tf2 has gotten a lot of weapons that are just like "wow wouldn't it be cool if they had this?" followed by intense controversy because it is cool but sucks to play against

i cant believe they finally made a tf2 youtuber that is funny

20:52 who's going to tell him that because of source spaghetti, the loose canon's projectiles are actually slower

I think the definitive argument of "balanced by execution" in TF2 is The Sniper. And I think it's wrong.

I'd like if the Sniper backpacks operated closer to the Soldier banners. Like if you had to withstand a certain amount of damage to activate some buffs, or do a certain amount of headshot damage for certain effects, yknow stuff like that. The buffs can be stronger than they currently are, but on a timer, just like the banners. That would be more fun, and would force the sniper player to be more active or hang around his team more if the effects are AOE

Aside from the knockback, the Loch n Load is pretty much the equivalent. Plus the 20% projectile compensate for how the Loose Cannon flies in the air. You would be surprised that actually not that fact and bit slower than Stock, barely reaching the same distance while flopping to the ground.

This mans writing and delivery tickles my ADHD brain with glee and I enjoy it.

You deserve so much more subscribers. The writing of your videos is absolutely INCREDIBLE.

Sniper backpacks should have activated effects like the soldier back packs imo. Adds potential for sniper to become more of a 'front line' class, allowing for a different play style to sniper

The Loose Cannon's bonus 20% projectile speed is actually there to compensate for the simulated air drag of the cannon balls. It ultimately comes out to the same speed as stock while also being shorter range than stock due to the faster fuse time.

If this ends up becoming an SF6 channel, I'm all for it.

Oh, a fellow FGC TF2 enjoyer, love to see a clean SF combo in a well made TF2 video! Great job brotha😊

I feel like even the gunboats provide something interesting because it improves a skill that soldier already has, which is rocket jumping. Sure, there’s no skill in using the gunboats by itself, but it provides more layers to what the soldier can do, opened up by being able to rocket jump more. It’s also interesting because soldier gets a lot of use from his secondaries, so not having a secondary weapon provides counterplay that enemies can take advantage of.

one of my favourite topics when counterplay discussion comes up is the stock launcher vs the iron bomber.

your style and editing is really good, maybe don't limit yourself to just tf2 bc you're entertaining regardless of the topic

The cost of shields is: no smg. When having a backpack equipped, you are less venerable to whatever that backpack is specially for, but you lose the versatility of having a quick projectile.

tbh loose cannon is in my opinion good design weapon, it has a counter play which is getting closer to the demoman, to deal some meaningful damage he needs to charge the cannonball, making his rate of fire horrible, giving him 1 shot to save him self sometimes two, its much more interactive and counterable (if that's even a word) then normal pipes, it a high risk high reward weapon

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Excellent video as always! The editing, humor, and script are top-notch! Even though I love your tf2 stuff, I'm all for you branching out and I can't wait to see what topics you discuss next. After all, in my opinion, the best videos come from youtubers talking about what they want to, not what they think their audience wants to see. With this video quality, you'll hit 10k in no time👍

I like where your head is at with this argument, but I disagree with using the Loose Cannon as an example. While yes, if he times and lands his shot properly, you will be knocked back and double-donked, the counterplay interaction that comes into play when you fight a Loose Cannon Demo is BEFORE he fires his shot, and it's actually an increased vulnerability from what the stock grenade launcher has. That counterplay interaction is *_not engaging the demo at mid range._* The Loose Cannon's range is shorter than Stock, making him vulnerable to enemies that are farther away. Situations where you might be able to corner peak while firing off long-range pipes at a 45° angle are no longer an option, as the projectile will explode well before it hits the target on the other side of its arc path. On the other side of things, at extremely close range, the Demo has to take more time to charge up his shot (while tracking you) if he wants to land a lethal blow. Scouts are already a difficult matchup for Demo, but equipping the Loose Cannon takes away his ability to hit a point blank flick pipe for 100 damage. On top of that, the Demo having to track while charging up a point blank cannonball makes erratic movement very effective. It essentially heightens the level of skill needed to fight someone who is in his face. It significantly increases the threat level of any class you're fighting in close quarters, especially Scouts. Another thing I should add is that the stock grenade launcher does CC enemies if you aim at their feet, popping them into the air and making a follow-up pipe easier to land. Sure, that's a skill-based mechanic, but so is landing double donks. Basically, the Loose Cannon _is_ something you interact with and it _does_ have counterplay. Sure, it lowers counterplay at mid range by making the projectile faster and giving it huge burst potential, but it compensates for that by increasing counterplay at long and very short range, where the weapon's effectiveness is either weakened or completely nullified.

Except wrong Loose cannon is if not doen grade , the fastest travel speed end up slower due to physical calculations and the hitbox is smaller in fact while proactively large when contact with map geometry , also has shorter effective range and lower dps slower reload speed too . If those weren't enough you can stay far since it has damage fall off unlike other grenade , btw argumented hp point make it awkward (solider 200 / overheal in general) , wost of all time crouch so you surf away from donk could ever happening!!!

Those are some really great points! Also, thank you for including gameplay of Factorio in that small window!

I don't have pepper spray... But I have a Kunai!!! :D

I couldn't pay attention to a single thing you said, I just kept focusing on Cami's thighs

The Nyet 3 gameplay in the corner was a huge help. Thanks man.

I have some dissagreement with the razorback being COMPLETELY useless. If the sniper is within range of a sentry, or turns around between gunshots and random crits you, you are boned, and extending spies window of vulnerability from a few seconds go get in, stab, and get out to get in, shoot 2-4 times, get out, makes the spy much easier to notice and kill. Great video, keep up the good work

You’re killing it with the thumbnails tbh I’ve never seen anything like them, great video btw!

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i never saw the patreon content on bareback streets! thanks!

This was a great video

Just watched the rest of the vid. Absolutely amazing. Dragon punch still confuses me but very good vid!

not paying attention to the mini footage and then looking at it every 5 mins is wack.

I love your sense of humor so much

What option goes through everything in SF4? If you mean DP xx FADC forward, you can just backdash it on the opponents wakeup, and it's negative on block in the latest balance patch. If you mean DP XX FADC backward, you can still make the initial FADC whiff with a backdash on their wakeup. If you mean backdash, it's both option selectable and reactable. If you mean delay crouch tech, that not only had it's own version in SFV, it got blown up by everyone with a hopkick. (Though, the SFV version where you jump back before inputting throw did eventually get patched out.)

Oh, I very strongly believe that anti headshot sandwitch should not only be in game, but be all class

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14:14 seals, sea puppies even :)

out of all the years of watching tf2bers, im enjoying this man the most by a mile

yoo tf2 and street fighter thats like a weird fever dream but i like it

Thank you for talking about my favorite digital fashion show

Love seeing a fighting game featured in a video

22:15 that sniper kill on the pyro was so dirty XD

great video

I believe you are wrong about the loose cannon. It's counterplay is that of another demo weapon, the Scottish resistance. They both excel when you are prepared, like being at optimal donking distance or having all stickies laid down, but they are very weak when you are caught with your pants down, like being rushed with either weapon. A double donk on a close range, constantly moving target is as hard as its pipe counterpart and the loose cannon has limited range. Not only that, but a double needs time to charge(especially at close range) so enemies can rush you before you can output enough damage or donk them.

2:43 LMAO, nearly did a spit-take after hearing that one

Since you didn't suggest anything, and since I'm studying to balance games professionally, lemme take a crack at revamping those backpacks: Camper - Keep it the same. As you said, it's inoffensive. Darwin's - Increased base movement speed, and less movement penalty while scoping/drawing an arrow. Helpful for Sniper duels. Razorback - General damage resistance, except against crits. Something to help out aggressive Huntsman snipers.

Fun fact the loose cannon’s projectile is actually 15% slower due to how the source engine does physics, so the stats are actually wrong

3:49 I see what you did with that joke, a good one well played.

One thing to note is that Razorback makes Sniper near invincible to spy when he's parked near a good teammate or a level 3 sentry.

It was interesting to hear your opinions on the loose cannon. As someone who rarely played demoman I held almost the same opinion but with even more of me not knowing why I died. After trying it out I really clicked with the wildcard potential it holds. It is really hard to be consistent with it due to having to factor another element other than just point and click and the less dmg potential if you dont hit the donks. But it can also be insanely powerful gaining you kills that you couldn't be able to get using stock. You can even semi consistently stuff ubers by knocking back the medic or recipient of the uber. But now when I die to a loose cannon I know that I can respect the hustle and the dedication to a weapon that will screw you over. PS. I advocate for consent. No means no folks!

i will never stop loving my beloved loose cannon

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Kaluka's every video is like a fool's april

I fucking love the cozy camper. That health regen when playing huntsman sniper is so nice to have

this video was a fever dream

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My favorite part of the video is when _cza found a postal pummeller

The razorback can actually be actively used and create an interesting counter play. I have seen snipers fight spys at close range with their melee out forcing the spy to back up to have an easier time shooting them or pull out their knife to get a few butter knifes in. However with the right timing the sniper turns around tricking the spy into back stabbing them leaving them vulnerable. It's rare to see but when you do it's hella flashy and impressive to watch.

I am obsessed with this dry, “I personally hate you, the viewer” energy

On sniper flinches, a good bit of counterplay for the sniper is to shoot between flinches, because your aim has enough time to fully reset in between ticks of damage over time. I've caught out pyros while burning before because they thought they were safe to pepper flares while doing nothing to dodge.

Love seein another street fighter / tf2 fan lol. Good video

11:40 bro its valentines day what a great video to watch today with that in here lol

I think a cool idea to rework a backpack would be something that when fully charged and unmoving for 5 seconds you become cloaked for 5 seconds

Thanks

God i'm glad Splitgate got talked about in a video essay. It's underrated as heck so seeing it in non-specific media is always nice.

the experience of watching this video was similar to listening to a podcast while drifting in and out of sleep

When you mentioned that maybe it should be a resource that you can fail at and takes skill, There's already an item for that, in the same slot. and works against the same 2 classes effectively as well as the other 7 pretty well. That's the Jarate. (also combined with the Bushwacka its just amazing btw)

Excellent video, I subscribed. What’s your opinion on the sniper rifle then? It seems a bit like you dodged that question through the whole video.

To be entirely fair with the Loose Cannon: You can still *miss*. A good Scout is still not gonna get hit. A soldier taking the aggressive route and jumping in from a blind spot to counter the Demo's aim is not gonna get hit. A heavy/medic combo can deal with basically anyone easily, uber or no uber. The counterplay there still exists, and the Cannon still takes skill to use.

I like how at 11:56 the gameplay in the corner turns to the gameplay in the video

Self-aware but not in a weird cringey way, I love it

Loose cannon can also throw a heavy even while spun up and ubered directly backwards to the skybox on spam because it has a low fuse unlike the old version.

Counterpoint for the razorback: it's only poorly designed for back-line snipers. On huntsman snipers, it creates just enough of a disruption for a spy that he needs to more meaningfully pick his backstab targets rather than getting one and suddenly having full speed/health-boosted power to trickstab the entire team. All this at the cost of genuinely useful secondary that would make finishing off low-health enemies much easier. I compare it to the huo long heater in that it covers the areas you can't always be watching, but doesn't completely shut down a spy's effectiveness. (Since sniper isn't exactly the most effective at close range without his jarate)

The thing that sucks about the razorback is that it removes the one downside of sloppily playing sniper, which is a competent spy. and if you have a second sniper in the nest with you, and you both have the razorback, all you have to do is hear the spy shooting at one of you, and turn around to kukuri or SMG them to death. If they're not using the ambassador or enforcer, they're likely not even going to kill you, because you'll shred them.

Honestly as someone who uses the scorch sometimes I would honestly say it isnt overpowered by definition, but rather just terribly flawed in design. Is it REALLY powerful and easy to use/spam? Yes. But so are a lot of other weapons and entire weapon groups for classes. And I do think said other weapons desperately need change too if a more balanced tf2 was desired. I feel like the most prominent issue is just that it's not fun to deal with. Having to get a friendly pyro or medic up your ass to counter afterburn or scrambling for health kits for being near a corner the scorch pyro was looking at isn't fun and gets extremely annoying, for little effort on the pyro's part. The only real problem it presents in balance is that it makes the phlog's normal risk of use way lower since it's mmph can be obtained a lot more effortlessly. Conversely, the scorch also works extremely well - especially with the phlog - to counter another agreeably badly designed weapon, the Vaccinator. Afterburn weakens the shields it can make, so by effortlessly keeping that medic and his patients on fire pyro can directly counter the unfair edge that it can often lead to, even further with the phlog since he can farm mmmph off it and actually see some boost from the crits due to weakening the shields, if the medic can even react quickly enough. It's like using one "overpowered" weapon to counter another. From a vacuum standpoint neither are really "overpowered" due to having very present counterplay, but at the same time that counterplay is extremely uncommon in casual, tf2's undoubtedly main mode. So because of that, they too often do feel overpowered, because they just aren't well fitted to the casual setting.

I think that the cozy camper is a very fun weapon because it allows you to be more agressive and have to retreat less. Using it with the huntsman is especially fun because huntsman sniper stays near the front lines most of the time and if you happen to get hit with a splash rocket or something then you normally would have to retreat and get a health pack or risk dying to some more light splash damage, but with passive healing you can decide to risk it and stay on the front lines and get your health back over a small but not instant period of time. Deciding to do that instead of running away means that you can keep fighting for longer, but it also is a big risk because you can die much easier. I play with it in a way that is more fun than stock sniper, and I think it's more fun to fight an agressive sniper who takes risks that a sniper who has to run away every time they take 15 chip damage. So even though it's a passive ability, it still has a big impact on my gameplay. I agree with most of the points in this video though. I think that the other backpacks suck as weapons because they don't really allow you to make different decisions than you would normally.

just found your channel and i rly like your tf2 video but street fighter or any other fg would be awesome to see

New TF2 youtuber that is actually quite funny? Im in

There's also the behind-the scenes counterplay between medics on opposite teams, of which Medigun to use. Big brain stuff But yeah I think the devs aren't as concerned with balancing weapons against the enemy interaction any more per se, but against that character's own other weapons these days.

14:40 I want that sandvich to be real, just make it heal less to balance it.

15:05 Apparently I was watching a glimpse into the upcoming TF2 update.

5:35 holy crap that demoman got headshot through somebody

You disrespected me and my Hale’s own razor back

Halo Peakfinite mentioned. Subscribed.

8:20 Every copy of Kakula 64 is personalized.

3:51 nice broom, it looks a lot like a gun though

Another weakness about the phlog; it's completely countered by the battalion's backup

The loose cannon is loose consents when it comes to gameplay

I appreciate the use of splitgate the superior halo infinite

Street Fighter and TF2? What is this, a cross over episode! No, but forreal, good work

fun fact razorback blocks holiday punchs back stab thingy

The razorback prevents you from being instakilled which, if youre next to your teammates, prevents you from even becoming the target because the spy would die before hed be able to gun you down. But yeah youre right that would only happen like when youre pushing a choke point which never happens in tf2... Oh wait

awesome vid. You use a lot of footage from Borneo. I think this is one of the games best maps. Do you have any critiques or praise of it? You seem pretty knowledge on game design and I would love to hear your thoughts on this map.

19:50 I don't agree with most of this section. Focusing solely on the potential damage per shot is ignoring most of the vulnerabilities the LC has. First I'll mention that in practice the Loose Cannon doesn't actually have a 20% faster projectile speed. TF2 calculates air physics, and since the LC bombs have a much larger model they experience more drag. At the distances where the projectile speed would actually matter it isn't getting there much faster than stock. Now for everything else, the LC doesn't just have to time shots, it has to *delay* shots. Sacrificing a half-second before you can fire at mid-range is a significant delay, and the closer the enemy gets the more time you have to spend charging. Spending .9 seconds charging to fire a single decently damaging projectile is far too slow to adequately defend yourself, and gives more than enough time for any close-range ambush (sans Heavy) to rip you to shreds. Thanks to this, any Soldiers, Demomen, Scouts, or Pyros who notice you have the LC can choose to ambush you much more recklessly, since when using the LC you struggle to deal good damage in close range. This is where the knockback would come into play, since when you get ambushed at close range you can at least move them into your comfort zone. However, you still take significant damage before you can knock them away, in enclosed spaces you can't push them far enough away to adequately protect yourself, and knocking an enemy away allows them to disengage before you can fire a follow-up shot. This is especially bad since the other options Demo has aren't that great for close range either. The Stickybombs suck in close range, the shields can't do decent damage in close range, and the melee options rely on the shields to do anything at all. Charging away to safety is the only non-LC option Demoman really has when using the LC, and that requires sacrificing your stickybomb launchers. The charge delay isn't only bad for close range fights, either. It also forces you to spend time charging shots that other grenade launchers would just spend firing. Increasing your fire delay by upwards of .3s reduces your damage output significantly, and against anything that isn't a light class the damage bonus isn't worth the loss of fire rate. Any full-health class with 150 health and above takes the same number of bombs to kill, and any damaged class with more than 131 health still takes 2 shots. This makes the Loose Cannon worse against Soldier, Pyro, Demoman, and especially Heavy. The knockback is a double-edged sword as well. It's great for pushing enemies out of position and stuffing Ubers, but it also moves enemies out of your effective range. Landing a bomb or possibly double-donk can make it difficult to land follow-up shots, which makes it much easier for enemies to retreat or pester you from outside your effective range. Soldiers and Heavies in particular like this, since they can survive a double-donk and proceed to punish you for hitting them. Heavies can also use this opportunity to retreat, since Heavies caught out of position often have to stand their ground and die, something they may not have to do against the Loose Cannon. TL;DR, the Loose Cannon has very powerful traits that make it a valuable tool, especially in a more supportive role. However, the dramatic reduction in fire rate, potentially significant delay before you can fire a powerful double-donk, and knockback mechanics give the Loose Cannon a number of vulnerabilities unique to this weapon that enemies can exploit to gain the upper hand. In particular, approaching a LC Demoman becomes a viable way to win interactions, since the closer an enemy gets the slower and more unwieldy the Loose Cannon becomes.

I didnt read the title i just see tf2 video and watch it, i wish wed get an update

3:50 we all just ignoring the AK-47? Yeah? Ok, just checking...

Perhaps the backpacks should modify your rifles with some sort unique boon. Like explosive headshots or less primary damage but extra damage on charged shots etc

Loose Cannon doesn't have a faster rocket speed lmfao. It's way slower. Problem is Valve just added it so it would seem better than it already is. On release the projectile speed was 50% faster. Now that was way faster than normal pills. Then they nerfed the speed by 30% and its now slower than normal pills.

I feel like the sniper rifles have this problem. Interactions with snipers are extremely onesided and unfun for the person in the sightline, and dying to a good sniper is way more infuriating than dying to a good

something something the loose cannon projectile is actually very slightly slower than stock because of aerodynamics and the shape of the cannonball