As I typed that comment I noticed that you even hAve a works cited section. Nice

"a lot of work because you kinda have to build your muscle memory too because you don't have anything to use as a reference." That right there is the certainly the most difficult aspect of this. You never know if you've made a bad config or if you just aren't good with it yet. So it takes a good 5-10 hours of playing with a config before you can really deduce if it's your lack of muscle memory or something inherently poor with the config. As for imaginative config making, it isn't relegated just to the SC. I've tried to make a competitive FPS config for the DS4 and decided to mimic my SC config as closely as possible. But I ran into a huge issue with the gyro. On the SC I activate the gyro by touching the Right Pad but I can't do that with the Right Joystick of a DS4 -- it doesn't have cap sensing. So I needed to add a physical gyro activation button. And that started a snowball effect where I slowly had to redesign the entire config to accommodate that single binding. It's crazy how we can start with a single idea -- a single change -- and end up with a completely foreign controller concept in the end. But I think that process is integral to understanding not only what we want out of our devices but also what they are fully capable of.

I really want to get around to making a TF2 config that has some class specific Sets but I've never gotten around to it. Maybe I should start on that next week and see what I come up with.

Older games work just fine due to the higher than normal sensitivity. I played some Quake Champions with it and did pretty good. The main issue stemmed from the controller moving a bit whenever I clicked the right pad (which is shoot) so I did much worse at Instagib than with my traditional config. It would work well for a 6dof game if Valve would ever unlock the gyro to simultaneously utilize analog output across all 3 axes. As it stands now pitch is always analog but for roll and yaw you have to choose one to be analog and one to be digital. As soon as Valve lets us assign analog to all three though I'm gonna be jumping into so many 6dof games, including the original Descent titles. As for the RT (soft) being accelerate and RT (full) being afterburners, a lot of people use that same idea for Rocket League (and other racing games, I suppose) so it's definitely a well-liked idea in the community. So I see it working very well in Descent as well.

Dunno if you've been around the subreddit or Discord server lately, but a patent has been discovered for an SC with 4 rear grips (that can sense force/pressure). Fingers crossed, we might actually get a revision to the SC with this feature.

I did. But Layers, like Sets, cause a split second loss of input on Radial Menus. So I opted to use Mode Shifts whereever playable in this config since at least one radial menus is constant open.

I don't think the SC would be good for that based entirely on weight. Maybe you could go wired with a battery only in the left side to help, but I think you'll find your left hand cramping/fatigued quickly. In your case I would recommend a Logitech G13 or something similar and running the joystick through Steam Input. You'll get your analog movement but have a ton more keys accessible for your fingers and it should be more comfortable.

Thanks for the video and reply. It’s an experiment so I’ll see how my left hand copes. I can’t aim with the steam controller and end up going back to DS4 controller. If I can’t aim with a mouse then I’ll have to retire :)

@@thepeoplesclub What was the problem with the DS4? I've used it for Quake Champions before and did alright with a hastily thrown together config based on my SC config. Though the key to using both of these controllers is the gyro and I totally understand that that input isn't the most intuitive for everyone.

Critical Input I’m a lot better better aiming with DS4 than the steam controller. I’ve always been a console player and have muscle memory of gamepads. The last 12 months I’ve been playing on PC games for the first time ever due to cloud gaming. Hence I stumbled across the Steam Controller and your informative KZfaq vids. I think the aim assist I’ve always had on FPS online shooters and playing against PC players on a mouse have been a wake up call. I want to compete to a higher standard as on console I hold my own but PC I get destroyed. On my Son’s PS4 I’m still good :)

That's a fair criticism. "Maximum potential" is certainly a subjective concept and I'm using it as shorthand to convey an idea that could be misconstrued based on personal definition. As an example, my definition is actually "use every button as a binding" but something closer to "use the SC's unique features in complex fashions," hence putting tons of bindings on each pad rather than just a single concept (movement, aiming). I will say that after using gyro only, it's at least as good as pad+gyro. My only issue was shaking the gyro while pressing the fire button. I'm sure I could build a config around the idea of gyro aiming and reducing the force needed to activate bindings, though I appreciate that the end result may not be morr efficient than a traditional config. In the end, I mostly toy with these ideas as experimentations, to see how far I can push the controller in conventional situations.

@@criticalinput yeah. Using every button use every feature in as complex a manner as possible is an interesting goal, and one that can teach you a lot, but I definitely wouldn't equate it to maximum potential, at least partially because I consider the SC's ability to simplify some things to be part of its potential. All of that said, I've never really found an aiming scheme that I was entirely happy with, though part of that is definitely down to my lack of skill in fps games. A detailed look at different aiming set-ups, their prose and cons, and how they can be tweaked might be really useful and a good use for the the maximum experimentation angle you were going with. At the very least, it might be a good way to objectively compare all the different schemes, tips, and tricks that get bandied around on the subreddit.

That's a great idea and something that I might do in the future when I find I have enough styles to compare. The only problem I have is that currently there is really only one control scheme for aiming based games and it's the industry standard. Some people use a gyro only varient of it but I see that as a branch of a scheme rather than a new one. I can keep making these oddball experiemental schemes but them I'm just comparing a ton of personal anecdotes based on personal configs and I'm not sure how useful that could be. I kinda wish more people experimented or, at least, there were more accepted schemes in the community.

​@@criticalinputI hate how writing responses in the youtube comments works. Ctrl+backspace deletes everything, instead of just the last word, and pressing backspace on it's own occasionally sends you to the previous page, losing giant posts in the process. Fun! Now that I'm done griping, let’s try again. First, I think you're conflating an aiming scheme with the config as a whole a bit too much. The industry standard for aiming is just stick control or mouse control; anything beyond that isn't really standard. However, a standard or non-standard aiming scheme won't generally make the config one or the other on its own. For example, if you took a default control scheme and switched it to gyro only aiming, but left most everything else the same, I'd still call it an industry standard scheme. Conversely, if you took your experimental scheme and switched it to joystick pad aiming (somehow), I'd still view it as pretty experimental, largely because how non-standard the movement is. As for what schemes are available, it's true that most share some similarities in how they're bound and what tools they use, but they also function quite differently and that difference in functionality is important. Off the top of my head, the different major branches are Gyro Only, Pad Only, Pad and Gyro (with one usually acting as a refinement on the other), and Gyro for Fine Aim/Pad for Gross Horizontal Only (or the Splatoon setup). You could probably also count pad-as-joystick variants and a few experimental options (like using the paddles for horizontal rotation), if you wanted. There are also a few core parameters that have a major effect on any setup, like how you calibrate the config and if you use things like smoothing, acceleration, or trackball mode. The important part is that each of those branches and major parameters define how you experience aiming in any config, while other modifications (like using trigger damping to create variable sensitivities or only turning on gyro while aiming down sights) tweak the core experience. Similarly, the other components in the config tend to function alongside the aim component, without directly changing how you approach it. I think a large part of why you don’t see more experimentation in aiming schemes is that they’re one of the most complex and variable elements of a config, while also being one of the elements that’s hardest to gauge. As such, I suspect most people stick with something they stumbled into early on and focus on refining it. A detailed and objective look at these different schemes could serve to give people a better idea of what’s already out there, how it might work for them, and what effects different elements tend to have on the final results, if they want to try building something new. That, and a unified way to talk about and judge these schemes, should go a long way towards encouraging more creativity. (Or, at least, make the user experience with the current schemes better.) If you want, I could help you come up with a decent experimental procedure that’ll produce more objective results, rather than just personal anecdote. I doubt it would crown one setup the best, always and forever, but that’s not really the goal.

@@EpsilonRosePersonal I certainly see your angle on this now. I was focusing too much on the bindings themselves and not on the feel -- specifically the way that aiming feels. Coming at it from that point of view yeah, there are plenty of configs to work with and is something that I'm excited about. Especially because, as you said, it could have the effect of being a catalyst to more conversations regarding fps configs. I would also be down to collaborate on such a project, but I wouldn't be able to pick up on it until later summer/early autumn. My summer is going to be dedicated to making a Steam Input Tutorial game. I'll be announcing it tomorrow on this channel. The idea is to create a game that teaches players how to manipulate Steam Input for various situations and I'll be utilizing Nintendo's tried and true 4-Step Level Design to reinforce the lessons learned.

One handed setups are amazing and I'm glad people have the ingenuity to figure this kind of stuff out. For me though, I'll probably never touch a mouse again. Not only am I more precise with gyro aiming but mice stress my hand and wrist too much. After working with a mouse for 8 hours a day the last thing I want to game with is a mouse.

Critical Input agree to disagree i guess

Sea King has used aim assist before -- I recall him mentioning it back when he first got the SC and played Serious Sam 3 -- but that Doom video doesn't look like aim assist to me. The melee attacks certainly have a lock-on effect -- which is normal -- but the aiming and general looking around tell me that he is using the Mouse Input Style, which wouldn't have aim assist. Not only that but there isn't any indication of any of the typical aim assist technologies being used. His aim isn't slowing down next to enemies when he sweeps over them and I saw a lot of shots that barely missed enemies which tells me there isn't any bullet magnetism in place. As far as I can tell, this is no aim assist used in this specific video of his.

@@criticalinput I writed this because aim assist in Doom loks like normal human aiming.