Pyat Pree Did Nothing Wrong

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14 күн бұрын

Was Pyat Pree a scheming villain trying to trap Daenerys forever in the house of the undying of a misunderstood tragic character who has had it about as bad as anyone in these books?
Today I want to take a little look at A Song of Ice and Fire from the viewpoint of Pyat Pree and take the side that he did nothing wrong and Dany burned his whole life down before he ever turned against her. This is a big change from Game of Thrones and I feel like the text makes a lot more sense if you read it as Pyat Pree and the undying ones were not trying to trap Daenerys in the house of the undying.

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@beevie4081 13 күн бұрын

Poor Piat. He just wanted to leach power from his undead captives in peace!

@Caramelo23606 13 күн бұрын

Well, You gotta make the title interesting

@SweetheartQuest 9 күн бұрын

you just described all the worlds governments and politicians practically

@Paul_Caruana 13 күн бұрын

You make a lot of valid points, but if the guy was keeping the undying in some form of torment and slavery just to power his magic, I’d say he got what he deserved!

@UberFoX 10 күн бұрын

For all you know the undying ones could be hitler/stalin types and you want them freed from torment?

@fibonaccino69 13 күн бұрын

Dragons burning undying slaves that just want it to end? Who else is undying and maybe just wants it all to end and also might be strapped to a tree? Hmmmmm

@cherylbaxter8986 13 күн бұрын

This has the Others written all over it

@carsonland6874 13 күн бұрын

Exactly what I came here to say. Pree is an analogue of Bloodraven. He's a sorcerer who is sapping powers from eternal magical prisoners, those magical prisoners are reaching out to messiah figures in order to be freed. Could it be that the other "dreamers" hooked into the Weirwood net are are using the same method as the Undying Ones here? Are they are casting their shadows (the Others) to provoke someone capable of magically destryoing them? Hmmmm indeed.

@GhostEmblem 2 күн бұрын

When we first met them in the prologue of GoT the others seem quite jovial and unbothered. They are also mocking but nothing about them seems like they are wishing for ddeath.

@tk423b 13 күн бұрын

The HotU was not up to fire code. Had it been, the house could have been saved. It is known.

@Kobraa0001 13 күн бұрын

hotu is the anti harrenhall

@Lord_Taron_Texas 13 күн бұрын

It is known

@harukasuzuhara8491 13 күн бұрын

For the worksite is dark, and full of OSHA violations…

@orlanswf 9 күн бұрын

it is known

@Lord_Taron_Texas 9 күн бұрын

It is known....

@TinfoilMaester 13 күн бұрын

"Undying vampire who sits in a dark gloomy chamber, drinking from the heart and waiting for death" is an exact description of Damon Julian from GRRM's *Fevre Dream.*

@drunkengrumkin1315 11 күн бұрын

And Volantis is clearly New Orleans.

@VAL420 Күн бұрын

I'm pretty sure Interesting Nerd Club has an episode about that vampire, now that you mention it.

@TinfoilMaester 22 сағат бұрын

@drunkengrumkin1315 Ooh I like that. The fetid epicenter of the slave trade. Plus bit of Natchez on the Hill/Natchez under the Hill with Black Wall's strict class stratification

@TinfoilMaester 22 сағат бұрын

@VAL420 gotta give check 'em out. Got anything you recommend as a starting point?

@anneconner1108 13 күн бұрын

I’m someone who watched the show first then the books. I’m prolly on my 4th re read and let me tell you this was one of those scenes from the show that I just got a lazy vibe from. Literally no reason they couldn’t have stuck to the book more. Really really love this Danny chapter, prolly in my top 5 favorite of hers and the show did not do it justice at all.

@cherylbaxter8986 13 күн бұрын

😢 I totally agree that's one of my favorite Danny chapters when I first listened to her chapters this the undying i was very confused she had Drogon with her as the show version made no sense

@emrek99205 13 күн бұрын

Exactly why would he bring her to the tower? What sort of goal was that? He wouldn't gain anything from it. Maybe he was just showing off his cool stuff, but I doubt it. Seems more like he was lied to by the Undying into bringing her there. The instructions could have been given to him by the Undying to tell her. While he didn't do anything wrong, he did get played.

@pyramidion5911 13 күн бұрын

Grrm often explains things by showing us what happened in a similar situation but with completely different people. The question then becomes who else could this situation apply to? Melisandre comes to mind, maybe a few others.

@Bleilock1 9 күн бұрын

@@pyramidion5911 victarion

@pinecrustjuise 9 күн бұрын

@@Bleilock1 this works, but due to Martin's emergent writing style I really doubt at this point in time, he had fleshed out Victarion's character enough, or at all to begin setting up foreshadowing. This is further made unlikely because theres evidence to suggest Martin planned to kill Victarion off well before he meets the priest that most closely relates to the phantasmagoria covered in this video.

@Bleilock1 9 күн бұрын

@@pinecrustjuise i dont know about you but it was dead obvious victarion is going to die from the first sentance of his first chapter The question was, are there any characters being played and victarion is the best example of entire series, and again i dunno about you, but such naive clueless and not smart characters usually die very quick, dunno why thats a surprise for you or why you expected him to live He isnt smart, quite the opposite And id say he is pretty flashed out if he is already ready to die

@pinecrustjuise 9 күн бұрын

@@Bleilock1 There is literal evidence to support Martin planned to kill of Victarian, this isn't conjecture, there are records of correspondence between Martin and his editor where he says he plans to kill off Victarion. He's obviously changed his mind for now, but my point was that at the time of writing Clash of Kings, Martin most likely did not have much to anything planned for Victarion and as such would not being spending an entire chapter foreshadowing his coming venture, books later.

@jakebrooks3415 13 күн бұрын

Interpreting the undying - uh - dying as essentially suicide by cop is interesting. I like it! But I think the movements of the undying are simply them writhing in pain from being set on fire. Still very cool interpretation. I still think that the undying gave Daenerys a prophecy, a huge opportunity, and then basically tried to Harvey Weinstein her on the way out

@tacogaviglio575 13 күн бұрын

What's next? Mirri Maz Duur, did nothing wrong? (That wasn't sarcastic. Make that next)

@j.c.jeggis1818 13 күн бұрын

Regardless of how justified she was, my favourite thing about that storyline is how there’s a solid chance that Mirri Maz Durr didn’t really intend on killing Drogo/Rhaego, it was just the result of Drogo and then Jorah failing to follow her very clear instructions (keep the poultice on, no alcohol, stay out of the tent).

@Alknix 12 күн бұрын

@@j.c.jeggis1818 And yet she doesn't even try to raise these points in her defense - only justify her actions and mock Dany.

@thing_under_the_stairs 12 күн бұрын

@@Alknix She knows she's dealing with an autocrat who's not going to listen no matter what she says, and after everything she's been through, her life isn't worth much to her anymore. She says that part right out - Dany never saved her from much of anything.

@Alknix 3 күн бұрын

@@thing_under_the_stairs Understandable, but there was still the matter of her death. Even being burned alive was pretty tame compared to what the Dothraki COULD HAVE done to her. I'm surprised she didn't simply kill herself with the same dagger she used in the ritual. But pissing off the khalisi still seems counterproductive.

@JJJ854 13 күн бұрын

Very great video. Once again my perspective on a character/event in ASOIAF is changed. I love videos like these

@daboos6353 13 күн бұрын

He do look like a weirdo tho

@Lord_Taron_Texas 13 күн бұрын

I agree for real I mean he did lead a teenage girl into a house to deal with a bunch of very old people

@elpsykongroo8308 13 күн бұрын

Great video....imo the undying and the warlocks are probably the best clue about whats going on with the Others and how it might end. The undying are clearly analogous with the others, though I am not sure about who the warlocks are analogous with...maybe the people who use the powers associated with the wierwoods and the old gods, like the green seers, wargs, skinchangers, etc.

@Palafico3 13 күн бұрын

I’d say so, it was the hubris and execution of such a severe form of magic by the Children and/or Men that marred the balance of the Weirwood net in creating the Others.

@carsonland6874 12 күн бұрын

Pyat Pree is an analogue of Bloodraven. Both sorcerers that are draining powers from undead magical prisoners. And yes, now I'm also convinced that the Others are looking for the same thing in Azor Ahai. Someone to free them by ending, likely burning, it all. And the way the Undying provoked Dany and caused Drogon to roast them. Maybe that's why the Others are moving, they're kicking the hornets nest perhaps?

@soxpeewee 10 күн бұрын

More like the wights. They are slaves to the undying just like the wights are to the Others.

@ashleyofnaath 13 күн бұрын

I'll take it a step further and say Pyat didn't send the manticore to her. He was framed. Xaro Xhoan Daxos was the one who sent the manticore after her, after failing to kill her in his palanquin. I also think he lied to Dany when he told her the warlocks were after her in Meereen. It's always been him trying to kill her.

@johnnye87 11 күн бұрын

I thought it was strongly implied somewhere that Varys sent the manticore?

@postvizsla7509 13 күн бұрын

Pretty sure I’ve watched/liked all of your asoif videos, never seen such an underrated channel

@postvizsla7509 13 күн бұрын

Just checked to make sure, liked the ones I missed even your QB video

@awinter2807 7 күн бұрын

GRRM turned the character Pryrates from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn into like 5 different dudes. It rocks

@DavidLightbringer 12 күн бұрын

hey Michael, I noticed that in this video you're proposing that shade of the evening cannot actually turn you into a blue shadow undying one, and you say that there is no direct evidence for this, although I think everyone assumes it because it is intuitive. but then on the other hand, you are asserting that Pyatt and the other warlocks are drawing their power from the blue shadows? and I don't see that suggested or even implied anywhere, and you're building your whole theory off that as an assumption. so I would question it based on that, and based on the fundamental nature of what's going on when she wakes up and they are sucking and biting her. they are the ones trying to draw something from Danny, and in the vision it says they needed her life, her fire. you also asked why they would be showing her visions of the future if they don't intend to let her escape, and the answer is easy there in my opinion: they are using their very real gift of prophecy as a lure, to tempt her into immersing herself into the visions so the undying ones can do what they did - pounce on her and begin draining her. so it makes perfect sense divisions would be true, because they have an actual gift of prophecy, they're just using that as bait. as usual, I enjoyed your video very much, and I appreciate you pulling at the seams of our assumptions about the story. I just wanted to give my two cents as far as what I would say to challenge what you've laid out here. Cheers man

@Lord_Taron_Texas 13 күн бұрын

Very good video my man! As always it makes perfect sense

@NicolaeCarpathia420 12 күн бұрын

It says something that Daenaeys' first two independent actions after her Khal Drogo died was basically violate guest right in two separate locations. And guest right matters alot in Westeros.

@snocades 12 күн бұрын

When does she break guest right? Genuinely curious because I haven't considered this

@johnnye87 11 күн бұрын

Guest right is quite explicitly tied to being given food. There are rituals associated with both entering (bread and salt) and leaving (guest gifts) the protection of guest right - at least in Westeros. It's not just a case of killing someone in their own home being taboo.

@tomasdavid7829 5 күн бұрын

You get it all wrong, guest right is from perspective of host toward his guest, if your guest an a-hole who kills you or hurt you in some way (break sth, attack you etc.) its your problem, cos you should not invite ungreatful a-holes to your household so Danny did not break guest right since she was a guest not a host

@thearmchairjournalist566 13 күн бұрын

New sub, you really deserve more 👌

@JamieEgg-qs9mc 5 күн бұрын

Great video! I think this theory about Pyatt Pree’s role and his temple can help us illuminate Mirri Maz Duur’s role between Dany and the Eggs. Recall that Mirri Maz Duur ululated in ecstasy as she began to burn. It can also help illuminate perhaps why Bran is being sought for his powers. It can also perhaps illuminate more about the role of the temple in which Arya is developing her power.

@JamieEgg-qs9mc 5 күн бұрын

I also think that the sequence of visions you describe where the blue shadows that Dany is freeing turn into the slaves that she is freeing is GRRM signaling to the reader to compare Dany’s role with regard to the shadows to her role with regard to the other slaves she will free.

@Grogeous_Maximus 9 күн бұрын

Tiny request: is it possible to use a less bright white background in the text inserts? (or inverted colors) The brightness melts my goblin eyes, as I watch your content on my magic scrying ball in my dark cave. Also 9:20 ROFL

@BeteBlanc 12 күн бұрын

I always appreciate a more nuanced interpretation of the story. I have certain reservations about it, but not enough to directly counter it. The thing that always bothers me about how most people see the Undying and their house is that they appear to have a reasonable ability to know the shape of future events. Mel tells us the first thing she looks for is danger to herself and I can't imagine the Undying are any different. They must have known exactly what would happen. Where I have my reservations is the interpretation the Undying were actually hurt. On a basic level that last experience directly refects Dany's experience in Ghiscar. The very end reminds me of the chaos in the pit where Drogon appears, burns people, and then flies her away. While I would still consider the possibility she did, I remain unconvinced Dany and Drogon burned any more than an illusion the Undying expected her to burn. And in that sense I argree with your premise that Pyat Pree is also doing nothing more than what the Undying expect him to do. He's as much a victim of their plans whether the Undying sacrificed themselves or not. I expect the Undying to be spirits in the black trees casting illusions within the house and the appearance of their demise just calculated manipulation. The actions of what Dany sees are too similar to the actions of the wights. As proxies for Masters/Ghiscari or even the Qarthene they work to well. Presenting as wise and beautiful, but really being corrupt and ugly beneath the surface. If there was an element to the vision that suggested something closer to what you suggest, I think it would be the destruction of the blue heart. An object of power seeming to maintain those around the table. There is something in your theory that intrigues me though. This idea of an enslavement of magic combined with the suggestion of the world men are making. There's something about the nature of Weirwoods, Shadewoods, and Goldenhearts that I can't quite nail down. A middle ground between your theories and Eldric Stoneskins that I think explains most it.

@thelocdesiringentryintoyou3686 6 күн бұрын

Yeah seriously. Elric Stoneskin’s theories would pair so well with some of Michaels. I hope they collab in the future. Two fantastic fairly new channels

@VAL420 Күн бұрын

Dany ruining the house of the undying was a hint she was going to burn king's landing all along. GASP!

@itsmainelyyou5541 13 күн бұрын

I looked forward to this segment of the books. I was hoping for some magical mystical weirdness in great detail. The show just miffed it and made it so boring.

@YarPirates-vy7iv 13 күн бұрын

There is nothing silly about immortal hamsters.

@eric2500 11 күн бұрын

SORRY BUT NO. He lured her into the situation where the low low price of confusing prophecy is that the undying ones can suck her life essence.

@anorangetabby 13 күн бұрын

You vampire apologist! 😂 😉

@johnpotts8308 13 күн бұрын

Sounds like Piat Pree is the Westeros version of Captain Ransom (ST: Voyager, "Equinox").

@randominternetguyoffical 4 күн бұрын

So an idea.I heard a long time ago I think it might have been on Preston's channel.Was that the house of the undying and the undying ones are more or less like putting her on trial for future crimes or potential crimes, Or something of that nature and that's what a lot of divisions are is them like showing her why they are deeming too drink her power? Any thoughts on that idea?

@WatashiMachineFullCycle 12 күн бұрын

Yeah I 1000% blame the show for this one. The fake pree that tries to mislead her and the way he tries to kill her after the fact probably clouded my mind somewhat, but when you've consumed both books and show it's hard for it to not get a little muddy when it comes to perception of some characters, and they did him so so dirty in the show that all of that combined really convinced me he was out to trap her. But breaking it down like this, you're totally right. He had no reason to give her the correct instructions on how to navigate the HotU if he meant to keep her there forever. Given what we've read from the Forsaken chapter of winds, things only got worse for him from there. Whoops

@thechosenonetim7738 13 күн бұрын

Wow. Great theory. I'm on board

@j3fr0uk 13 күн бұрын

Do you know what I hate sometimes is that how bad my memory is and misremember things because of the show lmao.. Time to read the books again... :P Why do you reckon D&D did it like that?...

@thing_under_the_stairs 12 күн бұрын

Laziness and a lack of respect for the source material?

@Whiteboykun 12 күн бұрын

Imagine confronting Pyat or Euron or whoever about being a shade-oholic: "have you been abusing shade of the evening?!" "No! I swear!!/ It's just lipstick!" "Lipstick? You look like you've been French kissing big papa Smurf!"

@zeroisnine 13 күн бұрын

I mean, it sounds like he wasn't doing good to those captive spirits.

@hypello9534 3 күн бұрын

He dosent force her into the house of unduing but he clealry tries to capture her!

@mfgrobin9657 13 күн бұрын

i dunno even in the books he came to me across as somebody who is just like like a child who doesn't wanna loose his toy once he has gotten hands on it . Unlike Jamie or Daenerys , Pyats story wasn't absolutely curb stomped but i guess that would be obvious to point out. But i get what you mean and do agree with it mostly. This all just makes me think of the moral dilemma of "just because you had a hard live doesn't excuse you being just as bad or worse"

@sblinder1978 13 күн бұрын

Geez, all I did was invite an angry literal child with a mobile flamethrower into my ancient library, how did it all go so wrong???

@dim391 13 күн бұрын

The same kind of scenario might happen, but with the Others.

@ThommyofThenn 9 күн бұрын

That Pyat Pree really is quite a shady character

@xavier84623 13 күн бұрын

why was one was trying to eat her eye tho?

@CasaTelvanni 13 күн бұрын

Great analysis, altough i wouldnt say he "did nothing wrong", i think keeping beings imprisioned against their will is something very wrong. But we can agree dad he wasnt an enemy of Dany, and that his actions make some sense, altough he was a bit dumb for letting his prisioners alone around someone who could free them lol

@thisguy8106 13 күн бұрын

You're kinda leaving out a pretty important detail when it comes to your hypothetical situation.. if I invited someone in... and then tried to drain their life force... maybe I should expect my house to be burnt down.

@thisguy8106 13 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@jammysmears4077 13 күн бұрын

One of the very few characters in the TV adaptations with a Scottish accent. The only others I've spotted are Ser Harrold Westerling and Lord Butterwell in HOTD. I can't see a connection between them.

@psevdhome 13 күн бұрын

It's funny because Gendry and Davos supposedly grew up on different alleys of the same street in King's Landing and have completely different accents. The show was fun but accurate accents that make any sense are not one of its features.

@jammysmears4077 13 күн бұрын

@@psevdhomeyeah, I find it weird that the Irish actor Liam Cunningham seems to have chosen to do a kinda Geordie accent. I think we'd have expected something a bit more Cockney in KL.

@psevdhome 13 күн бұрын

@@jammysmears4077 Yeah, it's funny. I think his accent works as a sort of "man of the people humble" accent. But when they specifically mention that the two characters are from the same street, it's kind of funny that they talk so differently. Good performances from both, not knocking it at all.

@konstantinkrastev4478 13 күн бұрын

I dunno its been a while since I read it but I find his innocence hard to believe, at best he is using a bunch of people as a power battery

@slmnmndrco8129 13 күн бұрын

Would it be possible that since Dany killed the undying, maybe it was also influenced somewhere along the way by a faceless man who also want to bring death to the undying? Like who influenced Pyat to let her in?

@harukasuzuhara8491 13 күн бұрын

Idk if someone did that to me I’d be mad as hell (all seven)

@AlaricXIII 12 күн бұрын

Pyat Pree Did Nothing Wrong (to Daenerys)

@bl1754 15 сағат бұрын

i wish my hamster was immortal

@ultramarine0123 12 күн бұрын

Literally the plot of zardoz

@Sunspear7 13 күн бұрын

I think he expected and wanted her to become one of the Undying so I'm going with villain

@Sunspear7 13 күн бұрын

As I recall she's part Blackwood so that ties into your Wall/Undying theory

@Dunybrook 12 күн бұрын

Or they really didn't want to die and she killed them because she's nuts like that.

@enzobodean2599 8 күн бұрын

But why did Pyat let Danny in in the first place?

@cyberneticthezero Күн бұрын

Subbed

@hessuh2380 9 күн бұрын

Makes sense

@illCMAC 10 күн бұрын

I agree

@kyuzoTheboss 11 күн бұрын

they tried to kill her...

@business_casual_rex 7 күн бұрын

Lol that still image

@dirtysheepdog 11 күн бұрын

No. Thanks for sharing 🫡

@cherylbaxter8986 13 күн бұрын

Are you blaming danny for all this an pria pri innocent

@ratgirl34 13 күн бұрын

For the algorithm.