Reylo: Does It Work?

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Reylo, aka Rey and Kylo Ren are the face of the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy (The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, & The Rise of Skywalker. A lot of people love the characters of Rey and Kylo Ren, and most people also agree that their dynamic is the most interesting part of the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. But some people wanted them to get together, and thus Reylo would be a thing. How would Reylo have turned out if Rey and Kylo Ren got together? In this video, we will be talking about Reylo and if it could have worked
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Reylo in The Force Awakens - 2:15
Reylo in The Last Jedi - 8:51
Reylo in The Rise of Skywalker - 16:44
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@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's good you mentioned how significant the choice is to have Kylo first take off his mask when he's with Rey. It's official that he was originally supposed to do that when speaking to Snoke, but a deliberate choice was made to have him take it off when speaking to Rey instead. Also, notice how the two interrogation scenes in the film are made so vastly different, despite the fact that it is the same scenario with different people. When Kylo interrogates Poe. He is menacing and masked. The room is dark. He is aggressive right away. But everything is set up so differently when we get to Rey's. Because the audience has seen Kylo in an interrogation before, the assumption is that he is going to be the same was he was with Poe, but that's not the case. When we see him, he is positioned lower than Rey. In filmmaking language, when one person is depicted higher than another, it suggests a sense of dominance and yet Kylo is crouching before Rey. The room is much more brightly lit and he he only resorts to invading her mind after trying to speak with her passively.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

totally, i wish more other people realized what you mention

@ReallyMiny 6 ай бұрын

I noticed that as well.

@Annie-hb8ob Жыл бұрын

Something that baffles me still to this day is that, yes Rian did do a lot to set up Reylo in TLJ. But JJ was the one to plant all the seeds. Even stating in his commentary for TFA that Kylo is purposefully meant to look really attractive in the interogation scene, like a prince. And in forest scene on Takodana/the bridal carry it was meant to feel fairytale-esc. So why did he then basically throw away so much characterisation of these characters and a great storytelling device Rian had created in TLJ? Rian said he used the force connection as a way for Rey and Kylo to communicate without it turning into fighting. And then what happens in TROS? JJ uses the connection to basically have them fight all the time.

@ocwitch8765 Жыл бұрын

I have a feeling that Disney may be involved with the decisions made that led up to the final movie. You were right about JJ Abrams since I also find it weird that if he was to start the idea, why did the relationship become like this during the final movie

@yamilfigueroa3099 2 жыл бұрын

I love Reylo. For me the connection between the two are the best part of the sequels for me.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

same here!

@karenpatriquin5240 2 жыл бұрын

Same, especially in last Jedi

@sarahgs_ Жыл бұрын

I was on board with Reylo ever since I saw TFA 🥲 I will always love them ❤️

@morsecode980 2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, it could’ve worked if it was done right. Love is (I think) one of the key themes of Star Wars. It’s why Anakin turns to the Dark Side, and why Luke brings him back. Romantic love redeeming Kylo/Ben was, IMO, rhyming with the Prequels, Ben succeeded where Anakin failed by saving his love.

@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. George himself said that loving people is what Star Wars is about. I liked your idea of love saving Ben.

@ShannonLynn21 Жыл бұрын

There are a lot of additional points you didn't touch on, but one of the biggies is the difference between Poes interrogation scene and Reys. Compared to how he treated Poe, Kylo/Ben is practically tender to Rey. Also, with Poe, he's looming over him. With Rey, he's initially crouching as she wakes, as though making himself appear smaller and less threatening. There's a lot of other points, but that interrogation scene has a lot of nuance that people overlook or don't touch on.

@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he was so tender with her.

@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

I'll throw in my two cents, being a reylo almost right after I first saw TFA. What is so interesting about it is seeing two people from vastly different sides of the coin learn to find love despite coming from a place where they have massive differences and, well, are enemies at war. It's also great for their character development. I don't care so much about the fact that they fight each other and have their scuffles since conflict always makes things more interesting. They've faced their lions share of each other and still love each other for who they truly are in the end. Some may not like the fact that they fight each other or that Kylo is this darkside meanie, but that's kind of the point of enemies to lovers. Two people start at a point where you'd least expect them to develop love and as the story progresses, it finds a way to develop it and make us root for it regardless. It's much more challenging and thus interesting for me then just watching a couple start nicely and on positive terms then go into a romance. And nobody really brings up the fact that they never reciprocated his love until *after* he made his turn back to the light, so it's not like she's tolerating his bad behaviour. She literally tells him "I did want to take your hand, Ben's hand." And kisses him right after she realizes he is actually Ben and not Kylo when she exclaims "Ben!". Now, with that said, I think it could have been much more developed in ROS then it was. That way, their relationship could have more time to develop. And literally deciding to use the cut of the scene where they kiss later on tells me that reylo as a romance was never that crucial to the production team as a story beat and that kind of sucks given just how interesting and new and rife with potential it it. The problem isn't that reylo as a romance exists at all, but that it only half-does. Like all good ideas, they should've gone either all or nothing. Don't throw in an idea then do the bare minimum for it. I agree with some who say that Ben probably should've been redeemed earlier in that film. It's no wonder some feel their kiss felt out of place in the end.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

i totally agree with your last point. Half assing something is the worst and that's what they did with Reylo

@ACMr2d2 2 жыл бұрын

I UNDERSTAND people's disappointment but the porpose was not to develop a love relationship but to show that selfless love is the only path to redemption no matter if that love is beetween a father and a son like in the original trilogy or between a man and a woman. Love between a man and a woman can be a very selfish love since is about " pleasing the other" but Kylo saved her for her and not so that she could live to please him.

@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

@@ACMr2d2 Romance bewteen a man and woman can be both a very self-sacrificing and fulfilling endeavor. They can still share the love of a couple. For the selfless aspect, Ben proved that, but had he made it out alive, though, that doesn't mean their love would then have been bad or divergent from the themes of SW. Ben can still be romantically with Rey and not try to be overly possessive of her.

@ACMr2d2 2 жыл бұрын

@@blondetapperware8289 I never said their love would be bad if he had lived. I just said that with his sacrifice, he showed that his love was completely selfless.

@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

@@ACMr2d2 Yeah, it definitely was. But him also loving her romantically doesn't negate that selfless aspect of his sacrifice.

@starwarsoveranalyzed 2 жыл бұрын

Such a good thumbnail!

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

Look for Render Driver on twitter!

@gabbyberlingieri1480 2 жыл бұрын

Great video!! I remember shipping the two after TLJ, and being so devastated when all we got was a kiss and then: "Boom! He's dead! No more of that!".

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

Same with you, thanks for watching!

@raccoonja5905 2 жыл бұрын

I'm sick of redemtion by death scenes. They are either "you did tons horrible things, but then one good thing, so you're fine" or "You were bad, but slowly getting better, but still have to sacrefice yourself to be truly redeemed". It's so much more interesting to have characters actually live with what they have done and if or how others can forgive them or accept them. With Kylo he just finished three movies of struggeling wich side he would ultimately choose, only to be rewarded with death. And it doesn't even make that much sense as Rey already healed him from a deadly wound without any consequences. So having both of them loose a simmular thing in both situations would have been much more fitting in my opinion. For example Rey rubs her hand after healing the snake, so why not have them loose the limb they were healing the other one with? Or have them age, older wounds open up again, transfer wounds partially, loose some of their connection to the force... So many possibilities that could also explain why the jedi never use this power.

@themenagerie5247 2 жыл бұрын

Kylo gets rewarded with death because that’s the only thing he deserved, he was a monster who slaughtered civilians, blew up planets and killed his father. Would Kylo never live past the final movie because the resistance would execute him as a war criminal.

@raccoonja5905 2 жыл бұрын

@@themenagerie5247 We don't know if the Resistance has the death penalty. The new republic seem to prefer imprisonment (based on the Mandalorian). Executing a force user is also bad idea, because there's always the chance that they become a force ghost wich makes them "more powerfull then you could ever imagine".

@themenagerie5247 2 жыл бұрын

@@raccoonja5905 1. Force ghost is a lightsaber technique 2. Obiwan was talking about the fact that it would empower Luke. What did you think that meant. 3. Him being a force user is the exact reason they have to put him down.

@raccoonja5905 2 жыл бұрын

@@themenagerie5247 1. Anakin became a force ghost after saving his son, so why shouldn't Ben Solo after saving Rey? 2. Obiwan told Darth Vader "If you strike me down I will become stronger then you could ever imagine" 3. In a just system people should be judged by what they did, not what abilities they have.

@AudStarWarsFive 2 жыл бұрын

Cry a river when disney bends the knee by bringing him back when all other sequel stuff fails

@rhiannondavies7522 2 жыл бұрын

I loved Reylo, truly the most interesting thing about the ST. It’s the idea of opposites attract. These two people were lonely and they felt like no one understood them until they met eachother. The hand touch scene in TLJ is the most moving and intimate scene in the entire trilogy. And as for Kylo being abusive, Rey is the aggressive one throughout most the trilogy by always shooting at him first and duelling him on the Death Star. And it’s also called start wars so it’s not a typical romance 😂. I think Ben should have lived at the end of TROS and I hope we see his character again. Rey isn’t as interesting without him in future stories either. I hope he comes back via the world between worlds because he’s too good of a character to never see again.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

great points!

@themenagerie5247 2 жыл бұрын

“Reys the aggressive one” dude are you on drugs? The first scene they share is ray running away from kylo terrified, then he kidnaps her and painfully interrogates her while she cries. Only to kill her father figure later... oh and more importantly than all of that: HES A SPACE NAZI.

@rhiannondavies7522 2 жыл бұрын

@@themenagerie5247 Hi. No I’m not on drugs. Ben solo was manipulated and abused his whole life by palpatine using voices in his head and saying his family didn’t love him. Luke had a moment of weakness and tried to kill Ben, which sealed his fate to join the dark side. He didn’t burn the Jedi temple down, palpatine did. Yes in TFA rey and Kylo ren are on opposing sides. She becomes a prisoner of war in a film called Star Wars 😂. She completely turns the tables on him reading his mind instead and slashes half his face off at the end of the film. And it was Hux who blew up the republic and gave the Nazi speech, not Kylo Ren he didn’t want to do it if you watch the film he looks uncomfortable when Hux suggests it to Snoke. They’re first interaction in TLJ Rey shoots him before he says or does anything. Second time she calls him a monster and snake which clearly hurts his feelings. Finally when they do talk they see they have a lot in common than they both previously realised. In TLJ we learn that there’s a broken man behind his mask and not a monster, and Rey and he develop a genuine connection. Like in Beauty and the Beast when Belle is taken captive she hates the beast, but as the film goes on she sees there’s more to him and develops genuine feelings. By the end of TLJ they both want the other to join them, and Kylo looks broken on his knees when she shuts the door on him because power means nothing to someone who doesn’t want to be alone. Rey also doesn’t want to be alone like she was on Jakku again and she understands Kylo ren better than anyone. In TROS they clearly feel conflicted about each other. He wants her to take his and, and she says in the film that she does want his hand, bens hand. Other then passana, kylo ren spends most of the film defending himself in their duels. She starts the fight in their second force connection by drawing her saber first when he hints at the truth of her parents. She starts the fight on the Death Star and tries to kill him when he’s unarmed. By the end of the film they both have faced they’re demons, Rey her origins and Ben his choices, but they come together to save the galaxy. The kiss at the end of the film is both of gratitude and a sign of romantic feelings on her part. I genuinely want to see Rey and bens story continue because I find them compelling together. I don’t get calling people names or saying they’re on drugs because they see the story differently to you is a good argument. You can like the story or you can dislike the story but you should argue with integrity and be polite. At the end of the day it’s fiction 😂 xox

@themenagerie5247 2 жыл бұрын

Hey remind me, who does Hux take orders from? And who is it we see leading an operation to kill civilians to kidnap kids to force them to become child soldiers? Oh that’s right kylo. And I don’t give a shit if he was manipulated so was anakin but they were both completely in control of their actions and they both acted like monsters. Nothing you can say will change the horrid actions kylo partook in. No one ever said “oh I wish Vader would have lived so we can hear more of his story” Rey falling for that monster is character assassination especially when TFA was obviously setting up her and fin. The only reason reylo ended up a thing is because TLJ was directed by a child hellbent on ruining the sequels to the point of killing the main villain before the final movie.

@themenagerie5247 2 жыл бұрын

@@rhiannondavies7522 oh and the “are you on drugs comment” is because reylo is a blatant glorification of abusive relationships and your comment was straight up victim blaming Rey for fighting back.

@robertbacon9097 2 жыл бұрын

You forgot to mention Rey gives Kylo the up and down eye gaze after he takes of his helmet for the first time. That single moment sold me on Reylo. If you blink, you miss it.

@helstok178 Жыл бұрын

Because of how disjointed TROS was, especially with depicting Reylo, I wish they had done this instead of having the 2 kiss each other before Ben dies: have them hug each other instead. A hug doesn't have to be romantic (Reylo haters would be happy) but it would also be a good show of them bonding over what they've been through; the relief and joy they would be feeling etc before having Ben slowly die in her arms as she lays him down. Maybe even having Ben say "it's okay" as he goes with a small, kind smile on his face

@dj_scratchvinyl6246 2 жыл бұрын

I really liked the concept of Reylo, I didn't start shipping them till after TLJ because I liked the idea of the light side girl and dark side boy meeting in the middle (I really wanted to see Grey Jedi in the sequels). I thought their dynamic was always as equals even back in TFA, they understood each other both dealing with abandonment issues, and, at least in Ben's mind, it was them against the galaxy. I was pleasantly surprised by the kiss in TRoS and wished they kept Ben, but it was the final movie and you need a long time for a true redemption arc. Even though Ben was clearly on the light side by the end of TRoS he would have to prove himself to the galaxy or at least the Resistance. If anyone watches Fairy Tail, I think the redemption arc for Jellal is a perfect model for this, he became a "good guy" again very early in the show, but it wasn't until the last episode that he was officially pardoned for his crimes because he spent the remainder of the series being a vigilante and either reforming criminals or assistance the main characters of the series from the shadows. I thought this kind of role would fit Ben perfectly, him traveling around the galaxy post TRoS helping poorer areas of the galaxy rebuild, they are the places that need the most help and he would not be recognized there.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

I'm similar to you

@DamnFineCupOfCoffee 2 жыл бұрын

I bothers me how people dismiss Rey extending her hand to Kylo in TLJ as being shallow or regressive. I think people forget that Rey had a Death Star sized hole in her heart with her abandonment issues, essentially being raised on a daily dose of hope instead of love, believing in myths of heroes and playing with rebel dolls and helmets. So when Luke and the island turn out to not be the belonging and answers she was looking for, it’s not a surprise to me that she proceeds to insert herself into the “fairytale”, subconsciously playing the part of the hopeful young Luke who’s going to save the misunderstood villain (substituting a familial relationship with a romantic one), which will make her terrible origin somehow justified in her mind, as it’s going to lead to happily-ever-after. The point of Rey extending a hand to Ben is that Rey is not acting as a complete and balanced woman (because she’s the opposite), thus the uneasy music when she’s about to do it. Some don’t like the message it portrays, but I do. Girls (and guys), you can’t let what’s missing in your life blind you. But then yeah, TROS didn’t do anything interesting with Kylo/Rey. I personally wish they didn’t go with the whole corrrupting/redeeming tension (or lack thereof) over and over again. Keeping Kylo alive at the end could have been interesting too. Like what if he’s kept on Ahch To as his prison, ironically serving out the sentence that Luke erroneously put on himself for far too long. Then maybe in a future series or trilogy, they could have a story where Finn needs to turn to Kylo for help to track down a missing Rey or something, keeping him leashed up like Gollum. An antagonistic/competitive Finn/Kylo dynamic could have been great, really testing Finn’s patience and restraint.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

I love what you said in your first paragraph

@gabrielleduplessis7388 Жыл бұрын

I always pictured him being alive, them running away together, but Rey gets called back by Fin, Poe (who are together in my head canon) and the rest of the crew. Ben is afraid, but goes back with her. When they arrive, he gets arrested and beaten up by Fin and Poe but they don’t kill him because of Rey. However, they need his expertise for missions and have to rely on him. With each mission, he redeems himself gradually and they can see the good in him. It takes a long time, but he eventually earns their trust and friendship. At least, this way Rey and Ben can have a flawed/happy relationship at least.

@goldjedi5038 2 жыл бұрын

You make a lot of great points!

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

@kaiserz0154 2 жыл бұрын

Personally I disagree about your last point in having both Rey and Ben defeating Palpatine together primarily because of the point of his redemption. If Ben’s redemption involved slaying his manipulative mastermind again, then that would’ve been lazy writing and rendered Snoke entirely pointless. As his death was proof that simply killing your abusive master won’t automatically mean you’re redeemed, its that there’s more to it than that. Unlike Vader, Ben’s redemption had nothing to do with Palpatine, but with the relationship with his father and the woman he loves. He was able to find forgiveness within himself for what he did to Han and went out of his way to be there for Rey despite everything he put her through. This is what I appreciate most about Palpatine in the Rise of Skywalker. In Return of the Jedi, he served to make Vader’s redemption more believable. And here, instead of doing the same of Ben, he served to be a demon for Rey to overcome as he embodies everything she learned to reject. I especially like how there’s a lot of parallels and inversions between Reylo and Anidala. Anakin became someone who couldn’t live without Padme, while Ben became someone who’d willingly sacrifice himself to allow Rey a second chance at life.

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

Kylo Ren didn't defeat Darth Sidious, because he was defeated by Darth Sidious in Episode 9.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

I can understand that, but I think the alternative is better

@kaiserz0154 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 that’s fair

@realityshifter3399 2 жыл бұрын

"I especially like how there’s a lot of parallels and inversions between Reylo and Anidala. Anakin became someone who couldn’t live without Padme, while Ben became someone who’d willingly sacrifice himself to allow Rey a second chance at life." I agree, and the more I think about it, the more I think the parallels and inversions between Reylo and Anidala were intentional. If the Skywalker saga was a novel the first three chapters would be about the tragic romance of Anidala while the final three chapters would be about the redemptive love of Reylo.

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

I honestly think they should have had Kylo agree to help Rey after killing Snoke, but felt it impossible to return to Leia but instead remain in the order as a double agent. Ben Solo could have returned in the final film. I thought it was ridiculous that they had him kill his father though, for so many reasons.

@elsamariahertervig6171 Жыл бұрын

He was going to kill her on the Death Star wreck, it is in the novel. They both knew only one of them would walk away from that fight alive. It is acually the first time he wants to kill her. Kylo knew she wouldn't join him at that point and he was deeply sad, angry and rejected, that was what he wanted more than anything, for her to join him, he just didn't realise it would never happen as long as he remained on the dark side of the force. It is so tradic that he, who was so lonely and unhappy his whole life, didn't realise that she was everything he ever wanted, she was the only thing that could make him feel whole. He only understood this when Leia dies and Rey stabs him and then heals him. He turned to the light side again because of the love he felt in that moment from his mother and Rey. I wish their story hadn't ended at the end of ROS because Ben and Rey are my favourite characters in the SW universe, and the dyad is so fasinating to me. I wish it would've been explored and used more and in a deeper way in ROS, like it was done in the TLJ. That is what disappointed me the most in ROS, I like ROS but I think that movie could've been so much better. I like Palpatine's return, it makes sense because of who he was and how powerful he was, we already knew he could cheat death, he told that to Anakin so I don't understand why people were so shocked and angry about that. I guess some people believed that he meant his phycical form instead of what he acually meant his spirit/soul. I am not certain that Ben acually came back from the fall, I think he might have used their force bond, the dyad, to help her and being there "phycically." It can work because they can connect through time and space and even touch eact other without any harm, so it is totally diffrent from when other force users do this, it doesn't drain them and kill them like it killed Luke. I know this is probably far fetched, but why not. Exegol is a mystical planet and their dyad was "a power like life itself." I have nothing to support this theroy, I just don't want one of the best fictional characters ever created to be gone.

@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

Back in the good ol days of pre-TLJ, I can say that our community most definitely caught onto some things after TFA. We were able to pick up hints that there was possibly some special connection between Rey and Ben, whether it be from a story or Force-perspective; we def predicted them having a force bond which turned out to be one of the few pieces of fan speculation that was right in TLJ. TFA concept art also established some kind of dynamic between Kira and the Jedi hunter. Even time magazine's review of TFA noted some kind of sexual tension between Rey and Kylo. Many of the people in the community I read from had some of the most thoughtful analysis I've seen from the SW fandom as a whole. Some were English majors and could read into the tropes and motifs at play. Ohtze's "Death and the Maiden" essay is a good example, which dissected Kylo's bridal carry. If anyone else is interested in more analysis onto the ship, What the Force and Wit and Folly are great channels that have also dissected reylo from a mythological/storytelling perspective.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

i've watched wit and folly before, i like their work

@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 Nice nice. Thanks for the heart and reply!

@franchisefanatic4142 2 жыл бұрын

yes

@JohnnyTong215 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely!!!!

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

yes indeed!

@karenpatriquin5240 2 жыл бұрын

“Now in the force awakens most people probably shipped Rey and Finn” No Sir. Loved their connection from the very start. Yes 100 Ben should have lived, have him exiled and them keep the force connection, anything, we got robbed!

@sarahgs_ Жыл бұрын

My sister can attest to this- When I saw The Last Skywalker in theaters, I was sobbing from joy when Ben healed Rey and they kissed! But then… well he died and I was a MESS. I let myself hope that they would be together and happy. And they TOOK IT AWAY. I’d loved him throughout the whole series! And to have him killed just like that was heartbreaking for me. I think that’s the hardest I’ve ever cried because of a movie.

@thegoldman25 Жыл бұрын

I share that pain

@kathleenkennedy6948 2 жыл бұрын

Of course Reylo is great, it was my idea!

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

i hate you

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

It undoubtedly wasn't your idea.

@themenagerie5247 2 жыл бұрын

@@tturpin9712 no the worst and most abusive relationship is Star Wars definitely seems like her tot of tea.

@AudStarWarsFive 2 жыл бұрын

So did you also kill Ben

@Round_Slinger 2 жыл бұрын

🎶Let's get Reylo🎶

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@04nbod 8 ай бұрын

In TFA when he is really up close to her during the 'interrogation' I did think 'If they are related these vibes are going to be very weird'

@thesupremeleader3172 2 жыл бұрын

It better be ! I love her, she loves me ^^

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

watch and find out!

@Rey20171 2 жыл бұрын

No matter what your opinion is especially with the outcome I think we can all equally agree that their relationship was incredibly essential to the sequel trilogy in fact it was one of the very few things about it that had a coherent cohesive organize plan and regardless of the outcome I truly believe that this relationship is going to have people talking about this trilogy for a very long time in fact it might be the one of the few things that they’ll actually remember from this trilogy because I don’t hear anybody else talking about anything else or anybody else in the trilogy other than maybe Luke Skywalker and how he was treated in the last Jedi but that’s about it. I am a shameless unapologetic supporter of this relationship it reminds me of every other fictional couple that I have endured and loved very dearly over the years I love them so much that I even have a scrapbook about them that I’ve been working on for well over a year and no other couple infection has ever had that kind of affect an impact on me and I’m not really ashamed to talk about it there’s so much more I can add on but I think I’ll I think I may take up the entire common section that’s how much I like to talk about it

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

I can agree to this

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

True!

@deborahminter6231 10 ай бұрын

Great video!

@RuminInLove 2 жыл бұрын

Good video, you pointed out things I've never thought about or really noticed. Personally, I think Reylo is gray. It works if you want it to work, it doesn't work if you don't want it to work. My opinion is, it's canon now so I guess I'll just live with it... If that counts as an "opinion".

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!

@wickdaline8668 2 жыл бұрын

They had unconditional love for each other.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

No wrong

@jediryan9454 Жыл бұрын

In Reylo fan fiction yes, in the movies no way in hell. You have to be delusional to believe that.

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

@@jediryan9454 🙄 You don't have to like them. Doesn't mean their didn't have unconditional love for each other.

@oaklandoof994 8 ай бұрын

Killing Ben was such a stupid fucking move. His redemption was the only good thing about the sequels, and they ruined it

@LordNexusTheFir 2 ай бұрын

He never was or could be redeemed. U dont kill multiple planets & get redeemed for forgiven for that act of mass murder, genocide on a multi planetary scale & terrorism by just being there during the final boss fight. At best he could be redeemed if he soloed (no pun intended) the yuuzhan vong & prevented countless deaths by killing them all & dying im the process. Vader at least was only partially behind 1 planet getting blown up & even then Tarkin really gave the order. But Vader despite the harm he caused & fear & death he did kill the emperor which was the big galactic threat so he was worthy of redemption. Kylo will never be worthy.

@oaklandoof994 2 ай бұрын

@@LordNexusTheFir it’s been awhile since I’ve watched it but didn’t a Moff order the use of star killer base? I don’t remember Ren giving the order directly. But he could’ve. But even without him giving the order, Snoke was pulling the strings, most of the blame is on him

@PianoGirl091 Жыл бұрын

As a Reylo, I have to say that you're absolutely right when you suggest that it would have been better for Kylo and Rey's relationship to not be romantic right away, had he lived. Ben would have had so much more growing to do, more time to be spent atoning for his wrongdoings. I think it would be understood that Rey would be with him through it all (whether in person or through their Force bond) and that the end result would be a connection that is one of both unwavering support and friendship and romantic love. But that's only one aspect to it. Yes, the beginnings of a romance are in place, but I agree that it would have developed over time. Great video, dude. Looks like you posted this a while back, don't know how I missed it. I live for content like this!

@deborahminter6231 Ай бұрын

I never agreed that they had an "abusive" relationship, for all the reasons you mention. They were not actually in a relationship in The Force Awakens. I do think their story could have been told better. In my opinion, if they had changed some plot points in The Force Awakens, a romance between them could have worked out. I also agree that they could have had more between their relationship in The Rise of Skywalker or even at the end of the last Jedi which would have been cool.

@bellella_6926 2 жыл бұрын

Some of the comments on this video are wild. I thought this was a very fair, well reasoned analysis

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

Agreed! People get to worked up.

@kaiserz0154 2 жыл бұрын

I like how you point out how Kylo aggressively taking Reys necklace seemed out of character as if Kylo didn’t order his men to blast her ship out of the sky in the previous movie.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

You could argue he didn’t know Rey was in the falcon

@Arander92 2 жыл бұрын

No you can’t. There is no way he didn’t know. He can sense her from far away, he can’t sense her in a ship that’s right in front of him?

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

He didn't know she was on the ship. Lol!

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

@@Arander92 bad writing though, Kylo sometimes could sense someone, then all of a sudden couldn't tell if someone was in front of him 🤣

@nixcomix 2 жыл бұрын

So many fanfics are solely based on redeeming Ben Solo. Heck! Even I wrote one! They're so satisfying, but YES, I absolutely agree that he needed to tread the path of the Light more before he was ready, and Rey needed to know who he was beyond her assumptions and visions about him. I also believe that you can't just "flip a light switch" and become Ben Solo. Some vestiges of Kylo Ren would remain, whether that be a hostility or temper or sullenness or even quick-to-violence - you don't go from antisocial village-killer to softboi in a blink. And one last YES - if Ben Solo had been shown as a Force ghost at the end, as Anakin was in the OT, TROS would have made me 90% less mad. Instead, I was 100% mad.

@JJ_Binks 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! You took a topic that I otherwise wouldn't really care about and got me to watch a 24 minute video on it! (To be fair, a 24 minute video only takes me 12 minutes to watch 😂).

@MsWAlexander1 Жыл бұрын

All of this. #Bravo

@Jose-dh1xz 2 жыл бұрын

6:56 Got me off guard LMAO

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

lol

@nicobones9608 2 жыл бұрын

Funny thing, between TFA and TLJ coming out, I watched a video where someone pointed out all the semi-romantic moments between Rey and Kylo in TFA. When Kylo uses the Force to put her to sleep and carries her bridal style to his ship, the theme that plays in the background is the Romeo and Juliet theme in minor key. Whereas when Kylo interrogated Poe he towered over him and was cruel from the get-go, Kylo tells Rey that she's his "guest," he kneels in front of her, he's hesitant to do anything to hurt her, he tells her not to be afraid, and when he takes his helmet off she gives him a definite once-over. The video really went on and on, and talked about the Hades and Persephone trope, but it had me convinced by the end, even though I'd initially thought such a pairing was stupid.

@themenagerie5247 2 жыл бұрын

Kylo is nice to Rey that scene because he’s trying to manipulate her into letting him into her thoughts, and when that doesn’t work he has no problems forcing it even if it hurts Rey.

@AudStarWarsFive 2 жыл бұрын

Cry

@valeriefinnigan41 Жыл бұрын

Kylo’s awful proposal in TLJ was meant to be followed up with him bettering himself and then delivering a better proposal that Rey accepts. Rian Johnson admitted that he was inspired by Pride and Prejudice, with Kylo as Mr. Darcy. TLJ also showed Kylo’s disappointment with himself at the end. His motivation to better himself was clear in that moment. IX should’ve showed him trying to be a reformer. But it was clear in TROS’ opening crawl that JJ threw out the character development and motivations established in TLJ. His refusal to work with what TLJ set up, besides Rey Nobody (which Rey should’ve accepted by IX because coming to terms with rotten parents is something adults do), was Ben’s immediate motivation to try to do something good with his newly won but precarious position. Like perhaps ending child conscription and making other reforms to the Stormtrooper program, especially since the books make it clear that Snoke was “conditioning” Ben since he was a baby. Too bad neither JJ nor Terrio read the books (including Phasma, the biggest proof other than TLJ itself that Hux was set up to be the big bad for IX). But they didn’t didn’t need to read them to see what Rian set up, which they “somehow” missed or just chose to ignore (ie, Rey’s parentage, although the case can be made that good intentions do not excuse the trauma they inflicted on her. They had to be drunk to think that handing Rey over to Plutt, who they apparently knew was abusive, was a good idea. But that should’ve been addressed instead of leaving it at that Goddamned line, “They sold you to protect you.”)

@ACMr2d2 2 жыл бұрын

I think that JJ did right because he showed that the relationship between Kylo and Rey had sexual attraction but their love 💕 was deeper than that. Ben sacrificed his power and his life for her and that showed how divine and pure that love really was. He redeemed himself through sacrifice ✝ showing that his love was not selfish but selfless.🕊

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

I guess, but it's just such a sad ending, Star Wars should have a happy ending

@ACMr2d2 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 The happy ending was Ben Solo's redemption. I've always seen Star Wars from another perspective and even though I was very sorry to see Ben die, I understood the greater purpose that was to convey the message of sacrificial and redeeming love. As they will probably make more movies or series based on these characters. Maybe they will resurrect Ben somehow.

@AudStarWarsFive 2 жыл бұрын

They have no other choice. Rey Skywalker will bomb

@FlashPointStudiosX Жыл бұрын

Ijs, Reylo is a much better avenue then Rey & Poe (which was supposed to be a thing in duel of the fates, thank god they didn’t pick that up)

@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын

No it was supposed to be Rey and Finn but we cant have a monkey with a Disney princes.

@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! You made a lot of good points and analysis, some of which are what reylos have been trying to say about the ship too. As a reylo, I'm fine with the idea of him staying alive in the end but them not getting together right away so that he can still work out some things. He'd still be alive, they would still eventually get together which I'm sure people would be more at ease with seeing if he took that time and effort, and seeing that would have been an interesting story to watch. Do you think that LF may try to tell a story in the future where Ben is resurrected or still present in someway post-TROS? If so, what would your opinion be on that?

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

i am so conflicted. There are very few things in Star Wars I hate more than resurrections. It cheapens what death is. But I want Ben to be alive so badly that I would be open to hearing a story on it

@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 Yeah I think I remember you mentioning that before. But yes, if it means having Ben back I can forgive it retconning ROS. A lot of people speculate maybe something about the Wbw coming into play, like he's trapped there. I wouldn't mind it and even the Lego holiday special brought it in.

@highbeamneem4607 Жыл бұрын

i think the seeds of the force skype calls happened when rey read ben’s mind back in TFA during the interrogation scene but that’s just head cannon. TLJ is my favorite star wars movie of the bunch followed by ROTS but i like the dynamic these two shared. i just didn’t like how it paid off in TROS, at least have both of them live and rey stand with ben as he really redeems himself in the eyes of the galaxy.

@FeyRayen0 Жыл бұрын

Im a reylo and a ben solo fan.. of course he needed to go on a redemption arc before anything else. just imagine the potential... just imagine!!!!

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@GabiBrooks 9 ай бұрын

Kylo totally went easy on her with the interrogation. Just compare how he interogates her to how he interogates Poe. Nuff said.

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

I know😂 It's silly how people call it toxic...not that he should have been on the darkside mind you. But he was very gentle with the prisoner, and did everyone forget that she traumatized him when he tried to gently enter her mind. Lol!

@rotmistrzjanm8776 2 жыл бұрын

16:45 Rise of Skywalker in a nutshell

@Jyn.Andors 2 жыл бұрын

I remember watching TFA with my mum about a week after TROS was released and during the interrogation scene when Kylo took off his helmet, 5 seconds later my mum was like "they fancy each other, don't they?" and I just had to sit there like "UHHHH" because I didn't want to spoil it for her 😂My mum's not deep into Star Wars. Like at all. She watches the movies and stuff but that's about as far as she goes and she had no idea about what online fandom and shipping even is. So the fact that she started shipping Reylo, without even realising what shipping is, is very amusing to me. I'm mostly neutral on Reylo myself but I think they have nice moments and they're dynamic in TLJ is easily one of the best parts of the film for me. (Also, just a quick one. You say the word 'r*pe' early on in the video and I think it might be a good idea to try and mute it or something because hearing that word without warning can be triggering for some people who have experienced sexual assault. Not trying to bite your head off or claim you're a bad person, I know it was unintentional, but I'm just letting you know 🙂)

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, glad you enjoyed the video!

@bclr6843 9 ай бұрын

Wow a fan of the sequel trilogy. Rare breed my friend

@lmjk2765 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I thought more people would be fine with Reylo cause it wasn't in ur face romance like padame and anakin... reylo was ambiguous. Let me put it this way, Reylo was never the problem, everything else in the story was. I'm thankful Reylo was put in the story or else the trilogy would have been awful. I think star wars films just needs better writers like Mandolorian. Hopefully we get more episode films with Rey and Ben/Kylo cause i think there is even a bigger story to tell with them. Will see.

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

Thank you! I never thought Reylo was the problem but everything else about the plot was questionable.

@queenofhearts1278 Ай бұрын

i recently watched every single Star Wars movie for the first time every admittedly because i saw so many clips about rey and Ben and wanted to see their story but when I actually got to it I loved them but something about how it all ended bugged me a lot and i couldn't figure it out it wasn't just about ben dying because if they were done well i could live with that. but looking back everything you just said makes sense as to why Raylo left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth when they had such a great setup and execution but when it came to finishing it they kinda fumbled and it helped me realize my mixed feelings about it all.

@RedCaio 2 жыл бұрын

Can we get the sources on the music in the background?

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

updated the description

@carlosrodriguezmansfield2428 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations a very good analysis of the dialogues . But I think you still missed the scenes. In the shirtless scene Rey ask Kylo to put something on but Kylo ignore her. This means that he has nothing to hide, in other words he is going to be sincere and honest with Rey. But there is still something more subtle here, his shirt is black but his skin is white and here we have the contrast darkness/lightness, that means that there's still light in Kylo.

@christinejorgens6577 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always wondered if the millennia old Jedi droid known as Huyang ultimately survived during Order 66 and by some way of sending the Crucible Jedi shuttle deep into some system where very few would able to reach.. Which is why I like to think many years later during the first days of the New Republic, Cere Junda and Cal Kestis both much older would come across the ship and immediately recognize it.. I can see Junda telling Gritz to wait as she and Kestis went aboard the seemingly long abandoned Crucible until they were suddenly greeted by a now reawakened Huyang.. And by the time of 35 ABY, when Palpatine was finally defeated forever; every force sensitive could feel the Final Order’s ruler’s fall.. Cere Junda and Cal Kestis by this year would be even older and yet still helping force sensitives learn the new ways of the Jedi with Huyang… On of their ventures, they would meet with a now much older Katooni along with Petro, Gungi, Zatt and Ganodi who are all now also equally older by the time of the sequel trilogy! Kestis would be in his 60-70s and Junda into her mid 80s… In my mind, Huyang would be one of a very small number of Prequels era Jedi who would survive all the way to the Rise of Skywalker; even as a Jedi droid, he’s still a member. Grogu was currently under the care of Cere Junda and Cal Kestis who by the time of 35 ABY were very old and quite the rare sights besides a few others like Katooni and Petro as well as Gungi! This is a little snippet on how Huyang would quickly welcome and recognize the two now older Jedi.. Huyang: *reactivates and recognizes two Jedi who both are very old but still recognizable by their skin and faint hair color* “ah former Knight Cere Junda and former Padawan Cal Kestis, what a pleasure to be in the company of two surviving members after years of having myself in deep shut down mode…”

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

interesting thought

@rwby900 2 жыл бұрын

Oh that JJ 😅

@martinehelgesen 10 ай бұрын

I love Reylo

@nightlunastar 2 жыл бұрын

conclusion of the video: Reylo could have worked real life: The hashtag Reylo on Instagram has significantly more posts than Anidala and FinnRey, on AO3 Reylo has the most fics in comperision to other Star Wars ships, first place at tumblr 2020 ships, The book "the love Hypothesis" written by a reylo shiper was (or maybe is) on the new York time bestsellers for several weeks. The main Charakter Olive defenetly represents Rey while Adam represents Kylo/Ben. More reylo fanfics turning into books are on they way. The haters are louds, but numbers Don't lie. Reylo is one of Star Wars most popular ship. Tlj did an excelent Job showing us the Reyloship, something Tros did not. But most Reylos didn't like Tros anyway, because Ben was killed. Some Reylos even say, that Tros Rey and Kylo are completly different charakters than tlj Rey and Kylo and they hate it.

@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I really didn't like how their relationship seemed so dissonant from TLJ

@karenpatriquin5240 2 жыл бұрын

Just got Love Hypotheses can’t wait to read it

@themenagerie5247 2 жыл бұрын

“There are lots of fanfics which makes this glorification of abusive relationships ok”

@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын

@@themenagerie5247 Only reylo is not an abusive relationship because 1) for 95 percent of their interactions they aren't even in a romantic relationship and 2) Rey rejects him when he is on the dark side ("I did want to take your hand, *Ben's* hand") so she never enters into one with him until he is actually fully turned.

@themenagerie5247 2 жыл бұрын

@@blondetapperware8289 oh no he just hunted her like an animal for the whole trilogy, killer her father figure tries to kill her friend, blew up multiple planets, and tortured her... but it’s ok because this happens before they get together.

@Jose-dh1xz 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not that big of a sequel fan but The Reylo relationship was the most intriguing part IMO. Also I hate when channels like geeks and gamers call this relationship toxic like Toxic relationships (on screen) aren't entertaining.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

I respect where you're coming from

@tonyknighton4019 Жыл бұрын

It IS Toxic !

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

🤣 I actually didn't think their relationship was toxic. I only thought Kylo's character was toxic, reylo was the only normal thing about him, his character was bad not because of Reylo but because of the writers insisting the legacy family had to be destroyed either by death or evil.

@backtothefutureman1 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always been mixed as well on Reylo but in my opinion if they made an animated show that expands on it similar to Clone Wars and Rebels, it would probably have been much more than mixed.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

You're probably right

@backtothefutureman1 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 yeah I’m probably right as the sequels would probably be more received well if they get the Clone Wars treatment like they did with the Prequels.

@lookingforwookiecopilot 2 жыл бұрын

Lol,...Reylo and Finn were the love triangle we had in the OT. ,...before George stepped in. 😧

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

huh?

@lookingforwookiecopilot 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 Both trilogies begin with two main characters digging on the same chick, who clearly cares for both of them. Then the third movie comes along and kinda throws a wrench into it.

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

It's my personal theory that the creators orginally intended it to be a love triangle, but changed their minds and never admitted to it😂

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

@@lookingforwookiecopilot Exactly! JJ also imitated the exact same plot from the original Star Wars. He at one point considered making Rey and Ben sibling! Sound familiar 😂

@lookingforwookiecopilot 8 ай бұрын

@@deborahminter6231 The fact that he didn't gives one point in his favour.

@BlackShadow01-05 Жыл бұрын

I think it would be great if a bunch of characters who died were with Luke and Leia. It would give so many people the opportunity to return so I think that along with Luke and Leia there should have been Ashoka Ben Han Rex Anakin Obi wan Mace Windu basically some of the most important characters

@giuseppecastiglione1709 Жыл бұрын

12:35 until andor

@Meme033094 7 ай бұрын

The only way I think Disney could redeem the Sequels is to make a animated series of Ben becoming Ren make like a breaking bad version of Star Wars make one of Luke's prized pupils a jedi knight and star of Luke's jedi academy and watch him transform into the monster of the first order and the leader of the knights of Ren with dreams of finishing his grandfathers life's work of bringing order to the galaxy

@RayOfTruth 5 ай бұрын

Have you read the canon comic mini-series The Rise of Kylo Ren?

@EFANZPro 2 жыл бұрын

I was never on the ship of Reylo but I can say TFA was good in terms of introduce Rey and Ben connection; TLJ was great to explored it even more; yes I'm in the minority that loved TLJ. but I just can't accept whatever they did in TROS. whether are the story or the connection of Rey and Ben.

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@2013wearestillhere Жыл бұрын

Could time travel be used to bring Ben Solo back to life? What if Rey used FTL to find Kylo or Ben before they confronted Palpatine, and figured out another way to take him down? In the Star Wars story they can travel faster than light. Yes, it's an old trope in science fiction, but it would be worth it to bring Reylo back. Or maybe the force can do it. If the force can make a body just disappear, then the force can make a body reappear. Maybe what Rey saw was an illusion, possibly created by Luke to keep Rey and Kylo apart. I want Rey and Kylo reunited, and then they travel to our galaxy to rule it, including Earth. Yeah, that's another thing I want. Bringing Star Wars to Earth, but in a cool way. No more blowing up whole planets.

@MegaMilenche Жыл бұрын

I was hoping something might be done with the new movies coming out. But then I heard they are set 15 years after the rise of Skywalker. So, that kinda killed my hope.

@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын

Be sure that he will be back because nobody dies in Disney's Star Wars.

@MegaMilenche Жыл бұрын

@@yusufraage8554 Thank you for your kind words :3

@RedCaio 2 жыл бұрын

An interesting vid. I love The Rise of Skywalker a bunch but it really needed to be two films to allow these character moments to really build up to a transformation.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

i could potentially be on board with 2 films

@cc2345 2 ай бұрын

I was one of the og reylo shippers lmfao. Sad I got bullied out of the fandom from the haters of the last Jedi and reylo haters... And rey palpatine haters...

@Ncholasbloom Жыл бұрын

i still think ben could return gold

@FATE522 2 жыл бұрын

I still think anyone who considers their relationship toxic and act like Anakin and Padme's isn't are just in denial or trying to cause arguments. Because frankly Anakin and Padme's relationship is more toxic. Rey loves for the good she sees in Ben and when his actions *show* his love, she accepts him. Padmé loves Anakin regardless of his dark deeds and thinks his goodness will triumph over his bad actions. Hell we see her encouraging him to violate his Jedi code at the end of episode 2. Which you can argue the Jedi are corrupt but nowhere does Padme look at the Jedi order with disdain even when she doesn't always agree to their methods. Arguably throughout the sequel trilogy tries bringing Ben back to the light and she in no way encourages him to embrace the dark side.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with this

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

Exactly! Good points.

@urmom34150 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly for me at least ben giving his life so that Rey could keep on living was really powerful so I really love his ending

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoy that aspect of the ending too

@killianadams4779 2 ай бұрын

This honestly makes me appreciate Rey and Kylo a lot more. You make great videos!

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

It wasn't out of character for Kylo to take the necklace the way he did.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

I disagree

@thegoodreylo4749 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, yes it does

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

i partially agree

@ardizzo 2 жыл бұрын

If you combine Ben (Kylo Ren's Old Name) and Rey, you get Ren. Kylo Ren? Aye?

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

interesting

@bush_kit Жыл бұрын

I completely agree that Rey and Ben wouldn't get all cute and romantic smack after exegol if Ben lived. I'm actually going to write a fanfic that lies in my own Rise of Skywalker Rewrite universe that focuses on Rey reimmersing him back into society and the Light, and over time they learn more about each other and later on start showing romantic interest.

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

I honestly think the sequel trilogy would have been better if Kylo would have already had or was beginning a redemption arc in The Force Awakens.

@Siberian_Productions 2 жыл бұрын

The answer of why Ben wasn’t with Luke and Leia in the final scene of TROS is an easy one, he simply didn’t posses the knowledge and/or power to become a force ghost. I mean they could have written it so that he did know how to but that’s why he wasn’t in the final scene. Only a few force users out of the entire galaxy were able to become force ghosts (Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, Luke, and Leia) to my knowledge. On another note, good video, I don’t really have too much of an opinion on “Reylo”.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

That argument doesn’t when you consider Anakin was a force ghost in return of the Jedi

@Siberian_Productions 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 I’m sure that will be explored in the Vader comics if it hasn’t already. Anakin is stronger than Ben and had more time to learn about becoming a force ghost.

@deborahminter6231 10 ай бұрын

I think if Kylo would have changed sides at the end of the last Jedi, we would have got to have more of Reylo in Rise of the Skywalker.

@oliverford5367 8 ай бұрын

Or just have Rey join Kylo on the ship, with both of them struggling between light and dark throughout the rest of the film

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

@@oliverford5367 that would have been intriguing, to see them both struggle towards the light.

@ADavid42 2 жыл бұрын

there are soooo many TROS-fixit or Alt fanfictions out there -- that are Canon compatible or divergent but still in the GFFA - -it boggles the mind. There are even a few post-TROS fics that are carefully thought out to make a return possible.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

could be risky

@ADavid42 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 risk-taking? In _my_ Star Wars?

@czerwonykwadrat6843 Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the fanfics were better than the actual script lol

@ADavid42 Жыл бұрын

@@czerwonykwadrat6843 some definitely are! But honestly the bar was so low in TROS (except for Han/Ben scene) that anything is better.

@mydamayll8 2 жыл бұрын

Yes ...only i say yes😁

@stephaniepage4334 Жыл бұрын

Did ben get rey pregnant?

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

JJ knew that the decision to destroy Kylo's mask was dumb, which is why he had Kylo recreate his mask and wear it in Episode 9.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

Nope

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 Yes

@wiezyczkowata Жыл бұрын

I wish there was one movie when two leads would not fall in love and just stayed friends, why couldn't Rey end up with Finn? or even Poe? or not fall in love with anyone

@holylingus Жыл бұрын

I do not understand how this could work. I mean Kylo killed his father, was responsible for the death of Luke. Imprisoned and somewhat tortured ray. Is basically Space Hitler or at least one of his lackeys who blew up a whole system killing billions and after that probably many more and subjugated many worlds. And I do not care how hot a girl or guy looks that did all this but I'd rather rid the universe of him or her than wasting a thought of falling in love ... And what does redeemed even mean ? He is space Hitler and even if he was terribly sorry for what he did, he deserved to die, same if Vader had somehow survived, a galactic tribiunal would have executed him ...

@czerwonykwadrat6843 Жыл бұрын

Have you watched the video

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

The way they executed his character was silly, they wanted a tragic evil character. Didn't we already get that with Anakin?

@Chemical_Argentum Жыл бұрын

I see the Reylo kiss the same way as "Martha" in Batman V Superman. A neat idea, but could have been executed so much better

@rachelseeba6530 2 жыл бұрын

Speaking as someone who adores Reylo, TROS was a tragedy. If I were to just rewrite the ending, I'd have never had Rey die and kiss him on the cheek instead of the lips, showing promise for a relationship without rushing straight into it. I'd also like to see Ben reconcile with Chewie, since Chewie is the only family he has left and I think Chewie would just be glad to have a piece of Han back. And Wookie hugs are awesome!

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

wookie hugs are awesome!

@FrumiousMing8 Жыл бұрын

I think Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver had great chemistry and I love a good enemies to lovers. Two force users on opposite ends of the Force spectrum falling in love is a heady concept. But I really just don't get why Rey would give Kylo the time of day after everything he did! The interrogation scene in TFA isn't what bothered me. Kylo is still a leader of the First Order who commits genocide which she is aware of. Also she witnessed him brutally murder his own father and almost murder Finn, the first two people she's made a real connection with her whole life. In TLJ she asks him why he killed his own father and he doesn't really give her an answer. The First Order is still hunting her and her friends And Kylo is doing nothing to stop that. To me, it's not enough if she senses good in him and is attracted to him. It's not like with Luke trying to redeem his father, Kylo is literally just some random guy who's caused her nothing but pain. I just don't get it.

@niktri8312 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. *watches video*

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for watching!

@johnbarrow7639 Жыл бұрын

Hey gold man, the Dyad in my opinion doesn't work since it was Palpatine working through Snoke when it comes to Bridging the mines of Ben and Rey, since the rise of Skywalker is Canon still, Reylo could work if it had a counterweight in my opinion, like say; Finra: meaning a possible romance between Finn and Rey. And or Finn jealous of Ben, and Rey of Rose, kind of a romance drama. Also if we were to go with just the Dyad, wouldn't it make more for Finn and Rey to have one then Ben Solo with Rey when you really truly consider what the Dyad is supposed to represent.

@yusufraage8554 Жыл бұрын

Ah please no dont make the black guy a simp and a cuck too.

@axtagran7504 2 жыл бұрын

Ngl - back when episode 8 came out I had 0 opinion on reylo like I heard people mention it but I never remembered their characters in a romantic way, and going into episode 9, it barely crossed my mind like I think of kylo for his complex and incredible arc, and rey for her arc of belonging and things being stronger than blood I loved almost all the scenes they shared, but I never took the romance into consideration Yours analysis is really good though Maybe would've preferred them hug like cassian and jyn did, but considering unlike Anakin and padme in episode 1, their connections were built up from the start, I don't find it cringy whatsoever

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

i can get on board with your last comment

@ioncewasmikey Жыл бұрын

Speaking of squandering the most popular character in the sequel trilogy by killing him off & not giving fans more of what they wanted, did you know Luke Skywalker's value as a licensed character plummeted after TLJ? When we know these guys penned the scripts for their sequel films while the prior entries were still being shot, do we really need to question why the 3 movies fail to match up to each other as well? They should have gone into this whole project with a plan. You'd think a 40+ year legacy of iconic films that also happened to make their creator a billionaire would have been treated with some care.

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@ioncewasmikey 8 ай бұрын

@@deborahminter6231 Thank you! Doesn't seem to be a popular opinion in this comments section lol

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

@@ioncewasmikey 👍

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

Keeping Adam behind a mask wouldn't be a crime.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

It would be

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 No, it wouldn't.

@michelapirrone9578 2 жыл бұрын

Star wars Is a Fairy tale but your ending feel a Little bit sugary ( with all respect , I don t Say Is bad)

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

i dont take offense, but what's so "sugary" about it. All i have is Ben Solo not dying and they potentially end up together

@michelapirrone9578 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 all the death in the past movies fell less heavier ,the death of Solo fell like Is without great consequences and Is a very classic Happy ending seen in a lot of movies

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

The decision Rian made to destroy Kylo's mask was the antithesis of brilliant.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

It was genius

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 It was the antithesis of brilliant.

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 I mean It was the antithesis of genius.

@NickGold25 2 жыл бұрын

Idk how I feel about reylo

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

watch the video and let me know!

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

Why do you hate Kathleen Kennedy?

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

i dont

@ontasbulent5709 2 жыл бұрын

Me seeing Rey and Kylo kiss: oh so anyway

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

huh

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

Kylo in The Last Jedi would have done something like that.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

Nope

@tturpin9712 2 жыл бұрын

@@thegoldman25 Yes, he would have.

@oldman5247 2 жыл бұрын

It would’ve if Kylo Ren was less of a creep. If I had to elaborate otherwise; the relationship should’ve had more time to develop. Some scenes where Kylo and Rey got to know each other. Other than fighting one another. Granted this might’ve been corny if it had happened. But more scenes like the diad scenes from (the scenes where we see Ben Swolo) The Last Jedi. Would’ve convinced me that Reylo could work.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

you make good points!

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

I thought the scenes between Kylo/Ben and Rey were good, but I didn't think Kylo's character was handled very well.

@flamingoflyer8009 2 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t work for me. I liked Finn and Rey better. Rey and Kylo felt forced to me when they seemed much better as friends/companions learning more about the Force through their unique bond.

@thegoldman25 2 жыл бұрын

a lot of people share your sentiment

@vittoriacolona 2 жыл бұрын

Rey friendzoned Finn as soon as he asked her if she had a boyfriend. And when he was lying unconscious she kissed him on the FOREHEAD. Not the lips not even the cheek a more intimate part of the body. I have a personality very close Rey and I know women like her. They don't go for guys like Finn who didn't even get himself rank as a ST or become an officer. They go for driven ambitious men like Ren or Ben. Finn is a harmless nice guy that's it. Ren (like Rey) likes to learn and better himself.

@CometStar100 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@oliverford5367 8 ай бұрын

FinnRey is a brother and sister relationship. They're best friends but have no heat

@deborahminter6231 8 ай бұрын

They might have made good companions.