@@georgepanathas2009He repeated in so many talks so many times "we are discussing together. Not me telling you or you telling me." He often phrased his "field of thought" in the form of questions so that one can discover it alone and therefore need no authority. If it's true then it is true and K's specific view of it is irrelevant to fact.

G.James ,,,,I agree with you 100% . Krishnamurti was not the person to overcome somebody . He was a teacher ,i think ,not a conquistador .

Nobody can throw off Krishnamurti. He is on the top of mountain of Truth.

All krishnamurti is saying is that there is no difference between flowers and thrones..but Huston Smith is being a fragment person says that flower is good and thrones are bad...Just look at it sir 😂😂...saying this is good and other is bad is the nature of fragmented mind..

@G.James Agreed. Krishnamurti has a WALK WITH ME APPROACH and Huston was very set in his way, which aren't his way at all but as Krishnamurti said CONDITIONED!

Great point

Sydebern, you provided such a beautiful description of what I observed as well. I am glad that I saw that interview because I had a lot of difficulty trying to understand Jiddu Krishnamurti. A light bulb went off today after watching the video from the 1968 video. Being raised in the west, we are so conditioned with the media, society, etc. on what happiness and love is.

Thank you

Needs more highlighting.

@Fanabud Rogh idk. All I would say is that judging others, given our limitations of knowledge and understanding, seems quite a waste of energy. (BTW, I don’t even remember this vid from 6 years ago 😉)

and as k meets him for the 2nd time he already knew that this guy is not able to grasp what he said so he mate him in a way as the guy thought off...

Perfect observation!!!

+miracle2332 but also probably not possible for most of us.....maybe even for him.

agree with you but, and so ?

Very true, one of the things I’ve noticed by listening to k, when I’m actually listening I’ve found that any explanation of thought even if it’s absolutely correct isn’t enough to make thought aware of its nature. This is where that frustrating duality comes. The meditation that was part of their interview was an attempt by k to make smith look into the nature of his own thinking. Eventually we come to a point where the question becomes who or what is it that thinks? The answer becomes what ever I think about is thought, which means when I have a thought about myself, even my entire life and all the things I’ve experienced.. when I’m having that thought, the one having the thought is the thought that it’s “having”. we immediately reject this. We like to think we exist outside of thought, and it seems like that’s true. But if I examine the thought that I as I know myself, or I as I don’t know myself am completely independent of thinking then there are 2 outcomes: I am independent of thought, or there is a realization that everything I am under any circumstance is purely thought. When I exist, I can’t be anything other than thought. The fact that I’m a human is a fact, I know that fact by thought. Every human has the same brain more or less. There’s nothing in the brain that is the physical “me”. It doesn’t exist. Yet we value the “me” infinitely more than any fact, like the fact of the brain, or anything that simply is. Meditation is coming to terms with the “me”.. it’s the me meeting the now. It’s meeting the now as it’s being generated, it’s not meeting an idea of the now, or an idea based off of meeting the now as it’s generated. This is the split between k and another. K speaks from this generation. The me needs to actually see this process and voluntarily die to the now, that’s where the idea of resurrection and transcendence comes. But the me even hearing this will not do it because it loves the flesh and the world in the Christian sense. From here we get lost in religious language and back into the process of the me. We can understand this with words. We always try to understand with words and symbols and idols because we think if we understand by thought then we can bypass needing to die to the now and yet experience that thing. We can’t, there’s absolutely nothing you can do except see. And that’s terrifying. Simply put, thought is so cunning in its desire to live that it created you. Smith wouldn’t see this so he never got to share the process of realization with k.

The only way "new" thought can happen is for it to be a absense of thought to create a new. Example Nikola Tesla.

But you've got something called a consciousness, so thoughts can be new.

Full interview here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZrdnqKR8x9nLoH0.html

JK would address every man as sir in his talks and interviews. And he was not being ruthless, just taking him through a path where he could snap out of his preconceived ideas, and that's not pleasant for anyone.

I'm sorry but that's absurd. That is how K acts in ALL his interviews. He always uses the word "sir" to address the other. It's a sign of respect, I dont know how you've managed to think that it isn't.

@@counterintuitivepanda4555 It's my opinion and I stand by it four years later.

I agree but at least he got an interview

Andre Louro Almeida Conferencias what do mean "obsessed"???????????

+sandwichappy OKEY FINE YOU DISAGREE. BUT YOU MUST AGREE THAT FOR HUMAN TO GET FREE HIS MIND SHOULD BE FREE OF ALL FEARS, ANXIETY, ANGER ETC. FOR ACHIEVING THIS OUR MIND SHOULD BE FREE OF ALL THE THOUGHTS(CONDITIONING). TO CLEAN THE MIND THERE ARE TWO FOLLOWING OPINIONS. 1. TO GO THROUGH OLD SCRIPTURES, ANALYSE THEM. LIKE HINDU SCRIPTURES, BUDDHISM, CHRISTIANITY AND SO ON. AND TRY TO FIND ANY SOLUTIONS.(OPINION OF HUSTON SMITH AND MOST OF THE GURUS) 2. EACH HUMAN HIMSELF CLEAR HIS OWN MIND OF ALL THE CONDITIONING.(OPINION OF J.KRISHNAMURTHY, ARROGANT AS PER YOU) IF YOU ANALYSE BOTH J.K 'S OPINION IS THE ONLY POSSIBILITY IN FREEING THE MIND. TO FREE MIND MEANS TO CLEAR ALL THE THOUGHTS WHICH ARE IN THE FORM OF WORDS. THIS CAN NOT BE DONE BY READING BIBLE OR QURAN OR HINDU SCRIPTURES. BECAUSE THESE WILL ADD SOME MORE WORDS IN OUR MIND AND WE CAN NOT BE FREE. TO CLEAN THE DUST WE CAN NOT USE SOME MORE DUST, BUT WE HAVE TO WIPE IT OUT. THIS IS J.K'S. MESSAGE. THIS IS LOGICAL SOLUTION. HUSTON SMITH WANTS TO LIVE IN OLD SCRIPTURES ALL HIS LIFE. ANALYZING INTERPRETING ETC. WHICH IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE ANY PROBLEM.

Houston Smith was a brilliant, insightful, caring individual. You would know this if you read his books and watched his presentations. Krishnamurti's message is only clear to those who can put away their past and listen with all their attention in the moment. This is not an easy thing to comprehend on the first try, as Smith was trying to do.

Oh come now, that is an opinion...lose the caps..it is not effective.

I watched the interview, and it hasn't anything to do with me thinking Smith needed to be agreeing with JK. He says here that within 30 seconds of the interview he realized he had no idea where JK's 'head was at'. He somehow knew where all those other luminaries' heads we at. That tells me he had no idea of JK's ideas. So either he had not boned up on JKs ideas before the interview OR Smith was merely a victim of western thought and rhetoric himself and therefore had no imagination therefore ability to "tease" anything out of JK. Maybe because his westernized perspective, ultimately, couldn't value a perspective that to its root challenges western thought and tradition itself.

Rondereeo mon thak hippio hippi nush.

" but there are some fundamental flaws in his reasoning." what kind of?

@@MuharremSari That flaw is language.. Truth can't be described in language..That's y he said until we experience it directly..

@@uoykcufelohssa72 But K does it. He explain everything until the silence, and yeah silence and it's effect cannot be described.

@@MuharremSari After three years bro😁😂

@@MuharremSari Have a great time though..😊 Peace✌

I watched that interview. Jk always tried to observe the fact. But always Smith tried to make a logic or ideas upon it. And he failed to understand.

In all fairness to Huston Smith he was conducting an interview and was not being prepared to act as a student of a teacher.

... as a German Biologist ... I studied this confrontation - and I am appalled about the arrogance and tyranny of JK. In any "discussion" you see- the other MUST surrender to the High Priest - or you are doomed... despicably... makes me allergic...

Hi! He points out many times that he is not talking about right or wrong. When he mentions "do it" he talks about putting the questions to yourself and not wait for an answer from him that you might accept or not. To "do it", is to be aware of what is happening inside your own mind, and from there discover further parts than the thinking mind. Cheers

No, that is a flaw of the listener, not of the speaker. If someone says, "do not follow me", and you choose to follow his advice to not follow him - you have created that gap, not the speaker. No matter what K says, that flaw will exist if the listener chooses to have it (or more accurately, if the listener is unconscious to it). Moreover, it is really a flaw of thought, logic and language. It, in fact, creates a paradox which is only present when we exercise our systems of thinking to try and understand it. "Do not follow me" has the added unconscious layer of "I am following you" and therefore "i will not follow you". That "inconsistency he cannot answer for" is a flaw of our language and logic. Exactly how "observer without observed" really makes no sense if you try and see it with logic. How can there be an observed without an observer? Absurd. It can only be when you are "living" it, and not trying to think about it and understand it. Bohm pointed this out very intelligently. It's exactly the same as our attempts to be free of, say, fear. Everyone (including K) tell us that to be free of fear, we must face it directly. However, we go on to try and face it, only with the added unconscious of desire: "in facing it, I want to not feel it anymore". I say this in my honest experience of listening to K (among others) for a long time, then being fed up of not getting anywhere. I stopped listening, and eventually... found myself getting a glimpse of the light on my own. Everything K says is 100% correct. In fact, there are many others who are great teachers. However, they can never lead you to freedom unless it comes from within.