All parts have their timestamps here your welcome 1: What is a Mary Sue 1:45 2: The Force Awakens 9:00 3: The Last Jedi 1:04:06 4: The Rise of Skywalker 1:35:15 5: External Material 2:14:29 6: Conclusion 2:20:50

I’ve never really felt one way or another about this topic because I’m biased towards the Sequels as they’re the first Star Wars movies I’ve seen in theaters (my parents thought the prequels would scare me). I haven’t yet finished the video but I really like the argument you’ve made so far and I like seeing people defend these movies.

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I was pretty well convinced before watching your videos that Rey was a Mary Sue. Watching your content however has given me a new perspective. I think your points were well thought out and well stated. I'm actually looking forward to watching the sequel trilogy again. Thank you.

About the Force calling her to the lightsaber... notice how this happens right after Finn leaves her, an act that reminds her a lot the day her parents left. Immediatly after, she hears her voice as a child, so... The Force is calling her because she needs to let go of them. Thats my interpretation.

great video you changed my mind in a lot of things about the sequel trilogy thanks for that

I seriously doubt anyone who commented negative things actually watched the whole thing.

This has to be one of the greatest videos about the sequels! Man I share a lot of your points, and I've been trying to explain this to others but they just don't want to hear a good argument I've just subscribed, great channel!!

Now this is the good, wholesome Star Wars content I need more of in my life. Thank you Golden Man!

This video has over 3.5 thousand comments, yet after more than a year The Gold Man still replies to the majority of them is commendable to say the least. The fact that he is respectful and polite in replying to some of the most hateful comments is why this channel is my favourite Star Wars channel on KZfaq. To The Gold Man: Thank you so much for being a positive example of how to be not just a great SW fan, but a decent person in general! That's a rare find on the internet.

Thank you for taking the time.

47:00 actually no, it's just one of the "Mary Sue moments", because the main villain of the film changes his goal, and instead of directly finding the map that is under his nose, he captured Rey, instead of kill her, like he did with the old man at the beginning of the movie, who also saw the map. How, please explain to me (no need, this is a rhetorical device), you can pull out a whole map from a person’s head, despite the fact that she saw it for several seconds, transfer it to a navigation computer with exact coordinates and so that it all turns out to be correct, I think this is 200% failed idea. Yes, at the beginning of the film, Rey is a likeable character, not that it coincides with the conditions in which she grew up, but this can be forgiven. But then it gets worse, the plot is bending under Rey, the characters grow dumber, weaker, show mercy unusual for them (Kylo), run to hug (Leia), although they see her for the first time, and even trust to such an extent that they entrust the mission, the solution of which was the main goal of first movie. Yeah, there's definitely no reason to consider her a Mary Sue.

Also consider Kylos emotional state immediately after killing his father Edit: and so you did 😂

I actually got tired of explaining this to people so I’m happy I bumped into this channel. Now I can just share a link. Great video btw, amazing work!

im rewatching the whole thing you changed my LIFE man

This video is awesome, is a complete analysis. Amazing. Thanks for this.

I usually do not comment, and do not even "Like" videos, I tend to be a passive user on the platform, and just "share" a content with the people I know if I think it's worth it enough. Well, this time I had to "Like and comment" not only because you're work is amazing, and this video is splendid, but also because the "Dislikes" are TOO MANY and it doesn't make any damn sense; I'm sure half of these people didn't even watch the video, and it drives me crazy, so i felt the need to compensate, even if with just one small like. Great content and thanks again for your analysis!

I know this was released like, years ago, but I've been watching alot of your vids, and these sequel ones are really helping me appreciate all that there is to like about ROS So thank you. I really appreciate this channel and your analysis

Yes, you can logically infer how Rey became knowledgeable about fixing things, and also how she was capable of defending herself and you can easily draw parallels between Rey and Luke in this regard. Where your comparison starts to fall down however is in her ability to expertly pilot a ship. Luke is shown to have access to a T-16 (it's hangered in the Homestead). He also expressed a wish to join the academy as a pilot. Later in the movie it is established that Luke is in fact a highly skilled pilot having practiced in ships of similar size and handling characteristics to the X-Wing he'd ultimately end up flying. It was also established that a lot of his flying experience included target practice. Let's also not forget that Luke had a significant amount of help during the death star battle. He had and entire fighter/bomber wing backing him up. He had Obi-Wan's force ghost in his ear (possibly even exerting influence over his actions) and he was also saved by Han and Chewie during the final trench run. Even despite this, Luke didn't get off scott free. His ship sustained damage during the battle, losing both an engine and R2 in the process. Rey on the other hand jumps into the Millennium Falcon, a ship that hasn't flown in years and (by her own admission) having never piloted it before. She then proceeds to out manoeuvre experienced First Order pilots in highly maneuverable fighter craft. Nothing in the dialog leading up to that point suggests she has ever flown a spacecraft, let alone one like the Falcon. Even if we make the assumption that she was trained to fly as part of her role as a scavenger, it's one thing to be able to pilot a junk freighters transporting materials around Jakku - to dogfighting against trained fighter pilots in faster more maneuverable ships. In terms of her force powers. By the end of The Last Jedi, Rey was displaying mastery of her Force powers mere days after learning it was even a thing. The only comparable display we have seen on screen was Yoda in AOTC - yet he was a 900 year old Jedi master at that point. Luke on the other hand had to concentrate intensely just to lift a single rock despite receiving training from two Jedi masters and having 3 years between ANH and ESB to practice. Even after all this, he still failed to lift the X-wing out of the swamp.

45:39 And then Rey did a backflip, snapped the bad guy's neck, and saved the day.

I love the video but only have one thing that I found wrong. At one point you say that there is no other examples in canon of people struggling to use a Jedi mind trick but Ezra struggles with it for a little while in Rebels. Other than that I loved the video and love all of the others videos that you make.

Thank you so much for all your contents fairly addressing both bad AND good sides of the sequels. Especially a video like this seriously bravely address the hates towards Rey. The point about double standard is literally can be applied thorough the entire argument and every haters have been ignoring it so thank you for logically analysing every scenes.

Wow this video was really well made! Amazing job, I can tell you worked very hard on this video. I'm definitely going to subscribe

Although I still think Rey is a Mary Sue, your video was genuinely well done and gave me a new perspective. Thank you for the algorithm recommending me this!

This video is criminally underrated. I was one of those people who considered Rey a Mary Sue because I didn't like her at first and because almost everyone else seemed to not like her either. It wasn't until recently that I've finally started getting tired of all the incessant Sequel bashing. This video was like the nail in the coffin. Beautifully explained points. Not only do I have reason to never consider Rey a Mary Sue again, but I think I also have a lot more respect for the trilogy because of this video.

Very thorough video, I’m halfway through so far so I don’t know if you touch on this, but just from a franchise standoint Rey being able to do force abilities that we’ve seen in the Original Trilogy is literally just the film makers trying to keep the movies fresh. Some fans didn’t want her to be able to Jedi mind trick or force pull the lightsaber without the training, but as an audience these are all things we’ve seen before so it just feels natural for her to be able to do them. The alternative of her having to learn all this stuff from Luke first would make the ST be even more similar to the OT and feel stale for the audience because when someone goes into a new Star Wars movie they expect force abilities and lightsabers.

Bro great video I wish this could be shown to a much larger audience than you have you make great sequels content keep it up

I finally finished it and it is just perfect. Also the ending part where you talk about the fandom is the best and really wholesome

I really appreciate you and you’re video dude, I wouldn’t say I personally agree on every point but this is way better and by far more well done than that Syfy video where the girl calls anyone who says Rey is a Mary su is sexist

I agree with you on a lot of points. I would almost say that Rey is not a mary sue, but there are some things unexplained. 1) Luke, after being trained by Yoda, couldn’t lift up the x-wing. Rey, after leaving Luke, was able to lift multiple tons of rocks. Even Yoda struggled to save a support beam from hitting anakin and obi wan. Yet rey reached out one hand and did it with ease. 2) yes she may have had experience scavenging and what not, but when did she ever learn to pilot a large spacecraft such as the millenium falcon. Luke piloted an x wing but WAS UNABLE to pilot the falcon. Proof is in ANH in the cantina scene, Luke says price is outrageous and he could buy his own ship for that price ‘yeah, but whos gonna pilot it, you?’ ‘You bet I could’ yet they still go to Han and Luke doesnt even assist as copilot. I agree that Rey DOES have flaws. However, she is also more powerful than reasonable. I dont care that she can force heal. I care that there are no repurcussions for her. She is not even fatigued after force healing either time, yet Kylo dies from it? I want continuity. I think the reason I hate the sequels so much is a) continuity like mentioned, and b) missed potential, such as Finn. You have such a cool character who is obviously force sensitive, but throw him aside [insert ‘I dont wanna play with you anymore’ meme] I do think you did a great job articulating your points and they were very clear. Good job!

Not quite my thing, but major props for making a video this length and with this quality of clips and audio. This must've been a monster to process! Good on ya, Gold Man!

At 1:51:30, I totally agree. I loved Rey from the beginning because of the way she treats droids. In the original trilogy and the prequels, most characters, even the good guys, treat droids as if they are, at best, pets. Rey treats droids as if they are people. The way she treats BB8 and asking C3PO the odds show this to be the case.

Hypeeeee! Gonna watch it this afternoon!

As a new Star Wars content creator, seeing this video was extremely inspiring. I absolutely loved it!

Hey dude! Great video! I've been wanting someone to talk about why this complaint is just wrong and im glad you did just that! Take the sub!

Don't really care too much for star wars, but this was a really good, informative video. Can't wait to watch more of your vids ☺️

This a really well made video. I've never thought Rey is insanely overpowered, but your videos alone have made me appreciate the Sequels so much more.

Interestingly, what a lot of people miss is that the trope namer was actually satire, and the bit about how characters like that should be avoided in any other context was kinda the point. It wasnt enough that its plot had unexpected points, she actually gets away with things that would be illegal both in the federation itself and in the us at the time, and other characters do illegal things to and for her. The original series had had many such characters, but most people miss that because they weren’t main characters.

So i just watched this... Wow.... I grew up with the release of the prequels and spent my childhood watching every SW movie back to back every week for literally years, read the movie novels, and so much more: point being, I know Star Wars VERY well. I personally love all of the sequel movies, TLJ actually being my all time favorite SW movie! Ive argued and talked to sooooooooo many sequel haters about so many different things and I really never understood why some people think Rey is a Mary Sue. ive heard all their arguments and reasons, but they always struck me as simply just them either misunderstanding the sequels, or not paying attention. This video PERFECTLY sums up the things ive been saying for years! Awesome video man! Its sad half the people watching this video are haters who, im willing to bet, either didnt even watch any of this video, or are in complete denial based off their own nostalgia and biases. I can understand why some people dont like the sequels, thats totally fine. But as I always say, there is a difference between disliking something and HATING something, and all the haters are very irrational and unreasonable. Edit: You brought up a lot of things I didnt catch that make me appreciate the sequels even more! Awesome job! Its nice seeing people like you on the internet who arent just fat neck beard nerds throwing temper tantrums over some space fantasy movie they didnt like due to their own nostalgia bias and double standards. There needs to be more people like you.

Great video! I can tell this took a lot of hard work!

2:25:24 “If this video means the world to one person who loves Rey but is so disappointed by the way she’s been hated upon by this fandom” Please count me as that person! Thank you for expressing those feelings so well and the courage to post them on the internet. Your positiveness is clear and appreciated. The heartfelt thoughts about listening to and respecting others' opinions is so needed at this time. This is an amazing video! A couple questions. An estimate of how many hours this took to make? Did you have any hesitation, self doubt or ever consider not posting it?

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Great video 😁👍

Great analysis. I don't agree with every point but you make a very clear well structured argument. Great video!

Can't wait to link this whenever I get into an argument also the Klaud cutout is amazing

[licks the ratio] "It's salt."

I loved this, thank you for your hard work!

Great video!👍

Not sure when I'm gonna find time to watch the whole thing, but I'm 34 minutes in and this is great. You earned a sub.

Rey isn't a Mary Sue in the same way that the pope isn't catholic

Brilliant job! Thank you so much!

woah, we have the same R2D2 mug, btw thank you for making this AWESOME video!

I can't understand why there is more dislikes than likes This video is incredible It's probably just haters who havnt seen the entire video

Pretty wild that you put this together. I can't wait to listen to it today.

What’s the video from 2:14:56 - 2:15:19? I’d love to see a closeup of the rest of that bookshelf.

You are the chousen one. You will bring balanse to the fandom... *dies

Interesting video. As someone who hated the sequels, I'm glad you were able to change my mind on a few points. Even though I still dislike the sequel trilogy, I now have a new look on Rey's character and enjoy the character more. Keep up the amazing work you put in your videos!!

Thank you for making this video!

LOVE IT! Used to be a sequel hater myself, but this has to be one of my favorite videos on this whole platform! It totally changed my mind about her!

Just an amazing video!

Just got done watching the whole thing, and I have to say this is a great video. It’s nice to see the sequel trilogy/Rey getting more love, a rare thing to find on KZfaq. I appreciate the dedication you put into this, you made a lot of good points that if I didn’t already like Rey as a character, this video probably would have changed my mind. I found your channel about a month ago and had this video saved ever since, glad I finally watched it. Keep on making great content!

I love this video so much and I'm 19 minutes into it you keep bringing up so many things I've wanted to say about the complaints of Rey in a really well done way and I smile everytime you keep bringing your points, I love this shit.

This was well put together. I disagree with it, but I appreciate the work you put into it, and I left a LIKE

I think the whole Mary Sue argument would be undermined if Rey's actions had more long term consequences The great thing about the OT and PT is how people get their arms and stuff chopped off That's a significant consequence since it's permanent P.S. I never really liked Luke because of his rapid progression He is a good character though but a bit plain sometimes His best moments come from his struggle where he genuinely just loses his cool

For all the fans who don’t agree, don’t take personal shots at The Gold Man. He’s one of the few SW KZfaqrs that posts positive videos and it’s refreshing. Now, fans have a right to disagree about Rey being a Mary Sue and should make their points why. But keep it constructive, he’s a good guy!

Great vid Goldman! I'm enjoying your content

Thank you so much for this!!! i only reached to the end of ep 7 analysis, but i'm already in love with this. The way i see it, rey is basically the lieutenant ripley of star wars. Just like ellen, rey isn't an experienced warrior, and even the fact that she had powers doesn't make her inmediately unstoppable. No, just like ellen, rey used her surviving skills, her brain, her ease to adapt, etc. Both of them were nobodies, flawed and scared, but in the end they overcome their fears in order to grow. Thank you for making me realize that. And i will like to point out only two things (the fact that there is only two means you actually explained it so well 👏): -You could've mentioned how han solo's death also has a huge importance in rey's developement. Obviously the fact that finn came back for her was absolutely important as well, but think about it. Rey ran to the forest cause she refused to accept her future, represented in anakin's lightsaber, and therefore she got captured by kylo. Therefore, han, chewie and finn went to save her. Therefore, han died. Non of that would have happened if rey didn't run away in the first place. Her failure had consequences and she saw it in her own eyes. That alone was enough for her to realize how naive she has been. -You don't need to explain the hole force parabola. Cause what rey did WASN'T A BIG DEAL. She just called to the force to empower herself (more specifically her physical strenght), and that something we've seen all over star wars. Luke did it to redirect proton charges to fire to the weakness in the death star, without any previous training in that field. Leia did it TWICE to resist the interrogation of an inquisitor (as a kid) and darth vader himself (ep 4). Ezra Bridger could comunicate to animals very easily, and that is something kanan didn't taught him. We didn't saw jaro tapal teaching cal how to sense the force echo, so that is basically something unique about him. If we didn't need an explanation for that... we don't need an explanation of how rey could do something as simple as calling the force to enhance her strenght. Apart from that, great video!!! Can't wait to keep watching 🙌

This was awesome Gold Man, nice work!

Dude u responded to every comment +Respect

Love the video!!

Oooh, got to the Rey Palpatine bit. your analysis is good, but I dispute the idea that Abrams did it as part of a keen eye towards narrative structure (Because RoS proves he doesn't have one). As I recall by all accounts they had already started filming before they actually knew who Rey was going to be (he certainly didn't know who she was before that). If it was the only retcon I might be able to buy it but they reversed/dropped basically everything that TLJ set up. I don't necessarily think it was that he *hated* TLJ as such, I suspect he/disney execs were reacting to the backlash and went 'we need to appease the fans' so they undid *everything* in a way that intentional or not was just flat insulting. Luke's line when he catches the sabre is an outright take that at TLJ (which for me soured what was actually a perfectly in character and good line). Now I do think Rey Palpatine was the most interesting (not to mention only logical if she's a legacy descendant) identity, partially for the ideas you've listed, and had it been planned from the beginning it could have been really good. As a clumsy retcon it didn't.

This whole hubbub about Rey has just confused me because "Chosen Ones" and simple Force Prodigies have literally always been a thing. Even Sith have Chosen Ones (Bane, Darth Imperius/Nox). There's folks like Darth Zannah who shielded herself from a Thought Bomb as a *child* with no previous signs of Force affinity, while Sith and Jedi Masters all over the planet dropped like flies. But all of a sudden its a problem when Rey can lift some rocks and beat a horribly injured and conflicted dark side user who then goes on to beat her ass after she trains hard for a year? BS.

First I want to congratulate you on making this video, it must have been a LOT of work. I think you did a very good job and you left no stone unturned. Second I want to say that the last five or six minutes of your video is somthing I think all fans of star wars need to listen to. I always knew Rey wasn't a mary sue but if there is anything that you have changed my mind about when it comes to the sequels was you talked about her character in TROS. I'm not a fan of TROS but what you talked about her character in that film made me appreciate it a little bit more. I loved how you talked about her taking the name of Skywalker and how maybe future characters who feel alone could do the same and I think that is a brilliant idea. Also you talking about striving to be compassionate everyday really resonated with me. I work at a hospital and I deliver/ take food orders for patients. I come across a lot of mean people and I see a lot of terrible things so I try my very best to stay positive and compassionate. I think you really succeeded in your video, it was insightful and you made your points very loud and clear. It's going to be a video I'll be returning to time and again.

There's a lot of stuff in there I didn't agree with, but you made a lot of good points, along with some great observations about the movies. Some nice comments at the end too. Respect.

2:26 I think its important to address that established characters can be Gary Stus. For example, in Man of Steel, I think its fair to say that Superman isn't a Gary Stu. He has many character flaws and has to overcome quite a few different challenges and face different consequences. However, in Joss Whedon's Justice League, he is beyond just being an overpowered character. He is so powerful and so unchallenged that he makes virtually every other character pretty much useless and incompetent. They are completely dependent on him to stop everything and he makes the other members of the team flat out useless. For example, whilst being able to carry a building full of civilians, he is still able to beat the Flash with his superspeed, despite how in may of the comics and so much other media, its established how the Flash is even faster than the Man of Steel. This is something I think that also applies to Han Solo in the Solo movie. Generally what I think it comes down to is who is writing these stories and characters in their works and how it may or may not contradict with the established rules of the universes in which they are constrained to.

I don't think she is a Mary Sue either but I still feel like she was a little too powerful in the Rise of Skywalker but basically everyone in that movie was too powerful lol. Anyway really good video and keep up the great work.

I just want to tell you that I watched the entire video and man, what a great job you did here. I have many thoughts after hearing everything but for now I just want to tell you. THANK YOU. I already liked it, I already subscribed. Please keep creating more awesome stuff. People like you are what this community needs. Here, with me, you already have a view and a like always guaranteed.

I love Rey but why can she understand Chewy? Jokes aside;I actually can relate to Rey,things in my personal life are very similar to Rey’s upbringing,including taking my parental figure’s last name.I’m not saying I’m incredibly talented naturally like Rey but i can actually relate w/Rey from TFA up until TROS. Great video!

I find it rather ironic how the same people yelling at everyone about “bad writing” are pissed off about a bunch of things they are shown, not told.

THIS WAS AMAZING! AWESOME WORK!!!

As someone that fully believed and was on board the Mary Rey train for all these years. I won't lie.... this video has completely changed my mind and I am excited to watch the trilogy in a different light now. Don't get me wrong I do enjoy the sequel trilogy, despite its flaws. Well made video, thanks for this.

1:45:52 Fun fact: In Legends (The Jedi Path), it’s stated that younglings are taught basic force healing for sting blasts from training remotes, while “Jedi Healer” was a career option for Jedi Knights

I just finished the video... DUDE!!!!!!!!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯✊✊✊✊✊👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 You succeed, gold man. The force will be with you, ALWAYS I want to point out a few things that are basically the same as I said in my previous comment: we don't need an explanation for Rey's powers. I like how you figured out it was all about the dyad, but even so, her fighting against the praetorian guards isn't THAT weird. Rey already knew how to fight, she trained herself a little bit with the lightsaber in ahch-to, and obviously the force enhanced her abilities. What we were shown is enough to understand why Rey could stand her ground against the guards. At the beginning of the fight, Rey and kylo were blocking the guards' rampage together, but then they got separated, and while kylo was fighting most of the guards himself, Rey was struggling against THREE. Just THREE. That alone shows us how experienced kylo is compared to rey. And obviously the fact that one guard alone stood her ground against her while kylo was fighting more at that same moment... well, already says a lot xd. So I don't think every skill Rey has needs to be explained by the force dyad. People just overreact about everything she does. But it's just them being toxic. Don't listen to them. On the other hand, you did good explaining why she could do force lightning, but again, the force dyad explanation was unnecessary. Training in the force doesn't imply that you become stronger or better. It's more about indoctrination on one of its sides. The jedi indoctrinate their students in the light, while the sith in the dark. As yoda points out, the dark side isn’t more powerful, it’s just easier, and that’s why it is easy to fall for it. That’s basically what happened to rey. She fell easily for her negative emotions and did force lightning by accident. And this isn’t even the first time we’ve seen this. Count dooku did force lightning for the first time when he was a jedi, by accident and before meeting sidious. So training is more about indoctrination and perfecting abilities more than to become stronger in those skills. Anyone can use the force without training as we’ve seen multiple time before the sequels. Just that, you don’t need to relate all of Rey's abilities to the force dyad. Apart from that… BEST VIDEO ABOUT THE SEQUEL TRILOGY I’VE EVER SEEN!!!! 🙌

A well reasoned argument on sequels that gives deeper context? Must comment to boost algorithm! 👏

You're literally pulling my thoughts out of my brain as if reading a book 😂😂 excellent video. Points I would like to add to support each section: *The Force Awakens* Jakku is completely a survival of the fittest planet. When one of the tie fighters crash you see a bunch of scavengers clamouring towards the wreckage. That's the environment Rey grew up in. Scavengers scrapping over scrap. So of course she knows how to fight. It's a natural bi-product of surviving on Jakku as long as she has. Rey is on the Backfoot in the Kylo fight the entire time, despite all of Kylos disadvantages (dead dad, bowcaster wound, additional Finn wounds), she only succeeds when she does what Maz Kanata tells her at the Castle _"I am no Jedi, but I know the force. It moves through and surrounds every living thing. Close your eyes. Feel it. The light. It's always been there. It will guide you"_ Notice what Rey does in the fight with Ben, the second he says "I can show you the ways of the force!" she goes "Force?" and then she _closes her eyes_ . She is recalling what Maz said to her. And it guides her final blows as Maz promised it would. *The Last Jedi* I read the Rey vs Luke "fight" the same way, Luke backing down when she grabs the lightsaber I never read as defeat, but simply the moment when Luke stopped toying with her. I imagine in his head when she grabbed the lightsaber he went "Oh crap she's serious, I'd better not let this escalate any further". I think Reys triple kill can be explained quite easily. In TFA she was the one who set the shot up for Finn. Likewise in this scene Rey is only as good as she is because of Chewie. Chewie the experienced Falcon flier keeps setting her up. In a soccer game you could be the best striker in the world, but if your wingman doesn't repeatedly set you up with a perfect crosses into the box the strikers skill is for nought. Rey has the quick reflexes, but it's CHEWIE who keeps lining up the shots for her. All she has to do is pull the trigger at the right time. *The Rise of Skywalker* Ahsoka also holds a moving ship in the clone wars finale. I like to think the TROS Luke lesson "confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi" would have been the Third Lesson in LTJ (Rian Johnson confirmed the deleted scene lesson in that film wasn't the "third lesson", but an extension of the second; The Legacy of the Jedi is failure: The Jedi ran headlong into the Clone Wars without thinking about the consequences or getting perspective on the situation, similarly Rey runs headlong into the village without thinking about the implications or getting all the facts). With LTJ mindset Luke would have tied this true third lesson to the Jedi orders failure as they didn't confront fear effectively like their role as maintainers of balance required. A better solution would have been something new in Lukes warped mindset, but of course TLJ was about learning from failure so his third lesson is clear from this cynicism in TROS. I would have seen the 'healing' at the end as a Force Resurrection, not a force heal. Saving someone who is injured or dying is different to bringing someone back who is dead. FYI here Ben gets to do the thing Anakin wanted in ROTS (keep the one he cared about, from dying), but Anakin was possessive, he wanted to save Padme because he needed her for himself, but Ben selflessly gave up his life for Rey. Anakin was trying to have his cake and eat it too (stay alive himself and keep Padme). *External Material* Quote from Ahsoka Novel Chapter 20 discussing natural potential in the untrained: _"Ahsoka wasn’t too surprised that Hedala could sense something she could not. It happened frequently with younglings. They’d be good at one aspect of the Force and not at others until they were trained. Obi-Wan told her that Anakin had been found by Obi-Wan’s master, Qui-Gon, because of his quick reflexes. It was her ability to sense people’s feelings and intentions that had marked her. Hedala was apparently good at sensing danger from a distance. Not a bad skill to have, untrained, at a time when having any skill at all was enough to make her an automatic target."_ I don't even see this as "external material" because it's just describing what we see repeatedly in all star wars media. Anakin has quick reflexes, Ezra can perform force jumps (feats of unnatural acrobatics), Luke also displayed quick reflexes like his father and was able to levitate the lightsaber in the cave on Hoth. Rey apparently is naturally gifted at the mind trick, and levitation of rocks, even in this instance it will be down to experimentation based on myths, and growing up on a "survival of the fittest" planet means she has to adapt quickly or die, so shes been raised to be a fast learner. Following this, other external material, forces of destiny shows Rey practicing lifting rocks (and porgs) on Ahch-To which prepares her for the end of the film when she has to lift rocks. I think people think Yoda's species is naturally stronger is because 1) The species is incredibly rare, every single member of those we have seen, Yoda, Yaddle and now Grogu are all incredibly gifted (2 are council members). We never see a Yoda species in mundane role like mechanic or junk dealer, no regular Yodas. 2) there's the line in TPM "Not even master Yoda has a midichlorian count that high", which implies Yoda is the benchmark for the highest known living midichlorian count (which governs ones natural potential). So we can infer Yodas species is naturally gifted, at least unless his species becomes less mysterious. Star Wars presents Yodas kind repeatedly as special and rare. *Conclusions* I feel like this whole issue has given birth to what we can call "Sue Goggles". Like you know how when people date a new person they only see the best things about them they say that they're looking at them with "Rose Tinted Glasses 👓" ignoring all flaws? That double standard you bring up definitely exists causing them to watch the movie with these "Sue Goggles". It's similar to all the fans being obsessed with who's parents Rey were, so they watched the movies with "Lineage" goggles, filtering every single piece of dialogue as related to this idea. After TFA in 2015 Like when Maz asks "who's the girl?" to Han, people imagined Han and Maz spoke about her secret lineage off screen thinking that they were both privy to information 🙄 when all it literally was was Maz wanting to be brought up to speed on what's happened so far in the movie 😂😂😂 so with the Sue goggles theyre looking for reasons to call her a Mary Sue because that's the conclusion they have already come to. The reasons could literally be as petty as the childish playground "Boys are better than girls" mentality (we've all been there, it's the same as the age old debate "my dad's stronger than your dad" 😂😂😂) it's just manifesting itself in a stupid way in adulthood on a subconscious level. Alternatively as others have said, a subconscious "Anti Disney" mindset could be skewing people's conclusion of the material. There are plenty of legitimate gripes with the sequel trilogy, but "Rey is a Mary Sue" certainly isn't one of them. Its people parroting people who are parroting Max Landis. I make no attempt to be exhaustive of all the possible reasons for people's attitudes (there will be more than this), or to label who is specifically what, or even to generalise and say that all Mary Sue campers are the same. I cannot read everyones individual feelings and motives. it's up to each individual person to examine themselves and determine whether they are being genuine or whether they are projecting preconceived subconscious notions into the material.

Well done!

AMEN!! Excellent video. I wholeheartedly agree 👍🏻🤘🏻

Yeah I dont get why people get really angry at other fans. I personally didnt like luke in the sequel's was that great, but I dont get why people get so mad at other star wars fans. Also I think I have one of the most controversial favorite star wars movie ( Attack of the clones) lol

How does this not have more views (and likes) this is so well made

I just discovered your channel and I really enjoyed that someone loved the sequels and doesn't care to say it. I had time and decided go watch this video. The video was great and very entertaining. I disagree in two points. First I think is very nice that she doesn't stab anybody with a lightsaber. Especially the Palpatine guards. It felt very Jedi. She didn't killed anybody after Ahch-to voluntary he just deflect. Secondly the skiff in Kef Bir. They look very simple and I think it had few controls.

Finally got to the end.... I'm actually crying man. Such a good video. And I've said it before, but I don't feel alone anymore in this fandom, I love and defend Rey for pretty much all these same reasons, and most of the time I get laughed at. So much so that I just wanted to say (pardon the language) "F*CK THIS FANDOM" Altogether. Not because I believe those people are bad but it just felt like someone kept punching me in the stomach over and over again, no matter how hard I tried. I mentioned it on another comment about my family and how not all of them are blood related to me. (I'm sure you remember 👍) to wrap this up, this was wonderful and all I can say is thank you from the bottom of my heart ❤️

Me: sees the likes and dislikes are equal. Should I tip the tide?

I respect how deeply you were able to dive into the sequel trilogy and thoroughly dissect many of the ideas and points many people don’t often value or notice. I had always been a fan of episode 7 and 8, but not so much 9, however, your video made me value some things about episode 9 that I had not considered before. While I may still not love that movie as much as the other two in the trilogy, you definitely made me open my eyes more to certain aspects of the film that I was more ignorant of. Thank you! Great work on this video.

I am about an hour into the video and it's given me another perspective on Rey’s abilities an her overall behavior. Still there are some things to criticize even at this point. It seems to me like one of your main points for her to know how to do stuff, is that she has been a scavenger for years prior. And while this might well be a good explanation for her climbing skills etc., however it doesn't really translate to the force pull in her fight with Kylo. Over the course of Star Wars many, certainly not all, characters had to train extensively to properly use the force. Examples for that are Luke, who only learned to use the force in Episode V during his training with Yoda, or Ezra, who, despite having a great mentor and being a child, still needed loads of time to learn the ways of the force. Rey even getting the idea to pull the lightsaber via force seems illogical to me. Another point I must criticize is Kylo being wounded. I am not saying that the Bowcasters shot didn’t take it’s toll on him, but at this distance the Caster loses much of its energy, making it less lethal, therefore not injuring Kylo very severely. You also said that no other characters have fought with such injuries, but in the Rebels season 2 finale Vader gets a heavy strike from Ahsoka’s blades, opening his mask. Despite that he fiercely continuous fighting. And again, you mention Rey’s force capabilities with the “force parabola”. I don’t get, how Rey would in an instant know how to use the force. Luke had Obi-Wan teach him some basics on “seeing without seeing” on the way to Alderaan, but that’s all he knows for a while. In general Rey calling upon the force without any mentoring from another force-user does not seem like something she would be able to do. (Also the “force parabola” falls apart to an extend when looking at Mace Windu, who used both the dark and light site(signaled by the purple saber), who still was one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy) To this point you definitely have showed me a way to appreciate and understand more, but some things just won’t make sense for me an many others. EDIT: You said that Rey is always hated upon, while Luke and Anakin had a weaker exposition then her. From the factual point of view its true, her generell skills make more sense. And I dont really know how to describe it and where it comes from, but with Luke and Anakin it has a more natural feeling. Maybe its the other things in the sequels projecting on Rey's character, I have no Idea. Just wanted to add that. EDIT 2: This video is over two years old, so you could not have watched Mando season 2 and Book of Boba Fett, yet, i want to point out, that you said that Grogu "just used the force", although he was a literal child. It is later reveald that he had indeed been trained at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. So his and Reys force powers can not be compared. EDIT 3: Slight addition to edit 1: The sole existence of this video shows the problem with Rey. It takes two and a half hours to understand, why Rey's decicsons are logical and why her charcter makes sense. You have to think about why she does things. It's too deep for Star Wars. A short three movies at least. Thats also why Mando works better as a character. He gets more time. JJ Abrams wanted to create something that didn't fit into a 6 hour plot. Luke, Anakin, most of the movies characters were much simpler. Their actions didn't need further thought. Just a Theory I wanted to throw out here

Hey man, I really enjoyed the video! Thank you for taking the time to make such an awesome video for such an awesome character! I'm sorry TFM and other Alt right folks are giving you a hard time on it rn 😟 If I can offer some constructive criticism, you seem to deviate from the point of video a lil, and instead focus on Rey's journey, rather then the topic of her not being a Mary Sue. I loved your analysis of her arc, but it happened a lil too much! Still loved the video tho, and I am now subscribed!

Yes ... been waiting for this. Long overdue.

I have one point to add to the force healing and how it doesn’t break the lore. Palpatine says in the movie "The lifeforce of your bond... A dyad in the force. A power like life itself. Unseen for generations. And now the power of two restores the one, true emperor." The way I interpret this line is that Palpatine is saying that the reason Rey and Kylo can force heal stab wounds and bring the other back from the dead is because of the dyad they share. I still think that force healing is a thing with or without a dyad but the dyad is what makes it so powerful. Also can you do a video about the Holdo maneuver?

omg, finally someone did this great video, I like this. thank you so much

Great work! Really enjoyed this an appreciate the time you put in - can't imagine the time it took to put this all together. I think one of the most important things you say is "logically infer". The lack of doing so is not only problem in watching and analyzing a film but also in other aspects of life. A couple of minor things from the video. You noted that Rey manning the turret bothers you a little and compared it to how Finn struggles to man the turret on Jakku. First, Finn does tell Poe he has never done this before when they are escaping the Star Destroyer. So, Finn and Rey are both beginners in this respect. Second, Chewie is flying the Falcon when Rey is shooting whereas Rey is flying the Falcon (as you point out, erratically) when Finn is shooting. I assume Chewie is flying and setting up these shots better, so I think that helps explain her success compared to Finn - along with just having a lot more targets. Rey's Jedi mind trick in TFA was fine to me because I view Jedi mind trick's as one of the more basic Force abilities Jedi have. Rey's first attempt reminded me of Luke telling Yoda, "I'll try" because Daisy delvers the mind trick the same way Mark delivered the "I'll try" - neither believed what they were saying. The First Order Stormtrooper did not believe it either. Thus, Rey's second attempt is delivered with confidence and it works. Obi-Wan told Luke that Jedi mind tricks are especially effective on the weak minded. Stormtroopers have been brain-washed and are especially weak-minded. Rey only does her mind tricks on Stormtroopers. Lastly, it is debatable whether Force healing was introduced in Rise of Skywalker. As others have noted, Obi-Wan may have used Force healing when he put his hand to Luke's head after Luke was attacked by the Tusken Raider and Luke regains consciousness.

Both Luke and Anakin was pilots since before you know