I'm always on the hunt for different perspectives and sometimes being brash can give people the push they need to give a nice dissertation.

o hey its u

jason todd so, J was wondering about if I should ask you a question... Where is your profile pic from? It does look fairly interesting!

Exactly my thought 😂😂😂😂

@@jasontodd2687 Question: Is that your actual name or do you just really like Red Hood?

hmmmmmmm

It’s got the same energy as “I’m not racist, but…”

@@MorbidMindedManiac sick videos fam

He us pretty good at satire

I was definitely racist around the time that I started watching Shaun's videos, not quite as much as the commenter but still pretty bad. Coming back a few years later I can easily say that this one in particular did a lot for me. It's easy to generalize qualities to groups when you don't interact with people from those groups and were never taught why differences between groups exist.

that's it, you're grounded

you should give it another try. even if you have strong biases that you want to hold onto, ask yourself "where did they come from?"

Quoting a single study is useless, especially a study that has been widely criticized by peers in the field. The problem is that race as we understand it is not a scientific concept, but a cultural one, and one which has only a passing relationship with actual heredity. If you're estimating intelligence differences between racial groups, you're necessarily comparing cultural groups and not biological ones - at least primarily.

Kim Jong Un Lol the bell curve. Fuck off already.

Kilo101 no kilo I am your mother!

Lol I'm south Korean. Born here in the states. Failed a grade in middle school. Barely passed high school. Never went to college. I'm pretty dumb lol. Got lucky though and now I run a shop that makes me some pretty good money. Go figure...

Well then, think again. It isn't really possible to "solve" issues in individual communities without addressing the larger social processes and structures that lead to and reproduce those issues in the first place. Like racial hierarchy, for instance. @@benji4177

The "wrongdoing" didn't end 10 generations ago. White supremacy is alive and well in the here and now. I'm a lot more concerned with addressing that concretely than I am with some ambiguous notion of "paying reparations". Short of abolishing oppressive social relations, what sort of payment could possibly be meaningful? And I have to admit that I'm not a fan of your proposed solutions, either. Job opportunities and improved educational resources may (or may not) improve the standing of some marginalized individuals, but if our aim is to end racism then those things miss the mark completely, I think. The volatility and uncertainty of self-reproduction and the class stratification engendered by capitalism can really only be solved by doing away with the system entirely. Even that doesn't guarantee that racism would be eradicated, but it's a necessary condition I think. And let's not forget that imperialism and colonialism factor into this as well. In a sense, I actually think native american reservations and poor black neighborhoods (for example) can be thought of as internal colonies. I can't really speak to the bit about education and race in the UK, but I wouldn't mind seeing some sources for it. @@benji4177

@@hook-line-and-anarchy4720 I believe in giving everyone equal opportunity to succeed, regardless of race. I don't deny that in certain impoverished communities (eg black and native american) there are undeniable issues in education ect. I think the lack of opportunities in these communities is why people turn to crime or alcoholism, i don't think this is from a systematic racsim , rather than a lack of resources. I'd be interested to hear how you would intend to " do away with the system" and what your stance is on far left extremism and communism which is running rampant on our college campuses.

I believe in abolishing "success", which also implies its necessary counterpart "failure". The issues in education are symptoms of the problem, but they are not themselves the root issue. To even be able to talk about lack of "opportunity", we have to take for granted that we live in a society where people are not in control of their own means of existence, where they must sell their lives and labor to others in order to reproduce themselves, and where "freedom" is measured primarily in terms of consumption of commodities, all regulated by a system of impersonal, arbitrary rules backed ultimately by the threat of physical violence. The issues plaguing communities of color are not isolated or coincidental. Neighborhood segregation, school segregation, the school-to-prison pipeline, double standards and discrimination in the so-called criminal justice system, environmental racism, just to name a few examples, are very much systemic. The historical functions of whiteness and racism under capitalism have been to ensure division in the working class, and the creation and maintenance of a secondary labor market constituted by workers with inferior protections and bargaining power, so that they can be worked harder and paid lower wages, etc. The criminalization of immigrants serves the same purpose. My stance on "far left extremism and communism which is running rampant on our college campuses" is that I sincerely wish it was actually true. I'm not especially interested in elaborating specifically on how capitalism might be done away with here on some youtube comment. I can recommend some books and readings if you're interested. @@benji4177

"Toxic" can be defined as "anything I don't like."

Zorro9129 no it really can’t. I don’t like Batman vs Superman, is it toxic. Toxic ideologies actively advocate or have the logical endpoint of causing harm to thousands or millions or people for the sake of imagined reward. Fundamentalist Islam is toxic. The alt-right is toxic. Toxic is defined.

@@adomaster123 Yet that is completely arbitrary based on ideology. I consider multiculturalism and so-called "diversity" toxic as it has caused harm to millions of Americans and Europeans. I consider Islam toxic but most Muslims do not and they consider it something that has benefitted millions rather than harmed them. Many progressives consider a stronger Christian traditionalism "toxic" yet do not comparatively view pro-Muslim politics and identitarianism as toxic. You can claim anything can cause harm to millions of people, like "toxic" video games. Logically backing that up is far harder.

Adomaster123 Logical endpoint in causing harm to millions? Problem is that even with such a definition it's still way to vague. The Haber-Bosch method of making ammonia for fertiliser feeds the world; and is key to making ammunition on industrial scale. So with scientific inventions you very often have both harm and good depending on use. Cannot the same be said of many ideological reasons and ideas? Take Shaun, this channel as an example; He's good at arguing points and may cause some good, at the same time he comes of as a prick and may very well reinforce anti feminism in people even shifting them into alt right. I know that's a stretch, but the reason I see the "anti SJW" gateway so appealing to many is because of 2 main reasons; 1) the conservative or even racist arguments make sense on a very basic straightforward level 2) you find so much shit on the left (that the main left doesn't seem to be able to properly distance themselves from, I'm left btw), that a reaction to this can lead you away from the more sensible left I confess, most times I see the word "toxic" it immediately leave a bad taste in my mouth. It's been overused and misused. I've then seen an article labelled "toxic masculinity" where I immediately thought "here we go again..." but I read the article and in that instance toxic masculinity actually made sense. Although, I think it would have been far more influential if they had not used that wording. It's like; is the point to reach those who already agree or those who didn't know, disagree, or had no stance? Drifting a bit here. But I hope you get my point.

@@JDahl-sj5lk I understand what you mean, but I think your opponent is right on this one. We all have different understanding of good and bad. To a religious person piety is good, spreading irreligiousness is bad, therefore anti-god debates are toxic. To a more left wing person organized religion is toxic, therefore getting rid of it is good. To a nazi guy multiculti is toxic as pureblood is good (talking about all nazis btw, not only white ones). Also, even things you consider good, could be bad for others. Like "anti-white" ideas like talking about horrors of colonialism may be considered morally good (which I think they are), but coming from a "brown" country I see that the effects of this is that people from my region start blaming literally everything on the West, rejecting everything from the West and refusing to improve. Personally I think that this enables toxic ideas in my region. So yeah, toxic is subjective, harm is subjective, and improvement in one place could lead to harm in the other

Lol while you might get told off for that, the worse thing is that there might be those that agree that approach you 😂

I just realized the same thing. I'm sitting at my desk at work and it made me laugh, especially being that I'm black in the first place 🤣🤣

ITS WORTH IT. Or just get youtube vanced and listen to the video rather than watching.

You have my deepest sympathies

@Air Show Well, Shaun DID warn you! It says on the thumbnail "Don't watch this one". But you just had to, didn't you? ;-)

finndino which one?

please do the effort and cite from the video. With timestamps and transkripts. I am genuinly curious how you get that impression

MeinNamemit20Zeichen I agree, I watched that video and failed to find the base for finndino's claims

pretty sure that is not a joke. And it is related to the points made in the video. Have you watched it?

So this is one side of the story. To be fair here he actually does say that the term is often used as a substitute for the buzzword "white genocide". However as you clarified yourself he never said that "white genocide" would be good not even jokingly. And I feel confident in the asumption that he would not say that, mostly because genocides of any a people are objectively terrible and also a very serious topic. However I think there is more to the whole case: The replacement theory predicts that white people will loose the status of majority in the relativey near future. Shaun does confront this idear with several major arguments: 1. "Not being the majority" and "being a minority" are two very different things. Just as "not being the majority" and "actually being oppressed" are two EXTREMELY different things. 2. The predictions for this replacement (not being a majority anymore!) settle on something like 50 -100 years in the future, which is not so imminent after all. 3. The idear that white people could actually die out is far more unlikely and would happen even later. Also and more importantly: It can only work under the current definition, which considers the child of e.g. one white and one black parent a black person even thou half their family is white - even when the parents are divorced and they had little to no contact with the black part of their family. 4. The idear that western or white culture goes away due to immigration is forgetting about how the immigrants can and will intergrate themself into the western countrys taking over and carrying on the predominant culture. (All while admittedly changing some parts of it. Culture is subject to constant change.) 5. And most importantly: All these idears only work under the asumption that one can predict the future by current trends, which is unreasonable. It is far more likely for the west to go down economically or the immigration stopping for some othe reason, before any kind of so called "replacement" can take place.

Absolutely. Further, imagine that America embraced Communism and everyone started on an equal footing, one could imagine the differences would vanish into history in one generation, but while neighborhoods, schools, services, social support and influences are entirely segregated, EVEN TODAY, forget about any argument of equality.

fuckfannyfiddlefart almost agree, but 1 generation is a bit overly optimistic. The physical, advantage of having had a better food supply in childhood, better environment as less violent and better education would still make a difference, but it would wear down on time

In the Netherlands weed is legal under the "gedoogbeleid" legislation that was pushed through in the 70s. During that period, poc remained vastly overepresented in both petty crime and felonies.

Yup

The only reason drugs were made illegal in the first place was to target specific ethnic groups. It's part of American history.

Hello Worf! I recognise you from Twitter. That is all

Yeah because you’ll just nod along like a slack-jawed moron in front of the corporate media tv.

From 1 to 100 so quickly

@@fulcrum2951 from 1 to 100 in more than a year lol

speech 100

As someone who was raised by coyotes, fuck you.

Lol

They've had it too good for too long

Ugh, coyotes 🙄 don’t get me started on those ankle biters 😜

TheOmegajuice so fucking true lmao. You need to look at the context, and even analyse if the stats are valid. This is why i get so annoyed by people saying “i dont look at the context etc. Thats just feelings over facts. I prefer to look at it face value, to see it as a fact”

Yeah, even in south florida the same shit happens.

Eh no, it can be de jure too, like property right laws and whatnot.

I used to live there, in baton rouge, and the public school population was like 95 percent black even though there were a decent amount of white folk, because all the white families would send their kids to fancy private schools with few black people. Im sure some of them just did it because the private schools were nice, and not due to racism, but the reason they are so much more appealling is certainly from a history of racisim and segregation. A few of them, if i remember right, were public but became private in order to self segregate after it became law to desegregate. That may be a bit inaccurate though, i havent lived there for several years.

Uh-oh. In the white world, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. It's this way in New England, too.

@@celticandpenobscot8658 It's this way even in my relatively-small city in the Midwest, too. Seems racial dynamics in the US maybe only vary (slightly) in degree of severity and not in their fundamental nature as you travel across the country.

Ditto

Now i want a testing environment with 2 identical societies except one has to drive drunk and the other sober - for scientific purposes

when people say "lies, damned lies, and statistics" this is the kind of statistics they're talking about

Yayep... skips over how little people drive drunk to begin with.

@@hendriktuerk9025 Could be Russia and most muslim countries.

Who in their right mind wants Rofl-los unbanned?

TheAlmonteFilms Ay how you doin brotha.

Good to see u here too fam

But can you do my video for free.

@@ripyungbruh8157 we can start the video once payment has been processed

great seeing you here man

people say it’s not debatable because they physically cannot think wider than their extremely narrow train of thought

@@clairofan01 well occasionally they're right. Like 'all the data over hundreds of years of study points to (insert fact here) this is undebatable, don't debate me.'

paintedjaguar That’s just a true statement, though. It’s not saying anything about teachers at poor schools, necessarily. Richer schools can offer higher wages for better teachers. Richer schools have better bussing. They have better food options. Better sports programs. Better after school activities. Better extracurricular academic groups. Better music programs. Better technology, more ability to prepare students for college, or trade schools. Better access to mental health resources. If you don’t think these things make receiving an education easier, I don’t know what you think contributes to learning.

paintedjaguar Also, it’s not that is proportional, necessarily, but that they are positively correlated. I’d imagined it’d be more logarithmic that linear, but that’s pure speculation.

what does science say? www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

​@@qatrecords7815 Really? You responded to a 3 year old comment just to post a study that has been heavily criticised and debunked? If you're just going to post a link without further explanation then let me do the same: www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Suzuki-Aronson-commentary-on-30years.pdf

Exactly why any kind of stereotype hurts everyone

Yeah, and there's also the fact that if you take the subset of Asians who are poorer on average (like some Southeast Asian countries) that difference disappears (or at least decreases).

Those examples he gave proved nothing to me other than the overwhelming impact of one's environment. The nature argument has always been bullshit.

IQ isn't an objective measure of intelligence, it's similar to an education test score and just as contextual.

“Hability?”

Furry Stalker Having greater height doesn't necessarily equate with excellence in a certain skill. Just as brain mass doesn't necessarily equate with being able to score high on a subjective test (I know someone who had a portion of their brain removed at 14 but still graduated college with honors). Like all things, those require work to develop. And if your environment doesn't allow you to put in that work, it isn't likely you'll excel at the thing in question.

Right on!

@alic seprin - Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm _preetty_ sure that if a woman and man have joint custody of a child the woman can't adopt them out without the consent of the man. Like, that would be really dumb, and sounds a lot like a contrived MRA talking point. Maybe she could because she had sole custody though, at which point context becomes very important - why does she have full custody and he has none? Again, it sounds like a really contrived point where "meninists" are pretending to whine about how they physically can't give birth for the sake of adopting out their children or something.

The issue is that people believe we live in a meritocratic system in which people are born with equal opportunities. So they assume that the economic struggles faced disproportionately by black folks in america are indicative of some internal failure or inferiority. Though many won't use those terms, that's almost certainly what they believe. So first off, people need to be convinced to look at the system of class and its many arms of oppression, how its affected our culture, and what outcomes it has for the "other." They need to be willing to accept that the system is flawed, and they might have found success and stability because of an unjust advantage. How do we convince them of that. And more importantly, once we do, how do we then convince them fight earnestly against it. Otherwise people will literally go on believing that the unequal conditions are the just outcome of meritocracy. I know it's fucked up. But I've heard some white people pretty soberly pretty much tell me that.

Nathan Reiber is time of my time of life with a great rest amp day

I tend to believe that equality is more so referring to the idea that all of our lives are equally valuable despite our differences, all of our different skillsets are equally important to society, and therefore, all of us should be given equal treatment under the law. I do believe that all people are equal in that all of us have the potential to achieve greatness and do great things. Sure, all of our skills are different, but they're all equally valuable to society. For example, I don't see a doctor's skillset as any more or less valuable than an artist, or a sports player. I don't see a scientist as more or less intelligent than a philosopher. There are different kinds of smarts, none are better or worse than the other.

Garrett Spencer Statistics only tells you what is happening and not the why or how.

@Garrett Spencer Compare classical Rome & Greece vs Germanic tribes before the Migration and get back to me.

Shaun is inspiring me to start making my own videos with a similar amount of nuance. He just does it so well, and clearly it plays well, that it's making me think there's actual room for nuance and patient argument on KZfaq after all.

Yeah, it's like when someone says to me "Black people are more likely to be criminals." and I say "Black people are more likely to be _arrested."_ and they can't fathom that I've said anything different. I remember when IMDb forums were still a thing, on the 11/22/63 board someone said "Good thing there's no racism anymore." Despite how it sounds they were apparently not being sarcastic, so I did a google search on studies for racial bias, and I brought out all of these links, and summerized them, including: whites are less likely to be arrested for marijuana possession, despite volunteering on surveys that they smoke just as much, if not more; the disproportionate targeting of minorities and poor neighborhoods over white rich neighborhoods, preventing a fair sample of each; and the fact that blacks are likely to get prison sentences that are three times longer than whites. Then someone reading the summaries in the thread said "When!? Now!? Or 1963?" They couldn't fathom the possibility that things could still be this bad, regarding racial inequality in America, and it turns out I had just taught somebody something. Not the person I was talking to, but someone reading in. I wish'ed he'd read the evidence I presented, and not just the summaries, but the information got through. So, while this *is* largely preaching to the choir, to the uninitiated but curious, or the... "open minded" racist... (never thought I'd say that) rebuttals like this are extremely valuable, because anybody intelligent enough to listen to the facts is likely to see them for what they are. It can be an antidote to the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I find that a funny term. "Open minded racist". Not because I think it's impossible, but because I've met people like that and the overwhelming majority of the time they wound up that way because of sensationalism. Racist arguments are much snappier and have much more punch, and are thus far more visible, than reasonable well thought out arguments to the contrary. So oftentimes they just flat out never see the real data unless you practically shove their faces in it. (Hopefully in a polite, respectful manner, but... y'know.) Which does mean I'm kind of bothered when people say something to the effect of "all racists are horrible irredeemable people that need to be locked up" and get mad when I say "actually you're wrong, and we should try to be understanding and help to educate them because using aggressive rhetoric saying they should be locked up because they were never taught the facts will only further push them away and create more racists over-all." Tl;dr: sometimes I ramble for no real reason. Have a good one.

@@futurestoryteller yeah, the same thing happens to me. they think that i'm just using wordplay to sugar coat their "hard and accurate stats". they don't understand, or refuse to believe in the systematic racism that exists against minority groups in America

See Innuendo Studios: Never Play Defense.

I showed shaun native American genocide video to one of my acquaintances who watches stefan molyneux and Paul Joseph Watson. He didn't even last 5 minutes before calling shaun pedantic soyboy and rage quitting.

Flower Fiore believe me, we’re all asking those same questions ourselves...

Davionne Clinton ??? ???? Huh?????

Hello fellow Italian

I can understand when a liberal doesnt like Hillary, but to completely flip over to Trump is beyond human comprehension.

Yeah but Trump was still better than Clinton, no doubt about that

OMG it's not Social Justice? I feel silly now haha

Just show them a stitistics about men vs women crimes.. that usually d3stroys thier argument

@@crazy9932 naaah, I've seen idiot arguing that it's good, because men are more "risk taking" therefore they make "better leaders but also more criminals"

@@pinkabstractions1752 right, it's just some thing they pull out of thier asses. But yeah I get what ur saying, I guess in the end just bring up more facts against them. Lol

​@@pinkabstractions1752 I mean testosterone and risk taking are closely related. For things like risking the consequences of pregnancy with unprotected sex, men are always going to more willing than women.

The same here, check a fool called Simon Webbs channel called history debunked. That's all he ever talks about.

The military version of that is: "Just because you're in charge doesn't mean you have to be an asshole."

@@qbertq1 A lot of chefs need to learn that shit too. Many people got into it after Gordon Ramsey got popular for being a douche it seems.

This kind of breakdown gives me LIFE

Well, unfortunately, his research is often superficial, but yes, the debate is simply marvellous most of the time.

the average iq of all east asians is around 105, average of American blacks is 85. Even with no immigration restrictions there would still be a large gap.

@@universome511 context is important. IQ is inherently flawed as well.

@@maxcarren112 how so

@Meme master64 it's called an IQ test. It measures your IQ. what you mean is to say that IQ is not a perfect proxy for the general intelligence factor.

@Meme master64 there are many factors that effect intelligence. And several twin studies indicate that DNA can account for round 70 percent of the gap.

Im here one year later doing the same

Yup, treating everyone equally requires treating everyone differently because nobody is the same.

Well said!

No rinse and repeat for 1000s of years and you have isolated races that go through different things ending up different

Isn't it just the best? I'm trying to convince Shaun to start a podcast where just talks about ... everything. I just love the the reasonable, methodical approach combined with the delicious sarcasm. Every vid now could be described as "listen while Shaun patiently and wryly explains why so-and-so is an idiot."

It really is. It's so relaxing and peaceful.

I agree. That's also a problem with affirmative action.

But what about poor Koreans? Do they do better than poor Cambodians?

@@a.brekkan4965 probably

its unfortunate that the ignorant motherfuckers who really think Asians are genetically more intelligent will never educate themselves at all. racist fuckers should die already

Autumn B Mild racists are often just ignorant. We should at least try to educate them before outright murdering them. I understand that you are just trying to express your sentiment.

Thue Morse I suppose that can be true actually if you'er talking about "mild" racism where they generally and vaguely think white people are better than black people. But I still feel that's a sort of excuse. In the age of the internet there's no reason for being ignorant. Especially racists that spend all their time researching things around race. They pick the information that suits them and purposely ignore the ones that don't fit their position. They want white people to be superior because they like the idea of it not just because they're ignorant. So if you present them with evidence that says otherwise, they'll reject it and continue being "ignorant''. I don't call that ignorance I call that bias. If it's any kind of ignorance it's a willful one, not a genuine ignorance Also you don't have to worry about racists being murdered. That won't happen

Thue Morse It depends on the issue though. When it comes to white and black americans that come to Korea looking to score and end up raping people, those guys can go die. It happens more than anyone wants to believe around the military bases, but that way of thinking is certainly not contained within Korea only.

BlackBlaze, about "no excuse in the internet age for being ignorant." well, if you have a tool, but you 1) don't know you have that tool, or 2) don't know how to use that tool or 3) don't know how to go find out how to use that tool. or 4) don't know what value there is in finding out how to go about learning how to use that tool.... those people are not not "slacking off". it's just that they are victims of poor methodologies, and the more we can enlighten, the better. These people are like fully functioning car engines without an ignition switch. it's not the car's fault for not having an ignition switch, but those of us who are mechanics can slowly but surely do something to correct that problem so the car get get itself running again.

Evangelical much?

fuckfannyfiddlefart More like just a person. Not everything in life is a false dichotomy and the strawmen you put up.

@@fuckfannyfiddlefart - No, you just don't have to be an asshole to be an atheist. It's not a prerequisite.

to be fair I actually like him and agree with him on most things

@@KingBobXVI Considering the way atheists behave on the internet and specifically on KZfaq, you might get the impression that it is actually required to be an asshole.

Don’t tell race realist or white supremacist that

Nigerians are the biggest black ethnicity. White supremacists: *panic*

Racist arguments??? Lmao

@@LukasOfTheLight how can an argument be racist

@@LukasOfTheLight lol

Spoiler: the criminal justice system of the United States is racist

“Blacks” makes me a little apprehensive, but “the blacks” is where the warning lights really start flashing

@@tyyer Oh totally

What's wrong with the blacks?

@@rickrolld1367 It just sounds so wrong and usually the people who use it aren’t the most progressive of people.

@@michael.471 lmao

Probably make the same points he already did with the Asian example: that what we're seeing is because of socioeconomic circumstances and not because of biological race. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Imagine a parallel universe where everyone lived in an equal society and then "Okay guys this time we're going to try it again WITH a history of racial oppression!"

Can you suggest more channels like this to me? Besides the obvious Hbomberguy's and ShoeOnHead's

@@TheTheThe_ dont want to dead post but if you're still looking contrapoints and philosophy tube are pretty great

Maybe mild pedophilia is when someone has sexual fantasies about children but doesn't touch them?

@@WickedNPC You can even argue "mild" pedophilia is just watching child porn since technically he's only watching it, and not doing it but it's already inherently harmful, and should be condemned. No matter technically "mild" it is or at least what I think.

You could argue that, but I wouldn't agree. If you take the step from having sexual fantasies to actively seeking out child pornography that features actual children being abused, you take the step from being blameless to doing something immoral and hurtful. While it is possible to say that watching child porn is milder than molesting children personally, I couldn't call it mild.

@@mr.richardfiddler6328 idk why people bring up age of consent laws when laws=/=morals, just because some things are legal it doesn't make it right. People who act "retarded" towards pedophilia because it's universally disgusting and harmful. And they can potentially cause and have caused permanent damage for a lot of people. However, I do agree that "non-offending" pedos should seek treatment because it's a type of paraphilia and paraphilias are treatable.