazy you'd even consider him an Adam Frazier when Fraizers never even had 3 war in a season. Company is hilarious east coast. Probably should hire some people who don't only watch the AL/NL east.

@Sergio-qe2dm 4 ай бұрын

They only look at bWAR not fWAR

@MrGrammarPolice 4 ай бұрын

@@Sergio-qe2dm makes it even worse. I'd put money that neither of them watched a west coast game that wasn't playing against their own team or the dodgers.

@Sergio-qe2dm 4 ай бұрын

@@MrGrammarPolice definitely. I thought it was common knowledge that you should use more than one source when doing research. In baseball we have 3 great resources baseball reference, statcast, and fangraphs why not look at them all?

@MrGrammarPolice 4 ай бұрын

@@Sergio-qe2dm too time consuming I guess, these dudes are all on like 6 podcasts a week they don't have time to do research probably and/or watch teams that aren't their own and pay attention to all the story lines. Just kinda tough when they paint themselves as talking all of baseball, when everything west of St Louis is chopped liver.

@Sergio-qe2dm 4 ай бұрын

@@spencers294 HUH??? Who’s talking about mookie??? If you scroll down through the comments you can see I was comparing him to Stott who he has nearly identical offensive numbers but better defense

@j66gv 4 ай бұрын

As someone who watched a lot of Darwin Barney in 2012 his defenseive numbers were inflated by the Cubs being early adopters of the shift.

@carsonblythe8604 4 ай бұрын

Hold your beer! the second base tier list is out yall

@brockbertelsen9014 4 ай бұрын

Love the tier list vids

@joshcreel3835 4 ай бұрын

Best content on the world wide web. Keep em coming.

@kebobs3727 4 ай бұрын

We love Nico Hoerner in this family

@dumbguyheath4264 4 ай бұрын

Estrada was a beast before his two stints on the IL. So if healthy this year he will jump up a couple tiers

@powerhitter033 4 ай бұрын

Gorman is going to have an insane year. Hold me to it.

@thisbechris 4 ай бұрын

Bryson Stott is a saint!

@alexanderlisk3746 4 ай бұрын

The bad stretch in the middle of the season Bogaerts had last year that you guys mentioned was because of injury by the way. He was hit on the wrist by a Spencer Strider fastball towards the end of April and didn't receive a cortisone shot until the All-Star Break, which coincided with when his numbers started to trend up again. When he was fully healthy, he was absolutely raking.

@Bruc_eTheBear 4 ай бұрын

I see that they only have 6 catagories, so I hover over the time bar to see if they add more later on and I get jump scared by 9 tiers

@kristiansieradzki3803 4 ай бұрын

B Lowe IF big IF, can be healthy, easily top 5 2B in baseball. 2000 PA, 11th all time OPS+ at 2B. Its insane how good he is when he doesn’t have weird freak accidents like fouling a ball off his knee cap like last year.

@Sergio-qe2dm 4 ай бұрын

Man I thought Jake was a Thairo truther smh. According to fangraphs thairo and stott are practically the same. Same exact war (3.9) same exact wrc+ and if you look at statcast thairo has more OAA and has a higher fielding run value. And this was all while playing 30 less games than Stott. If it wasn’t for Jolly Olly’s Mets breaking his hand he would’ve had an even better season. He came back from that injury very slowly and completely ruined his offensive numbers

@dylankrejci9965 4 ай бұрын

As a second baseman growing up, I’m super excited about the state of the position. I feel like everyone is either a solid proven starter, or a young guy with potential who just has to prove it. Nico Hoerner is my favorite player, but honestly if I were a manager I’d be genuinely happy with pretty much any of these guys

@N0isybag 4 ай бұрын

Great list.

@davidwindell 4 ай бұрын

I think Andres Gimenez is essentially universally underrated. He’s put up 12 bWAR the last 2 seasons. His hitting dropped off last year during the first half but he was exceptional once again in the second half, he’s good for 15HR and 25SB, and oh yeah- he’s a platinum glove. Gimenez is an excellent 2B and is in my top 5 in MLB.

@tommylinehan3497 4 ай бұрын

Jolly forgetting about Niko Goodrum when he said Nico Hoerner is the inly Nico in history.

@mediocregameplays6612 4 ай бұрын

Astros legend Niko goodrum

@dylankrejci9965 4 ай бұрын

Hoern dog > alcoholic

@bradbaker8688 4 ай бұрын

Glad we showing respect to Marcus

@CapnChillV 4 ай бұрын

13:29 hahaha Jake’s reaction cracked me up

@MrGrammarPolice 4 ай бұрын

Andres Gimenez had 3.6 Fwar, 0.3 behind Thairo who is being comped to Adam Frazier 😂😂😂😂

@Snazzeo 4 ай бұрын

Hello and welcome to Jake and Jack

@joshcreel3835 4 ай бұрын

Oh I was here for Wake n Jack, my bad

@yetigonecrazy 4 ай бұрын

Jolly pairs so well with everyone. Love him when he guest spots here, love him on Baseball Today and love him on Talkin Baseball. Such a powerhouse for Jomboy Media.

@TxKALDORxT 4 ай бұрын

Altuve injury was also not his durability. He got hit by a pitch

@user-kp5wk6jq5y 4 ай бұрын

As an Orioles fan - I hope that Westburg becomes the guy, but I wouldn't argue with anything you guys said :D. I will say, I would like Jackson Holliday to play 2nd, Westburg 3rd, and Gunnar stay at short. Gunnar is incredible defensively and I would want him to stay at SS.

@dylanlasher5022 4 ай бұрын

Absolute thairo disrespect. Wth jake youre better than this

@AnnPorkins 4 ай бұрын

fWAR pegged him at nearly 4.0 WAR despite the injuries and dip in offense when he came back (he also had a higher fWAR than Arraez, for what it’s worth). It’s not an exact science, but it illustrates that Thairo’s defense was quietly wonderful last year. If he’s healthy, he’s 4.0 WAR easy, if not an All Star. You can tell these guys didn’t watch the great strides Thairo made defensively, as he fits in their early argument that a good defender with an OPS+ of 100 is going to rack up some WAR… that’s Thairo’s floor, if anything. But let the rest of the league sleep on the right side of the Giants’ infield at their own peril, as Thairo and LaMonte are sneaky solid.

@davidbennett2785 4 ай бұрын

Stotty!! Lets gooooo

@amwchicago5276 4 ай бұрын

Barney was my idol when I was a kid cause I couldn’t hit for my life but could pick it with the glove.

@schlootle 4 ай бұрын

Kinda crazy how Semien led the AL in hits with a .276 average. Shows that being ironman and being there every day will increase the counting stats. Being on one of the best offensive teams and having the most plate appearances also helps.

@Rubaseball24 4 ай бұрын

New Tier for the in between 4 WAR been there Before

@RustyShackleford-yn2gl 4 ай бұрын

I like these categories. And I agree with Gorman at Uggla.

@lanceenchainte4890 4 ай бұрын

31 stolen bases for Bryson Stott…on a team that is amongst the least aggressive on the bases in 2023. If they get a little more aggressive, he could easily get 40.

@IanDavis-he4hf 4 ай бұрын

Do y’all mind cutting to the graphic on KZfaq like once every ten minutes? That be huge papi

@ryguycheese 4 ай бұрын

What position are you gonna put Brandon drury at?

@joshuaphagan2499 4 ай бұрын

I will say, as a Braves fan Vaughn Grissom can play absolutely zero defense lol. -13 OAA in 64 games.

@evanwalker3513 4 ай бұрын

I don’t know what OAA is but I watched a lot of Vaugh Grissom and yeah, he’s ass at defense.

@doctorSpitfire 4 ай бұрын

@@evanwalker3513 "Outs Above Average" (basically how many plays he makes/doesn't make compared to others at his position)

@redheadman210 4 ай бұрын

Holy shit guys baseball games tomorrow

@Beef266 4 ай бұрын

Y'all must've been talking about a pre-Atlanta Dan Uggla, because his bat died when he came to the Braves.

@seanfloody3282 4 ай бұрын

Somebody please tell all these JM people that his name is Vaughn GriSSom, not Grisham. Like Marquis Grissom, not Trent Grisham.

@Redsoxgaming 3 ай бұрын

Grissom

@cheetofingersbum 4 ай бұрын

Eduardo Julien is a 2nd base version of Joey Votto. Dude walks a ton

@peterharris6409 4 ай бұрын

Ozzie Albies is a potential MVP guy I think. He could definitely have a year like that

@dylankrejci9965 4 ай бұрын

It’s tough tho when your teammates are Acuña, Olson, and Riley. God, the Braves are stacked

@seank13 4 ай бұрын

Known Oregon state legend Darwin Barney

@Da_peaches 4 ай бұрын

Do shortstops or right field next please!

@RottenPretzel42 4 ай бұрын

I feel Ozzie deserves a category above 4 war easy called The Most VALUEable Player

@ardenmawdesley4236 3 ай бұрын

100% agree, I could maybe swap Altuve and Albies but I dont think Albies will be MVP just bc of what team he is on and he's in the NL, where you have the dodgers big three. As an O's fan, Westy is probably gonna be our 3rd baseman after we get Holiday up, but Westy already looking amazing, hit a walk of homer last night, so man is gonna be amazing. O's are the next Braves.

@starfox6493 4 ай бұрын

Brandon Lowe was injured for parts of the last two seasons. He was great in 2021 and 2020. If healthy, he puts up 4 WAR easy.

@EpicGamer14_ 4 ай бұрын

Arraez should be in Dan Uggla. Good hitter but not a good defender. He’s also only had a couple seasons just above 4 war so I don’t think he’s 4 war easy.

@cheetofingersbum 4 ай бұрын

It's too bad he doesn't have better speed either. It would make him a much more dangerous player

@baileysmith4744 4 ай бұрын

Luis Arraez may not be an easy 4 WAR but he belongs closer to the MVP talks than any other player outside of the top 3 2B (Betts, Semien, Altuve). two batting titles in a row is no joke. an .861 OPS is insane, and the argument that he is just a singles hitter means nothing when his OPS is higher than guys who hit homers but thats it (Schwarber, Soler, Hernandez). there is so much to like about a .354 batting average, 35 walks to 34 strikeouts, almost as many doubles as strikeouts with 30 (more extra base hits than strikeouts in the season), and 71 runs, 69 RBIs on a team that isnt known for manufacturing runs outside of a Soler bomb. id rather him than any other 2B other than that top 3

@dannygibson2597 4 ай бұрын

Where is Brendan Donovan? 4.2 WAR as a rookie in 2022

@bartcooper2920 4 ай бұрын

I am expecting a little bit of regression from McLain but he had 3.7 war in 89 games last year. As long as he avoids major injury I don’t see him finishing below 4 war

@jacksonschumann6018 4 ай бұрын

I'm just curious, most likely Nolan Gorman will be DH most the year for the Cards, making Brendan Donovan the primary 2B. Where would he fall? I would like to to think at lest the third tier.

@freddygraffam6463 4 ай бұрын

Michael Massey got shafted in this

@shawnkildal3151 3 ай бұрын

Did I miss the Rockies Brandon Rogers ranking??

@SkanMLL 4 ай бұрын

Great list, no major complaints. Sad part is, if Ozzie was on another team, he'd be in MVP Contention because he could easily still 30+ bases, hes faster than Acuna is.. but since he has riley and olson after him ...stealing is just a dumb idea.

@evanmelendez0627 4 ай бұрын

Prolly should’ve been 4 WAR potential under 4 WAR easy but that’s just me being picky. I agree with pretty much every category

@erc6943 4 ай бұрын

Loving these but are we getting a foolish episode any time soon? Missing “Baseball’s Mouth of the South” Bailey Dixon Aiken Freeman.

@nickfb92 4 ай бұрын

37:25 Niko Goodrum would like a word

@Jacob_Ray 4 ай бұрын

Jake back to pronouncing Grissom as Grisham.

@adamknudsen.41 4 ай бұрын

DARWIN BARNEY MENTIONED ‼️🗣️👀

@SlickWilly85 4 ай бұрын

Would anyone want to do a fantasy baseball league? It would be fun to get some Talkin Baseball leagues going

@odinson1962 4 ай бұрын

Thairo disrespect :(

@jake3198 4 ай бұрын

Im sorry but Altuve not being in the top tier is insane and I’m not even a Astros fan bruh

@Quijoteb 4 ай бұрын

Altuve didn’t get hurt. He got hit

@glucosaminecondroitan9135 4 ай бұрын

Did these take over Jake's top 10 and 1 one worst?

@colethorpe5068 4 ай бұрын

🚨🚨🚨Salt Lake City mentioned🚨🚨🚨

@aidanbriggs4259 4 ай бұрын

I mean he’s kinda just Adam Frazier

@arielarieltch 4 ай бұрын

Babe Schneider not mentioned 😢

@24n8 4 ай бұрын

I'm angry about that Albies deal all over again. JFC

@henrygagnon1547 4 ай бұрын

Jake is the best

@jacobfunkhouser6600 4 ай бұрын

These videos beat the hell out of that stupid shredder shit on mlb network

@jaredfreeley8283 4 ай бұрын

Lowe’s a 4 War easy bc he’s got good defense

@logan_2183 4 ай бұрын

Matt McLain in the same tier as Jeff McNeil lmfao

@brapblap0429 3 ай бұрын

cubs legend darwin barney

@nicelguapo4482 4 ай бұрын

Darwin Barney Dodgers legend

@bassface8105 4 ай бұрын

I'm just glad Matt McLain is the reds second baseman and not Johnathan, haha.

@jacksmithpxp 4 ай бұрын

Calling Thairo Estrada a 2 WAR guy after a 3.9 WAR season feels disrespectful

@nickschuman4652 4 ай бұрын

Crawford box merchant

@alex24402 4 ай бұрын

someone teach jake how to say Grissom

@Hauntz_er 4 ай бұрын

I am a Rays fan and god forbid you put Lowe anywhere else but Dan Uggla

@clachapelle 4 ай бұрын

It is a car wash and it owned by Acuna Jr not Ozzie.....

@kevinfrazier5634 4 ай бұрын

Matt McLain is an easy 4 war guy

@jaredfreeley8283 4 ай бұрын

Stotts Barney and Ozzie is pretty bad defensively(OAA) but is still probably 4 war>Uggla

@probablysam2744 4 ай бұрын

Cavan Biggio and not Davis Schneider lmfao

@asdfaeou 4 ай бұрын

There's at least an argument (I'm not saying a good one) for Arraez as Dan Uggla. He's...not a good second baseman.

@Dabull81 4 ай бұрын

Nico is a dawwwwwgggg

@rjo350937 4 ай бұрын

Missing KC?!?!?! Michael Massey

@rustyalbrecht3034 4 ай бұрын

Watching Polanco his entire career, his defense is below par. He was a SS when he started, and played at third during last season's playoffs, and almost cost the Twins if it weren't for Carlos Correa. He's 100% a "Dan Uggla"

@jaredfreeley8283 4 ай бұрын

McLain is 4 war easily if he plays 162