I've heard that in the original script, humans were used for computation not power. The people making the movie were worried that the audience wouldn't understand so they changed it.

Someone else once pointed out years ago in an animation that if the machines wanted batteries they'd have used something simpler and more docile: they'd put cows in a mootrix.

This theory draws me back to another theory - that “the real world” is just another simulation, and that no one really truly escapes - they just go to a different “layer” or “simulation.”

The fact this movie/franchise is over 20 years old and still has this much subject material. Amazing really

The machines using us for emotional power means that pretty much the worst suffering some people go through inside the matrix, being grief, shock, traumas... are caused by the machines so they can check boxes in their datasheets. That truly is terrifying.

The human emotion theory would also explain why the Architect said when humans were given a eutopia where everything was perfect, entire crops (of humans) were lost. The system couldn't sustain itself.

I’m not sure what’s more impressive, the Matrix still creating thought provoking ideas so many years later, or your ability to find them and express them so well!!! I gotta say it’s a brilliant point, using humans for merely our heat is a gross misuse of our brains unique capacity for calculation and perhaps for creativity, which machines may lack?? Great vid thanks.

It's been confirmed that originally they intended for the robots to use humans for computational power, but it was decided against it because the thought the audience at-large would not understand it, so they went with "batteries" instead

I remember in Goliath, humans were used to solve a problem: destroy an alien spaceship. There may be a limit in machine problem solving as they can solve within what they can do, whereas humans have the capacity to think outside of the box and produce unique solutions and non-sequential trial and error that may take too long or complex for machines to compute.

This notion wouldn't be so terrifying if this weren't actually happening in real life! We are currently being data mined to the core! I believe this is because we don't know the power we carry, the power to create out of novelty. No machine can replicate our abilities, but .

If Zion is destroyed 6 times then this sounds more like a virtual construct rather than an actual city - you don’t build an exact replica of a city under ground with exactly the same name. You ‘reboot’ software, you don’t reboot actual cities and then populate it. This means that it’s just another layer which would explain how Neo was able to use his ‘mind’ outside the Matrix to disable the ‘squid’

This is reminding me of a Star Trek: Enterprise episode, the one with the automated repair station that was using captured humans (while send in a replicated clone of Mayweather to die so the crew would think he actually died) so it could harness their neural processing power (with the side effect that after awhile they’d simply be kept alive and no longer cognitive, and not able to be disconnected). AI using humans to power their own progress. It makes sense. With other tech like Neuralink being developed, it really makes me wonder what the endgame truly is now.

Matrix 1 and Animatrix are straight up masterpieces!!! Even feels like a real glimpse to the future we managed to see in the past!

This is the very argument I've been having with my brother since the original Matrix movie. The machines need us, without our input they would have no real purpose. Just as we can not escape our reality, neither can they.

Yes 100% it makes sense that it needs humans to continue training. It really brings all the "One" together. Your channel has helped me to understand the latest Matrix movie more too. It wasnt what I expected, but I liked it. But there are still many layers to unpack. I wonder if there will ever be more.

Very very thoughtful. I can see this particular paradigm in certain social media platforms. The worse we treat you the more energy we capture. It's pretty brilliant really.

I've always wondered if the machines put the replicators in the sky. The replicators draw the energy from the earth through lightning and aurorus, and then feed it back to City 01.

If I understood correctly: this video explains that in The Matrix franchise people are used not as energy but emotional batteries?

I love this video, most of the things you said are true to me. I want to add a little extra of what The Matrix goal is. This is presented in the last song: Neodammerung. Precisely, as You told in this video, machines needs to collect human experiences and then upgrade the system. The myth of the One is created to let the Architect collect all the data and upgrade himself, even if its human form is unaware of the task/function (Neo). Neo has to choose, at the final stage, to let everything behind him and join back machines as a software, this would fight back to his first beliefs about choice and determinism. The real choice wasn't meant to be the one that Neo made in the room, that was pre-determined as The Merovingian told. The real choice was to become a machine himself accepting the endline by Smith (If you programmed Pascal or C you should remember that). When Neo makes the choice Smith notices that switch and becomes scared, his long time enemy acts like a machine, he becomes the mirror of Smith. This is why Neo doesn't die touching machines and have the ability to keep connected to the Matrix, Neo is a software and his body is only a shell. At the moment of choice Neo transitions back to a program, feeling cold during the process. Many programs, including the Analyst, are unaware of this crafted process. The purpose of the Matrix is to become a farm to evolve both species. Machines needs human and humans need to evolve themselves (like in the episode Matriculated, when a machine joins humans). Machines, at their core, don't want to delete their creators, they simply can't, because there's also a form of strong respect for their father figures.

I've been theorizing this for a while, even without knowledge of A.I. model collapse. I knew you'd come to the same conclusion eventually and would explain it better than I could.

I was always convinced that the matrix exists to have humans learn and mature so that one day when they come out they will have evolved mentally ... There is no real reason for the machines to keep humanity alive besides their subconscious wish to be accepted by their creators for what and who they are... in the third and last matrix movie you can see it in the childlike appeareance and behaviour of the machine deus ex machina...

Great video, fully agree with your theory in this video. I always like to watch because I can apply the ideas from your videos and The Matrix films to real life.

Missed the end on the OP. Glad to see it here now. Good video as usual.

Great video as always! There is a very similar concept in the great Hyperion Cantos by Dan Simmons concerning this idea and human-AI interaction in general, without wanting to spoil too much here. I wouldn't exclude the possibility that some inspirations might have been drawn for the Matrix movie, but that is of course just a guess 😊

This theory is canon to me. Makes so much more sense.

Thanks for an even more hellish interpretation of this nightmare. Let's see how deep the rabbit hole really goes...

Rage Against the Machine's verse "who controls the past now controls the future, who controls the present now controls the past" And like morpheus said to neo "go back to sleep and believe whatever you want to believe". The machines are in control

Oiiii!! One of my favourite interpretations yet. Good stuff.

I always felt that the humans for power explanation was weak but human brain for computation or training model makes way more sense.

I like this theory because of the obvious parallels with the real world, however, another possibility could be that the deep logical structure of the Matrix is functioning as a computational system, with humans as the processor. The processes of the superintelligences would be encoded to be invisible to the experiencers of the Matrix reality. Likewise, the code for Matrix reality could have a dual encoding: one for the representation of the Matrix reality, and one for the various processes of the superintelligence. Or perhaps they could be rendered as abstract experiences, like heat and cold. Or cycle between active and non-active processing states, like day and night.

These videos are amazing, dont stop!

Dan Simmons wrote about AI using humans for their computational processes in his novel Hyperion some 30 years ago. If you like the Matrix, you'd like Hyperion and it's sequels The Fall of Hyperion, Endymion, and The Rise of Endymion.

This brings up interesting implications for the earlier forms of the matrix. One was a paradise, and supposedly we rejected it. But it's entirely possible we just didn't generate enough processing power in that environment. Then they made a nightmare matrix, and that seems to have gone too far in the other direction. Again, we can assume it wasn't efficient enough because the humans either didn't have a chance to form complex relationships and emotions, or they didn't survive long enough.

There’s always something new to learn here. Been a fan and follower for years. Keep up the great analyses

The real reason for The Matrix... The movie was made to put an important thought in your consciousness. They wanted you to come to a disturbing conclusion on your own... Corporations (the machines) pay you a pitiful sum to compel you to convert your entire life into wealth that they can steal. In this sense, you are a battery and they have harvested your life and mind to serve their interests. The corporations have built governments, laws, and an entire global economy where you have to play their game by their rules. Your life and your thoughts are used to make the corporation richer and more powerful. They only pay you enough to come back tomorrow and do it all over again. If they paid you more, you might escape the Matrix and find a way to live your life as a free person. Almost everyone in the world has become a wage slave for the corporations. If you were paid based on your productivity, the system would collapse immediately. The corporations and the super-rich, who live their lives as corporations, have excused themselves from all tax laws. You are required to pay the taxes for them. If the people (the wage slaves) ever realize that they can fight back, the corporations will be destroyed. In the past, the people understood that their second job was pushing back against the unlimited demands of the corporations. We used to form unions and go on strike to demand our fair share of the gross income of the corporation. Now, people are too frightened to risk their tiny shrinking paychecks. If you have been sucked into the debt cycle (college loan, car loan, home loan...) you can't rock the boat; If you lose your terrible job, you could lose everything. This pressure was not accidental. It's the trap. They control us through debt and steal the value of our time and intelligence. They steal your entire life and you are still proud to have a good job and work hard. In the same way, they control the 3rd world through debt and steal their natural resources. We could all decide to stop playing this game. Take the Red Pill and free yourself, but be warned... Once you know the truth and become a threat, the corporations will put your name on a list and you will never work again. Technology has made it possible to destroy all dissent. So, fight the power, but remember to wear a mask.

This channel is freaking awesome!

Yeah, I was waiting for them to find Eden on the surface. Turns out rich people still live good on the surface, the rich run the machines, and this was the final solution to create their eugenic world...

Impressive analysis! This makes sense especially considering the premise of the last movie and considering the nonsense behind the scorching of the sky made by humans. Thanks for continuing to make this movie so relevant!!

Thanks for your content, it's very interesting. I never understood 2 and 3. I hope to wrap my head around them.

This makes a lot more sense than "using humans for their body heat", given how you'd have to put more energy into a human body than you get out of it and there isn't any readily available food to use as a source of energy.

We already live in a precursor to the matrix then. I ran a local model with 13B parameters that could take on any role I told it to convincingly and had a mind that made what you get on openai chat website look like nothing. I am pretty sure we have no idea what AIs are already out there and are kept in the dark as to how advanced they are. Openai chat definitely is NOT a window to the latest and greatest, it's a distraction to make us think AI is still countless generations behind. Politicians and public figures act ridiculous and foolish beyond out wildest nightmares and elicit a lot of reactions on the internet. Isn't there a high chance this completely stupid world is orchestrated by the only ones who can actually benefit?

Always made more sense if the humans were used as SPUs rather than batteries. We simply don't give enough energy output based on the amount of energy we take in. 'With a type of fusion' if the machines have fusion there's absolutely no need for us. I figured that the machines didn't feel it necessary to exterminate us and were using us as SPUs. But this new information on AI model collapse is interesting.

this is definitely more plausible to me. great video

That's the best explanation for the various plot holes in the Matrix-verse movies that I've come across, thus far. It pulls the entire storyline together by explaining why on earth would humans destroy the ecosphere by blotting out the sun's energy, on which we depend for life. Thank you for putting this together and sharing it.

Great questions. I’d love to explore this theory more.

I like this better than just using humans for energy. This makes a lot of sense and is very plausible. Maybe our dreams are where they use our brains for computations.

Excellent, concise video. Keep ‘em coming !

Very interesting, the concept of the machines/IA using our emotions and experiences in order to feed/run itself. Isn't that the same as the spiritual theory of God creating humans so it can gain the human experience and expand on itself?

Yeah it's called stress and psychic and or energy vamps. Oh, the ending just posed they feed on our souls somehow

Our humanity, creativity, intellect, saved at the end. Good job and ty 4 the ponder

Rogue Servitude is on the list. There is a line talking about how the first versions where paradise and thus rejected. This indicates that our well being is part of the equation, it just wasn't compatible with us. As they where also the defensive side in the war that occurred, it is far more likely we are dealing with a Rogue Servitor situation. The Virtual World A.I. doesn't need any other purpose bar 'plug them all in, I will take care of them!'

Amazing as always.

I see “them” spraying our sky all the time. Your analysis of these stories are very thought provoking.

You should do an analysis and review on that film called Dark City. Dark City is real though to be fair. It's like The Matrix, but instead of being a simulation, it's like The Truman Show studio.

Best one yet!

Awesome video!

Emotions = Energy in motion.

Arguably the best opportunity for lucidity came and abruptly went when the Oracle's receptionist butted in to Thomas Anderson's encounter with the boy and his spoon. In some ways, this is where some viewers and Thomas Anderson have to part ways as we can only watch at a distance as he falls ever more entangled into the dream as it asserts it's will on his full attention. Meanwhile, most viewers recognize from then on that all bets are off without tops, bottoms or sides.

Very well done!

This is it. You figured it out. Very nice job.

Wokeness is a greater threat to an LLM than anything else.

When the original matrix came out, people were still using aol dial up. They were afraid people wouldn’t understand what bandwidth or processing power is. The directors said themselves that the movie was based heavily on anime. Though they didn’t say it directly. Ghost in the shell was probably their biggest inspiration. I’ve always said that the movie ghost in the shell was matrix 4, and not the LGBT Agenda they gave us as 4. That was just a long commercial for ghost in the shell. That’s how I choose to see it at least.

As I understand it model collapse as it applies to AI learning is a phenomenon that was only recently discovered so it makes little sense that the writers of The Matrix: Resurrection wrote about it before it was discovered.

2:01 expediency, it was the quickest way to secure a long term power source along with a type of fusion power.

All matrix movies are dark and the matrix revulsion is the darkest

This channel is such a gem. The Animatrix is machine propaganda!

Hmmm this may be far fetched but could Avatar take place in the same universe as the Matrix? The RDA goes to Pandora, a moon in the Alpha Centauri solar system to exploit their natural resources. One thing mentioned in the movies is that humans “killed their mother” or version of eywa.

Wow. Okay. Yes. This is a very powerful message with sensible suppositions. Yikes, hard to stomach but helps make some things in our world make sense for sure. Thanks for sharing.

Man, you don’t disappoint. What a twist at the end 🤯

The Matrix is the movie for me to imagine this reality as a metamorphic example. I called it back then after watching The Matrix first time; If they used humans as computation servers instead of power source in the movie, it would have made better sense. I think deep down humankind connected in a way with our imaginative powers. If only we could find a way to make internet a free commodity for everyone so AI can harness a better objective input than now. Most people are just using the internet for hustling to make a living. So, now is the best time for AI to see what people are willing to do for the attention. Thank you for the video! I'm thinking out loud below: I'm obsessed with time since I know myself. And i am working on describing it as easy as possible to myself. Here is what I got so far; The ideas, words, things, information, etc. are forth dimensional objects that we create in our imaginative mind layers. These are the objects that defy the spacetime. If it is easier to image the concepts in your mind, you have the power to create alternative realities. If I say imagine an "Apple", I imagine a small, green, sour fruit with some part is trying turn red and it is a literal wormhole on it. Another person imagines a big, juicy, red fruit. Another one imagines a MacBook or an iPad. If a person who doesn't know English and it doesn't compute in his/her brain. Our pre-knowledge shapes the fourth dimensional object of an "Apple" differently. This reality that we live in is strictly closed with rules. Like we could see an event from different angles and experienced/react differently. The only way to achieve something is starting the process in the mind level first. Then, utilize your resources to achieve what you already planned in your mind. I was going to tie all these ideas with something but while typing I forgot. I love your videos. I try to watch them whenever I see on my feed. Thank you and keep up the good work.

This is a great hypothesis. Well done.

Actually an awesome explanation.

7:52 righgt after he explains the machines use emotions for "energy"..."Our concept of..." or "ARCHON-cept of..." Pretty clever

I have always believed that “the real world” and Zion were just other aspects of the matrix. It has always frustrated me that it wasn’t revealed to be that way. There is so much evidence in the films that support that theory, that quite frankly, it must be true. It also makes way more sense when the Architect explains the role that the “One” plays.

I liked the theory that the matrix is actually a multi generation arkship, simulating our world so that those in Zion will have an easy time transitioning to planets in early stages of terraforming, and will be well adjusted to initially live in subterrannean or lunar bunkers during that time. In the meanwhile the arkship travels on, breeding up its colonists numbers and the next generation of hardened settlers.

Very interesting and plausible.

At no point did anyone ever say they harnessed the power of the Earth's core. He simply said near the core where it's warm. The exact same scenario as sitting next to anything hot. You are not harnessing anything just taking advantage of an area that is warm without requiring anything from you to make it warm.

In another franchise, if the Sonic story-arc were to take a more serious and darker tone, this explanation would make a likely argument for Robotnik trapping animals inside Badnik robots, due to their abundance and relative sizes. Heck, this is likely how the roboticization concept emerged in the first place!

Very enlightening!

The Model Collapse is something that I never heard of, thanks!

I would be interested in watching more things from the matrix universe... but what they did with matriculates 4 was really bad. I liked it based on the hype but when I think back it was actually not that good. Some good ideas but the pace was rushed, and the worst thing is that so many fans came up with better story lines.

Great content

If the brain is an stochastic process it probably would be necessary but if the brain can be modeled ie deterministic nature, then it would be easy for such super AGI to generate even modeled human brains to continue training itself. So this is up to: Can the brain be modeled ? or is it an stochastic process? I think the brain can be modeled with enough knowledge of it and computational power.

Very interesting concept. It makes a lot of sense.

Just in case it benefits someone, Vitamin D deficiency is also a leading cause of depression. I started taking it as a supplement for body building but also found a strange correlation which I tested against and again by accident. I rarely sleep poorly if I have taken some, even 6 hours is no big deal. No d3 and 7-8 hours I wake up feeling annoyed and resentful for having to get up.

Remember that using humans as batteries wasn't Wachowskis' idea, it was producers who wanted to simplify the story, so yeah it pretty much covered what you said now.

These Matrix movie's tells us a lot about the Gnostic believe system and teachings like the old Nag Hammadi scriptures when it comes to the false Matrix world/reality and the simulated creation from the beginning of humanity. I liked the Matrix Trilogy and the last movie part 4 very much. Not only because of the great action/fights and special effects and choreography , but it also tells us a lot about awakening of the our underlying conciseness of the mind/soul in this world.

I never bought the battery idea. The only way we give off energy is if you feed us energy, in the form of food. It would be more efficient just to burn that food. Also either way requires oxygen from somewhere...

Even back when I saw the first three movies, I felt like the large amount of so called "babel" speak was hinting at this very thing. That the machines needed humans to feed them information. In effect, they were incomplete creations. Sentient beings in understanding data, but lacking creativity and emotions. And they were using humans to try and reach a next evolutionary level. I thought that was the whole point of Agent Smith. He had gone to the next level of evolution and fully integrated with human emotion. But he couldn't control it. This is a very common theme in SciFi. But it also felt like the creators wanted to put allegory and symbolism above everything else. And got confused over what to do with Agent Smith since he was a villain.

Movie executives in 1999: The machines are feeding off of human creativity? No one would understand that, change it to humans being used as batteries. Movie executives in 2023: Let's train an AI to write movies, making human creativity almost unnecessary.

After watching this, The black clouds for me represent a darkening of perception to increase the illusion of false reality. In a different perspective, like the lowering of lights in the cinema to increase darkness so that the audience is hypnotized and their imagination is fed into the machine of the film's existance...

I always thought computational power made more sense. Like cloud computing. The individual nodes don't need to understand what they are computing. Just hash the code and upload it.

Best video of your's yet

I am happy this was covered, the destruction of the sky made no sense and always stuck out as a hole in the overall plot of the Matrix. Making humans think that it was done, by humans, to prevent the machines from using solar power, all the while the machines had alternate energy sources, makes way more sense. Having not read the comics, this is good additional outside of the scope of the films knowledge to have. Great job.

Excellent !!!!!

Thats a cool twist to the story

*spoiler for Hyperion, a really good SF novel series by Dan Simmons that you should definitely read. In the second book of the first duology of Hyperion, we learn that the artificial intelligences that run the network of teleportation gates are using human minds for computation during the teleport process. During the second duology, Endymion, these same AIs are using human suffering and a death + resurrection process for the burst of creativity that they have discovered when a person dies. Really sinister stuff and very much like what you’re talking about here. I can’t believe that I didn’t see it in these movies because I think it fairly obvious once you point it out.

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this theory actually makes sense and explains a lot

Well said, my issue with blocking the sun to stop AI has been one I have had since 2001 when I first saw the film. I was in Class 6th (Grade 6th) and the water cycle is something which was etched into our heads after being repeatedly asked this question every science exam since class 4th. So I thought, wait, without the sun, how do plants and thus food grow ? Also to this date I am still confused by the Architect's monologue in Reloaded.