scared of the trans BOOGIE MAN

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6 ай бұрын

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@kianaolive 6 ай бұрын

He said so many words and yet not a point was made.

@reformatted6272 6 ай бұрын

Omg what was he saying😭

@votuhtx 6 ай бұрын

They way he was talking, you just know he walked away thinking he totally owned Jovan too. He probably does this a lot, baffling people with his bullshit and walking away with a sense of false pride that he's some great debater no one can match. This was entertaining but rough to sit thru lol

@MrSamuel1438 6 ай бұрын

"Philosophy ain't that hard bro"

@christophersuli1554 6 ай бұрын

The world may never know 😭

@adyce6303 6 ай бұрын

Pretty easy to defeat his argument, the gist as I understand it was: experience of gender is subjective, therefore it doesn't tell us anything 'true' about the world, which means that someone is justified in telling you that your experience of it doesn't align with reality. The problem for the bigot here is that if gender is subjective, it's not just subjective for the trans person making the claim, it's subjective to the hypothetical person denying it (that person doesn't magically have greater insight into gender's ontological truth). So the argument he is making at best can defend a kind of solipsist relativism, but doesn't do what he thinks it does.

@russellh9894 6 ай бұрын

15:32 When the caller says someone can tell someone else "you're not a man", what he really means is "you do not meet the qualities that I identify with what it means to be a man". But at the end of the day, so what? That person still identifies as a man. Why should society conform to your definition and not this other person's definition?

@ashlimartinez6805 3 ай бұрын

There is a simple way to explain this. There is 8 billion different definitions of boy/girl man/woman because it doesn’t mean the same to any other person. Being a man I’m very different than my husband who is also a man . We are both men and yet being a man is so different for each man

@eve0nline03 6 ай бұрын

"You can't just self ID, other people decide who you are" this is so dumb

@mitchellmobley7700 6 ай бұрын

Do your homework on doing your homework. 😂

@adaj472 6 ай бұрын

I don’t know why these people don’t understand that their own schema of gender is irrelevant to someone else’s. If someone identifies as a woman and you wish to interact with them, you should also identify them as a woman, regardless of whether they meet YOUR criteria or not. You should not be running around addressing people how YOU want to address them if they’ve asked you to address them differently. Stop expecting to participate in the social contract if you refuse to hold up your end.

@Polcat94 6 ай бұрын

Like we see it ever day even with cisgender people. Like gender roles to me are so stupid and interchangeable between partners but some ppl are so rigid in their beliefs on gender and everything it touches.

@orinjayce 6 ай бұрын

If English is this guy's first language, he needs to start over.

@foreverprime6255 6 ай бұрын

The caller needs an education in English 101

@6pxg_dama37 6 ай бұрын

I’m confused on what his argument even was bro was just yappin 😭

@garrett2310 6 ай бұрын

Was just wishing for more debate content from Jovan! Love the work

@HaloAdmiral 6 ай бұрын

Word salad all the way through

@harlonius1 6 ай бұрын

people really like to think they know things, even if they do not

@pocketfluffal2134 22 күн бұрын

In an attempt to clarify his own position, he conpletely shifted the goalposts. He went from part of identity is "what you objectively are" to "what other people subjectively see you as based on their own personal schemas". There was no pushing him into this, he just got there on his own by continuing to talk. Incredible

@OsssV 4 ай бұрын

My professor said “if they can’t concise their point, they have no understanding of their perspective nor have a point at all”

@kcim123 5 ай бұрын

I think based on the beginning nonexistent scenario of people being punished for misgendering his whole argument was to defend this fictional person actually. That they are 'allowed to subjectivelly call someone that based on what they view them' that they arent incorrect based on genders being subjective. I dont think he was arguing whether a persons identity is valid but wheter you can assume peoples identitty and be 'correct' in your subjective way.... Which is like ok but you're just trying to justify not respecting peoples identities cos 'subjectivelly youre right'

@Shinigamibraggo 5 ай бұрын

Essentially making a point without practical applicability. A… phil-bro if you will

@tamiaharris3910 6 ай бұрын

He really just like to the sound of his own voice

@myriamduran3262 3 ай бұрын

Bro was so confused

@chaserseven2886 6 ай бұрын

the transes really care me guys! please hug me!

@siriondb 6 ай бұрын

Do your homework on Boogie Man, Jovan.

@YouTubeUser24601 6 ай бұрын

Caller got so scared from a woman with a beard he called into a show about protecting kids to say he should be able to insult them respectfully. Seems shooked, almost like he saw something scawwwy

@Tristavillus 5 ай бұрын

At the 16 min mark ish… Perfect rebuttal would have been: Yes, someone can categorize me based on their subjective understanding. They could label me as a slur. That doesn’t make it acceptable in society. You can do it, but it’s not tolerable. The correct thing to do (in a civil society) is to default to the individuals own identity claim since it is THEIRS and theirs alone.

@juul-fuul 6 ай бұрын

u can tell this guy really thinks he’s saying something smart here lmfao

@BEatinU06 4 ай бұрын

I adore how their enthusiasm bubbles up when they believe they're driving a point home. You can detect it in his tone around the 4:30 mark.

@fromachat 3 ай бұрын

It brought me almost to physical pain that jovan didn't circle it back to the social aspect and ask him what he would think of someone insisting he was a woman at work Would he consider that valuable or respectful to do?

@heyimbilliejean 3 ай бұрын

The problem here is he seems to not understand the sociological definition of identity and is conflating it with the colloquial definition. Objective and subjective aren't even coherent when talking about identity because it only cares about one's own sense of self. No one else can possible have access to that much less a relevant view on it.

@TheHonestPeanut 3 ай бұрын

It's so sad to hear someone fail so hard at street epistemology.

@vincentvangoth4651 6 ай бұрын

he said so much yet nothing at all

@somethingwayward 5 ай бұрын

Hunter was like “yeah I’ve had enough of this idiot” 😂😂

@Joey-no7ss 5 ай бұрын

Bro’s fluent in yapanese

@LouigiVerona 3 ай бұрын

I feel that the caller had a fairly clear argument. Folks here in the comments have provided good responses to it, but I feel Jovan should've interacted with it and provided a clearer response. It's not a typical argument too and goes to the heart of the issue. A bit of a lost opportunity, if you ask me

@liroha 2 ай бұрын

this dude sounds literally sounds like a keyboard smash read aloud 😭

@ashlimartinez6805 3 ай бұрын

it’s not not happening but idk if it should happen maybe it should or not? Wtf is going on. the sound boy ?

@MarrsJ 6 ай бұрын

A lot of flip flopping between "Well i can tell someone else that they're not a man!" and then "WEELLLLL ITS ALL SUBJECTIVE BRO" So can you make definitive statements or not? It's either subjective or a measurable quality you can attribute to people, it can't be both in this context

@eve0nline03 6 ай бұрын

He knows sex and gender aren't the same but he's being fallacious by arguing this anyways. Ugh

@sonicboy5 3 ай бұрын

Nothing to be confused about here guys. This guy doesnt understand english. Plain and simple. Your welcome

@TheRealBrit 6 ай бұрын

I've watched a few of your debates and I've enjoyed them I think you're a decent debater for the most part but dude, trying to dodge out of a debate you're struggling in with some made up "someone paid to boot you" bs is slimey af. Makes you look like a coward every single time my guy. Also disparaging your opponents for performing when you're doing the same thing is mad hypocritical.

@jovanmbradley 6 ай бұрын

Crazy that you think I was struggling here

@Polcat94 6 ай бұрын

I hella struggled to follow along with dudes claims which are so wild but thos wasn't a debate as he was just spouting off this is how I feel basically. Saying what everyone thinks means something? That's what I got it's either what everyone identifies you means something or it means nothing bc damn this dude could not debate worth anything.

@YouTubeUser24601 6 ай бұрын

In the end the call is simply wrapped up with the freedom to swing your fist discussion. When we come to our own selves, rights, and autonomy, we can swing our fists how we will, but the moment it makes contact with someone else's body, self, rights, etc, there is a violation. caller's argument was basically that anyone is free to think their own thoughts about trans people. It isn't groundbreaking just because it is philosophically expressed. And the natural next part is "sure, you can think someone you saw with a beard most likely is a man. HOWEVER, if they then tell you your thinking is off, and their own thinking of themselves is that they are NOT a man, at this point you decide if you are going to swing your fist because your thinking doesn't match, or instead you be a decent human and accept what this person thinks of themselves." Just because we all have subjective reasoning does not give anyone any right to impose their subjective reasoning about an individual on said individual.

@TheRealBrit 6 ай бұрын

@@jovanmbradley the video speaks for itself, you just repeated the same thing over and over without tackling the thrust of the argument then kicked the guy, if you weren't struggling you did a good job making it seem like you were.

@uncomfortableshirt3870 6 ай бұрын

@@TheRealBrit1. he kicks everybody when they’re paid to be kicked, and they are more than welcome to join again this happens all the time on his live streams. 2. If you think jovan was “struggling” I implore you to rewatch the video and actually write down a singularly cohesive thing that guy said lmfao, because from the get go he couldn’t even understand that gender is a personal identity

@lilnastyy1604 2 ай бұрын

If someone doesn’t understand difference in social schema, take clothing. In Scotland, skirts eg kilts are not associated with just women and are also traditionally worn by men whereas in the US, skirts are traditionally worn by women. This would mean children in these respective countries would have a different social schema on how skirts apply to gender. Edit: Further a personal schema would be more individualistic eg growing up in a household where the women are all bodybuilders. Your general idea of women will differ to the people in the house next to you let alone country. This is why gender is a social construct but those identifiers do not a personal identity make.