Quark the madlad Ferengi who lectured a Vulcan about logic and the Klingon High Council about honor, among many other things.

I always like it when two intelligent characters with well thought out, internally consistent beliefs have arguments like this.

For me this scene really highlights what being Feringi is all about. Everything that can and does happen, is a form of exchange. Thusly, it can be mediated in your favor. The Rules of Acquisition aren't about money. It's a whole system for living your life. Never hold so dear a possession or an idea that you can't part with it to gain the advantage. Even your own life can be exchanged for a high enough price.

3:41 "...Remind me to give you a copy of the rules..." A Ferengi would never _give_ anything away unless there is some profit to be gained from the gift. Powerful stuff here.

I love how Ferengi can be seen as a stand-in for modern humans in Star Trek "Well I'm a Ferengi, my emotional state is VERY relevant."

Quark is the true real hero of DS9 in my opinion.

I know that when the Vulcan incredulously asks, “Will you lecture me?” Quark stands like he is preparing to do so in a quasi-academic manner. After he stands and mentions the Third Rule, he proceeds to sit down. A very intriguing move.

the thing is, what we call capitalism isn't really what the ferengi would call capitalism. The rules of acquisition are actually quite logical, mostly. A vulcan should come to the same conclusion that quark did. The faults of the ferengi are because they DON'T use logic and follow the rules, Quark by comparison, lives exactly by the rules and in his own backwards way, is quite logical when he's able to frame a problem as a cost benefit analysis

Quarks way of thinking is akin to how the humans were on the outside looking in and then became indirectly and unintentionally involved with the conflict between the Vulcans and Andorians. They ended up with the same situation Quark described here and ultimately it was Archer and Shran who de-escalated the conflicts together, especially since earth wasn’t ready for such a large scale conflict. Archer had no desire for enemies, and Shran figured out very quickly that the Captain wasn’t too fond of Vulcans himself, even if he trusted them, and even that was strained. Ultimately it was Archer who could convince Shran that, while they were prepared, albeit a bit paranoid , the Vulcans had good intentions, the Andorians and were also the same. Blessed are the peacemakers

This is one of my favorite scenes in DS9. I love this scene from the standpoint of a philosophy buff. You can have a logical position, one that you are certain of and not see things from a completely different perspective and once you change your perspective you change your mind. I love this scene for that. She was right from her own perspective, her own narrow view. Quark opens her mind to new possibilities and new premises that she had not even considered and thus draws a new valid conclusion that is also logical but completely different from her original stance. I love it.

This is an example of the great material continuum at work. Quark Sure as hell knows how to navigate that river or risk being swept away.

Ferangi: peace is good for business. EvE online player: how much isk you want for those rules?

I know it's been said before... Armin Shimerman (Quark) is an AMAZING actor!

I think that Vulcan is fine as hell.

I’ve seen this clip broken down before, but I watch this for YOUR breakdown

This is my favorite Quark scene....even compared to the Root Beer Dialogue. Armin Shimmerman is a great actor.

Careful man! Don't insult the Vulcans now, or KZfaq might shut your whole channel down! lmfao

The more I watch Quark the more he becomes my favorite character in DS9

My main disagreement is when you said that she looks away ‘to consider’ his logic. In my experience , the habit of looking away from the person you’re debating with is more commonly done because the person has just been confronted with something that goes directly against their position and/or beliefs (such as here) and is trying to deny the point. It is a way of disengaging with your opponent so that you can ignore the point. Fortunately, Quark is able to push past her recalcitrance and drive his points home, allowing her logic to overcome her bias.

Yes, the 35th Rule of Acquisition says, “peace is good for business.” On the other hand, the 34th Rule says, “war is good for business”, so take your pick.

The thing I love about this interaction is how you get an understandable way to relate to how finance and commerce are viable as the central tenet of Ferengi culture and their philosophy.

Strangely I find the dynamic much more personal and realistic between these two characters than others involving Ferengi and other species... including supposed more romantic situations - which always felt completely forced and contrived or farcical. I don't know if its the directing or due to actor chemistry but I would have loved seeing these two in a long-lasting relationship or husband/wife role. Very memorable and first rate acting from them both... especially her.

The problem with Vulcans is their sole reliance on "logic". They seems to think there is no logic to emotions which is a fatal mistake. Understanding that even illogical thoughts have their own logic is necessary for things like diplomacy. Humanity benefited from the individualism brought about from the enlightenment.

He was the perfect Ferengi, very good actor and scene synergy and chemistry with the vulcan woman.

Man I wish the writing was always as consistent as the cinematography.

I think the change between sitting next to her and talking at her from the standing position differentiates Quark's role. He changes from a personal (sitting) to an impersonal (standing) approach to explaining his position. When he sits with her, he explains his philosophy and how it applies to the situation - like a tutor explaining the context of a problem. When he stands in front of her, he states facts about the situation - like a teacher stating facts.

this is one of the best scenes of ds9 and shows that quark was such an under rated character

Quark has so many awesome moments in DS9. This is among the best of them.

The auto subtitles have Quark saying “Look i know the Kardashians can’t be trusted.”

COVID is a perfect example of the 3rd rule not being taught in economics. What is cheaper? Fighting the bug together or fighting each other AND the bug.

Ok, while this was typical DS9 amazing... That Vulcan was really pretty.

The 'sit-down-now-its-awkward' actually serves a purpose. Notice that the Vulcan maintains her posture; her upper body and legs are away from Quark. Quark has his upper body facing the Vulcan. He is open, she is closed. Her body language is clear at this point; I don't agree with Quark. Around the 3:00 mark, it's obvious. She looks at him occasionally, but when his point hits home, she looks away. Not just thinking, but stung! She literally can't face Quarks truth! Like a pouting child, she can't meet her parents gaze! The cuts where we see the Vulcan, but hear Quark, we are encouraged to look for reactions on her face; she says emotions aren't relevant, but that's just her training talking. We know how hot-blooded Vulcan's really are...

I really enjoy these scene analyses. THANKS!!

One I think would be interesting to take on as far as confrontations go would be Bashir and Sloane

Extremely good breakdown of this Scene. Well done!

How about doing some scenes from "The Visitor" with Old Jake interacting with the young lady and his father when he appears. Might be a bit long and could be broken down to two vids. One with the interactions with the girl and another with the interactions with Ben Sisko. Tony Todd is such a good actor.

Everything that Quark says makes a lot of sense. Both actors did a great job, it's a fantastic scene. Even him mentioning to giving her a copy of the rules makes sense to, in certain situations, they can definitely come in handy.

Loving these scene break downs.

One of the most beautiful scenes ever created

This Is a fantastic scene by the writers and the cast Armin Shimerman and Bertila Damas. But Sakonna (Bertila) wasn't using Logic, She was using Principals.

I notice that the camera spends a bit more time on her face at the start with the J/L cuts. I like that they did that. It makes the viewer really zero in on her reaction to his argument, right? We're already on his side, so since we're with him, it's cool that we get to see a little more of what he sees, aka her, so we can empathize even better.

4:15 Almost sounds like he's channeling Peter Falk for a moment there. The hand gesture is also very Columbo-esque.

And this is why we all love Quark : )

Quark is one of the greatest characters in Star Trek.

Great analysis of body language. It was indeed good acting. Great video.

A very attractive Vulcan she could sue me for peace anytime

Giving us a whole new perspective...I like this series of video

Excellent analysis.

This shows how good the director and or the actors actually are.

I love these scene analyzations so much. I love film and explanations of the process and they're very informative. And insightful. As for dealing with the oppressive CBS nonsense, the best I can advise is front-loading your channel with the content unlisted, dealing with the crap, and when you're cleared to go, then make them public. Most money is made in the first couple days, so you'd be past the hurdles and maximize monetization. Of course, you'd have to pack a lot of content in the que waiting for publication, so...delays. Otherwise, let's convince CBS to sell of the entire franchise to Seth MacFarlane who I believe would APPRECIATE channels like Lore Reloaded making content.

Good break down. I really like this scene between Quark and the Vulcan terrorist. I also think the Marquis two parter is brilliant. It’s a tense political thriller, with being crossed and double crossed. Quite an underrated episode I’d say, probably because it’s part of the second season.

You gots ta love da cultural differences! Quark is a Ferengi, therefore he talks business Had it been a Vulcan, 10 hours of silence Andorean, 10 hours of argument going nowhere Klingon, 10 hours of fighting Cardassian, 10 hours of contradictions Human, 10 hours of how do I get in your pants

After watching these analysis, I have to give props to those in charge of filming. The actors may be great, but the filming department deserves their own credit.

It was a truly good scene, and touched on many a subject in game theory.

I'd like to to see you break down the scenes from Business As Usual, especially when Quark is dealing with Hagath. But perhaps also explain why the hell the Federation and the Bajorans would allow such a deal to take place aboard DS9.

Really good scene, its very basic, yet compelling to watch. Definitely have to give it to the actors for making it work because it could have been completely forgetful but they really chew it up with a ton of subtle movements and gestures.

Have you done any of the scenes where Garak "overhears" starfleet secrets and plans but the cardasins he tells them to does not believe him despite his pleas.

What episode is this? Or did you say at the end?

A good scene, though negotiation and "capitalism" aren't synonymous. Bargaining predates capitalism. Even communists have to negotiate.

Quark is simply saying that since none of the acting forces have an actual purpose to strike, peace is much easier to obtain, thus not costly at all.

Just wait until she hears about Gödel's Incompleteness theorem!

"Remind me to *GIVE* you a copy of the rules" Damn, that's some serious simping for a Ferengi

Legendary scene!

Having the actors talking off camera is usually an editing trick. During editing they want to add or change something. So they bring the actor in to record the lines and edit them in while he’s off camera.

I was watching Married with Children the other day and Armin was on an episode

Great scene.

What episode is this?

Which episode is this?

"Quark',s actor"? His name is Armin Sbimmerman. He is listed in the credits, isn't he?

Is there anything you can do to even out the audio levels? The show clips are extremely quite while your voiceover is booming. I find myself constantly adjusting my volume when listening to these videos. Just a suggestion. Not sure what your technical limits are in these situations.

One of my favourite characters

"Don't Get Technical With Me" , C3PO just SCHOOLED U...............

I find the logical contradiction in the title and desc "capitalism wins [logic]", "capitalism defeats [logic]" worrisome But then I saw this has nothing to do with economics Dude, he is just using business terminology to explain geopolitics

6:45.. there..quark squirrel

first sit down was an empathic, standup was the power move, 2nd sitdown was mentor speaking to a mentee

I think it's kind of ironic. The Ferengi never really had internal strife outside of personal conflicts until they started to move away from their system of essentially pure capitalism. Fights amongst themselves was always a battle of wits and everything was settled based on how profitable the outcome would be. You even see the Ferengi accept their situation when they end up in a lose. With all their thoughts on how they can recover from that lose instead of dwelling on it. Internal war was unprofitable so they never did it. External war was only profitable up to a certain point. The Maquis completely spat in the face of settling conflicts through how much it could benefit themselves. All the Maquis thought about was how they could sacrifice themselves for their cause which was considered insulting to a Ferengi.

Him standing shows literal distance (representing their philisopical - social - distance returning to closeness) also he is higher thus more powerful than her.

Quark is the grey area most would and kinda do live in. Sometimes you have to get dirty to get by.

Just a thought, maybe you should play the scene in full first, then do the breakdown. Been awhile since I've watched DS9 so I kinda found myself trying to understand their situation/conversation as well as your interpretation of the scene.

I absolutely love the ferengi. Lol

Episode?

Quark is a bartender. Sitting the entire time he's talking with someone wouldn't feel normal to him.

I don't know how you feel about suggestions about new content, but... can you do a video on Janeway and promotions (and lack there of.) Kim should've been an Lieutenant at the end of the series easily. In the novels he was promoted to that rank in 2378 when they returned and he's STILL a Lieutenant in 2382.

They certainly have great chemistry. It is nice to see him out-logic a vulcan. Not bad for a joke character from a joke species. Also, i really get the impression that they are friends, which is also good, because it shows him having a rounded personality, a circle of real friends who have nothing to do with the show. He's not just the whacky greedy bartender.

This reminds me of something I was taught in Eve Online, and that proves why communism always fails. "A sale occurs when the value exceeds the price."

5:25 I'm gonna be that guy. It should be "laser-focused" not "razor-focused". Sharp as a razor, thin as a razor, maybe. But not focused like a razor.

Just realized something. Ferengi are all about the profit, even to the point of selling small vials of their ashes after death. However, all of them seem to want to hand out the book that lists their Rules of Acquisition for free. Hmmmmm.

I love Quark

One thing about this scene is the tragedy in it. Not for this particular plot. For how little the showrunners ever figured out what to do with the Ferengi. TNG and DS9 had a golden opportunity to create a whole new perspective on the universe of Star Trek, but no one could figure out how to bring it out in the stories. This is one of the moments that show us what the Ferengi could have been, and likely will never be.

That line of Quark's about 'remind me to give you a copy of the rules of acquisition you never know when they might come in handy' the writers missed a beat - they should have had quark say 'remind me to sell you a copy of the rules of acquisition, you never know when they might come in handy, so I'll throw in a discount." Ferengi never GIVE anything away - unless they expect a lot more in return - so thinking about it maybe Quark was bargaining a free copy of the rules for the outcome he was working towards? Any thoughts on that? Was it just a slip by the writers or a REALLY subtle piece of dialogue?

Funny how it keeps running backwards!

This is DS9 in your pocket

Ferengi would probably be the best deplomats.

I see starfleet went through a shoulder pad fase.

What episode is this

Voyager would have faired better in the Delta Quadrant if they had a Ferengi crewmember… Nog has a transporter duplicate accident (a la Riker) and the second version joins Voyager in order to give "himself" space. And just for laughs Garak was with him and Garak 2 is onboard as well - Voyager wouldn't get back because they would be running the Delta Federation, or they'd get back a _lot_ faster. Ferengi philosophy should be required reading in StarFleet, if only to provide a counter viewpoint. We don't see StarFleet much in Picard so far, but Ferenginar is now either part of the Federation or Federation adjacent (you will be assimilated - Eddington), especially female Ferengi looking for opportunities in a society with less misogynistic baggage. The addition of them along with the Cardassians would make the Federation far more pragmatic (although they didn't seem so in Picard - StarFleet was played, and how do you do that to a organisation that has Betazoid members?).

Pardon me for sounding picky but I am asking as someone whose native language is not English and is genuinely asking. I believe the phrase is: “laser focused”, not: “razor focused” as used by this video reviewer in his narration. Am I mistaken?

Did an actress on Starship Troopers play a character on a Star Trek show ?

Since this appears to be about movie technique, and aspects of direction and production, I point out that you are overmodulating. Bring your mic levels down below 100% modulation, so there won't be a buzz to your voice, or sit further from the microphone. Nice analysis of the scene.

Turning your back on someone is an act of superiority