I am more interested in whatever mod changed Riverwood as it did in the video.

What armour mod are you using?

Same and whatever dialog mod there using.

'Camelworks wants to know your location'

Hey there. What combat mod are you using? Your character seem faster.

lmfao- he truly must be divine!

GLORY TO SINDING!

All Hail Sinding!

Sinding, our lord and savior!

XD

Very dissatisfying considering they updated werewolves for ther first time since tes 3 in this installment. Hell, Greymore even gives more vampires... which is all fine, but Bethesda had some serious opportunities here and they kinda blew it tbh..

Literally a group of bandits with silver weapons

@@cazhalsey8877 Skyrim was a massive opportunity that Bethesda kinda blew. Not fully but kinda.

Wish you could continue the quest line without accepting the beast blood.

Same as the vigilants

Exactly, Ysgra-who? Lmao

I would. I like to play an Altmer once in while in ES games (Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim) as an alternative to my usual races (Breton, Dunmer, Orcimer or Khajiit). It's nice to switch things up once in a while, especially with mods that help give the various race more differences from each other. I usually RP as a young aspiring mage who in initial appearances seems like the typical Altmer scholar but surprisingly doesn't have the typical prejudices of his race because he's finds being polite and nice tends to get him results much quicker and far less hassle. I also try to maintain a house rule of magic only when in combat.

@@Wildeye13 i'm boutta get the racism axe

@Nelih 1. magic as they're the best race for it 2. they're good looking with mods 3. the thalmor did nothing wrong, tiber septim was a cheater with a god robot who deserves neither worship or an empire

@@YuiFunami now that is a hot take while I don’t agree with you well done sir

Replace the screaming elf face with a werewolf's beaten maw.

Too much creativity for bethesda

Well, on the mod I'm working on, the idea is just forge the original one.

No that's stupid we already have the rueful axe

Still rather kill elves.

Dying at this comment

Honestly I think it would have been great if we could have joined that faction with a story line.

@@mal35m i wouldve loved that

I was actually a little annoyed that Scott didn't mention they attack you on sight, like bandits. Regardless of whether you're a werewolf. That seems exceptionally thuggish. Like, I agree with the theory, but I wouldn't call them good people by any means.

@@concentratedcringe That was more Bethesda just using bandit dialogue for everything and not scripting the Silver Hand as neutrals until you join the Companions. I see Hunters yelling at deer 'start running, so I can stab you in the back'

Same

Even if you didn't start the Companion quest line, not meeting or even hearing the companion at all. Lol.

Never heard it before.

Me too

I am going to try to hear it. I have never done so before.

"you know where I can get good bones around here?"

Me after doing multiple tasks for Dedric Lord's, eating corpses and becoming a werewolf: Nope.

First time I encountered them there, I was rushed by three of them on the shoreline

You can find some in random encounters they are just rare

​@@dbreid903that's the only place I have found them, and I jumped in the water, they followed me, all got stuck, and I just chucked Elemental Blast at them until they died. 😂🌕🐻

Me: "We have wolf heads on our armor"

@@roykennedy @mareczek00713 We Compainons help the people of Skyrim, just because we are werewolves, doesn't mean we are evil or harm innocent people. Are we trying to black out the sun? Take over Skyrim? Fight the Dawnguard? Force our members to stay werewolves? No? Then stop with this nonsense and get back to work!

@@TheSwordsman100 It does mean you have accepted daedric influnce, and given up your shot at joining your anscestors in Sovenguard, because you wanted a cool fursuit that makes you marginally better at combat.

Bandits are tasty

@@TheSwordsman100 why would fight the dawn guard? Their vampire hunters. You are fighting the werewolf equivalent tho

Meh not really dont forget that the rest of the destroy quests are basicly clearing out a bandit camp with some interesting characters

@marcus24000 Could make it a series of quests where you take out high ranking companions in remote locations, like that time they ambushed the player and Farkas

@marcus24000 I think we can make a good story with that. Imagine set of quests to denounce the companion to the rest of skyrim, claiming they are not the real companion anymore, but some threatening deadric prince's warriors. Then we can hunt each member and in the end reconstruct the companion to it's original glory. And also with some plot twist that there are some people in silverhand that originally from the companion and decide to leave because the hircine's influance in that group. I can see many ways this could grow as an interesting lore in skyrim

marcus24000 Uhm a lot of people will pay you to kill people so I don’t think that’s a great comparison

A Silver Hand questline would have so many cool opportunities. You could whipe out the Companions and then get a villainous reputation, you could only kill the Inner Circle and spare those who wanted to be turned back to humans and then kill the Glenmoral Witches or you could expose the truth about the Harbingers to Whiterun

The handhand

Exactly. Finally, someone who clearly goes to the cloud district often.

@@saijeetdogra9360 you've been drinking skooma, haven't you?

I like this type of person to think to comment this

@@yourdadsotherfamily3530 i like everyone who likes me, so you can be my first friend if you want.

If you wander across a Silver Hand location without being a werewolf or even met the Companions they still attack and try and kill you. But yeah, other than that they do seem more like good guys than the people who unleash a newly transformed werewolf in the middle of a city.

@@poilboiler because they are literally bandits with a name change, and actually I believe they do not spawn as proper "silver hand" until you joined the companions, I can see why your believe you are being attacked by them but they are just bandits that fill the locations until you join the companions

@@cefirodewinter9086 If you visit the old fort where you wake up with Aela after turning into a werewolf before you join it should still be full of silver hands, I think? The place where Skjor charged ahead and somehow left no trace whatsoever until you find his corpse at The Skinner. Same with the later place Vilkas goes with you to reclaim the pieces of the axe.

No, it just makes the companions as flawed as anyone yet still overall honorable.

No, they imprison and torture people inflicted with the curse instead of just killing them outright. They've become monsters.

The game would have had to come out at like 2015 if they really took their time to hammer out every single quest or pretty much the game in general but deadlines really do be deading and lining tho

A username “deadlines really do be deading and lining” lmaooo

@@leb7663 if Skyrim came out in 12/12/2012 rather than 11/11/2011 then imagine how much more content would have came out, the Civil War had massive plans with the ability to recruit Giants, assassinate commanders, 12 radiant quests per Hold, massive sieges at every Hold, a Pit Fighter guild, several quests like the Whispering Lady would be finished, assassinating Elisif for Boethiah ect.

SunDaGamer_74 wait.... recruit.... giants?

@@c4llmeifigetlost485 yes, you would have had a quest to recruit giants, there are unused models that have giants in Stormcloak Cuirasses and a lot of abandoned disabled code relating to the civil war that Civil War Overhaul Redux unlocks

I usually keep all the silver swords. And any Redguard scimitars I manage to find.

@@KC-xu2yr Curved.Swords.

I wanted improved silver weapons the base stats suck

@@jjbourke92 Right.

@@johnsmert3361 It was disappointing not to be able to improve the silver swords. They looked cool though.

(Laughs in EnaiSiaion's Growl.)

@@Wildeye13 HAIL ENAI

I don't transform so...

@Jake Shattuck if you kept the vampirism, what would you become when vamp blood mixes with beast blood?

William Blazkowicz there is a mod for that but if you have someone change you it cancels out the other.

Hunting go grgrgrgr

They hunting strategy is doggy style

Honestly I don't think they go out during the nights to hunt. They go out to, you know, "sate the fury of their inner beasts"

@@rogehmarbi question is this supposed to be an innuendo? (I'm asking because I don't quite understand your comment sorry)

@@streakgaming6106 Deliberately left ambiguous. One conversation between Aela and another companion hints that said companion thinks Aela and Skjor are dating secretly which Aela dismisses. This seems to point towards a werewolf only pastime of hunting at night (whether beasts, bandits, or Silver Hand is unknown but likely beasts). Also, there doesn’t seem to be any restrictions against relationships within the Companions so no reason to hide a little nookie.

You CAN reject the gift of lycanthropy but You won't be able to progress in the questline. I sometimes roleplay as a Nord who would not trade his humanity for anything over the strenght of his sword arm so I leave them with their machinations and foul sorcery under the Skyforge and seek my destiny elsewhere

I'd imagine that if a normal bandit group got attacked by a werewolf, and managed to kill it with minimal casualties, they probably would've gotten confident about it. And if it happened more and more (realistically not very likely, but for arguments sake), they might start to actively hunt them after realizing that "hey, we're able to kill these terrifying creatures. Let's do it some more." And at least with AI limitations in Skyrim, its not like bandits will run away from you while as a werewolf. I do prefer them being a splinter group of the companions more though

@@raduispas1992 interesting playthrough option.

Skyrim writing be like: companions good, silver hand enemy of companions, therefore silver hand bad

Will Swenson They still wouldn’t go kill more weawolves so bc they can though. Their is no reason but spite which doesn’t make since for bandits they want money

The reason there aren't any Silver Hand mods is because, from a modding perspective, the Silver Hand don't really exist. Other than a few specific npcs, they're just bandits. Creating a mod where you could join the Silver Hand (for example) would require fundamental changes to the way Skyrim is built and the game engine doesn't like it when you change things.

Skyrim isn’t even nearly a decade old, it’s nine years though.

@@josephseed6098 A decade is 10 years, so 9 is pretty close.

Sean B. Oh, shit yeah! I’m sorry! I get a little caught up in that stuff, sorry!

Sean B. I thought a decade was twenty years.

im having the same problem. thing is i keep thinking i learned it from dialogue in game... im freaking out man.

@@foxmcqwerty608 Not just me? I always thought they were former Companions too

I = we we = I

Just remember to achieve Chim right!

@@JXEditor and they say there is not "I" in "team"

That is so fucked up and I love it

@BlazedKnifeBladez Maybe you could make that build.

This is amazing and should be in game. Once you realize the companions are monsters you decide to flee and run into another Silverman group where you are taken to their leader and you learn his backstory.

Skinner, I barely know her.

Good background to add. And his best friend is called Fjol. He is more an scholar type, and dedicated his life searching the pieces of Ysgramor axe.

Well, they are pretty much bandits. They are just bandits with a special grudge against the Companions. So while you can't say the Companions are good the Silverhand are pretty much what is wrong with Skyrim. A million little bandit clans everywhere stealing from honest folk. There are seemingly more hillfolk willing to gut and plunder you then any other kind of person in Skyrim.

They may very well have been started by a schism in the companions, but that was several hundred years ago and imo they've degenerated into thugs with a particular hate of werewolves. I play with immersive creatures mod and that adds lots of encounters to the game not just animals/creatures but people too and I've actually see Vigilants of Stendarr fighting the Silverhand. That's not to mention that the Silverhand will attack you on sight whether you're a werewolf or not.

I think this is mostly the result of recycled assets. The Silver Hand enemies are literally bandit assets with a specific name and equipment distribution.

Pretty sure that’s just lazy gameplay development.

@@blindoutlaw i thought that - soo lazy!!!

There are

Hey Felix. In Oldrim Nexus search with "Dawn of the Silver Hands -- Join the Silver Hands" for SSE or AE, search with "The Conflict Under the Crescent - A Companions and Silver Hand Mod"

Actions without intentions? What are you smoking, bro?

@@kiba3x Intentions do cause us to act but they are not mutually inclusive. A good intention does not always give birth to good actions. Mainly because what is good is so damn subject even an actual God might have trouble defining the term. Regardless the quote holds true. Intentions in and of themselves are meaningless , accomplish nothing , and change nothing.

The quote is true but that doesn’t mean we should judge and condemn someone base on their actions though, only their intentions.

@@joshuavar4678 Something something hell, something something good intentions.

Joshua are you kidding me

in the base game yeah, can be fixed w/mods

usually when i play the companions quests he is wearing the steel armor before he transforms and then when he morphs back into a human he's wearing the wolf armor lmao

If you wear steel armour, that makes you a werewolf, lel

Yet they mention it

So?

I feel like that's just the result of rushed or lazy coding, though. I feel like if the team had more time to flesh them out, they wouldn't be renamed bandits

there is no reason for a Dawnguard player to not want to be a Werewolf. The Dawnguard ONLY care about vampires. Isran left the Vigilants because all he cares about is killing vampires- he doesn't care about daedra cultists or werewolves. That's why he formed the Dawnguard- to fight vampires and only vampires.

Plus they imprison and torture people afflicted by the curse. Just kill them and be done with it, don't drag it on like a monster.

@@E_lecters Okay sure you can say that but 99% of in game evidence says they suck and are basically bandits. Wishful thinking doesn't really change anything, you have to jump through so many hoops just to come to that line of thinking that it shatters the reality of the world. They can be ex-companion whatevers but good guys? Come on, if they were meant to be more they would be, they have faction coding so they could have made them their own faction but didn't, what did they do? Made them bandits, why? Because they were ment to be glorified bandits -_-

@@E_lecters You can justify anything Bethesda does with that reasoning, though. At the end of the day, Skyrim is a crap RPG. A fun game, sure, but the roleplaying aspect is crap. It requires numerous fan-made mods to overhaul this, and allow the player a choice. Otherwise, you're *forced* to be the dragonborn, *forced* to join the Thieves Guild, *forced* to do every quest the game just inflicts upon you, rather than allow player choice. Wanted a quiet first visit to Markarth? Well sorry, Todd Howard has shat on that dream, the Forsworn murder a woman and Endrys will pursue you for all eternity forcing you into the Cidhna Mine quest with a fake "dropped note". You physically cannot say no to him. You either avoid him like the plague as you run around the city, or you grin and bear the quest even if it isn't what your character would foreseeably do. It's a perfect microcosm of Skyrim's disregard for player choice. If Bethesda really cared for roleplaying, every aspect of the game would have been well thought-out, like CDPR did for Witcher 3, or Interplay did for the OG Fallout series. But frankly, they don't, and have been on this downward spiral ever since Morrowind. You can't chalk that up to resources, time management, or simple oversight. It's a deliberate design choice. Their writers, people like Emil Pagliarulo, approach the game like they're writing a movie. The player has to do X, because it's in the script. Skyrim and Oblivion force you down the main quest line - you *have* to see Balgruf, you *have* to go to Weynon Priory - and narratively, the world will end if you don't. Meanwhile, Morrowind (an actual RPG compared to those) couldn't give a shit whether you go and find Caius Costades or not. A very quick and simple tutorial leads you out into Seyda Neen and you're free to go anywhere and do anything. Meanwhile, Oblivion gives you a tedious dungeon tutorial, and Skyrim does the same and more, trying to hold your hand as far as Riverwood. *A year later edit* - look at what Larian managed with Baldur's Gate 3. Far more attention to detail and game design with far fewer resources. They don't have Microsoft behind them. Meanwhile, Bethesda churned out Starfield. What I said about them still holds true in 2024.

Only a fetcher wouldn't

And M O I S T towelettes!

*points finger and raises eyebrow* How many divines?

Hail Sithis

Eight or nine!?

I always assumed that was their intent. Bethesda likely planned to flesh them out more and just had to drop much of the planned content due to deadlines and budget limitations. From my first exposure to the Silver Hand it was apparent they weren't simple bandits with a hate on for werewolves but was sorely disappointed they never expanded on that. Makes me wish developers, especially for franchise games like these, would have more leeway with what content they wanted to include regardless of corporate interests like budgets and timelines. I mean, I GET it, but how awesome would Skyrim have been had the devs been able to deep dive into all the possible lore that they wanted to?

Bethesda doesn't exist anymore, dude.

Bethesda wanted to reach that golden deadline of 11/11/11 and it caused lot of cutbacks. They could have also add stuff to the game years later with a skeleton crew but they decided to relay on mods. Budget constraints and Bethesda? Don't be silly.

@@Dante-mr3rz The whole 11/11/11 thing was a completely needless promotion stunt. I'd have understood if the number 11 would have played some kind of prominent role in the game, but that's not the case. All that did was cause a studio infamous for buggy releases to cut pretty much every corner in sight.

i would love it like that. The Companions are just a bunch of self glorifying posers without any real struggle to fight for. I'd love the chance to attempt eradicating them. At least this will give them a .. 'real fight' that they always say they crave.

At first I read that comment and thought "But the Companions all have personality, and the Silver Hand are just generic thugs." Not realizing that Bethesda should have made the Silver Hand every bit as compelling as the Companions. Even the Vampires in Dawnguard get some time in the spotlight, and there is even a token good vampire. So yeah, it would have been a great idea.

What faction would you want the most? I'd kill for a Knight faction

Yes - and options for doing things differently once the player becomes the leader of a faction.

Tarlo The Boar Since the Aldmeri Dominion is invading, I’d like to see the Pelinati Cult be a faction. It’s usually unpopular because of its anti-elf fervor, but now, especially after ES: Legends, I imagine it would have a new cause and gain membership. I also want to see knightly orders, though I’m not sure how much of High Rock will be in the game. Evermore might be, which has the Knights of the Raven, I think.

only Death and also stop forcing use to interact with a guild to progress the story. if they feel the need to make us interact, give us ways that we don’t have to join.

They’ve had enough time

Cinematic?! NOT IN MY ELDER SCROLLS!

It looks weird though, uncanny. Particularly the lip movement.

The idea presented here is that there was a schism between Companions who WANTED to be Werewolves and Companions who did not. And that the Pro-Werewolf Companions won that schism and drove the others out of Jorvaaskr

I guess they didnt know how to cure theyre curse back then

Maybe because the Companion version of lycanthropy isn’t the same as the normal one that changes the person into a savage beast like Sindig. Per Kodak, beast blood was a payment for regular business with Hagravens and it didn’t destroy the Companions as savage uncontrolled lycanthropy would have. All we are shown in game is that the Companions are generally honorable and don’t force lycanthropy on all the members nor do they use their beast blood for generally evil intent. Ambjorn in the Dark Brotherhood is a former Companion and Circle member who was too bloodthirsty (as a person not beast). Sindig is a normal werewolf not totally given over to his beast side, still able to have a human form. All other werewolves we encounter, dead or alive, are stuck in beast form and hostile to all. Thus, this makes the Silver Hand “bad” in their obsession with the Companions who, while having members that are werewolves, don’t appear to have the completely savage uncontrollably form and generally do good in Skyrim. Perhaps due to their jealousy and obsession with Ysgramor and seeing “tainted” Companions as an affront to his legacy?

Just look at Aela's example. She was practically raised "feral" in the wilds, hunting with her father until she was old enough to join the Companions and accept the beastblood that was essentially her birthright. For those like her, there was no higher goal in life than to attain this power, the ability to dominate and survive against all odds. And in death, no loftier an outlook than an endless hunt, a simple continuance of the glory they had achieved in life. "Good and evil" have little to do with it.

it is possible to be a "good" vampire or werewolf at least for a long time, with strong enough willpower and desire to do so, it's just probably not possible forever as I think your soul eventually is replaced by an evil daedra. knowing this a good werebeast or vamp could arrange someone to kill them if that happens.

Absolutely 👍

I personally disagree, it's not a horrible idea, but I just don't see enough evidence to warrant it. And I guess I just don't care for it, but that's just my own subjective opinion.

@@dorianrobinette9712 That's fair. We are all entitled to our own head canons

KillerChopSuey i don't see anything recent for that mod idea. Do you know anything else that's more recent than 1+ years ago

@ImWelkinHere the Silver Hand is their own faction, it's how the Silver Hand is able to have their new armor and silver swords with the Unplayable Faction Armors mod. Otherwise every bandit would have their armor

ImWelkinHere they have the bandit AI, but they’re set as their own faction, like groups such as the vigilant

@Grainn Desu Don't try to tell people facts if you aren't even sure you're right smh

"Interested in politics, eh? Well, grab a seat and get comfortable."

Hey that's a good thought actually 👍 that's at least got to be one of the main reasons, I always wondered how the hell they have not been exposed when there are werewolves randomly appearing/going on a rampage the day a companion is made a part of the circle lol... You'd think the jarl would say something to them or kick em out 😂 "it's just kept such a secret" yeah right like no one would spy on them and make connections...

You make a good point, but In the case of the jagged crown, The imperials didn't want it for themselves, they wanted it to legitimize Elisif as high queen. It would have been appropriately symbolic for either Elisif or Ulfric's cause. Wuuthrad on the other hand is kinda niche, and imo it would make more sense for the silver hand to want it if they do indeed have a history as followers of Ysmir

@@undeadwerewolves9463 My thoughts exactly. The Silver Hand go as far as to attack Jorrvaskr in the middle of Whiterun, yet somehow the Jarl/Commander Caius/Nazeem never find out about them being werewolves? Then I got to thinking, maybe they do know...

@@aintfalco7968 how about a group of companions who rejected and were disgusted by the deal and left forming the silver hand

Right. I mean, is Steel Armor really only a Companion thing? *Looks at Hold Guards, Bandits, Stormcloaks, and Imperial Soldiers* Hold up, maybe they're onto something here..

They are just assholes 😂 I'm totally not biased because I'm a werewolf or anything...

Undead Werewolves ......

That's cause bethesda are lazy programmers

Undead Werewolves No, they seem generally good. This shouldn’t even be a theory if everything connects, it should be fact. Anyway, it’s just the bad Bethesda programming.

I joined in the fistfight first time I entered. Killed every nonessential NPC in the area on accident.

They probably accidentally insulted each other and it devolved from there.

@@princessbinas I might see a bit of anti-elf prejudice seeping out - although Njada seems to be obnoxious to most any race you happen to be, even a nord.

And the Companions occasionally send you on missions to beat up random people for no discernable reason. Some members also literally worship Daedra or at least tolerate Daedric influence over their souls. Just admit that both sides are scum who only live for blood and glory.

As someone who has barely played any Warcraft game, a group of werewolf hunters being exclusively villians is just disappointing.

They’re less “bad” and more the antagonists of a quest line. Protagonists don’t have to be good and antagonists don’t have to be bad. I love that Elder Scrolls games embrace this wholeheartedly. It’s more true to life.

@@noisykrickett7758 and in real life you also arent forced into joining only one side with no capacity to not be evil. at least, unless your a slave or something, but thats not the context in elder scrolls.

Not to mention that Bosmer who follow the Green Pact are forbidden from becoming Lycanthropes and will often commit suicide if accidentally infected, rather than become shapeshifters.

Isnt the cure throwing a witch head in the fire after curing Kodlak?

Arian Mehana Sure, but the point is that from your characters perspective in the game they have no way of knowing that when they become a Werewolf.

Good and Evil are a matter of perspective, also I like being werewolf yet I hate thieves guild and never join them am I good or evil according to your perspective

@@morrigankasa570 if you was roleplaying as a paladin warrior who fights daedric influence then you would want to join the companions, but then once you find out their werewolves you wouldn't want to, but theres no option to decline, your either forced to turn or end the story there

Or they just both use silver cuz its cheap and has an attack damage against all evil beings. Cuz they wield silver weapons they call them silver-something.

See my first encounter with the Silverhand was out in the wild well before I talked to the companions. So I didn't see them protecting shit.

Shade Nox I have been playing the game for all of these years and there are still things like that which have never happened to me.

Companions are hired thugs. They won't help or protect anyone or anything unless they get paid.

Fred100159 Yeah imagine beating up someone that has kidnapped a lady and attacks people on sight. Also if you say they are bad for protecting people and getting paid then what about the city guards or (in our world) the police?

Mitch Ryan No they are not. There attitude is that any werewolf regardless of if then are attacking people or not should be tortured and killed. That’s the attitude of a villain alright. Also don’t forget that even if you aren’t a werewolf and haven’t met the companions they still attack you on sight.

I second that, the combat seemed cool when he rolled and spun out the way.

@@drmadabd1389 the combat mod is combat gameplay overhaul. The armors and weapons were in a video from a couple days ago. The rest i dont know.

@@spas6433 a bit outdated, but eh, facebook.com/FudgeMuppet/posts/mod-list-mods-listed-here-are-active-for-the-skyrim-lets-played-featuring-izara-/880506715350351/

I think ist mythical enb with lighting

@@spas6433 Thanks friend :)

Quarantine, just as Hircine's "blessing," is a choice. Be a true Nord, or don't.

I’ve never had that happen to me once in my whole 9 years of playing this game, and plus I play with the Companions a lot. I reject the beast blood and they still attack me which is stupid but I’ve never had this happen. Which most likely means it isn’t true.

@@josephseed6098 I've had it happen to me as well, in my current playthrough of the game.

Hubertus Minerva I’ve never have had it to me once, which is weird... but maybe you guys have a bandit coding glitch or a mod err if you are using mods.

Hubertus Minerva I don’t play with mods.

@@josephseed6098 I doubt that the three of us have the same bandit coding issue if we're all playing without mods, which I still am since my original comment towards you. No mod playthrough because I'm picking up the achievements. I'd say you've probably just gotten really lucky/unlucky and not run into it.

Just what I was looking for tbh

I think its "would be ashamed of you"

Which one?

Pretty sure it's in their final base that you murder through with Vilkas

My diaspora Nord was incredibly disappointed in the Companions. She'd heard about them from her home in Cyrodiil, trained rigorously after she got to Skyrim, presented herself for membership at level 30, all full of visions of honor and kinship, and they tell her to act like a thug. Then the whole werewolf thing! Your own skill is not enough to gain honor in battle? You have to cheat with the aid of a daedric lord? What would Ysgramor say?

I just released a mod about the Silver Hand point of view, "Dawn of the Silver Hands -- Join the Silver Hands"