If you want to criticize TOTJ for contradicting lore, there are plenty of examples to choose from. It’s beyond me that you picked an episode that doesn’t adhere to that criticism. Something something hating just to hate something something

I love how we lost all of the EU to avoid contradictions and yet Disney can’t go 1 year without contradicting their OWN content

Crazy how "Tales of the Jedi" is a series that only focuses on 2 jedi.

I felt like episode 1 should've been focused on Plo and Ahsoka

IMO, Dooku is the most wasted character in canon. Nobody ever talks about him and I'd honestly think his story could be WAY more interesting than even Anakin. Imagine an Andor style Dooku trilogy, now that's something I'd watch!

I liked the Dooku episodes, but they did feel pretty rushed, and I honestly prefer the Legends backstory where he turns to the darkside after Qui Gon’s death.

I’m tired of Ahsoka. It also feels like Filoni’s going over his head.

It’s amazing how much they can undo their own canon without even trying _”Something like that happened to me, yknow...I can’t exactly remember what it was-sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I’m gonna have a backstory I prefer it to be MULTIPLE CHOICE!”_ - Luke, probably

The best Disney can offer us is potential, it’s sad. Except Andor. That absolutely slaps.

I can imagine how much more worthwhile Tales would’ve been had it been given a longer Runtime. 15 minutes just wasn’t enough for the stories being told to truly settle. Andor takes an hour of time to settle its story’s and it works. Animation is difficult for sure, but had we been given 30 minutes at the very least Tales of The Jedi could’ve left a bigger impact than the short stories we were given.

Big rant cos I need to vent... Dooku losing control and choking people out of emotion really made me think that they got his character wrong. I like the idea that he left the jedi order as a conscious decision that was based more around facts of what he knew to be right then feelings. He always came across like a very in control kinda guy who always made consice decisions even in the heat of the moment. I dont like the idea that Disney defines being a part of the dark side as having to be someone who needlessly inflicts pain and being rash. I feel like it removes several layers of depth his story had of him leaving the order. Also how nobody is pissed off that yaddle got turned into puddle and her bones were turned to powder by the big fuck off door and just lifted it up and managed to seamlessly reverse pancake herself is beyond me, I dont know how people watch this and dont face palm out of feeling as patronised as I did.

Replace Ahsoka with Plo Koon or any other Jedi and i feel this show would've been so much better. If they continued what The Clone Wars did, where they use it to flesh out characters who barely got any screen time in movies/show then it would be so much better. I feel Star Wars REALLY...really needs a break from Ahsoka, she shouldn't taking up the spot light so much when other characters need it the most.

Mr. Talks, you forgot to mention Filoni’s classic problem of changing Yaddle’s lightsaber color from orange to green.

I love how people shit on the carefully curated world of the EU for being convoluted without ever reading any of them and then go off to talk about how fantastic CW and basically all of Disney is.... Pre 09 is the only Star Wars for me (some awesome EU entries up through the official buyout too (((oh and Rogue One, i can forgive no Bothans and some minor details for an overall well-made story))), but at large the Golden Age was during the resurgence caused by the prequels) Also really wish they stuck with the original story of Dooku's fall and leaving of the Order, I really enjoy the story between him and Komari plus it sets up Ventress PS your wishes for Dooku's fall is so much more well done in the comics with things like the atrocities on Galidraan, his Padawan going nuts over him and becoming twisted by her rejection not only by Dooku, but from the Order, as well as Qui-Gon's death being the nail in the coffin. He actually left the order before his fall btw too in the EU

I actually LOVED Tales fo the Jedi! I hope it gets more seasons!

I'll never understand the need for the pilot with Ahsoka's backstory, pure unnecessary 'fanservice' if you can even call it that as no one seems to like it

This show was good . I wish they were longer episodes

Dookus turn to the dark side should be its own film tbh

As someone who has read the Ahsoka book and is a massive Ahsoka fan, you're right they do break the Canon and its really stupid. I was really annoyed that they didn't just adapt the books story because the final conflict between her and the Inquisitor is really fast but its because she finally accepts the role of Grey jedi and uses both the dark and light side of the force to beat him. Its a quick conflict but she has had a books worth of time to find herself in the force.

Dooku definitely needs to be fleshed out more. I hope we see more of him sometime soon. For example I want to know how he met Sideous for the first time and why he chose to start working with him before Qui Gon died.

Glad someone else sees the same problem with dooku in tcw. He's too obviously evil and I always wondered how he got anyone to join the seperatist cause if he's always a collosal douche. In legends at. Least he had charisma

If only Dave could come up with an original name instead of taking from a beloved EU story in order to bait those fans.

I would say that is a fair analysis. I have to acknowledge that I have a special attachment to Ahsoka Tano. My daughter basically grew up with her and seized on that character and I guess I have a father like association with the character. I must admit halfway through the episode when I realized that her training with the clones was going to tie into order 66 I broke down. What can I say I’m a softy.

Dooku erasing the data of Kamino, and commissioning the clone army, during The Phantom Menace is absolutely a continuity fuck up. It's doubling down on the screw up from Clone Wars season 6 regarding the timing of when this took place. In Attack of the Clones, Obi Wan says that Syfo Dias was killed "almost 10 years ago." Note the "almost" part of that sentence, i.e. it was less than 10 years ago. Attack of the Clones takes place 10 years after The Phantom Menace, meaning that the clone army was commissioned after the events of The Phantom Menace. The Clone Wars messed this up too, by saying that Syfo Dias was killed whilst Valorum was still Chancellor, which can't be true if he was killed after Phantom Menace.

As someone that likes *Ashoka* (in the shows) but by god is she being overused. It's getting out of hand for sure. And although I've yet to watch it. Yes, *Dooku* has always been an interesting character. The prequels barely scratched the surface on him.

Funny you mention Dave's precious OC, Asoka; I used to love her, but now I'm getting sick of seeing her in every piece of Star Wars medium. I'd love it if we could see other new characters get the spotlight. However, it's Disney. I'm not expecting anything worthwhile.

Sheev I could not agree with you more. Even during the Clone Wars show itself they did a better job at exploring other aspects of Jedi history. I also find it hilarious that everyone treats Palpatine and the rise of the Empire as the worst thing in the history of the universe but if you've read any of the expanded media about the history of the Jedi and Sith you would know that Palpatine is pretty tame compared to what's come before now.

I like Ashoka but she really should have stayed dead in rebels

Hey sheev love your content! I would like more long form videos, it's my favorite thing to listen to while I work on cars. Keep it up!

FINALLY! Thank you! By the Force its so relieving to hear someone voice this!

the most exciting star wars saga to come out in the future will be Sheev ripping into the new canon for hours on end.... And that fills me with so much joy.

I hate so many things about this show : the shameless ripping off the name of a better EU comic, more pointless Ahsoka pandering, and the tease of seeing Dooku and Qui Gon together here but not in the EU.

Sadly, what they could have done was actually animate the old Dark Horse comics run of Tales of the Jedi. Now that, was a great series presenting different and new characters in various points of time. If you want to TRUE Tales of the Jedi, read those comics. They are so easy to find. They are amazing....

Basically I agree with you, but I have my own problems with this "series" My assessment of "Tales of the Jedi" is somewhat lower, since I consider the entire Dooku arch somewhat overrated. In fact, the conflict in the first and second series is repeated by the same idea - the evil senator spits on his people, and the Senate and the Jedi do not care about this. The only difference is that the second episode holds the intrigue much better and brings pleasant details, as well as the fact that the conflict between Dooku and Mace is revealed many times better than the Count's relationship with Qui-Gon, who... in fact, it wasn't in the first episode. Qui-gon just releases the senator's son in time and that's it. It's sad. The last episode also did not make a proper impression. Firstly, Yaddal is the most formulaic Jedi who speaks typical Jedi phrases (although the actress did a good job here). Secondly, this whole situation, pushing Dooku to kill her, is as banal and cliched as possible, although it always seemed to me that the Count's transition into darkness was due to more subtle events, for example, working with separatist leaders. Well, in the end, it was as stupid as possible for Yaddal to come out in front of a potential Sith lord, given the fact that one of them had recently killed Qui-Gon. A series with Ahsoka's training could potentially be better if the conflict was built between Anakin, who defends his experimental teaching methods, and the Council, which does not agree with him. This would give even more weight to the final scene, they say, it was Skywalker's departure from the old rules of the Jedi Order that helped Ahsoka survive during Order 66. Well, regarding the last series - I have read the novel in full, and I can say a lot. First of all, even if the events in the series are not the same as in the book, then we still have a retcon, because in the novel, an Organa agent came to Ahsoka, and only then they met, this definitely did not happen during the funeral. Secondly, the whole plot is based on the book, while removing a bunch of important details - the arrival of the Empire and the destruction of the old harvest; the uprising of farmers; torture and interrogation by the Inquisitor of the inhabitants of the farmer's Moon. We got a pathetic piece of history, and even the death of the Inquisitor is arranged many times worse than in the novel. In the end we have two chairs: Either Filoni rejected the entire book, which would be just a blatant crime against the NEW UNIFIED CANON (and also a great disrespect to the writer of the novel), or he simply decided to make a series inspired by it, but in the end it turned out second-rate and flat. I will look forward to your review of Andor. I love this series, and I want to hear what you think about it.

My expectations were mild at best and I was mildy satisfied

Wuh? Dooku doesn't kill Yaddle! That's ridiculous! She died saving a city from a bioweapon.

i really agree with everything you said. They are all decent episodes, i enjoyed all of them but the fact that they are shorts makes them all feel super rushed and not fully fleshed out. I wish they followed cannon a bit more, like the training scene in epi 5 kanan and the old jedi dude meet ahsoka but later on in the clone wars and rebels they both respectively act like they've never met her. But i did like it so 8.3/10 but really should have been a 9.5-10/10 with the source material they had on hand (but all my ratings are shifted above yours since everyone's scale is subjective, i don conisder 5 average like you do, i think of it like school where 7-7.5 is average)

I honestly thought they would have an ep about Quinlan Vos with how well he'd fit in dookus story

Wish this tales of the jedi focussed on jedi we actually dont know much about.. like quinlan vos or maybe the grand inquisitor when he was still a jedi or something.

Totally agree, the series introduces some really great plot lines, but rushes through them, maiming their potential. Almost every episode has a moments where characters have to act atleast slightly irrational, in order for the story to get to where it needs to be to hit the timelimit. I wish we'll get a full show on dooku's fall... or just jedi's going on peacekeeping missions, slowly showing the republic's failings. The final episode probably felt the weakest... I had no problem with the set up and the idea i suppose - even the fact ashoka beat the inquisitor in one move was fine... i mean she's fought stronger opponents before - but I haaaate the "evil inquisitor" trope... like the guy got told there's a jedi on the planet, went to town... and then slaughtered everyone there? Why? Did no one tell her Ashoka was out of town, that she was coming back in some days? Why would he want to kill the people? I didn't watch rebels so idk if inquisitors are always like this, but I'm tired of seeing the empire as this stupid bad guy org, that is happy to kill its own people just because. A similar moment of: oh well i guess he's evil was the corrupt senator in dooku's story who was... turned by his son... idk... All in all an ok addition, though rewatching would probably only reveal more holes and flaws in character's descisions.

It was rushed as fuck

the David Tennant droid could have been a Framing device. Like Jim Henson’s the storyteller, tenant narrating the stories and then you could just be yada yada yada away The canon. These are Jedi folktales.

Honestly the Dooku part was the best bits, Ahsoka though just becoming an overexposed character at point, It's now getting to a point where you sigh when she appears. The character feels worn out now. Filoni really needs to learn to let go at this point, Yes Ahsoka was his Character but see seems to be now stealing the spotlight from other characters as well.

Visions is what Tales of the Jedi wishes it was

1st episode made me facepalm. What kind of idiot mother will take her 1-year old child to hunt? How are you gonna shoot a rifle when her head is right under your shoulder, how do you know that she won’t cry and scare the prey, how are you gonna chase the prey? How are you gonna protect her from a predator…oh… And this child, who doesn’t understand what’s going on and thought that tiger is just playing games with mommy, who doesn’t even talk yet, who never used the Force before, somehow not only stops the tiger from eating her, not only convinces it to give her a ride, but somehow makes it to bring her to the village which it would never come close to because it knows it would be shot…She didn’t even know in which direction the village was from them! Even Ezra, who isn’t a great character, had real trouble with calming down animals or just making them feel his emotions, and he was a teenager with some basic Force training! Bravo Dave Filoni, you made Ahsoka a Mary Sue. And the weird thing - in next episode she is failing again and again! Does that mean that training makes her worse?

Dave if you want to make another clone wars season just ask and stop messing around

Episodes are too short honestly can’t be bothered to watch the Ashoka episodes. Why Ashoka? Can we focus on someone else she is getting her own live action show and had been animated tons

6:15 Oh, look! A Fringy cameo! Seriously though, they are proving they don’t actually give a damn about even their own canon source material.

Star Wars is treated like marvel or DC with no singular continuity. No longer a space opera so whoever Disney puts out is either mediocre or fine. Tales of the Jedi is good but I just wish the EU would have given credit instead of Filoni. Are they going to give Filoni credit to Bane next?

I got a Star Wart ad on this. Bold.

You'll see that my mind is too fast for eyes

Yoda:Dark Rendezvous is the best Dooku story. I have spoken

I thought I was the only one who didn’t like tales of the Jedi, I was so excited for it and I wanted to like it so bad and I ended up getting disappointed

They should've been 30 min each

I kinda still want an animated what if show tho from Filoni

I thought the Dooku arc was quite well done, considering it's runtime. The Ahsoka arc, on the other hand, just felt like the Clone Wars filler episodes that nobody wanted to watch. So many Jedi they *could've* done, and they chose to use Ahsoka again.

I enjoyed it a lot!

Im gonna start calling you Sheever Man now

I think the most important problem is that they are playing too easy. I haven't seen Tales of the Jedi, but also judging by the fact that it talks about two ex-Jedi that we got to know extensively with Clone Wars and the prequel trilogy, instead of basing its narrative on multiple Jedi, perhaps recanonizing some who seem to have disappeared from the circulation, raises many doubts about the production's desire to deliver slightly different products. We could have easily told three different stories of two episodes each, instead of 6 that were incomplete: and, perhaps, touching on periods that we have never seen on screen. In short, we are always either during the clone wars, or during the transition phase to the Empire, or, at most, in the one immediately following the destruction of the second Death Star. They really don't seem to have the slightest idea how there is such a wealth of material about the old republic, but I guess they want to keep the doors open to plunder that material when the next projects go awry too.

0:55 Holy hell. Same. I wish I quit before Kenobi (and only watched the first ep bcoz someone else did).

"Objectivity is objective, in my subjective opinion." -Bilbo Baggins

With just the first episode of TOTJ I felt sad. I was expecting the story that Ahsoka told in brief during the Clone Wars, where a fake Jedi came to collect her, she heard the Force saying it sus af, villagers not believing her and Plo Koon rescuing her. Instead we get Ahsoka taming a Saber Tooth and the Elder being "ooo, she a jedi!" Never mind the fact her origin story kinda trumped over Anakin's, where she used force powers from birth meanwhile Anakin didn't even fucking know until he was a twerp. The Dooku episodes I thought were good, though having Dooku lose control felt harsh on his character, given his "signature look of superiority" and him being from some noble bloodline, I felt him always being the control freak. (especially since I don't think we saw him with sith eyes ever in the movies, maybe once or twice in the clone wars?) "Resolve" sucked. I read Ahsoka back when it came out in 2016 and really enjoyed the depiction of Order 66, the immediate post-Order 66 galaxy and the story of how Ahsoka came to be Fulcrum. Then seeing Filoni trash Johnston's story to make it "his" and all that...

Thank god, episodes with Dooku are good (after bad first Ahsoka episode I was worried). Really shows you where he is coming from and what is the line between him and Qui-Gon lies. I find it weird that senator decided to shoot even though his son is a hostage, but I guess Dooku told him he was not in danger and maybe he knows how many people there are…Also weird that the guards invited Jedi to see the place of murder when they were guilty…Also why didn’t Yaddle at least try to jump backwards when she was holding the door above her, she could have survived…Granted, Sidious could have force pull her forward, but it would be nice to see.

Same alternative idea as you when I watched. Loved the Dooku stuff, wanted more of it, Ashoka was boring for me.

Dooku leaving the Order after Qui-Gon’s death makes more narrative sense than him leaving before. Qui-Gon was like a son to him, and he’d blame the Council for getting him killed.

Tales of the Jedi was pretty enjoyable but honestly it just mad me wish more that they would make these full episodes and just make a Clone Wars season 8. Also totally agree, the inquisitors design in episode 6 was so amazing and I really hate that he died in two seconds never to be seen again. What a waste of pure gold.

Filoni keeps dragging my favorite character through the mud.😮‍💨😔

I didn’t really like any of Ashokas episodes, I had an issue with all of them. Dookus we’re very good though.

I thought it was great looking forward to Tales of The Sith.

Tales of the Jedi should have just been Tales of Dooku and been an actual full length season.

Tales of the WHAT?!

Ashoka should have gone through the arc that they put Obi-Wan did in his own show. Ashoka being in a depress state and abandoning her jedi training that she became weak for inquisitor (being the one shown in this show of instead of Reeva) to take her on. Rediscovering hope through to help other while on the run. Obi-Wan stay on deserts planet learning about the force and staying in peak of his jedi training to train the last hope of galaxy.

give us more dooku that shit was great. best sw content ive seen in years pplus andor

I agree that the Dooku stuff was good, but everything Ahsoka felt pointless completely IMO. I like her as a character, but the episodes didn't show us anything new or interesting about her. An episode dedicated to how she learnt how to dodge blaster bullets? I guess it adds more emotion to the S7 CW finale, but it was a real waste of time otherwise, and a waste of an episode where we could have seen something more interesting.

The Dooku half's the only part I think is worth watching. As much as I like Ahsoka, her half just felt pointless, like there was nothing in it I really felt I needed to see.

Yes, this season could’ve been this or that. But I thought what it actually did was very high quality. The baby Ahsoka episode was mid, but the rest were good to great. And the concept of short stories about Jedi is really cool to me. And an effective short can be 10/10 or close to it. So yeah, it could’ve told a wider variety of stories, but I think it was still really good, and I hope they explore the idea more in the future. I mean this could be a never ending anthology series.

3:25 Haha..... nobody wants to write about that.

More like "Tales of Dooku and Ahsoka Tano".

Thanks for this video. You spared me a couple of hours of my life 😂

Episode 5 was probably my favorite, due to the “in depth” showing of Ashokas training and the bond she and anakin shared. But 6 was definitely the worst of the bunch

I honestly thought that the inquisitor's design in episode 1 was really boring, it honestly just looked like they took Darth Nihilus' incredible design and downgraded it, and added vague ravenesque motifs.

The only problem with Tales of the Jedi is that it wasn't long enough. The end.

I'm so sick of Ahsoka at this point

the ashoka episodes were not necessary but the dooku episodes were

i don´t get the hate for tales of the jedi i understand why some people hate the ashoka episodes since we are tired of filoni allways using her even though it was fine seeing her in live action but the dooku episodes was great

While the Dooku TOTJ episodes contradicted Dooku Jedi Lost, honestly, it's an improvement in this case as in the episodes Dooku has actual agency and complex motivation as a character...unlike his entire character in TCW where they threw out ANY attempts at complexity or exploration of Dooku in favor of 'The Maul Show' I agree with you that TOTJ should have just followed Dooku's story with Yoda, Mace and Qui Gon, giving us insight and development of their relationships leading to who they became in the Prequels. Instead...as with TCW, we had to spend too much time on a character that's already been done to death and then some- Ahsoka, who, like Maul, I am just so sick and tired as they keep getting brought back and serve zero actual benefit to the plot.

6:20 completely agree

Oh come on, novels? The consensus for novels, comics etc has always been that they’re canon till a higher tier of media states otherwise. Why hold a massive tv show to some novel that came out a decade earlier that barely any of the fanbase reads.

I think we can all agree that this series has a lot of potential... Let's hope for the best...

I wished each season was less episodes but longer ones and each season is on a different jedi so dooku would be 1st season then ahsoka could have a seaon i guess then some other cool jedis

Is there somewhere I can find your 1-2 hour rants you streamed a while back? You deleted em lmao

Is Grogu the love child of Yaddle and Yoda?

Episode 4 is peek the rest is a little mid

Why did the show have to retcon the ahsoka novel lol

I wanted more Dooku too..

Taking away the credits his whole thing can be finished in 1 hour... So much wasted potential. Take all the episodes slap "insert year number later" between them and it could have been 1 hour moive.

7:38 What like in the VASTLY superior Legends stories that bothered getting it right? Heavens forbid, we have to go down Filoni's shitty route. 🤣

I think the short format is good for Star Wars long term. Disney is not going to give talented young directors a movie or show runner role. But they might give young talent a short to produce. This is the minor leagues for the writers and directors and it’s where we’ll find the best chance to save Star Wars from the rot.

This shows suffers from an "emptiness" that permeates so many of Disney+ works.

Jedi “master” dooku