Nintendo: what if we put in SNES RR again

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Guys, I have the perfect idea: let's bring back Coconut Mall, Maple Treeway, Koopa Cape, and Mushroom Gorge! The fans love those tracks!

What would be funny is if SNES Rainbow Road, Yoshi Circuit, and Baby Park appeared in the base game of the next Mario Kart game. They returned a 2nd time in the Wii U DLC and in Tour as well, but to give Nintendo credit they held themselves back for a little while with Baby Park. Those 3 tracks seem to be Nintendo’s favorites.

@@burnypython8230 They also liked SNES Mario Circuit 3 enough to remake it 4 times instead of giving Mario Circuit 4 another chance

That might increase demand for 2D tracks given how it's relatively simple to redesign them 🤔

the graphic fidelity is most definitely going up. Im pretty sure that’s going to be a very big focus. this game is gonna look STUPID good

To be honest, I wonder if that's why they wanted to add so many remade courses in the BCP. Deluxe accounts for over half the tracks in the series. It makes me question though, if tracks that were retros in MKDS are actually on the board again with this logic though. Because some of these "updates" are nearly 2 decades old now. That's way closer to the origin of the series than present day. Even MKWii represents the midway point now, believe it or not.

I think Broken Pier and GV3 is a little bit redundant as well. Definitely a good premise to knock off a bunch of SNES courses, but I can't say I expect a t on of them to be on the selection board even if a few would make sense. And yeah, 4 Wario tracks is absolutely insane haha.

@@HDRookieI’m shocked I never thought about GV3 and BP being very similar. I see a world where they both get in, but they’re also very similar in difficulty so I’m leaning towards probably not. And yeah Wario definitely got a lot lol, I think it’s possible but I think it’s more likely that we get stadium and colosseum. Also funny how I completely forgot about Wii LC, it being in the shell cup and TF in the banana makes a ton a sense.

I think tour track is not forever and it being the worst of the remakes aesthetic and gameplay wise make the game ignorable, I think DS and maybe BCP is also in the queue if there is no more retros for a particular game if they want equal representation. Maybe N64, GCN and DS get less because they would rather have more first time remakes I also think Nintendo breaking the rule and just not have MK8 nitros, maybe they would rather giving the game as a gift for buying mk9. Even if not, the game is still on shelves and assuming mk9 is in the footstep of mk7 and mk8, there is just not much to be blown up for the mk8 graphics and not much can be done gameplay wise, I think they want to clear the older track as well. They can get more representation in these next game after mk9. I think at that point, they can have drastic change to mk9 formula like item combination and wonder flower. I think there can be a Nintendo kart separated from mario kart with more skill based element, which can also come with the crossover mk8 tracks. The egg and bell cup can still return since they are not related for crossover and maybe blue shell for retro(since retro cup names on MK8 items) and feather cup for the nitros(since they name on power ups on the main game)

@@QnjtGWonQNqVsbYyzjx4 They wouldn’t give the Tour tracks no prefix in 8DX if they planned to just drop them, plus SMK is received horribly and barely anyone likes those tracks yet they still return, and that’s not a good reasoning for no 8U tracks as retros. Retro tracks didn’t get big changes until 7, so with that logic DS and Wii shouldn’t have had retros. Feels like these are just things you want and attempted to find any reasoning for it.

​@@HDRookie,it's more likely it Will be called Mario Kart 9 or IX(Nine in Roman Numbers),& the Booster Course Pass Can also Be Fixed 'till the Release by adding the Sunset In GBA Sunset Wilds & the Missing Sound effect in DS Waluigi Pinball you'd Normally hear when drive beyond/passed the Flippers!!!

Appreciate it! Not sure how much more track video content there is, but definitely plan on exploring some other stuff too.

@@nicogarcia1894 I imagine a mix of both is still likely. This does go to show that they can do all new ones if they want. I think that since MK8 has been out for so many years at this point that perhaps any retro course that wasn't in MK8 might be eligible again. We will see.

Thanks! It's stupidly fun for me I must admit. So don't mind putting in the effort researching stuff.

@HDRookie I also do stuff like this, my personal favorite to unnecessarily go in depth about is Tennis 64 with different roster selections (because that game wanted more human characters and what that means for the franchise). No hate to waluigi but most rosters I speculate replace him with mostly Captain Syrup but sometimes Foreman Spike. Another favorite is turning various smash games into all Mario characters, or what smash on the NES or SNES, Mario kart on the og Gameboy... mostly rosters I find lol

It's hard to say. It makes logical sense to bring back some retro tracks again that have been dormant for a while. But I'm going to have to see it to fully believe it when it comes to a base game, I think. There's still evidence pointing to them valuing remaking stuff for the first time.

Hey Meester! (Fan of TWOW here lol) And I agree that the Spiny Cup is great as well. I also think the Bob-omb and Lightning Cups are great too. Due to Mushroom City, Cloudtop Cruise, Dolphin Shoals, Maka Wuhu, and Wario Colosseum, plus the potential of Wario Stadium and Broken Pier.

@@jadetheartist873Hello! It would be great to have Maka Wuhu and Wario Colosseum back!

@@MeesterTweester Also, I’m actually in EWOW, so I hope I do good!

@@jadetheartist873 Hooray!

that does make sense, since Wii had 4 DS courses, 7 had 4 Wii courses, and 8 would have probably had 4 3DS courses, but they leaned in hard with 64

Interesting comment - I'm not sure. But admittedly, I think they did this with Wii fans already in the BCP. I don't know what game they'd even nostalgia pander for at this point. MKSC feels most sensical, assuming GBA RR is the pick. But I'm not sure enough people bought it for that strategy to be effective.

I'd love to see GCN BC. DS BC is deserving as well though.

@@HDRookieI’d personally prefer GCN Bowser’s Castle.

Thanks for your kindness!

I know they're Tour courses, and were built for that game. But the classification doesn't really matter here. They still have a fundamental difference from the other Tour originals, alongside Sky High Sundae.

If the next console, a Switch 2 potentially, is backwards compatible, it brings a lot of incentive to target what is left, TBH. Deluxe had a little over half the courses in the series (96/166). I doubt it would happen due to some repetition in the selection, but adding in 26 new courses (maybe through DLC like how 8U got to 25 new tracks), along with the 70 retros not in Deluxe, would make for a new 96 track game featuring the other half of the series not in MK8D. I doubt they'd opt to use no MK8 tracks at all though.

It's really hard to balance it all. I kinda assumed Wario Shipyard just won't be in the next game unless they make a crazy decision, just because of the Wario tracks they haven't chosen yet, and that Mount Wario seems to be even more popular too. I think if there's 1 Tour track it probably is Pipeline too, yeah.

I felt the Super Horn could be fine, it's still a pullable item in first for instance, as opposed to the bullet or star. I would be hesitant on the egg cup, since it seems attached to Yoshi Circuit in the DLC. Could obviously place Yoshi's Island in it, but there might not always be a Yoshi track available in the future, which would raise concerns if it were to become static. But definitely wouldn't rule it or the Bell Cup out.

These seem pretty well thought out. Delfino Square definitely feels like it should make more sense (especially without Sunshine Airport) than Airship Fortress, given DS BC feels super likely. It's just hard to get over the BCP backlash.

Honestly, I think it'd be simpler to just move the Leaf Cup ahead of the Bob-omb Cup. I liked having Mushroom City and Wario Stadium in that cup, and liked having Wild Woods in the Leaf Cup. I think you could totally justify doing a cup swap since the Bob-omb Cup is debatably harder. The only reason I had them opposite was to have some space between Colosseum / Stadium and Bazaar / Wild Woods.

I thought about MC4 a lot, but I think I wouldn't have replaced a Wii U track had I put it in, just based on the distribution, and how many Wii U courses that are just available in comparison to the other titles.

I feel like Shine is too niche to use consistently in every game at this point. And yeah I could definitely see Leaf and Bob-omb swapped, especially considering the difficulty of my middle 2 cups are practically dead even anyway.

I could see it. The retro tracks back in DS look absolutely anicent now.

Could be right, even if it's wrong to do so. They advertised many Wii U games as Switch games to begin with though, so I wouldn't doubt it.

I'm not sure I'll do nitro content - in a sense, it feels like making up Fakemons for Pokemon. I'm just not a fan, because they won't return. I did want to get into building some MKWii custom tracks one day though to be honest, to exert my creative energy. I really want to build a downtown themed Wario track, I have a lot of idea's for that idea in particular. New track ideas are quite tough though! As for 8, I think incorporating antigravity made it pretty tough too. But I think there were still a lot of hits. I think Super Bell Subway, Cloudtop Cruise, Wild Woods, Dragon Driftway, and Mount Wario were all pretty cool! Shy Guy Falls and Thwomp Ruins even had their moments too, I'd say. I really thought Mario Circuit was a cool idea too for the new gimmick, though the novelty wears off pretty quickly.

I understand, and you’re not wrong, 8 DOES have some bangers, I just feel that they’re kinda also at the same time just diet variants of some of the MK7 Nitros. (GLARES AT MARIO CIRCUIT.) That and I don’t think the realistic-looking textures helped either, yeah it looks nice, but it also looks… lifeless in a weird way. Some of the courses sneak past this, mostly in the DLC, but I honestly just prefer the original art style just amped up. See, this is why I’m actually a fan of the BCP graphics, they’re not AS realistic but I find them a bit more inviting than the base game. Besides, I was just happy to finally get more Mario Kart after FIVE WHOLE YEARS with nothing but a stupid toy and a gatcha game.

I really like your feather cup idea, if they were to go with 10 cups. Makes perfect sense, with the Spiny Cup staying. It is hard for me to understand where they'd go next with the Wii courses in this timeline, but you'd have to imagine they bring back a few additional ones that have already returned in your next game. As for N64 Wario Stadium, I think they can make it work somehow. They'd have to change it in similar ways to Toad's Turnpike and Royal Raceway in MK8. Those tracks were originally very long too. Of course, scaling WS more properly will be a pretty big challenge still.

@@HDRookie I've reevaluated my predictions a bit, and yeah we will nearly certainly get GBA RR first lol. If we do get GCN RR too, it'll make awesome DLC. Imo this means the Bowser's Castle will likely be GCN instead of Wii or DS. I really don't think we'll get two Wario-themed stadium tracks in the base game, and Mushroom City isn't gonna be the only GCN track. I def agree with you that we will get one of the Wii Circuits though, they will wanna burn one of them asap. I'm a DS F8C believer, so Wii Mario Circuit makes more sense than Luigi Circuit. So maybe I'll replace SNES MC4 with Wii MC? As for the next-next game (which is wild to even think about) they'll need to include Wii Luigi Circuit alongside Wii BC and maybe a double-dip like Maple Treeway or DDR? Updated predictions?: SHELL CUP * DS Figure-8 Circuit * 3DS Daisy Hills * SNES Koopa Beach 1 * Wii Toad’s Factory BANANA CUP * 3DS Shy Guy Bazaar * Wii U Thwomp Ruins * Wii Mario Circuit * Tour Piranha Plant Pipeline LEAF CUP * Wii U Sunshine Airport * SNES Vanilla Lake 2 * GCN Mushroom City * N64 Wario Stadium LIGHTNING CUP * N64 DK’s Jungle Parkway * Wii U Electrodrome * DS Airship Fortress * 3DS Maka Wuhu SPINY CUP * Wii U Mute City * N64 Banshee Boardwalk * GCN Bowser’s Castle * GBA Rainbow Road

Not the most outlandish take. I think I'd definitely throw in like Choco Island 1 over Vanilla Lake 2, since that course was a Special Cup course originally and there's plenty of ice tracks already here.

@@HDRookie Tbh I can see Choco 1 or 2 happening over Vanilla 2 right now.

Another random point I thought up, assuming both Wario Stadium and Wario Colosseum return, which would likely mean the absence of Mount Wario, I see crossover cups as a way to bring back a popular 3 section course from MK8 in the form of Big Blue, as those courses seem to be the most popular from the game.

@@howdyfish9363 Yeah, I feel like Big Blue could definitely be seen as like, the forgiveness option. Why I included it in my alternative method.

Yeah, grouping my "NS" courses with the Wii U courses makes it practically unsolvable, if you use the rules from before. I could definitely see 32/16 happening. Could even do 16 Mario tracks, 16 retro tracks, 16 new crossover nitros.

Shine cup may be a little too niche - however, Coin Cup feels like a no brainer. With the star and banana cups already, I wonder if it would just be too much yellow. Gotta balance the color palette a little, you know?

@@HDRookie What makes you say the Shine Sprite is niche? It was used somewhat often throughout the GameCube and DS eras and with how....I guess infamous(?) Sunshine is as a game, people definitely know about it. Even moreso with Sunshine getting ported to Switch in the 3D All-Stars collection and a lot of people experiencing it for the first time (for better or for worse. As much as I love Sunshine (which is a lot), it really needed a remake from the ground up before being rereleased in modern times imo). Plus that famous "shinning" sound you hear from the Stars & other shiny collectables all the time now originated with the Shine Sprite. Not to mention Shine Runners/Thief being in many Mario Kart battle modes across the games. I'd say the Shine Sprite has given a lot to the Mario series overall (and I'd probably call the Power Moon more niche than the Shine Sprite too tbh), so I think it has it's place in people's minds, even if it doesn't come up nearly as much as Power Stars or Grand Stars do. Also, would you say that the color balance in the MK8 cup selection menu (sans the Booster Course Pass) is off too? Because with my suggestion, it's about the same: --Base game: Star, Special, Banana, Lightning, Triforce, Super Bell (6) --My Suggestion: Star, Special, Coin, Lightning, Shine Sprite, Power Moon (6) I suppose it would be half Yellow and half not either way Xp But like, honest questions tho

@@atroopa6288 I wouldn't really have a moon cup typically either. I think they just wanted one for 3DS Rainbow Road. I think for the main series, they'd want to target the powerups and items notorious for making appearances in multiple games. That's why I like the idea of a Coin Cup quite a bit.

@@HDRookie Truthfully, I was thinking the Power Moon would represent more the modern era of Main Series Mario (like how the Power Star was everywhere in the n64 era (and technically the Wii era too) and the Shine Sprite for the GameCube). The Power Moon would be to represent Odyssey. And with how they've handled the main collectable of that era in that past, we'd expect the Power Moon to be showing up in multiple spin-offs going forward. But who knows. As unfortunate that it would be, the Power Moon could very likely be a one and done. I would hope not since it fits well with the aesthetic of the Power Star being a star and the Shine Sprit being a sun, but you know... But anyway it's good that we both agree that the Coin and Spiky Blue Shell should become Mario Kart cup mainstays going forward. It's just surprising how the coin just hasn't been a thing, especially after they brought them back into the series with MK7

I suppose, but I don't think they consider stuff like that. They consider what fits in the cup. Both those circuits would be fine Shell Cup courses. Keep in mind, all 3 N64 tracks in MK7 were mushroom cup courses. I don't think 2 from Wii would be a big deal.

@@HDRookie That’s a fair point, but I would rather see that we get Figure-8 Circuit, maybe a Bowser’s Castle, and a returning DS course from Wii/7 like Delfino Square. I would say Figure-8 Circuit goes in the Shell Cup, and Wii Mario Circuit would fit best in the Banana Cup with Toad’s Factory ending the Shell Cup.

@@alexkartoons3659 I just can't see them doing both F8C and WiiMC. Both are figure 8s, Wii MC is honestly really simple even for a Flower Cup course.

Well, they have done worse before with the n64 mushroom courses on mk7, lol

That's a really cool idea actually. Could definitely see Feather staying. Hope your video turns out nicely!

I love the lightning cup you "settled" for, TBH. haha

@@HDRookie Yeah it's hard to go wrong with Wario Shipyard, Dragon Driftway, a 3D Bowser's Castle, and a Rainbow Road. Any combination of the latter two could probably come out being a banger, and even if you picked the worst available options Wario Shipyard & Dragon Driftway are a strong enough combo that they can easily carry on their own.

Someone sold me on the feather cup needing to be a nitro cup to complete the Super Mario World powerup progression. (Mushroom Flower Feather Star). Maybe Moon could go after Star, it's a 3-UP anyway from that game if I'm nost mistaken! I like your boomerang cup idea too haha.

Would be cool. I think them doing GCN BC and GCN RR would be less strange than just F8C though, TBH. I could see them doing GCN RR i nthe DLC, and just GCN BC next game alongside DS F8C / DS RR too.

I don't necessarily think this WILL happen, just that it would be something they could do to spice up the repeated formula

I wouldn't be super opposed. But as long as there's at least 24 new courses to start and they don't just reuse a bunch of tracks in Deluxe, I'm fine either way with it.

R5 - Wii Mario Circuit, NX Electrodrome, DS Airship Fortress, N64 Frappe Snowland. Yeah this one is the most random selection out of all of them. How I have the difficulty curve go is that it regresses a bit after R4. Not as easy as R1, more like R2 or R3 levels of difficulty here. This cup was even weirder with Cloudtop Cruise originally taking the NX spot, but because of Airship Fortress, I had to change it. Since we had a Luigi Circuit start off R1, a Mario Circuit will start off R5. There was so much switching in this cup, that Wii Mario Circuit is the one that stuck it through in this cup. Electrodrome was chosen due to it being similar difficulty to CtC, and it being a fan favorite. As much as it pained me to cut the galaxy track, Airship Fortress had been swapped with DK Pass, which was because Frappe Snowland got swapped, so it was all a bit of a mess. DS Airship Fortress is the other DS track that could've easily replaced Mario Circuit. I'm glad that Mario Circuit was gotten out of the way though, since having both F8C and MC having no remakes would be tricky. The two big DS fan favorites that theoretically should've been in the BCP are both here now. Frappe Snowland was a case of wanting another DS Retro in there. When I added VL1, I considered swapping it out with MMF or KTB, but the former would've been too underwhelming of a pick, and for the latter, well there was already KB1 and Peach Beach already. While this does mean there are only two beach tracks, and they come pretty early at that, I feel there is a lot of overlap with the pure underwater tracks, so having say, 3 of each would be way too overwhelming, even if theoretically they were the only retros to utilize underwater driving at all. R6 - GCN Mushroom City, GBA Yoshi Desert, Tour Athens Dash, NX Animal Crossing. Ok, so I know it's technically two city tracks in one course, but because Athens Dash is.. well.. Athens Dash, I think it can be gotten away with. The reason I chose Athens Dash as the "popular" city course was that Mushroom City is here, and it's gonna be really hard to justify three city courses. In terms of all the civilizations courses here, I feel I've hit a good balance. Mushroom City for the bustling modern city and also the traffic course, Athens Dash for the ancient city, Delfino Square for the tropical small town, and Bangkok Rush as a misc type. GBA Yoshi Desert was just the need to add another GBA track, since this is actually the first true desert track. Sort of like how the beaches are bunched up at the beginning, the deserts are bunched up at the end. As for Animal Crossing, well I had to include one crossover track. Mute City and Big Blue would've added another city, which would technically make 3 cities in one cup, so those were out. Hyrule Circuit is a similar brand of old-timey as Athens Dash, Excitebike Arena is a bit too similar looking to Yoshi Desert, and that just left Animal Crossing. While the F-Zero tracks and HrC may be more popular, they didn't fit here. R7 - SNES Mario Circuit 4, NX Super Bell Subway, DS DK Pass, Wii Dry Dry Ruins. Honestly, I put in MC4 to keep the tradition of a Mario Circuit in every cup. Also, I'd personally like to keep this track flat. This is because there are already a couple circuits, and I'd like at least one track to stay flat to pay an homage to the old games in that way, and it's a bit inexcusable to do that with the GBA courses at this point. Super Bell Subway was put to increase the unique tracks, and while it was a super hard pick, I determined SBS to be a bit more unique than Dragon Driftway. There already is Ninja Hideaway, after all, which happens to be a super popular course, and in the next cup. SBS on the other hand is the very rare travel course, and a hard one at that. Additionally, as a railfan, this was a bit of a personal pick. DK Pass is the final snow course, but actually the only DK course here. Believe it or not, DS Luigi's Mansion used to be here, even though it was in the Mushroom Cup, but I switched it after realizing there was not a single DK course, and I settled with only one ghost track with Banshee Boardwalk. As for Dry Dry Ruins, well I needed one more Wii, and one more Desert track, so it sort of just fits perfectly in this case lol. R8 - N64 Wario Stadium, Tour Ninja Hideaway, 3DS Bowser's Castle, GCN Rainbow Road. Wario Stadium is a long course. It will be 2 laps here, which still takes 3:30 in 64, but I think it would be okay if they pulled a Sky Garden and simplified the layout a little bit. Either that, or scaling down the track as a whole, which might be the better option since this track is really wide. Ninja Hideaway is the goat tour track, and I already talked about it plenty elsewhere. The BC track was originally going to be DS, but I changed it to 3DS. I know that people hate 3DS BC, but there were two 3DS tracks and four DS tracks before I made this switch. Wanting to balance that out, I made the switch. This ends off with GCN Rainbow Road, which is a really good finale Rainbow Road. Like N64, Wii, and 7, they work in that regard, while SNES, GBA, DS, and NX can work as the less exciting rainbow roads. You may argue that SNES is a more grand finale track, but remember, SNES Rainbow Road was literally the only Rainbow Road ever to have not been at the end of a cup at one point. Share your thoughts! (end of part 2)

A quick segment, the battle tracks There will be 18, 9 nitro 9 retro. That means one from each game including Tour SNES BtC3 - Ok, considering that all the battle course themes were either the three themes I already included in the race courses, or it was Battle Course 1, this was tough. I nearly switched out an SNES racing course for this, but then I decided that SNES BtC3 would be a nice fit, since ice physics on a battle map would be a very fun experience N64 Block Fort - Sorry Double Deck, but Block Fort is dying to come back again. It's time we got a fire battle course selection again. GBA BtC3 - Yeah I know it's another 3, and also it's been remade already, but my justification here is that, the themes that were not remade I also happened to bring back as courses itself. I picked this over BtC1 since BtC3 is the only course to feature Peach's Castle in the BG, so that's something. If you're concerned about the nomenclature, remember that MK8D had 5 rainbow roads.. GCN Tart Top - This is a nice complement to Sky High Sundae, not really much to say about this once since battle tracks aren't as much of a puzzle as racing tracks. DS Nintendo DS - Honestly, the later we add this course back, the less amount of the audience will actually realize what they are racing on. I'm super baffled this didn't come back in 3DS, but I guess Palm Shore was more important lol Wii Funky Stadium - Complain all you want for Delfino Pier or Thwomp Desert, but they are too similar to Delfino Square and Dry Dry Ruins. Funky Stadium is one of the more interesting battle tracks. There was also Chain Chomp Wheel but that one was a little too crazy. Since there is no Block Plaza for obvious reasons, it was the only one left. 3DS Honeybee Hive - I hope this gets the same treatment as Wuhu Town got because the 3DS Battle Theme is bad (I think that 3DS has the worst battle mode, except for Tour, and you know what). A frantic remix of Honeyhive Galaxy would be nice. Again, it got chosen over Sherbet Rink due to being more unique. NX Dragon Palace - Since I cut Dragon Driftway for Super Bell Subway in one of the closest battles ever, here is the battle variant. Honestly there wasn't much option anyways. Underpass was out because I didn't want another crossover track, we already had Sweet Sweet Canyon, and Battle Stadium felt too generic, and the generic battle courses are covered by the 2D ones. While I did consider Lunar Colony, I ended up choosing DrP instead due to the aforementioned reason. Tour Paris Promenade B - Yeah this was a.. why did Tour have battle tracks again? The reason I chose it over NYMB was because it was a bit similar to Mushroom City, and I never added a European track.. a real one, you don't count Athens, so why not do it here.

What does NX mean? They’d use Switch, not whatever NX is

It'd be strange for me since they're just variations of the mushroom/flower cups. But then again, they added a golden mushroom cup to MK8 (though admittedly, it is its own item)

Another possibility could be the hammer cup instead of the bubble flower

I've had a lot of these comments that I haven't had time to fully get into but this one was worth a bit of wait to read. I could see them going a DLC route with GBA Rainbow Road, as a "we didn't forget but didn't see it as marketable for our prerelease trailers as GCN RR!" kinda thing. In a sense, it'd be like how they put 64 RR in MK8 and added SNES after. And yes, this would provide a lot of potential unraveling when it comes to my predictions with just 1 little lever switch. I do prefer to go with non reused tracks in general, so def don't think I'd cosign the Peach Beach pick. Maybe I'd go KB1 there, and place Broken Pier instead of Banshee Boardwalk for another GBA track instead of well, another beach course. Probably would get rid of Delfino Squarte for F8C also, take Wii MC instead, yadda yadda. It'd come at the cost of 3DS MC, but MC4 is already here too. Though admittedly, don't think it'd be popular for fans. But they don't know have to know.

@@HDRookie Yeah the set of 24 was mostly just a thing that let the details I already set out magically coexist, I sincerely doubt they'd actually be bringing back Peach Beach (this soon, at least). It's mostly just a personal thing as I clarified below. I'm still a firm believer in biting the bullet on repicks in general, though. Not that believing in no repicks is wrong, it just doesn't feel right to me to have only 1 track from a game in a 24-selection when there's only 8/9 games to pick from.

Color scheme is a factor too. Coin cup makes a lot of sense on paper, but it would likely be placed near the star or banana cup. I feel like it'd have to be before the Flower Cup or even before the Mushroom Cup. But that feels kinda weird, thinking about how traditional Mario powerups work.

Sorry about the coin cup rant I got confused and thought you included it lol. I’m not sure how much item power counts outsider of starter/ender cups since the lucky cat cup, the ultimate power up of 3DW, is the second in a row, while the normal bell is near the end, but I definitely see what you mean. I feel like a potential coin cup would have to be totally random in the middle or placed as a row started in a new DLC row along with a mushroom since they’ll probably continue the trend.

@@koosloo_ulia Coin cup makes a lot of sense TBH. It's an iconic Mario logo. Just need to figure out the right placement.

It would be pretty cool for me, just can't see it ever happening.

Yeah! Doing as well as ever. Funny enough, I actually peeped your channel the other day. Wanted to find a screenshot of the 32 track screen for this video and remembered the opening FFA tournament from 8U. Unfortunately for me, your recap had nothing but the races themselves though, haha. Interesting to see you here though! Hope you're doing well.

@@HDRookie For some reason I didn't expect a reply, but im doing decent thanks! I hope you do too :) That's funny that you remember that FFA, time flies so fast its been 10 years already! Its cool to see that you and others still play competitively. I personally can't wait for the next Mario Kart to give it a go at competitive again, the early months are always super fun. Maybe we will compete against each other then again 👀

@@Wadsm For sure. Get your account on MKCentral set up ahead of time. We run all our stuff there these days. Will be ready to go for the next title for sure.

Would be pretty surprised to see the Wii circuits so late! Or both remaining SNES BCs. Definitely see that you want those SNES courses cleared up. I feel like if they went that far, they might as well finish up the GCN, DS, and Wii tracks also.

Hey rookie, thanks for the reply! I’ve actually done so many combinations of a first time retro only lineup for the next game, and in all those many many combinations I had came up with, this combination was the only one that I actually liked or could get behind, and as a result it’s become my favorite. As much as I would have loved to finish off all the GCN, DS, and WII tracks, I simply couldn’t work them in a realistic way mainly due to thematic overlap and prefix overlap. As for the WII circuits coming much later, I tried to emulate Mario kart Wii’s retro selection having a circuit end the leaf cup and start the lightning cup, as I’ve always loved that general unpredictably Nintendo used to have with retros. I also tried to pick all ‘fan favorite’ Wii U courses in a similar vein to how Mario kart 7 only picked the fan favorites from Wii.

I don’t think that’s entirely a good idea. It changes the retros *way* too much. I mean if Figure 8 Circuit becomes a demolition derby, then it’s no longer Figure 8 Circuit. Instead of wasting ideas like that on retro courses, they could use them as actual courses instead of a Wonder Effect

@@generalcrab0009 Yeah I can see what you mean, but I should have specified that I would see the wonder flower effect being collected by some driver at the start of lap 3, and then whoever on the wonder version of the track collected the wonder seed would send everybody back to where they were to finish the third lap

That's not what they're called in the Mario universe though 🤔

The first wave of the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Booster Course Pass DLC would disagree.

@@theguywhoruinsthejoke9027 Think I'm missing something here, what are you referring to?

Golden Dash and Lucky Cat are both 2 words

true and all but the trend of using more than 1 word never continued.

They kinda did that with Boo Lake in MKTour. I'd be down.

@@HDRookie or like an actual one where it’s located next to creepy mountains in a dark forest and some Luigi Mansion references

I adore it lol

I was kinda surprised they didn't add Twilight House and Cookie Land after MKT, TBH. Or New York / Paris.

It would make more sense if the Booster Pass didn't exist. Now we have so many "official" cup names it seems, lol

@@HDRookieBCP was both a blessing and a curse..

As long as there's more than 16 "new" tracks, I don't think it's a big deal. And I think there will be. The mindset would be, look at how many new courses there are - and this one is the hidden MKTour track! Maybe it only works in my mind, at least.

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Just Google Sheets these days. I preferred excel back in the day but student access is gone now.

Dream Team's soundtrack was just special, can't lie.

Well, the Spiny Cup may be a shell cup, but it exists officially in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe now. 1) I don't think it's a massive consideration, but it'd be good for there to not be overkill. Both DS Mario Circuit and DS Peach Gardens have it and originated 3 tracks apart in MKDS, and 1 wave apart in the BCP. 2) Daisy Hills pairs with the Wii circuits just as well as F8C, I'd say. Just not Toad Circuit. 3) I don't agree with this premise at all. A matter of fact, final star cup tracks very commonly return as track 3s in later games.

​@@HDRookieYeah, the Blue/Spiny Shell Cup existed, but that's DLC.

Not really - Delfino Square's issue is just whether or not they've decided they can bring back previously used retro courses.

​​​​@@HDRookie I question it because if I there have to be 2 DS tracks, and I pick (Wii) LC or Peach Circuit instead of F8C, then I'd have to remake a track a have already been remade before. I only tracks that that I could pick are Yoshi Falls, Delfino Square, and maybe Luigi's Mansion. Also, do you think the next Mario Kart game can have two tracks that include Peach's Castle?

@@Peppizza73 Yep, since they've done it with DS MC and Peach Gardens multiple times before.

It seems reasonable. It does seem to put the Wii courses in a weird spot after this game, as well as GCN (3 special cup tracks, nothing else). Additionally, not sure they'd only do the Wuhu tracks for 3DS, or MC4 as early as track 6. While it's also counterintuitive, I don't think the amount of tracks you have in their original slots would hold either (for instance in the leaf cup, DDR first track, BP 2nd, Ed 3rd, MW 4th, etc.) That's one of those patterns Nintendo likes to weirdly change a lot, so I'd expect more surprises there. Your philosophy clearly seems to be looking out for the courses that were not even in Tour as well. I just don't know how realistic that is. They've dug themselves in so much of a hole that if they follow those guidelines, every move they make that respects a return to form would be highly predictable. Which in a sense, also breaks a rule they've always respected: that they need to be surprising.

How are you making Yoshi Falls work? Crossing the middle somehow?

@@HDRookie Having one of the laps (most likely the 3rd lap), take you on a detour from the normal track. It would be so cool to race down one of the waterfalls and explore the land below before racing back up another waterfall and making your way to the finish line.

@@Peppizza73 For me, I felt that DS MC made the most sense for this idea. Lap 2, take a detour into the castle, and exit to the left outside and play the rest of the race in reverse.

@@HDRookie I can swap Yoshi Falls with Daisy Hills, tho

Delfino Square and Banshee Boardwalk felt like they should've been Tour tracks. That being said, Delfino would have to compete with Airship Fortess. Perhaps Bowser's Castle feeling next up gives Delfino that advantage. I'd be pretty disappointed with Peach Beach, to be honest. The awkward thing about this all is the second time retros feel like they'd be slanted to the more popular later cup courses, but those returning a second time would lower the amount of later cup courses could be selected for a first time in a sense if too many are selected. This is why I prefer the Alternative final 2 cups are just different rules suggestion.

Yeah that's the sad thing about GCN's selection, it's kinda just slim pickings. Worth noting though, it's easy to just disregard Tour counting at all and add Mushroom Bridge to the pool. Especially if the "first-time" selection has tracks from Tour. It's already neglected enough for it. It would eliminate City, but Mushroom Bridge + Wario Colosseum seems like it'd satisfy most fancies regardless, plus it frees up Mushroom City & Rainbow Road to come back together in the game _after_ MKNX2. The whole "GCNRR is above Mushroom City" thing was always cool.

This lineup would be insane for me personally, I just can't see them doing a lot of these tracks again, namely the ones just in the Booster Pass. But you chose so many of my favs lol.

TBH, that's my favorite battle map of all time. It's good to me still.

@@HDRookie I mainly said that from a "The only good battle mode in the history of the series is renegade roundup" standpoint

I get the sentiment. For me, I love having remixed tracks. But they shouldn't be getting in the way of new, original, designs. I'd love to see 32 new courses in the base game if anything. I'd take that + 16 retros for sure.

As someone who really wants all four of those tracks to return, I love this idea!

The problem is that when playing in grand prix, a cup with tracks that all have a similar theme would get really stale to play on really fast. Even if they all are a bit distinctly, it’ll still be unnecessarily repetitive while probably enraging people over having one character/theme taking away potentially tracks from other characters/themes

@@koosloo_ulia I mean I agree with that but apart from being wario tracks (which doesn’t have that much to do with the tracks themselves) I think they’re definitely thematically distinct enough. mount wario being snowy and sectional and wario shipyard being underwater both feel very different. But I do think stadium and colosseum have a lot of overlap so there would be some shared idea space there. If this were to happen I think the remakes could make those two stand out from each other, but even so I don’t think the idea is perfect, just throwing it out as a curveball concept

@@JacobPDeIiNoNi people already get mad over piranha plant cove and pipeline being in the same game and call the too similar even when in reality they are completely different. People WILL get angry despite their similarities. It’s just not worth it, whats gained by doing it over traditional cups?

@@koosloo_ulia I mean what’s gained is something brand new that would stand out, being able to bring back four well liked tracks all together (when, as mentioned in the video, it would generally be weird to have that many wario tracks all together). It’s still weird, but putting some theming behind it kind of justifies all their inclusion. And I mean you’re right people would complain, but people would also complain if you didn’t include mount wario. People will complain no matter what, but I think Nintendo would want to do something weird. (and it probably wouldn’t be this or anything remotely similar, there’s an infinite number of things they can do with the next game.) It was just an idea I had since it works out with four non-remade wario tracks.

It would make sense in some ways, but not so much in others. The more recent ones are probably just more marketable. The spin needs to be that they but a ton more effort into redesigning these tracks. They've at least taken some steps in the BCP.

@@HDRookie I still hope they give SNES and GBA more than one track in the next game.

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I'm not entirely certain what you were getting at here. That people are criticizing tracks for not having things that not everyone is even aware about?

It actually was the last thing I made when filling out the background video, fun fact

E3 is dead. Nintendo pulled out of it. We will get a Nintendo Direct (probably), but they aren’t going to announce a new game before they announce a new console. They haven’t done that before

Well, maybe they give us hovercars as the new gimmick in the next MK 😅

It is true. Though it's still probable that Nintendo saves some big announcements for June, imo.

Don't quite follow what you mean here..